PS4 now stands at the same level as PC, as master race

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#201 SKaREO
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Basically look at it this way. A wider audience of gamers means more game developers interested in supporting the device. Just because a PC can outperform another platform is irrelevant when it concerns the games that are not available on PC, for example: Grand Theft Auto V.

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#202 MonsieurX
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@superclocked said:

@GioVela2010: A 27" 1440p IPS monitor is only $330 at Newegg...

But it'S not a plasma

herp derp

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@Lumpy311 said:

@Netherscourge said:

The PS4 will support 4K Movies, but I don't see any game except PONG running at 4K on either the PS4 or the XB1.

Pong might overheat the PS4 tough.

apparently it will run at 4 degrees kelvin.

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#204 Lumpy311
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@SKaREO said:

Basically look at it this way. A wider audience of gamers means more game developers interested in supporting the device. Just because a PC can outperform another platform is irrelevant when it concerns the games that are not available on PC, for example: Grand Theft Auto V.

more games

better games

suck it consoles

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#205 SinjinSmythe
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X1 720p owns the PS4 1080p

...................Might want to reconsider your thread title.

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#206  Edited By lundy86_4
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@SKaREO said:

Basically look at it this way. A wider audience of gamers means more game developers interested in supporting the device. Just because a PC can outperform another platform is irrelevant when it concerns the games that are not available on PC, for example: Grand Theft Auto V.

Please provide a concise argument, with suitable sources.

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#207 Snugenz
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@SKaREO said:

@Snugenz said:

@SKaREO said:

COD Ghosts on PS4 is planned for 1080p @ 60fps.BF4 is just an unoptimized pile of shit.

BF4 is a very well optimized game actually, the PS4 just isn't that powerful.

Better go read the PC board because there's already peolpe complaining that it's worse framerates on release than in the beta. Nice try, though.

I was in the beta, i had some minor framerate issues in it that are entirely cleared up in the final game.

Very well optimized game.

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@SinjinSmythe said:

X1 720p owns the PS4 1080p

...................Might want to reconsider your thread title.

There's nothing to brag about with crushed blacks. That's not acceptable.

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#209  Edited By superclocked
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@ChubbyGuy40: DF said that it was just the capture settings. The XB1 actually has a nice scalar chip. I just wish that it had a nice GPU...

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#210 clr84651
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PS4 is Master Console. It's clearly ahead of X1 & Wii U.

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#211 Fizzman
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@glez13: Sorry, but the glorious master race does not settle. 1080p resolution is not special when you consider it's almost 2014.

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#212  Edited By glez13
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@Fizzman said:

@glez13: Sorry, but the glorious master race does not settle. 1080p resolution is not special when you consider it's almost 2014.

It's by far the most popular resolution for PC gamers even in multi-monitor setups. Unless you want to consider 786p?

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@SinjinSmythe said:

X1 720p owns the PS4 1080p

...................Might want to reconsider your thread title.

Those screenshots look awful

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#214  Edited By navyguy21
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This is beyond delusional.

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#215  Edited By TorqueHappens08
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Lol, no, PS4 is yea, Quite alot more powerful then Xbox and has proven it's self, but PS4 vs PC, Night and day, They can not be compared.

PC: Gods of the kingdom

PS4: servants of the Gods of the kingdom

Xbox one: Cabin boys of the servants of the Gods of the Kingdom

Wii U: village idiot.

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#216  Edited By Gue1
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let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5? Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

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@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5?Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

pretty much all of this is wrong

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#218 GodspellWH
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@Gue1: ah ok buddy non of what you said makes the ps4 more powerful than PC

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#219 TorqueHappens08
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Lets just leave it at this.

PC: Master Race

PS4: Master Console Race.

There.

