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#1 AdamPA1006
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Did anybody else catch this?
Its from The Witness blog, it explains how the game ended up on PS4.

 

"I dont have good communication with anyone at Microsoft right now, but all our technical people like the PS4 specs a lot more than the leaked Durango specs, and we like the positioning of the PS4 (its about games) more than what we perceive Microsofts positioning is going to be."

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lol, the PS4 is going to be all about social media ,and streaming.
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nice to see the gddr5 put to good use there.

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#4 Tessellation
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if these developers enjoy losing money is up to them
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#5 Cherokee_Jack
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all our technical people like the PS4 specs a lot more than the leaked Durango specsAdamPA1006

Meaning they know as much as we do.

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if these developers enjoy losing money is up to themTessellation
love them tears from telly :cool:

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#7 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]if these developers enjoy losing money is up to themheeweesRus

love them tears from telly :cool:

look how butthurt you get believing it was some attack at your girlfriend :( lets see you cry.
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#8 Karpetburnz
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Isnt the next Xbox gonna be sold like cable box? LOL PS4 is where the games are at. none of this Kinect Bullsh!t.
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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]if these developers enjoy losing money is up to themTessellation

love them tears from telly :cool:

look how butthurt you get believing it was some attack at your girlfriend :( lets see you cry.

Sure, go back to your basement virgin hermit nerdroid :cool:

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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"] love them tears from telly :cool:

heeweesRus

look how butthurt you get believing it was some attack at your girlfriend :( lets see you cry.

Sure, go back to your basement virgin hermit nerdroid :cool:

i love how the puppet obey me when i tell him too :cool: more tears please.
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#11 Sweenix
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]if these developers enjoy losing money is up to themheeweesRus

love them tears from telly :cool:

oh god, your avatar cracks me up

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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] look how butthurt you get believing it was some attack at your girlfriend :( lets see you cry.Tessellation

Sure, go back to your basement virgin hermit nerdroid :cool:

i love how the puppet obey me when i tell him too :cool: more tears please.

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#14 Heil68
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Well MS is focusing on kinect(lol) it's to be expected. :(
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#15 lild1425
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Let's talk when we know the actual specs.

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#16 Krelian-co
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yet another confirmation that sony already won this gen, nothing new to see here.

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#17 whiskeystrike
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"leaked"

Okay, that's really all that needs to be said.

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Isnt the next Xbox gonna be sold like cable box? LOL PS4 is where the games are at. none of this Kinect Bullsh!t.Karpetburnz

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Right :roll: 

 

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[QUOTE="Karpetburnz"]Isnt the next Xbox gonna be sold like cable box? LOL PS4 is where the games are at. none of this Kinect Bullsh!t.StrongDeadlift

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Right :roll: 

 

YET Sony said their focus is CORE gamers. Funny how that works.

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#20 AdamPA1006
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Let's talk when we know the actual specs.

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We can all agree though that its not looking good. Everyone everywhere who knows hardware loves the device. 720 Will have to really do something special to beat the PS3 in graphical power. Or go down the road they are going and just have halo and Kinectimals (*cough sorry* kinect games
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lol, the PS4 is going to be all about social media ,and streaming games.AlexKidd5000

fixed that for you. gaming is sony's number one focus not netflix. ;)

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All hail teh ram
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[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="Karpetburnz"]Isnt the next Xbox gonna be sold like cable box? LOL PS4 is where the games are at. none of this Kinect Bullsh!t.NineTailedGoku

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Right :roll: 

 

YET Sony said their focus is CORE gamers. Funny how that works.

BUT MOMMY SONY SAID...

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#24 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]all our technical people like the PS4 specs a lot more than the leaked Durango specsCherokee_Jack

Meaning they know as much as we do.

This... I'm so tired of 720 being judged on a merit of some rumors.

Wait for the official announcement and info, then talk...

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Gonna be a fun generation, if true :)

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#26 tormentos
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if these developers enjoy losing money is up to themTessellation
Yeah because Activision,Ubisoft EA and many more as losing so much on PS3..
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#27 tormentos
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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]if these developers enjoy losing money is up to themTessellation

love them tears from telly :cool:

look how butthurt you get believing it was some attack at your girlfriend :( lets see you cry.

