PSN gets hacked and the world crumbles. Steam gets hacked and...

It gets brushed aside like nothing ever happened? Considering the fact the PS3 is still getting razzed for being hacked I am a little upset here. I was expecting to see about 50 troll threads here and hermits being on a huge defensive campaign.

You let me down SW.

That's because Sony was being Sony about it.

It's because the sony breach did more damage to sony and the customers confidence compared to what is hapening to value's steam right now.

It gets brushed aside like nothing ever happened? Considering the fact the PS3 is still getting razzed for being hacked I am a little upset here. I was expecting to see about 50 troll threads here and hermits being on a huge defensive campaign.

You let me down SW.

F1ame_Shie1d

And most of all Valve did resposible thing and let users known immiedietaly, Sony lied for a week, exposing it's users to huge danger.

If you can't see the huge difference between those situations then I'm really let down by your lack of competence.

i cannot wait till xbox 720P [lolol get it?] get's an rrod so all system order will be restored

Steam isn't offline.ActionRemix

Sony took PSN offline to stop the hackers from being able to obtain more information than what they already had. It wasn't a result of a hack. Steam not going offline means they've either already contained it, or they don't care enough to do so.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Steam isn't offline.Pug-Nasty

Sony took PSN offline to stop the hackers from being able to obtain more information than what they already had. It wasn't a result of a hack. Steam not going offline means they've either already contained it, or they don't care enough to do so.

The hackers didn't take PSN down, Sony did to prevent further damage.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Steam isn't offline.AcidSoldner

Sony took PSN offline to stop the hackers from being able to obtain more information than what they already had. It wasn't a result of a hack. Steam not going offline means they've either already contained it, or they don't care enough to do so.

The hackers didn't take PSN down, Sony did to prevent further damage.

Yeah, and the thing is, it doesn't really make sense. Why would a hacker, who only has any power over things he can manipulate through the internet, want to take something he hates offline?

Lies, and it was offline.

I dont play myPS3 as much as my xbox, but I can imagine how frustrating it must have been for people not to be able to play online with their friends. Cant complain too much though if you get it for free. Ide be mega peeved if it was for xbox live - as cheap as it is a month, most of the money subscribers pay go towards maintance/improvements and security.

It gets brushed aside like nothing ever happened? Considering the fact the PS3 is still getting razzed for being hacked I am a little upset here. I was expecting to see about 50 troll threads here and hermits being on a huge defensive campaign.

You let me down SW.

F1ame_Shie1d

All I saw in the picture was hashed and salted. Lulz

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]

It gets brushed aside like nothing ever happened? Considering the fact the PS3 is still getting razzed for being hacked I am a little upset here. I was expecting to see about 50 troll threads here and hermits being on a huge defensive campaign.

You let me down SW.

AdrianWerner

And most of all Valve did resposible thing and let users known immiedietaly, Sony lied for a week, exposing it's users to huge danger.

If you can't see the huge difference between those situations then I'm really let down by your lack of competence.

The breach ocurred on the 6th, and they let everyone know about it yesterday, the 10th. 5 days later isn't exactly "immediately".

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Steam isn't offline.Pug-Nasty

Sony took PSN offline to stop the hackers from being able to obtain more information than what they already had. It wasn't a result of a hack. Steam not going offline means they've either already contained it, or they don't care enough to do so.

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]

It gets brushed aside like nothing ever happened? Considering the fact the PS3 is still getting razzed for being hacked I am a little upset here. I was expecting to see about 50 troll threads here and hermits being on a huge defensive campaign.

You let me down SW.

AdrianWerner

And most of all Valve did resposible thing and let users known immiedietaly, Sony lied for a week, exposing it's users to huge danger.

If you can't see the huge difference between those situations then I'm really let down by your lack of competence.

Because it took Sony three weeks to close thenetwork and fix the problem. Valve got it fixed in a couple of days without ever taking down more than the forums.

As I said here:http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28934163/steam-hacked?msg_id=333825090#333825090

1. Sony used outdated software that was easy to hack, I doubt Valve had the same problem

2. Sony knew that we got the master key in january and they still didn't care that all their security was on consoles

3. Sony screwed us by excluding functions like Linux

4. Sony sued small guys that just wanted to bring back what Sony took from them

5. Sony lied to us and tried to cover it up, we didn't get information for a long time

6. The PSN was down for a long time because they had no clue what they were doing

Valve on the other hand was always nice, the DRM was rather easy, they gave us fantastic sales and they have fantastic support. No need to hate Valve at all

It's because the sony breach did more damage to sony and the customers confidence compared to what is hapening to value's steam right now.

super600

Yeah it did so much damage that the PS3 is best selling console this years,even after the hack world wide,outselling both the wii and 360.