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#220  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@lostrib said:

@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5?Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

pretty much all of this is wrong

yep, And lol on APU with 8gb GDDR5, its sporting a 8 low end low clock cores from AMD, also note that only 6 cores will be used for gaming meaning even a lower ability to process data for games. Next the PS4 can not use all dat memory for gaming only 4.5-5.5 gb which that even has to be split up between game cache and VRAM. Also the PS4 having GDDR5 does nothing special over a Pc with DDR3 and GDDR5. Also low end API is a joke since pc's are using direct x 11 let alone has Mantle with is Low level API, its not current gen forcing pc's to use direct x 9.

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#221  Edited By Gue1
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@04dcarraher said:

@lostrib said:

@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5?Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

pretty much all of this is wrong

yep, And lol on APU with 8gb GDDR5, its sporting a 8 low end low clock cores from AMD, also note that only 6 cores will be used for gaming meaning even a lower ability to process data for games. Next the PS4 can not use all dat memory for gaming only 4.5-5.5 gb which that even has to be split up between game cache and VRAM. Also the PS4 having GDDR5 does nothing special over a Pc with DDR3 and GDDR5. Also low end API is a joke since pc's are using direct x 11 let alone has Mantle with is Low level API, its not current gen forcing pc's to use direct x 9.

PS4 > PC because tech is not all about raw power but about what devs do with it. And you and me both know that Naughty Dogs will make all the herms sh*t bricks with the PS4's perfectly balanced blend of state of the art hardware.

PS4 = limitless potential, stay jelly herm.

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#222  Edited By AmazonTreeBoa
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@-Damien- said:

Since PS4 is the only console game that can achieve 1080P constantly, it's pretty much the same level as PC, as the master race, looking down on gaming peasants like Xbone and Wii U

PC is well beyond 1080p. Welcome to 2013.

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#223 lundy86_4
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Gue being a dumndumb.

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#224  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@Gue1 said:

@04dcarraher said:

@lostrib said:

@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5?Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

pretty much all of this is wrong

yep, And lol on APU with 8gb GDDR5, its sporting a 8 low end low clock cores from AMD, also note that only 6 cores will be used for gaming meaning even a lower ability to process data for games. Next the PS4 can not use all dat memory for gaming only 4.5-5.5 gb which that even has to be split up between game cache and VRAM. Also the PS4 having GDDR5 does nothing special over a Pc with DDR3 and GDDR5. Also low end API is a joke since pc's are using direct x 11 let alone has Mantle with is Low level API, its not current gen forcing pc's to use direct x 9.

PS4 > PC because tech is not all about raw power but about what devs do with it. And you and me both know that Naughty Dogs will make all the herms sh*t bricks with the PS4's perfectly balanced blend of state of the art hardware.

PS4 = limitless potential, stay jelly herm.

Delusional with a hint of denial detected

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@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5? Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

nvidia maxwell says hi.

alleged specs

NVIDIA Maxwell GM100:

8 GPCs/24 SMX/6144 Cuda Cores/384 TMU/64 ROPs/512-bit upto 8 GB GDDR5

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#226  Edited By SirCantelope
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Cows so desperate to be hermits it's almost sad.

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#227  Edited By Jankarcop
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@glez13 said:

@Lucianu said:
@GioVela2010 said:

ITT hermits forget that 60% of Hermnerds use monitors with resolutions below 1080p

@GioVela2010 said:

@Lumpy311:

900p is a higher resolution than most hermkids monitors.

Get on Cows level Hermkids

Proof. You provide none.

Steam Hardware Survey. The most popular is 1080p but it's only like 30%. Second is 768p at around 20%. Only like 4% have higher than 1080p.

anyone who uses steam =/= "hermnerd"

I'm sure by "hermnerd" he means hardcore pc gamer, who likely do 1080p or above.


Either way, PC has better gfx than PS4, just like it had better gfx than ps1/2/3 for almost all of those gens. Defending Gio's off-topic bait does not change those facts. When we talk about PC we aren't taling about grandma's e-machines. This is SW, we talk about gaming PC.

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@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5? Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

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@lundy86_4 said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@Lumpy311:

900p is a higher resolution than most hermkids monitors.

Get on Cows level Hermkids

Any figures for those with 1080 TV sets?

No?