But but i am a hermit but but i am not lemming..:lol: Don't worry Tessellation Kotaku and SuperDaE will save you.
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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]if these developers enjoy losing money is up to themTessellation

love them tears from telly :cool:

look how butthurt you get believing it was some attack at your girlfriend :( lets see you cry.

telly is full of jelly.

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#29 tormentos
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[QUOTE="Karpetburnz"]Isnt the next Xbox gonna be sold like cable box? LOL PS4 is where the games are at. none of this Kinect Bullsh!t.StrongDeadlift

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Right :roll: 

 

The light on the controller is not Move is to identify players while they log in..:lol: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=515732 The only thing sony showed with the camera was a move demo,but move it self is not included,unlike KInect which the xbox 720 need even to launch a game.
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"leaked Durango specs" Well, thanks for letting us know.
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#31 tormentos
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]all our technical people like the PS4 specs a lot more than the leaked Durango specsRocker6

Meaning they know as much as we do.

This... I'm so tired of 720 being judged on a merit of some rumors.

Wait for the official announcement and info, then talk...

The problem is that most rumors about both hardware had been almost all spot on. MS has other plans,maybe the do plan to subsidy the console which would make it cheaper,but in order to do so you need to mandatory pay for xbox live and be always online with Kinect always on,kind like AT&T and other companies give a cheaper phone but you need a mandatory data plan,and since you are going to be always online they also fit no used games policy.. This ^^ measures are very Draconian to the consumer,and if they are true even with subsidy plan it would be very hard to sell 720.
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#32 Innovazero2000
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Did anybody else catch this?
Its from The Witness blog, it explains how the game ended up on PS4.

 

"I dont have good communication with anyone at Microsoft right now, but all our technical people like the PS4 specs a lot more than the leaked Durango specs, and we like the positioning of the PS4 (its about games) more than what we perceive Microsofts positioning is going to be."

AdamPA1006

Except rumblings out developers is that while the PS4 is more powerful, the gap is marginal and similar to the ps3 vs 360. Its brute strength vs raw efficiency.

They are speculating just like anybody else, they don't know any more then the lot at the moment. What MS does as far as positioning goes will greatly influence my decision. I do like what the PS4 is offering though, curious to see the pricing.

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Thank you GDDR5 :shock:

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Except rumblings out developers is that while the PS4 is more powerful, the gap is marginal and similar to the ps3 vs 360. Its brute strength vs raw efficiency.

They are speculating just like anybody else, they don't know any more then the lot at the moment. What MS does as far as positioning goes will greatly influence my decision. I do like what the PS4 is offering though, curious to see the pricing.

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Developer are been neutral which is another thing,the PS4 could have a 680GTX and they would still be the same. In fact the talk about efficiency come from the same place the whole Secret sauce came from and we know how that ended. The whole theory of efficiency in based on the wishful thinking that the PS4 will be like the PS3,which isn't the case nothing point toward a unefficient PS4,all the contrary it has an APU,with faster memory than the 720,with a more straight forward design and the same amount of ram. It has been rumor the 720 use 3GB of ram and 2 core from its CPU for OS,on PS4 the only OS confirmed quantity so far has been 512MB,and the PS4 has an OS chip which mean the PS4 doesn't have to waist its cores on OS. There is non way the xbox 720 can have a more efficient design,when is patch from the memory point of view to fix bandwidth problems,and latency rather than been make more straight forward to eliminate those problems,also while having Kinect always on eating resources.
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PS4 is all about Facebook.
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[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]Except rumblings out developers is that while the PS4 is more powerful, the gap is marginal and similar to the ps3 vs 360. Its brute strength vs raw efficiency.

