PSN gets hacked and the world crumbles. Steam gets hacked and...

How long they waited isn't important.

Sony stored the passwords and billing information in plain text.

Valve hashed the passwords and used a 256-AES encryption on the credit card numbers.

MajorGamer531

Two reasons: Sony took over a week or so to let people know their data may have been compromised.....Steam told customers to change their passwords ASAP.

Sony's data wasn't protected or even encrypted....Steam encrypted the credit card and personal data.

That's why one hack was a huge deal and one isn't.

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

How long they waited isn't important.

Sony stored the passwords and billing information in plain text.

Valve hashed the passwords and used a 256-AES encryption on the credit card numbers.

Chris_Williams

Yes they were. They hashed them after the fact to cover their ...rear... legally. If the passwords and billing information were properly protected they would not have paniced and shut down PSN for so long.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

How long they waited isn't important.

Sony stored the passwords and billing information in plain text.

Valve hashed the passwords and used a 256-AES encryption on the credit card numbers.

MajorGamer531

Yes they were. They hashed them after the fact to cover their ...rear... legally. If the passwords and billing information were properly protected they would not have paniced and shut down PSN for so long.

theres many factors. for one valve/steam let us know early on what was going on. second, so far no CC info has been compromised but they at least say to keep a watch on your cards as their can always be a risk. it took sony quite awhile to warn us about CC info. third, steam hasnt gone down or anything unlike psn which saw an outage of nearly 2 months i believe it was. steam has been running all along with alot of users still not even aware as it has not hampered their gaming in the slightest!

the difference is i don't use steam and don't care what happens to it but psn was down for almost a month and affected me.

whats the fallout for a steam faliure? i don't get to play that free copy of portal i dl'd off there a month ago and have never even played yet?

nope that's not the difference, must be the international conspiracy against sony that wants to unfairly use all the things that sony has screwed up as proof that they have screwed up.

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] they didn't store them in plain texts, they were also hashedJohnF111

Yes they were. They hashed them after the fact to cover their ...rear... legally. If the passwords and billing information were properly protected they would not have paniced and shut down PSN for so long.

My bad for not taking Sony's word for it. *rolls eyes*

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

Yes they were. They hashed them after the fact to cover their ...rear... legally. If the passwords and billing information were properly protected they would not have paniced and shut down PSN for so long.

MajorGamer531

My bad for not taking Sony's word for it. *rolls eyes*

Also your claims should be backed up, so where's the links to "Sony stored passwords in plain text". Not "Passwords weren't encrypted" because we all know they weren't, they were hashed instead.

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony-Stresses-PSN-Passwords-Were-Hashed-198218.shtml Try harder.....JohnF111

My bad for not taking Sony's word for it. *rolls eyes*

Lol, or instead of just listening to what people say, pay attention to what they do.

Edit: To your edit:

Articles:

http://www.techairlines.com/2011/06/02/sony-hacked-plaintext-data/

http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/sony/sony-hacked-again-over-1-million-passwords-compromised/

IRC dump of hacker conversation:

http://pastie.org/private/erihhjd2ccvj0lkmzbtuw

-"wow, plaintext"

But once again, pay attention to what they do, not what's said. They shut down their entire network. I don't see Valve rushing to kick the plug.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

My bad for not taking Sony's word for it. *rolls eyes*

MajorGamer531

Lol, or instead of just listening to what people say, pay attention to what they do.

Two reasons: Sony took over a week or so to let people know their data may have been compromised.....Steam told customers to change their passwords ASAP.

Sony's data wasn't protected or even encrypted....Steam encrypted the credit card and personal data.

That's why one hack was a huge deal and one isn't.

KC_Hokie

Both had hashed passwords, encrypted CC numbers.

Plain Text and 256-AES encryption. There's a difference.TehSonofUgly

theres many factors. for one valve/steam let us know early on what was going on. second, so far no CC info has been compromised but they at least say to keep a watch on your cards as their can always be a risk. it took sony quite awhile to warn us about CC info. third, steam hasnt gone down or anything unlike psn which saw an outage of nearly 2 months i believe it was. steam has been running all along with alot of users still not even aware as it has not hampered their gaming in the slightest!

Rage010101

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

And how long did Sony take to admit anything was wrong? A lot longer than Valve. Valve is handling the situation way better than Sony did with PSN. Valve isn't keeping their users in the dark. Sony did.

Chris_Williams

I don't know all the details, but I wouldn't be surprised. Valve seem to get a free pass on this board.

The most noticeable being the ridiculous amount of praise Steam gets compared to other DD services. Some of it's deserve, but something just leave me scratching my head.