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#230  Edited By Jankarcop
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I'm sure one gen a console will be better than PC, wait no..no it wont lol

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#231  Edited By Zaraxius
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@clyde46 said:

@GioVela2010 said:

ITT hermits forget that 60% of Hermnerds use monitors with resolutions below 1080p

Mine is 1080p.

Unless you're 100% of the "hermit" population, you're missing the point.

I understand there's not a giant green arrow overlaid with a hint box that spells everything out for you as it's done in nearly every PC game though, so I can understand how using basic thinking applications may be difficult for you.

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@zaraxius said:

@clyde46 said:

@GioVela2010 said:

ITT hermits forget that 60% of Hermnerds use monitors with resolutions below 1080p

Mine is 1080p.

Unless you're 100% of the "hermit" population, you're missing the point.

I understand there's not a giant green arrow overlaid with a hint box that spells everything out for you as it's done in nearly every PC game though, so I can understand how using basic thinking applications may be difficult for you.

And hermit = anyone who logs onto steam?

PC won every gen at SW so far for a reason.

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@04dcarraher said:

@Gue1 said:

@04dcarraher said:

@lostrib said:

@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5?Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.

pretty much all of this is wrong

yep, And lol on APU with 8gb GDDR5, its sporting a 8 low end low clock cores from AMD, also note that only 6 cores will be used for gaming meaning even a lower ability to process data for games. Next the PS4 can not use all dat memory for gaming only 4.5-5.5 gb which that even has to be split up between game cache and VRAM. Also the PS4 having GDDR5 does nothing special over a Pc with DDR3 and GDDR5. Also low end API is a joke since pc's are using direct x 11 let alone has Mantle with is Low level API, its not current gen forcing pc's to use direct x 9.

PS4 > PC because tech is not all about raw power but about what devs do with it. And you and me both know that Naughty Dogs will make all the herms sh*t bricks with the PS4's perfectly balanced blend of state of the art hardware.

PS4 = limitless potential, stay jelly herm.

Delusional with a hint of denial detected

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#234  Edited By Heil68
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I may have to retire from PC gaming since the PS4 is so powerful.

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#236  Edited By clyde46
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@zaraxius:

Why should I care what Joe Shumck is running? I bet there are tons of people still running SDTVs or early model HDTVs that don't support 1080p.

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#237  Edited By ronvalencia
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@SKaREO said:

@Snugenz said:

@SKaREO said:

COD Ghosts on PS4 is planned for 1080p @ 60fps.BF4 is just an unoptimized pile of shit.

BF4 is a very well optimized game actually, the PS4 just isn't that powerful.

Better go read the PC board because there's already peolpe complaining that it's worse framerates on release than in the beta. Nice try, though.

I'll wait for AMD Mantle update. More info from AMD's HSA summit 2013.

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#238 ronvalencia
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@Netherscourge said:

I'm not going to compare the PS4 to the PC. The PC will always be ahead because new GPUs come out every 6 months.

However, the PS4 is a very impressive and affordable console.

I support BOTH PC gaming for better-looking XB1 ports and the PS4 for great exclusives!

About every 2 years e.g. original 7970 to R9-290X.

Titan is just existing GK110 from Tesla K20/K20X.

Both NVIDIA and AMD practises model renaming.

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#240  Edited By buccomatic
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console peasant - "oohhh! please let me into pc master race club now that my CRAPPYLAST GEN7870 ps4/xbox GPU can run some games with low detail at 60 fps while most remain at 720p and 30fps. i know, i know. it's old low end tech. but to me it seems like it's new, or high end, because i've never really experience high end gaming before. as a matter of fact, i've never even seen 60 fps until i saw that new gamespot video player running a game at 60 fps. oh my! what have i been missing?!

yes i understand my lest gen garbage tech console has no kb/m support and i'm stuck with a d-pad controller design from 1995, and i also understand you do pc gaming on your tv with a controller while sitting on a comfy sofa if you really want to. but, but, but... um... the consoles games are really kewl cuz u can play a low rez crappy version of the same pc game at 900p 30-60 fps. weeee! have we qualified yet?? DERP!"