They are speculating just like anybody else, they don't know any more then the lot at the moment. What MS does as far as positioning goes will greatly influence my decision. I do like what the PS4 is offering though, curious to see the pricing.

tormentos

Developer are been neutral which is another thing,the PS4 could have a 680GTX and they would still be the same. In fact the talk about efficiency come from the same place the whole Secret sauce came from and we know how that ended. The whole theory of efficiency in based on the wishful thinking that the PS4 will be like the PS3,which isn't the case nothing point toward a unefficient PS4,all the contrary it has an APU,with faster memory than the 720,with a more straight forward design and the same amount of ram. It has been rumor the 720 use 3GB of ram and 2 core from its CPU for OS,on PS4 the only OS confirmed quantity so far has been 512MB,and the PS4 has an OS chip which mean the PS4 doesn't have to waist its cores on OS. There is non way the xbox 720 can have a more efficient design,when is patch from the memory point of view to fix bandwidth problems,and latency rather than been make more straight forward to eliminate those problems,also while having Kinect always on eating resources.

You are looking at it all wrong. Do you know how DME/DMA's work? The ESRAM in addition is not only low latency, but it does not have the restrictions the EDRAM in the 360 has. 32mb is much cheaper the gddr5, and you get a huge bandwidth increase and that's not all its good for. Bang for buck. Looks like a semi TBR(Tile renderer) system actually.

You say "bottlenecks", I say it's a cost effective way of getting the very most out of each component and I think others who understand it would agree.

I guess we will find out, personally I can go either way this generation.

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I think I'm going to give the same reply I give to any nine tails thread now.

lol n4g, lol vgchartz, lol estimates.

 

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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Meaning they know as much as we do.

tormentos

This... I'm so tired of 720 being judged on a merit of some rumors.

Wait for the official announcement and info, then talk...

The problem is that most rumors about both hardware had been almost all spot on. MS has other plans,maybe the do plan to subsidy the console which would make it cheaper,but in order to do so you need to mandatory pay for xbox live and be always online with Kinect always on,kind like AT&T and other companies give a cheaper phone but you need a mandatory data plan,and since you are going to be always online they also fit no used games policy.. This ^^ measures are very Draconian to the consumer,and if they are true even with subsidy plan it would be very hard to sell 720.

Oh, it's very much possible MS will pull off some stupid moves with the 720, but all I'm saying is, it's not good to go by the rumors, no matter how credible they may seem.

I'll wait for facts and official words, and well, since MS is planning to unveil the 720 in April, won't have to wait that long...

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Whatever Microsoft are cooking up certainly has the $ony fan trolls running scared that's for sure :o

 

It must be something special with all these damage control threads :cool:

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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Meaning they know as much as we do.

tormentos

This... I'm so tired of 720 being judged on a merit of some rumors.

Wait for the official announcement and info, then talk...

The problem is that most rumors about both hardware had been almost all spot on. MS has other plans,maybe the do plan to subsidy the console which would make it cheaper,but in order to do so you need to mandatory pay for xbox live and be always online with Kinect always on,kind like AT&T and other companies give a cheaper phone but you need a mandatory data plan,and since you are going to be always online they also fit no used games policy.. This ^^ measures are very Draconian to the consumer,and if they are true even with subsidy plan it would be very hard to sell 720.

dive Dive! Moron alert. 1.some rumors weren't even touched upon at the ps4 conference such as look of system or its price and certain issues that we haven't even heard an official line on from sony yet. 2.some negative rumors were proven correct. 3.some positive rumors were proven correct. your a moron. you can't have it both ways you cant say all positive rumors about the ps4 are correct and all negative about the 720 are correct some have to be correct and some wont be. but why am I even trying you've been a sheer abortive moron on these forums since you first showed up.
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wait until kinect 2.0 is finally announced and we see its prowess, can't wait to see what's underneath my shoe with next gen avatars.
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#42 tormentos
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You are looking at it all wrong. Do you know how DME/DMA's work? The ESRAM in addition is not only low latency, but it does not have the restrictions the EDRAM in the 360 has. 32mb is much cheaper the gddr5, and you get a huge bandwidth increase and that's not all its good for. Bang for buck. Looks like a semi TBR(Tile renderer) system actually.

You say "bottlenecks", I say it's a cost effective way of getting the very most out of each component and I think others who understand it would agree.

I guess we will find out, personally I can go either way this generation.

