"Graphics don't matter" is the new cliche phrase of the year...

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#101 Mass_Effect
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I was kind of disappointed when Nintendo said the Wii won't be a powerful system. Although it doesn't matter too much, some games would have great on the Wii, but it isn't powerful enough for them. Dead Rising would be brilliant on the Wii; using baseball bats, bowling balls, guns, swords etc all with the Wiimote would have been fantastic. Alas, Nintendo said graphics aren't important...

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#102 Teh_Stevz
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I'm very open over this subject. I can actually agree with the term "Graphics don't matter." Port GeOW over to last gen console(s) and it still be a great game. Vice versa, give Big Rigs a 'next-gen' graphical make-over to see if it makes the game better... Which is undoubtably false. One game for example called Gunz: The Duel has alot of short commings, especially with graphics, but is still enjoyable to play. Here's where I disagree with it. Zelda WW wouldn't have been as great if it never went for that particular style. That was a breath of fresh air for the series and I do hold it close to heart simply because of that. Loco Roco comes into mind too. I still think there's no clear definite answer.
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#103 ryan_returns29
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Graphics do matter, but it just depends how they are used. If every game were to have 'photorealistic graphics', it would all start feeling the same after a while. Some games work extremely well with not as good graphics, because it all just depends on the style of the game. I still find old-school games very fun to play today because of their gameplay and style, not because of their graphics.

Just think about it, in 20 years time, we will go back and play all the games we are playing today even though the graphics wont even be comparable to the standards then. Games, IMO, depend mostly on gameplay and style.
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#104 jackassultima
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Hardly anyone says "graphics don't matter". :roll: Alot of people say that "graphics don't matter as much as gameplay" - which is a true statement.HeedleGlavin
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#105 KingOfJersey
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I love gameplay Zelda A Link To The Past is still my most played game but graphics do matter its hard to go back when you got games out there that look like gears of war and motorstorm all that inner beauty video game stuff is funny would you get a chic that might have inner beauty like say whoopi goldberg or would you take a looker like jessica alba graphics do mean alot thats an element of the gameplay factor I mean every game can't look like they came off the Sega CD.
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#106 joeychew
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cows said the same when the PS2 was winning last genfarnham
PS2 has great graphics, look at GOW2, FF12, Resident evil4, Meatl gear3.......
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#107 coreygames
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art. 

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

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If you want to stop hearing it "over and over again", then people need to stop instegating it. Everytime a Wii game has images added in its folder, people feel the need to compare it to Gears of War or something like that Yes, graphics do show the advancement of technology and do provide the capability to immerse a player into the game more than a 32bit game could. But, I do think the Wii defies the statement "they sell consoles" considering the leap that people have formed between it and the 360/PS3. I feel more immersed in the game while sucked into the action more than staring at a piece of brush on the ground or a jaggy on a mug of tea. There is a lot that you can do with art direction, which usually shines through from limitation, not excess potential. And it is no ones fault that anyone bought a Wii, I feel sorry for anyone who bought a PS3 considering that it really doesn't have a game that truely totes (spelling please?) its power.
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#108 coreygames
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[QUOTE="farnham"]cows said the same when the PS2 was winning last genjoeychew
PS2 has great graphics, look at GOW2, FF12, Resident evil4, Meatl gear3.......

But you also have to admit that the others were better. The average buyer wants the most accessible platform, that is the Wii right now (much like how the PS2 was last gen.) considering the mass media positive coverage.
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#109 kauliaris711
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Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28
no,it`s YOUR fault u DIDN'T buy a wii....
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#110 YearoftheSnake5
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Graphics are important to a certain extent. Next generation, graphics will be at their peak if they don't manage to this gen. Then what?

Wii is about adding a new interface to games. Sure, graphics won't be as good as the PS3 or Xbox 360, but it will provide a new interface that will move the industry forward. If only graphics improve without a different interface, then the industry corrodes under its own inability to evolve.

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#112 PullTheTricker
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NVIDIA quote ''Graphics do matter'' http://wii.ign.com/articles/760/760643p1.html
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#113 Caviglia
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NVIDIA quote ''Graphics do matter'' http://wii.ign.com/articles/760/760643p1.htmlPullTheTricker

They make graphics technology, if people though graphics didn't matter they would be out of business.