As I said here:http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28934163/steam-hacked?msg_id=333825090#333825090

1. Sony used outdated software that was easy to hack, I doubt Valve had the same problem

2. Sony knew that we got the master key in january and they still didn't care that all their security was on consoles

3. Sony screwed us by excluding functions like Linux

4. Sony sued small guys that just wanted to bring back what Sony took from them

5. Sony lied to us and tried to cover it up, we didn't get information for a long time

6. The PSN was down for a long time because they had no clue what they were doing

Valve on the other hand was always nice, the DRM was rather easy, they gave us fantastic sales and they have fantastic support. No need to hate Valve at all

ArchoNils2

1-That software has been in use since 2006,but the PS3 wasn't hack until 2011 because the console was hack thanks to the nerd who hack the iphone,if he had not do this the hack woudl have never happen.

2-Yeah sony did not care for anything.

3-Linux remuval doesn't justify the hack,hackers had been trying to hack the PS3 since launch,they just could not.

4-Sony sued a pirated,whoc break the console security,using as justification using Linux as he wanted on his PS3,funny that hackers alwasy use this pathetic excuse to jutify hacking something,lets hack the PS3 to run linux to be able to do a quart of the things we can do on linux already on PC,linux excuse is just silly,the PS3 was basically a 256 MB PC that ran linux like crap.

5-It took them a week which i think is to much,but they were actually investigating how big the breach was.

6-PSN was down 25 days,PSN was shutdown to investigate,sony closed PSN it wasn't the hackers,and in 25 days it was up,is a free service which cost nothing,and they gave me 2 free games,and a month of PSN which allowed me to play several other games free as well.

[QUOTE="ArchoNils2"]

As I said here:http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28934163/steam-hacked?msg_id=333825090#333825090

1. Sony used outdated software that was easy to hack, I doubt Valve had the same problem

2. Sony knew that we got the master key in january and they still didn't care that all their security was on consoles

3. Sony screwed us by excluding functions like Linux

4. Sony sued small guys that just wanted to bring back what Sony took from them

5. Sony lied to us and tried to cover it up, we didn't get information for a long time

6. The PSN was down for a long time because they had no clue what they were doing

Valve on the other hand was always nice, the DRM was rather easy, they gave us fantastic sales and they have fantastic support. No need to hate Valve at all

tormentos

1-That software has been in use since 2006,but the PS3 wasn't hack until 2011 because the console was hack thanks to the nerd who hack the iphone,if he had not do this the hack woudl have never happen.

2-Yeah sony did not care for anything.

3-Linux remuval doesn't justify the hack,hackers had been trying to hack the PS3 since launch,they just could not.

4-Sony sued a pirated,whoc break the console security,using as justification using Linux as he wanted on his PS3,funny that hackers alwasy use this pathetic excuse to jutify hacking something,lets hack the PS3 to run linux to be able to do a quart of the things we can do on linux already on PC,linux excuse is just silly,the PS3 was basically a 256 MB PC that ran linux like crap.

5-It took them a week which i think is to much,but they were actually investigating how big the breach was.

6-PSN was down 25 days,PSN was shutdown to investigate,sony closed PSN it wasn't the hackers,and in 25 days it was up,is a free service which cost nothing,and they gave me 2 free games,and a month of PSN which allowed me to play several other games free as well.

1. I'm talking about the server software, it has been known Sony uses outdated apache webservers that can easly be hacked using known exploids. All the "hackers" needed to do was googeling for 3 minutes to get into their network

2. Yeah, they should have updated their software, no excuse for that. I'm running a webserver with a community site on it. It's not that big but I'm updating my software weekly. So I'm doing a better job than Sony

3. Not really true, a lot were happy to have the linux option. Sure there were a few that tried it before, but the hackers rage came after Sony for removing other OS

4. Well, we could debat about this. In the end we bought the hardware and a license to use their OS, I have no idea about the US law but here in Switzerland I'm allowed to do with my property what I want. Sony went extremly over the top

5. Well, nothing to say, it's to long, we agree ^^

6. It was part of the system I bought, it's inacceptable to be down so long. I never really got free stuff because I owned everything already, don't really care for a month free PSN+ because I had a year anyway. Free PSN+ was just an add for their paid service anyway

Steamgaurd bro, our **** encrypted. LOL at your fail face.

1. I'm talking about the server software, it has been known Sony uses outdated apache webservers that can easly be hacked using known exploids. All the "hackers" needed to do was googeling for 3 minutes to get into their network

2. Yeah, they should have updated their software, no excuse for that. I'm running a webserver with a community site on it. It's not that big but I'm updating my software weekly. So I'm doing a better job than Sony

3. Not really true, a lot were happy to have the linux option. Sure there were a few that tried it before, but the hackers rage came after Sony for removing other OS

4. Well, we could debat about this. In the end we bought the hardware and a license to use their OS, I have no idea about the US law but here in Switzerland I'm allowed to do with my property what I want. Sony went extremly over the top

5. Well, nothing to say, it's to long, we agree ^^

6. It was part of the system I bought, it's inacceptable to be down so long. I never really got free stuff because I owned everything already, don't really care for a month free PSN+ because I had a year anyway. Free PSN+ was just an add for their paid service anyway

ArchoNils2

1-Again since 2006 up it was the fact that PS3 could sign in as developer consoles after the hack what screwed everything,not the so call outdated software,the PentagonLuckheed Matrin, don't run out dated software basically that is nationa security here in US and they were hack,nothing is hack proof.

