PSVR Flops big time, selling 25% of estimates

Its also worth to note that there was no push by Sony during BF for the ps vr. Instead they were focusing on the pro and on top of that none of the other vr headsets were setting the world on fire

This is what i said 2 months ago before PSVR even launched:

"lol at the people spending $400+ on this at launch.

i guarantee you in 1-2 years time this thing will be on clearance shelves at your local best buy/gamestop because it bombed hard."

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looks like i was right all along...Where is shewgenja now?

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-time-has-come-psvr-unboxing-vid-is-upon-us-3d--33362827/

LOL REKT

@makemefamous07: You are probably the most annoying troll Ive seen in awhile, all you post is complete bs and nonsense, you don't even try.

It is new tech that is still in its infancy. There are no killer apps on any of the VR platforms. It is also expensive. What are people expecting? Without killer games, consumers do not have much incentive to buy it. Without a large install base, developers do not have much incentive to develop for it. So, something has to give. That is why you have companies like Oculus funding games to help drive sales of the hardware so that other developers are willing to invest as well. It is also why I bought the Rift over the others, because they are the most dedicated to making VR a success.

This. I mean at least I saw some retailers take off a few bucks off the newer Pro but I don't recall seeing any discounts for PSVR.

I'm right here. In this thread. Wondering if everything Pachter has ever said has also come true you dolt.

@walloftruth: will supply the link as soon as I get the Xbox link.

VR as a whole is already dead, it was just another fad/gimmick like most sane people called it out to be awhile ago.

@davillain-: Gen 1? VR has been around for decades thought it fails everytime they bring it back.

At $400 damn right it failed in sales.

I love mine. Unlike most of the millennial safe space kiddies on these boards I work and have a job that allows me to purchase without regret. The interest I get each month off of my investments could allow me to buy a PSVR and more without even coming close to putting a dent on my principal. Go back to your safe spaces and cry because of income inequality.

Releasing a headset VR for a console that uses a cellphone cpu and a gpu from 2009 was a r****** idea, Sony. No one should be sad for this, gimmicks better die quickly so devs don't waste time developing games for that pos.

it bombed, hard.. how does it feel wasting $400+ on a device that will go on clearance shelves in 6-12 months , you pleb.

@kvally: Why are people so surprised.

I did analyze why VR and PSVR will fail to be a commercial success before even VR get a release for PCs. PSVR falls under same criteria.

To keep it short , till VR is quite affordable along with everything else to support it ( power in short , either PC or console ) which only then will make developers to seriously focus on it , if ever , theres no way for any VR device to succeed in long run.

Some questioned this analysis i made pre-VR release for PCs but ill stick to it and PSVR is not an exception to this.

Its really too early for VR , power wise , price wise , technology wise .. you name it wise.

Sales Wars

@makemefamous07: Except Sony isnt losing money lol. And each VR is sold at a profit.

Bro, how can you call him out for using what is clearly a bullshit research firm, but then turn around and provide an arbitrary number for the success of a product. Your number isn't even backed up by a bullshit research firm. It was arbitrarily created by you. Logic?

Ah, yes. Profanity, as well as the use of "butthurt". There are few clearer signs that I've gotten under your skin, lemmy-lem-lem.

Have a nice day!

I'm still planning to get a PSVR. Here in Australia, the first shipment sold out really fast...so I still can't get one (there may have been another shipment just recently). I'll be picking one up early next year.

As far as the success of PSVR goes, whatever happened to giving something more than a nanosecond before judging it? This product has been out globally for a mere couple of months! I mean, wait until it's been on the market for a good 12 months at least, surely.

Also as we know from the console business generally, it can take time for a platform's sales to ramp up as the library grows.

I mean, PSVR might ultimately die a premature death; who knows. But I think it's far too early to write it off entirely - our collective short attention spans tend to want a quick and definitive answer to everything, but that's not how the world really works. This is why I can sympathise with Tim Cook when he gets angry about analysts predicting doom and gloom based purely on "the last quarter's results" when his job is to look at the long term game. It's frustrating.

Bro, I was merely arbitrarily using the quoted amount. Research firm predictions by and large are, and will continue to be, utter BS. If the PSVR sells that amount in that time it would be impressive; I do not say this to imply that I take such estimates seriously.