Innovazero2000
Yes i know and many people who knows about hardware had debunk them as something that GPU already have inside. ESRAM is more cheaper than GDDR5,but GDDR5 still is faster no matter what the argument is the GPU will have maximum connection to the ESRAM at 104GB/s far lower than GDDR5,is basically a patch to help alleviate DDR3 slow bandwidth is basically a patch. In fact it is say that both the 720 and PS4 had the same GPU,but do to ESRAM inclusion 6 CU were cut to fit the ESRAM on the same die,so basically MS had to give up performance and bandwidth to go cheap DDR3. The PS4 is a more straight forward design,has faster ram more bandwidth and resource,unless MS had change everything and has trick every one the PS4 will easily beat the 720 silly,it will not be PS3 vs xbox 360 in exclusives and probably not even on multiplatforms.
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#43 Kaszilla
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Ok, so they dont know the 720's specs.
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#44 Kaszilla
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[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]You are looking at it all wrong. Do you know how DME/DMA's work? The ESRAM in addition is not only low latency, but it does not have the restrictions the EDRAM in the 360 has. 32mb is much cheaper the gddr5, and you get a huge bandwidth increase and that's not all its good for. Bang for buck. Looks like a semi TBR(Tile renderer) system actually.

You say "bottlenecks", I say it's a cost effective way of getting the very most out of each component and I think others who understand it would agree.

I guess we will find out, personally I can go either way this generation.

tormentos
Yes i know and many people who knows about hardware had debunk them as something that GPU already have inside. ESRAM is more cheaper than GDDR5,but GDDR5 still is faster no matter what the argument is the GPU will have maximum connection to the ESRAM at 104GB/s far lower than GDDR5,is basically a patch to help alleviate DDR3 slow bandwidth is basically a patch. In fact it is say that both the 720 and PS4 had the same GPU,but do to ESRAM inclusion 6 CU were cut to fit the ESRAM on the same die,so basically MS had to give up performance and bandwidth to go cheap DDR3. The PS4 is a more straight forward design,has faster ram more bandwidth and resource,unless MS had change everything and has trick every one the PS4 will easily beat the 720 silly,it will not be PS3 vs xbox 360 in exclusives and probably not even on multiplatforms.

Can you stop pretending like you know the 720 top to bottom?
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#45 LustForSoul
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Leaked leaked leaked leaked.
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#46 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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yet another confirmation that sony already won this gen, nothing new to see here.

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Why? or have you forgotten how last gen went where every developer was praising the 360 and shunned the PS3 on release? look how that changed. They are talking raw specs yes, but Xbox had 55% of all software sales, in reality that is more important to them... dont kid yourselves.
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#47 PAL360
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It's a known fact PS4 specs are awesome and very dev friendly, but compare them to leaked/rumored ones is prity stupid!

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I can't wait for devs to pull a 180 and worship the ground the NextXbox walks on when it gets revealed,

devs just go were the hype is in hopes of high sales

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#49 COVAtheNOVA
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Since we are going off leaked stuff, I guess that means Sony is still not allowing used games on the PS4. I mean it was talked about every day when leaked so it had to be true. :lol:

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#50 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="Karpetburnz"]Isnt the next Xbox gonna be sold like cable box? LOL PS4 is where the games are at. none of this Kinect Bullsh!t.tormentos

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Right :roll:

The light on the controller is not Move is to identify players while they log in..:lol: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=515732 The only thing sony showed with the camera was a move demo,but move it self is not included,unlike KInect which the xbox 720 need even to launch a game.

LOL. Right. Customers are just screaming to have a color coded light to show log-in. And multi-coloured health bars on the front of your controller pointed away from you is going to be an awesome advance over an onscreen healthbar. The enhanced 6 axis capability is just a coincidence. Another coincidence is that the new 3d eye can track the new DS4.

The only thing they haven't said is whether the camera is being built in or will be a seperate accessory. Without the camera it is going to be motion sensing light. With the camera it is going to be move 2.0. And there will be the option of a seperate move controller.

I actually like this business strategy better than MS because we presumably wom't have to pay the cost of the camera in every unit. On the otherhand a built in kinect is going to be cheaper than buying a seperate move camera, so a lot may still depend on pricing.

But lets not kid ourselves that one is uber core and the other is uber casual. Sony is building some of the enabling technology into every system, they just have not gone whole hog and bundled the camera (that we know of yet).