"End of used games would have severe consequences for gaming"

When u were growing up used games are what you rely on xD they help create the next generation of gamers!! buying a used game just to try it out also helps to get people interested in a game series and buy the sequels. Who here hasn't traded in some old games to help fund the purchase of the best game releases?

I think people only wanna claim severe consequences because they are the ones who buy the games used. Gaming will survive and push through.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I can't imagine any "severe consequences" that would come from ending used sales.

SapSacPrime

[QUOTE="Cruxis27"]

Digital download anyone?

Bigboi500

I think people only wanna claim severe consequences because they are the ones who buy the games used. Gaming will survive and push through.

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

I think people only wanna claim severe consequences because they are the ones who buy the games used. Gaming will survive and push through.

tomarlyn

These people who are referred to a lot in this thread, who will apparently stop buying games if there are no used games to buy. Does that imply that they only buy used? And if so, how would that have any impact on the industry?

[QUOTE="Ontain"]sorry but piracy and buying used games are not at all related regardless of what devs and publishers would have you believe.Mograine

Both let you play a game, neither gives money to the gaming industry outside of the retailers.

I see plenty of relations when talking of effects on the industry.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="Ontain"] sorry but piracy and buying used games are not at all related regardless of what devs and publishers would have you believe.Bigboi500

Neither developer, nor publisher, see a cent from the secondary buyer.

I don't see how buying used from GameStop "supports the industry."

If a person who only ever bought used games, stopped buying games it would have no direct impact on developers or publishers whatsoever.

One could make arguments for indirect effects, however it would be speculatory.

i buy many used games and have sold many games . If they stop selling used games i will spend way less on gaming . buying full price games can be expensive so i wont buy as many new games.

These people who are referred to a lot in this thread, who will apparently stop buying games if there are no used games to buy. Does that imply that they only buy used? And if so, how would that have any impact on the industry?

shinrabanshou

Totally different things. A used game is a legitimate game, once bought new, that simply has its ownership transferred to a different person. No more than one person can use that one legitimate copy, of which the developer/publisher did see money from.

SakusEnvoy

Totally irrelevant.

It doesn't negate the fact that they have aspects in common.

Couldn't care less to be honest...

I normally buy most of my games used...especially this gen where a vast majority of the games can be completed in extremely short times (MGS4 - 4-5 hrs, Bayonetta - 3hrs, Mirror's edge - 5hrs or less, Uncharted series - 6 to 8 hrs, etc, etc.)

If used games remain, then good..I'll keep buying used games unless I think they're actually worth my $60.

If used games are prohibited, then I'll simply lessen my gaming intake and solely support the games I know are worth the money...

I'll also exclude investing in new IPs until they're proven (that's what I did with Uncharted: I bought the first one used...I enjoyed it, so I bought the second one new the first day it was out in stores....if it wasn't for that used game sale, I probably wouldn't own a single Uncharted game in my collection right now).

Other than that...I'll just sit down and wait until those prices drop...and boy will they drop.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]Totally different things. A used game is a legitimate game, once bought new, that simply has its ownership transferred to a different person. No more than one person can use that one legitimate copy, of which the developer/publisher did see money from.

Mograine

Totally irrelevant.

It doesn't negate the fact that they have aspects in common.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I can't imagine any "severe consequences" that would come from ending used sales.

Santesyu

yeah as always hermits just dont get it

No, it's not totally irrelevant. You asked "The exact same thing has been said for piracy. Yet, everyone likes to frown upon it. How does this work then?". And that's the answer...

SakusEnvoy

Then you should have quoted my previous post.

yeah as always hermits just dont get it

dontshackzmii

Unlike YOU, those pesky hermits don't leave out relevant factors like the ones pointed out and don't speculate out of their bottoms.

"just don't get it" coming from a guy who doesn't even know what "fast" means in computing I will take that with a grain of salt and a big fat LOL.

Yeah the whole 'Get a job' comments are just stupid. I have a extremely flexible money budget but very few games in a year are worth the old $50 tag let alone $60.

Trying to get rid of used games is just absurd because the wait and see game doesn't work if a game is popular enough, that game will still be around $40 even years after release.

I don't think I will give games up but I won't be purchasing all systems within the first few years this time around. It seems that needing to sell a certain amount of copy's in order to make budget is fine if that money is being used for the game and not useless voice actors and a 500 man staff.

the first part of the argument makes sense. i'm trying to figure out WTF he meant with the second one.BrunoBRS

And just think about how the auto industry would be affected too.

A little off topic, but it's basically what he is getting at.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]sorry but piracy and buying used games are not at all related regardless of what devs and publishers would have you believe.Mograine

Both let you play a game, neither gives money to the gaming industry outside of the retailers.

I see plenty of relations when talking of effects on the industry.

The article is completely right. Ending used games will have a huge impact. I've stated it before.