Logic? Yes, logic. Have a good day.

I'm not surprised. But once again the cows show their hypocrisy. It's infuriating. Cows seriously remind me of conservatives. Both equally wrong, insane, and hypocritical.

That's what I'm saying though. Impressive based on what? You both are making illogical arguments.

care to elaborate?

comparing a device that just launched to a 3 year old one makes no sense. sales are always higher on a launch day.

Lets not forget the original kinect sold about 26 million in 3 years and 6 years later kinect is pretty much dead. I doubt PSVR reaches that number to be honest. the tech isn't there yet for an enjoyable experience. maybe the next gen of it will be. I was very underwhelmed with PSVR

@FrozenLiquid: VR technology is expensive so it will cost more than the ps4, even if the ps4 VR is under powered.

It's always going to be a tough sell for relatively new technology, that is basically an add-on gimmick, can cause motion sickness, has been confirmed by eye specialists as bad for eyes, has a limited community for online games and probably is uncomfortable to play (just an assumption from somebody who is lazy and wants to sit down to play games and wear a headset).

So all in all its sold pretty well given its limitations.

Huh? Selling 700,000 of anything in a couple months, let alone an expensive device that people are wary of due to its being new tech, would be impressive. How is that illogical? And, no, if you're wondering, I don't own a PSVR. I have very little interest in ever getting one. No fanboying here. I think the thing is a waste of money at present.

Yup, local best buy still has hundreds unsold, just VR headsets.

Sony was stupid not making the bundle as the main sell.

Well, I hear it sold out everywhere, they must have been keeping them in short supply to make it look like a hotter item than it was.

Bundles are sold out (and has been discontinued, impossible to find unless SONY decides to redo them) the individual headsets are collecting dust, no one wants to buy everything seperately.

Sony screwed up with that, they should've done 100% bundles.

Well I'm enjoying mine and the games I've played. Only thing I care about is Sony not dropping support. RE7 is just couple months aways.

After seeing what it could achieve on Driveclub, of course it failed.

Xbone, PS4 sold a million in a week. You say those weren't new pieces of tech, okay.

Wii U sold 900,000 in 6 weeks, despite market confusion and 300/350 price tag, and inferior touch technology.

Wii, completely new and untested technology, laughed at by many upon reveal, sold 3.19 million in the first two months, despite hardware shortages.

PSVR had massive hype and has undersold. How can you say you're not fanboying, when your posts have called Xbox fans lemmings?

I never cared for VR or strapping anything to my face as I've said for years, so on to the next wave of games.

Plus, this thing was $400 expensive (More than the PS4!) and I didn't see a lot of advertising (some, but not a lot) for it like I've seen for other products including the PS4 itself.

It just seemed like something for hobbyists.

Oh, it's one of those threads? I wish the fanboys would c/p the REAL titles if they aren't going to be accurate.

In SW, misleading titles were locked. I've seen well over 1000 threads locked by dubious, sketchy fanboys over the years. The issue I think is if a mod notices the discrepancy or even cares about this place anymore.

The actual title has a question mark and speciically refers to a single outfit making a forecast:

VR the biggest loser this holiday?

SuperData revises its VR forecasts with PSVR

TBH, I didn't expect VR to do well, but this is just a forecast by one outfit. They could be right, but it would be nice if the title of this thread reflected the actual link.

it's a shitty cycle with new hardware

devs: we won't make good games unless people buy the hardware, whats the point of spending tens of millions making a game if nobody owns the hardware to buy it

gamers: we won't buy the hardware unless devs make good games, whats the point of spending hundreds of dolalrs on something with nothing good to play on it

someone has to end the stalemate, IMO it's the devs. Why should consumers buy somehting barely usable in good faith it'll be usable eventually. Since it's sony's product they are pushing, it's really up to them. if they want people to buy it, they should have made some good 1st party launch games. It's not up to activision, EA, capcom etc to help sony make it's platform attractive. Sony doesn't even have to make them, they can fund projects from other companies for it.

I really don't know what to do with you, man. 700,000 is an impressive launch based on VR tech. You're comparing the PSVR to the wrong things; it should be compared to other VR headsets, none of which have done too well. PSVR appears to have sold more than any of its competition. That is impressive. The thing could fall flat on its face from here on out and I wouldn't care. I have no dog in this race. You need to calm down. Saying the PSVR undersold makes no sense, as Sony never gave an estimate for how much they expected to sell. Hell, they even limited the stock just about everywhere. That should tell you something.