I heard the steam hack only affected forum members though, so its probably not nearly as bad. I mean, it would affect like a fraction of total forum users, and even then Steam didn't shut down. Its still working great.

If Steam shut down like PSN did, trust me when I say the reverbrations would be HUGE. Its not like PSN where only online play is lost, if Steam shuts down ALL steam and Valve games cannot be played during that time period. It would be a disaster, riots would start and hermits would be the butt of every troll joke on SW.

oh and btw alot of steam users actually knew about the hack the exact day it happened. i changed my password on the 7th the day of the hack and informed almost everyone on my list, many which already also knew. this is just one of the many indications and early warnings we had. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bh1oQVlq_o&feature=channel_video_title

I don't know all the details, but I wouldn't be surprised. Valve seem to get a free pass on this board.

The most noticeable being the ridiculous amount of praise Steam gets compared to other DD services. Some of it's deserve, but something just leave me scratching my head.

Kickinurass

like you said you dont know the details and thats why u have no idea why steam is getting a free pass on this one. how about you do some research or a little bit of reading.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

I don't know all the details, but I wouldn't be surprised. Valve seem to get a free pass on this board.

The most noticeable being the ridiculous amount of praise Steam gets compared to other DD services. Some of it's deserve, but something just leave me scratching my head.

Rage010101

like you said you dont know the details and thats why u have no idea why steam is getting a free pass on this one. how about you do some research or a little bit of reading.

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

I don't know all the details, but I wouldn't be surprised. Valve seem to get a free pass on this board.

The most noticeable being the ridiculous amount of praise Steam gets compared to other DD services. Some of it's deserve, but something just leave me scratching my head.

JohnF111

like you said you dont know the details and thats why u have no idea why steam is getting a free pass on this one. how about you do some research or a little bit of reading.

not being aggressive at all, just calling him out on him contradicting himself. says he doesnt know why steam gets praised yet says "i dont know all the details". who doesnt praise a DD service who gives us dailys sales, midweek sales, weekend sales, and holiday sales constantly throughout the year and every year. valve is also the company who started to and to this day embraces and supports the modding community more than anyone else. they also give free games every now and then. seriously, the answer is easy! so ya, pretty much why i called him out on it.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

I don't know all the details, but I wouldn't be surprised. Valve seem to get a free pass on this board.

The most noticeable being the ridiculous amount of praise Steam gets compared to other DD services. Some of it's deserve, but something just leave me scratching my head.

Rage010101

like you said you dont know the details and thats why u have no idea why steam is getting a free pass on this one. how about you do some research or a little bit of reading.

Same reason I didn't follow the Sony hack - I don't care enough to. I don't think it's that big of an issue. But anyway, I was merely saying there seems to be a trend on this board wherein some developers get alot of slack.

Maybe instead of telling me to go read, you should realize that I my statement is perfectly justified the way it is. "I wouldn't be surprised..." implies that whether or not Valve is getting as much hate as they should, I consider it a distinct possibility that Valve maybe be getting preferential treatment as per usual. In other words, the exact details of this incursion don't really change the gist of my statement.

It's just the forums...

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

like you said you dont know the details and thats why u have no idea why steam is getting a free pass on this one. how about you do some research or a little bit of reading.

Rage010101

not being aggressive at all, just calling him out on him contradicting himself. says he doesnt know why steam gets praised yet says "i dont know all the details". who doesnt praise a DD service who gives us dailys sales, midweek sales, weekend sales, and holiday sales constantly throughout the year and every year. valve is also the company who started to and to this day embraces and supports the modding community more than anyone else. they also give free games every now and then. seriously, the answer is easy! so ya, pretty much why i called him out on it.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

like you said you dont know the details and thats why u have no idea why steam is getting a free pass on this one. how about you do some research or a little bit of reading.

Rage010101

not being aggressive at all, just calling him out on him contradicting himself. says he doesnt know why steam gets praised yet says "i dont know all the details". who doesnt praise a DD service who gives us dailys sales, midweek sales, weekend sales, and holiday sales constantly throughout the year and every year. valve is also the company who started to and to this day embraces and supports the modding community more than anyone else. they also give free games every now and then. seriously, the answer is easy! so ya, pretty much why i called him out on it.

not being aggressive at all, just calling him out on him contradicting himself. says he doesnt know why steam gets praised yet says "i dont know all the details". who doesnt praise a DD service who gives us dailys sales, midweek sales, weekend sales, and holiday sales constantly throughout the year and every year. valve is also the company who started to and to this day embraces and supports the modding community more than anyone else. they also give free games every now and then. seriously, the answer is easy! so ya, pretty much why i called him out on it.