1. It will, essentially, be illegal to play games that are not from the current gen. Unless you happen to own an original copy or can find a mint unopened copy of old NES games.

2. Piracy will skyrocket.

3. Sales will lower. This will require the removal of all gaming renting services. Which in turn means people cannot try it before they buy it. Which means many people will NOT touch an unknown series or an indy developers game.

This will either kill the gaming industry or cause another 1980's style videogame crash that takes the industry a decade to recover from. But of course large companies could care less. If there was a profit from killing our mothers, they'd probably go for it.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]if they stopped pre-owned sales it would mean the end of retail games, gameshops keep themselves open with pre-owned sales,as they actually make very little off the first sale, and with digital distribution only accounting for 15% of games sales, if gameshops colllapse, the publisher will have no distribution outlet except digital download which isn't enough to keep every publisher afloat.VideoGameGuy

Both also sell used games.

The article is completely right. Ending used games will have a huge impact. I've stated it before.

1. It will, essentially, be illegal to play games that are not from the current gen. Unless you happen to own an original copy or can find a mint unopened copy of old NES games.

2. Piracy will skyrocket.

3. Sales will lower. This will require the removal of all gaming renting services. Which in turn means people cannot try it before they buy it. Which means many people will NOT touch an unknown series or an indy developers game.

This will either kill the gaming industry or cause another 1980's style videogame crash that takes the industry a decade to recover from. But of course large companies could care less. If there was a profit from killing our mothers, they'd probably go for it.

Pixel-Pirate

I can't see it ever happening, but there might be a large fight over it in the years to come. And it could push DD more then pirating

Cruse34

I personally don't see the huge appeal of DD. Especially for people who have bandwith caps.

I doubt ones ISP will enjoy you downloading 300 GB's of games a month.

Both also sell used games.

Pixel-Pirate

They still would have sold more regardless.

[QUOTE="Cruse34"]

I can't see it ever happening, but there might be a large fight over it in the years to come. And it could push DD more then pirating

Pixel-Pirate

I personally don't see the huge appeal of DD. Especially for people who have bandwith caps.

I doubt ones ISP will enjoy you downloading 300 GB's of games a month.

For people mentioning that the elimination of used game sales would make some people "turn to piracy."

Anyone who would "turn to piracy" to get their games, in all likelihood is already doing so.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I can't imagine any "severe consequences" that would come from ending used sales.

SakusEnvoy

For people mentioning that the elimination of used game sales would make some people "turn to piracy."

Anyone who would "turn to piracy" to get their games, in all likelihood is already doing so.

shinrabanshou

Wouldn't this essentially put an end to the biggest name that benefits more than just the buyers...........Ebay

Wouldn't this essentially put an end to the biggest name that benefits more than just the buyers...........Ebay

Anberlin_2004

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The article is completely right. Ending used games will have a huge impact. I've stated it before.

1. It will, essentially, be illegal to play games that are not from the current gen. Unless you happen to own an original copy or can find a mint unopened copy of old NES games.

2. Piracy will skyrocket.

3. Sales will lower. This will require the removal of all gaming renting services. Which in turn means people cannot try it before they buy it. Which means many people will NOT touch an unknown series or an indy developers game.

This will either kill the gaming industry or cause another 1980's style videogame crash that takes the industry a decade to recover from. But of course large companies could care less. If there was a profit from killing our mothers, they'd probably go for it.

Mystic-G

And? They arn't really the same. PC has always been "buy new or go home", essentially. I'm not really sure how PC gamers manage to play 2 decade old games. Since you arn't likely to find unopened copies of Duke Nukem from 1990. Though I guess the answer is "They don't play them" since quite a few old PC games won't run on a modern PC. As a retro gamer, being told I cannot legally get older games anymore is abit of a big deal. PC also has DD. I can download a "new" copy of DOOM from steam. I cannot download a new copy of Castlevania: Lament of Innocence (a PS2 game). And as that game is around 7 years old, I cannot possibly find an unused copy.

And piracy is fairly high on PC. It's high on consoles as well. Do you really think being told we cannot ever rent a game again or try games out before we buy isn't going to cause piracy? Alot of PC gamers already pirate just to see if they like the game before they buy it.

I also don't recall there ever being PC rental game stores. Making it illegal to distribute a used game would shut down million dollar companies like gamefly overnight. You don't think that would have any impact?

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I can't imagine any "severe consequences" that would come from ending used sales.

Arach666

Not likely.

There is no DD system in existence that has every PC game ever made for download. Do you think Nintendo and various companies will make EVERY GAME THEY EVER PUBLISHED available as DD? Hell, we barely get any DD NES games on the virtual console anymore. Copyright and licensing issues has also caused certain games to not come out ever (Goldeneye).