And I don't call Xbox fans lemmings. I call lemmings lemmings. Get it? Good.

well that's stupid, not that I planned on getting one but if I did then I would only bother with a bundle, that's shitty then, I guess I know I won't bother now

I bet you that Xbox One S consoles sold over a 1 million consoles between Nov - Dec.

Who didn't see this coming?

Because your argument is flawed.

"And I don't call Xbox fans lemmings. I call lemmings lemmings. Get it? Good."

so much flip flopping now, lmao

cows don't know which direction to go

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

@reduc_ab_ said:

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

That's what I'm saying though. Impressive based on what? You both are making illogical arguments.

Huh? Selling 700,000 of anything in a couple months, let alone an expensive device that people are wary of due to its being new tech, would be impressive. How is that illogical? And, no, if you're wondering, I don't own a PSVR. I have very little interest in ever getting one. No fanboying here. I think the thing is a waste of money at present.

Xbone, PS4 sold a million in a week. You say those weren't new pieces of tech, okay.

Wii U sold 900,000 in 6 weeks, despite market confusion and 300/350 price tag, and inferior touch technology.

Wii, completely new and untested technology, laughed at by many upon reveal, sold 3.19 million in the first two months, despite hardware shortages.

PSVR had massive hype and has undersold. How can you say you're not fanboying, when your posts have called Xbox fans lemmings?

I really don't know what to do with you, man. 700,000 is an impressive launch based on VR tech. You're comparing the PSVR to the wrong things; it should be compared to other VR headsets, none of which have done too well. PSVR appears to have sold more than any of its competition. That is impressive. The thing could fall flat on its face from here on out and I wouldn't care. I have no dog in this race. You need to calm down. Saying the PSVR undersold makes no sense, as Sony never gave an estimate for how much they expected to sell. Hell, they even limited the stock just about everywhere. That should tell you something.

Because your argument is flawed.

"And I don't call Xbox fans lemmings. I call lemmings lemmings. Get it? Good."

You compare a peripheral to consoles sales-wise. And you say my argument is flawed. Then you post a cliche gif. Then you quote me...with no follow up.

Dude, just give it up. There is no need to make it seem like Sony is doing badly, which is what you are desperately trying to do. They're not. You'll be okay.

Flip flopping. Right. From the start I've said the PSVR is a promising device that I won't buy unless it has good games. Right now it doesn't have much.

VR is great and all. New way to play games and it's awesome but it was destined to fail for these reasons..

Eye strain after 30 mins - 1 hour of gameplay.

Nobody wants to play games for hours on end with this huge uncomfortable heavy brick attached to their head with wires trailing everywhere.

It's an accessory and not part of the console purchase, so it really is just treated like something that isn't a requirement.

It's pricey as ****. What would you rather buy a dualshock 4 for £50 or a VR headset for £350. Price of a console.

The resolution sucks.

Games are pricey and short. Not worth it.

Yeah, it's safe to say I called this one...

A lot of us did, except for the hardcore cows like quackknight, who's avoiding this thread like the plague

I don't know why you even ask. Referring to an entire group of people as "cows" immediately invalidates an argument, in my view. When someone is respectful of others and can articulate a position, then sure, it's worth engaging in a discussion. But outside that? It's largely salt and tribalism.

Lemits mad that they lost november i see.

According to Kvally "most PS fans". Not sure whose ass he pulled that stupid assumption out of.

I guess we need to work out what type of figure he associates with "most". I'm guessing something in the vicinity of a handful.

when you look at Sony's strategy this gen, it's big problem is that they are embracing the growing criticism of console gaming that is just PC-lite. It used to be just that it was all the patching, dlc, installs, etc. Now, not only is Sony going with a mid-gen optional hardware upgrade (with many of the options PC gamers have), but they released a niche tech for hobbyists like VR.

It's like they think that console gamers are the exact same as PC gamers, only with less money. In some cases, that is true, but I truly to believe that console gamers on the whole are a different type of gamer.

Hard to sell more when they cant deliver enough so people actually can buy them.