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#241 Multipass35
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@-Damien-: that's funny, because the Xbox One currently holds the crown for best console graphics at both E3 and GameCon for its display of Forza 5 and Ryse.

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#242 -Damien-
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@SinjinSmythe said:

X1 720p owns the PS4 1080p

...................Might want to reconsider your thread title.

you may want to look up 'crushed black definition, because that's what Xbone one version is. If you notice the PS4 version is closer to the PC version, the definitive version.

That's what separates, the master race (PC & PS4) from the peasant version (Xbone)

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#245 GhoX
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I was going to post some pictures about resolution, then I realised that what I plan to write will be too astronomical and numbers will do just fine.

DescriptionResolutionPixel Count% of 1080p
What most console games run at1280x7200.92m44%
What PS4 achieved for some games1920x10802.07m100%
What gaming PCs easily capable of2540x14403.69m178%
4K resolution available on PC3840x21608.29m400%
Six 4K monitors setup11520x432049.77m2400%
Crazy scientist 64 4K monitors setup23040x10800248.83m12000%

If anyone is curious, 64 monitors is indeed possible: http://www.cinemassive.com/products/video-wall/lcd-video-wall/

Don't compare PS4's measly street fighter skill to Dragon Ball Z power level.

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#246  Edited By -Damien-
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@GhoX said:

I was going to post some pictures about resolution, then I realised that what I plan to write will be too astronomical and numbers will do just fine.

DescriptionResolutionPixel Count% of 1080p
What most console games run at1280x7200.92m44%
What PS4 achieved in most games1920x10802.07m100%
What gaming PCs easily capable of2540x14403.69m178%
4K resolution available on PC3840x21608.29m400%
Six 4K monitors setup11520x432049.77m2400%
Crazy scientist 64 4K monitors setup23040x10800248.83m12000%

If anyone is curious, 64 monitors is indeed possible: http://www.cinemassive.com/products/video-wall/lcd-video-wall/

Don't compare PS4's measly street fighter skill to Dragon Ball Z power level.

fixed that for you, currently only 2 PS4 games known not in 1080P, BF4 and The Order (by choice), the rest are 1080P

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#247 GhoX
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Right, and I'll be gaming at 4 times that resolution. Your point? 1080p was the norm on PC many many years ago. Is XboxTwo going to claim ownage once that achieves 1080p too?

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#248 -Damien-
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@GhoX said:

Right, and I'll be gaming at 4 times that resolution. Your point? 1080p was the norm on PC many many years ago. Is XboxTwo going to claim ownage once that achieves 1080p too?

never said anything about consoles owning PC, it's just PS4 now is the new master race member

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#249  Edited By HavocV3
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@-Damien- said:

@GhoX said:

Right, and I'll be gaming at 4 times that resolution. Your point? 1080p was the norm on PC many many years ago. Is XboxTwo going to claim ownage once that achieves 1080p too?

never said anything about consoles owning PC, it's just PS4 now is the new master race member

Xbox 360/PS3 were actually up there with some of the best PCs when they released. PS4/Xbone are no where close.

Better luck next gen. It's only 8 years away. Only.

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#250 MK-Professor
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@Gue1 said:

let's be honest here, the PS4 is beyond PC. When was the last time you've seen a PC with 8GB's of GDDR5? Or such a powerful APU? An 8 cores CPU and an 18 CUs GPU on the same die with unified memory architecture with 8GB's of GDDR5.

And this is without mentioning the low level API advantage, closed platform and the many refinements that Sony did to the hardware for everything to work in harmony by minimizing the bottlenecks. By the time Naughty Dogs release their first game on PS4 the herms will sh*t bricks. It's not because their rigs aren't powerful enough to match the infinite potential of the PS4 but because they have PC's with 100 Tflops of performance and all they have to play are crappy RTS and League of Legends! Games that even a PS2 could run without breaking a sweat.