2-The security wasn't problem.

3-Linux ran like crap on PS3 it was half acept,and was bascially a trick sony pull to get a discount on EU market,because PC manufacturers get a discount from the goverment.

4-In your country you can on US some types of modification are ilegal.

6-You bough the system but in what part sony say PSN would never ever be down for any reason.? You did not some how,i did and even if you had PSN+ already for a year you would still get your free month.

The greatest add ever i did not pay anything and play several games complete for free which would have cost me money either way.

Plain Text and 256-AES encryption. There's a difference.TehSonofUgly

As I said here:http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28934163/steam-hacked?msg_id=333825090#333825090

1. Sony used outdated software that was easy to hack, I doubt Valve had the same problem

2. Sony knew that we got the master key in january and they still didn't care that all their security was on consoles

3. Sony screwed us by excluding functions like Linux

4. Sony sued small guys that just wanted to bring back what Sony took from them

5. Sony lied to us and tried to cover it up, we didn't get information for a long time

6. The PSN was down for a long time because they had no clue what they were doing

Valve on the other hand was always nice, the DRM was rather easy, they gave us fantastic sales and they have fantastic support. No need to hate Valve at all

ArchoNils2

[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]Plain Text and 256-AES encryption. There's a difference.lhughey

The Pengatagong,Luckheed Martin,Google and many other had weak security.?

Steam isn't offline.ActionRemix

^ this

and no matter what PC gamers will continue to play games online, on the other hand ps3 gamers couldn't go online to play multiplier for nearly a month.

Sony lied about it and tried to cover it up. Only when they were caught did they apologize. I have yet to see Valve hit all those points yet so its justified.

Steam already had a lot of protections in place to guard us if our details got out.

I never thought the PSN thing was a big deal. I just don't think Sony handled it well. Valve seems to be handling it pretty well.

This thread is amusing.

Sony waited 6 days to investigate before full disclosure.

Valve waited 4 days to investigate before full disclosure.

Sony disclosed that their was an intrusion into their system, during which personal information was exposed, including your name, address, hashed password. CC numbers were encrypted and stored in a seperate location. There was no evidence these were accessed, but they couldn't rule it out.

Valve disclosed their was an intrusion into their systems, during which personal information was exposed, including your name, address, and hashed password. CC numbers were encrypted, and they don't think they were accessed, but they can't rule it out.

Yet these scenarios are completely different. Sony lied and covered things up till they got caught. Valve was immediately open and forthcoming with info (apparently 2 days is the difference between disclosing immediately, and holding back info). Sony getting hacked was Sony's fault, for having no security. Valve getting hacked was the hacker's fault. Why would anyone hack Valve? Sony getting hacked, with 77 million PSN accounts, meant 77 million people's credit card numbers were stolen, despite the fact that there were only 10 million or something credit card numbers stored (which, again, were encrypted, and they had no evidence they were accessed, and there was no CVV info stored). Valve is a non-issue, because there's no evidence the credit card tables were accessed, and even if they were, they're encrypted (we have no idea how many cc numbers were stored, yet, but it's probably waaaay more than on PSN).

For the record, I don't think the Valve thing is a big deal. Stuff gets hacked. Looks like Valve is taking care of it, no reason to hate them for it, blame the hackers, and so on... I think the reaction I've seen so far is about right... and is the same reaction that the PSN hack should have had. The part I find amusing is people trying to act like the situations are so different to justify the Sony hate.

As many people said here, Sony waited a week.

Maybe you like being Bs'ed and kept in the dark, but most people don't and all of the bowing in the world isn't going to change that.

As far as hacked websites go, this is pretty standard stuff and it isn't the first time Valve has been compromised. The big difference here is how long before they got it under control.

How long was Sony's entire worldwide corporate internet presence in complete disarray? 3 weeks? For a company of Sony's size that is completely unacceptable.

Wasn't PSN going offline a GOOD thing?

As many people said here, Sony waited a week.

Maybe you like being Bs'ed and kept in the dark, but most people don't and all of the bowing in the world isn't going to change that.

As far as hacked websites go, this is pretty standard stuff and it isn't the first time Valve has been compromised. The big difference here is how long before they got it under control.

How long was Sony's entire worldwide corporate internet presence in complete disarray? 3 weeks? For a company of Sony's size that is completely unacceptable.

heretrix

It's not really getting swept aside. People just don't really have a major issue with it.

All the important info was encrypted, and Valve made people aware as soon as possible.

And how long did Sony take to admit anything was wrong? A lot longer than Valve. Valve is handling the situation way better than Sony did with PSN. Valve isn't keeping their users in the dark. Sony did.

And how long did Sony take to admit anything was wrong? A lot longer than Valve. Valve is handling the situation way better than Sony did with PSN. Valve isn't keeping their users in the dark. Sony did.

Merex760

How long they waited isn't important.

Sony stored the passwords and billing information in plain text.

Valve hashed the passwords and used a 256-AES encryption on the credit card numbers.