Rage010101

Ah, and here in lies my proof. Steam is not the only DD services with deals and sales. I personally prefer GMG myself. I shop around for the best deal - sometimes it's Steam, sometimes it GMG, D2D, Amazon. Deals are not something exclusive to Steam, yet people here will hype Steam up as though no other services provides deals.

I do appreciate Valve's modding support. It's one of those recognitions that they deserve. I don't play many Valve mods, but it'd be silly to ignore the company's impact on the mod community, through the Source engine, or they support of indie developers and mod concepts, such as the official support of TF and Counterstrike.

I've never gotten a free game from steam, and the only one I know of is Portal, which I had already beaten. It's nice of them, but do you congratulate SOE for making DCUO free to play?

Like I said, I like Valve and Steam. But the unfettering love some people show is confusing. Steam DRM could use work, and the inclusion of Steamworks in games that have nothing to do with Steam is kind of annoying. They've essentially got the PC DD market in the hand, which prevents it from evolving faster than what Valve themself wants. Why did Valve give us game-item trading instead of full-on game trading? The fact that GMG allows people to trade it games means that it could be done, but since Valve owns the market, I'm not expecting anything to happen until Valve decides they want to implement it.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

My bad for not taking Sony's word for it. *rolls eyes*

MajorGamer531

Lol, or instead of just listening to what people say, pay attention to what they do.

Edit: To your edit:

Articles:

http://www.techairlines.com/2011/06/02/sony-hacked-plaintext-data/

http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/sony/sony-hacked-again-over-1-million-passwords-compromised/

IRC dump of hacker conversation:

http://pastie.org/private/erihhjd2ccvj0lkmzbtuw

-"wow, plaintext"

But once again, pay attention to what they do, not what's said. They shut down their entire network. I don't see Valve rushing to kick the plug.

Two reasons: Sony took over a week or so to let people know their data may have been compromised.....Steam told customers to change their passwords ASAP.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Two reasons: Sony took over a week or so to let people know their data may have been compromised.....Steam told customers to change their passwords ASAP.

nethernova

Sony took 10 days to tell customers their data may have been compromised.

That's one of the big differences between the two.

[QUOTE="nethernova"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

Two reasons: Sony took over a week or so to let people know their data may have been compromised.....Steam told customers to change their passwords ASAP.

KC_Hokie

Sony took 10 days to tell customers their data may have been compromised.

That's one of the big differences between the two.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="nethernova"] 4 days isn't ASAP. Stop claiming otherwise.Chris_Williams

Sony took 10 days to tell customers their data may have been compromised.

That's one of the big differences between the two.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes it is. After they discovered nothing was compromised they told customers to change passwords just to be safe.

Sony took 10 days to tell customers their data may have been compromised.

That's one of the big differences between the two.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] you do know that information was stolen right? they were compromised if they weren't you wouldn't be hearing about it, since i'm sure they get attacked alot as any other site. JohnF111

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Steam data was encrypted while the Sony data was not. Steam is having you change passwords as a precautions. Happens on the time on websites when nothing was compromised. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="JohnF111"]Sony data was not encrypted... You are right. It was hashed instead.

JohnF111

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes it is. After they discovered nothing was compromised they told customers to change passwords just to be safe.

Sony took 10 days to tell customers their data may have been compromised.

That's one of the big differences between the two.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea...which isn't the same as encrypted. KC_Hokie

Info possibly taken:

user names

hashed and salted passwords

game purchases

email addresses

billing addresses

encrypted credit card information.

It looks much more readable when separated using a new line.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea...which isn't the same as encrypted. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Steam data was encrypted while the Sony data was not. Steam is having you change passwords as a precautions. Happens on the time on websites when nothing was compromised. KC_Hokie

Only the forums were hacked. Steam accounts and forum accounts are separate.Zero5000X

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Steam's CC was encrypted, no mention of personal data encryption (since they didn't mention any encryption on the personal data, while they did explicitly for CC, it is pretty safe it wasn't encrypted). They also hashed (not encrypted, hashed) their passwords. Oh wait, that's exactly the same situation PSN was in...DerekLoffin

Steam let customers know quickly nothing was compromised but to change passwords (which happens all the time on websites).

Most people see the difference so good luck trying to equate the two.

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Only the forums were hacked. Steam accounts and forum accounts are separate.JohnF111

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Again, for several reasons the Steam hacked isn't a big deal while the Sony ones were. The ethics behind letting your customers know your data was compromised is a big one. Took Sony 10 days. KC_Hokie

Steam let customers know quickly nothing was compromised but to change passwords (which happens all the time on websites).

Most people see the difference so good luck trying to equate the two.