Man, would suck to be a guy like James Rolfe. Can't complete your NES collection because it's now illegal to buy old NES games.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Take this example..... I really wasn't sure if I would like Shadow Of The Colossus even after the demo, so I got it used for £10. Now its one of the greatest games I've ever played and will be buying The Last Guardian & Team Ico collection new upon release. If it wasn't for the used game market I may never have bothered taking the plunge, now they've secured my future custom.Mograine

The exact same thing has been said for piracy. Yet, everyone likes to frown upon it. How does this work then?

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Take this example..... I really wasn't sure if I would like Shadow Of The Colossus even after the demo, so I got it used for £10. Now its one of the greatest games I've ever played and will be buying The Last Guardian & Team Ico collection new upon release. If it wasn't for the used game market I may never have bothered taking the plunge, now they've secured my future custom.hakanakumono

The exact same thing has been said for piracy. Yet, everyone likes to frown upon it. How does this work then?

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

The article is completely right. Ending used games will have a huge impact. I've stated it before.

1. It will, essentially, be illegal to play games that are not from the current gen. Unless you happen to own an original copy or can find a mint unopened copy of old NES games.

2. Piracy will skyrocket.

3. Sales will lower. This will require the removal of all gaming renting services. Which in turn means people cannot try it before they buy it. Which means many people will NOT touch an unknown series or an indy developers game.

This will either kill the gaming industry or cause another 1980's style videogame crash that takes the industry a decade to recover from. But of course large companies could care less. If there was a profit from killing our mothers, they'd probably go for it.

Pixel-Pirate

And? They arn't really the same. PC has always been "buy new or go home", essentially. I'm not really sure how PC gamers manage to play 2 decade old games. Since you arn't likely to find unopened copies of Duke Nukem from 1990. Though I guess the answer is "They don't play them" since quite a few old PC games won't run on a modern PC. As a retro gamer, being told I cannot legally get older games anymore is abit of a big deal. PC also has DD. I can download a "new" copy of DOOM from steam. I cannot download a new copy of Castlevania: Lament of Innocence (a PS2 game). And as that game is around 7 years old, I cannot possibly find an unused copy.

And piracy is fairly high on PC. It's high on consoles as well. Do you really think being told we cannot ever rent a game again or try games out before we buy isn't going to cause piracy? Alot of PC gamers already pirate just to see if they like the game before they buy it.

I also don't recall there ever being PC rental game stores. Making it illegal to distribute a used game would shut down million dollar companies like gamefly overnight. You don't think that would have any impact?

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I can't imagine any "severe consequences" that would come from ending used sales.

Arach666

Except when the company goes bankrupt, the company is no longer interested in publishing _ title, etc. The only reason Steam is beneficial towards consumers is because it has to sell itself as an alternative to the used game market. Once the used game market goes away, expect the realization that you don't own DD games to hit you hard.

With DD you have to rely on a 3rd party to own your "possessions." If DD were to take over, it would become increasingly clear that the nature of the relationship is that you don't own it, but the 3rd party that "keeps" it for you does.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

The exact same thing has been said for piracy. Yet, everyone likes to frown upon it. How does this work then?

shinrabanshou

Yes, but with a used game it's a sale for a sale. One person buys it new, only one person can own it. With piracy, for one sale thousands of other people can get their hands on a game.

Most of these problems are going to be for 3rd parties and consumers, not the people who actually want to see used game sales banned. Personally I believe in consumer > company with most things so I don't agree with it.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]With a used game, someone bought the game for you to be able to play it used.

hakanakumono

Yes, but with a used game it's a sale for a sale. One person buys it new, only one person can own it. With piracy, for one sale thousands of other people can get their hands on a game.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I can't imagine any "severe consequences" that would come from ending used sales.

SakusEnvoy

I can't imagine any "severe consequences" that would come from ending used sales.

Raymundo_Manuel

I've never really understood why used games are so controversial. So when people sell used toys, books, records, movies, computer parts, furniture, etc., it's no biggie, but with used games, it's an epic ****storm? What's so different about used games?

Vaasman

Yes. And this is most likely where we're heading to next gen.

I have a feeling current gen consoles will be the last new systems i purchase. From then on ill probably go back and buy a Saturn, Japanese PS1/PS2 and stick to my PC. I just cant see MS/Sony/Nintendo selling games online for < $3, like steam.

shutdown_202

I think people only wanna claim severe consequences because they are the ones who buy the games used. Gaming will survive and push through.

Mystic-G

I buy new games when it's something I know I'll get a lot of enjoyment and value out of, and support devs I think deserve it the most. Other games that I'm not sure about, or games that I wanna play but don't want to support the devs that I don't like (Activision, Ubisoft, and THQ for instance), I rent or buy dirt cheap.

There is no way in hell I'm going to pay $60 for a game like Modern Warfare 2 just to play the ridiculously short sp campaign, and anyone who thinks i should pay that much to play it, even though I don't want to play the mp part, isn't thinking things through very well.