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#114 PikaPichu
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Apparently, crap graphics are all that matters anymore to the sheep. Even if a game scores low because of its gameplay, sheep will still defend it saying, bu but but it's crap graphics make its gameplay that much better!! :lol:
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#115 mlbslugger86
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they don't,and whoever says otherwise is crazy.gameplay matter more than looks.

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#116 Brixtan
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[QUOTE="BigDizz"]

Yea, and WoW has become so popular because of it's amzing grahpics :roll:

You play games that are fun not pretty.

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true that

I believe the OP just got owned.
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#117 her0_54
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Graphics are important to a certain extent. Next generation, graphics will be at their peak if they don't manage to this gen. Then what?

Wii is about adding a new interface to games. Sure, graphics won't be as good as the PS3 or Xbox 360, but it will provide a new interface that will move the industry forward. If only graphics improve without a different interface, then the industry corrodes under its own inability to evolve.

YearoftheSnake5

It's a sad day when this is one of the least offensive posts in a thread, and actually compliments the fanboys...
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#119 subrosian
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prepare to be flamed by bitter sheep, you shallow gamer you 8)mangobear
"It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances."

No matter how much the "englightened" want to pretend otherwise, the two-hundred pound woman at Starbucks is not beautiful just because a sexy woman is buried underneath the flab. The hobo spouting psychotic nonsense from the gutter is not a "philosopher in the rough", and the unemployed middle-aged man living with his parents isn't a "free spirit" - he's a complete loser.

"Gameplay > Graphics" is a bull slogan by which we try and pretend that the Wii is something more than "Gamecube meets Radica plug-n-game" by claiming its magically more "fun" or has "gameplay" that the HD consoles don't. Look - if you can't afford a 360 / PS3, or you really feel the Wii is the right system for you ENJOY IT - but keep the worthless comments to yourself. The Wii isn't instantly better because it has motion sensing anymore than the 360 is "better" because it has HD-graphics. However, at the end of the day, every game can be improved by better graphics hardware, whereas motion-sensing doesn't improve most games.


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#120 her0_54
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I cringe whenever someone mentions the word "Graphics". C'mon people, your all better then this, this topic has been done to death. Ok, sheep, your console is not gonna have as great graphics as the other two, and don't even bring gameplay and graphics together unless your looking for a fight. Cows and Lemmings, the Wii can still have good graphics, the devs just have to work it out. Hermits, stop laughing at us from behind our backs. Now that all this has been said, lets stop beating the dead horse and go out for a beer.
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#121 Hir0_N
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Oh...so graphics sell consoles? Why is the PS3 failing so bad then? Graphics matter yes but it's NOT ALL that matters. The market has stayed the same for over a decade and you think graphics is going to bring more new gamers? You re totally wrong. Thats why Nintendo made something new to actually EXPAND the market. TC is a real dumass.
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#122 subrosian
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I cringe whenever someone mentions the word "Graphics". C'mon people, your all better then this, this topic has been done to death. Ok, sheep, your console is not gonna have as great graphics as the other two, and don't even bring gameplay and graphics together unless your looking for a fight. Cows and Lemmings, the Wii can still have good graphics, the devs just have to work it out. Hermits, stop laughing at us from behind our backs. Now that all this has been said, lets stop beating the dead horse and go out for a beer.her0_54
Beer is about the only thing that would improve the Wii graphically. This isn't the developers fault - you're asking them to take games like Oblivion and Fear - games that were built with the assumption that we'd have graphics hardware that only became mainstream recently - and do something similar on the Wii - only develop a revolutionary interaction system with the Wiimote, oh and try and make the graphics work on essentially $150 worth of hardware instead of your usual $250 for-the-graphics-card-alone. I frankly don't believe in miracles.

Oh...so graphics sell consoles? Why is the PS3 failing so bad then? Graphics matter yes but it's NOT ALL that matters. The market has stayed the same for over a decade and you think graphics is going to bring more new gamers? You re totally wrong. Thats why Nintendo made something new to actually EXPAND the market.

TC is a real dumass.Hir0_N


Expanding the market doesn't mean that what they create will be right for *gamers*... Adam Sandler movies "expand" the movie audience - that doesn't mean they've created the right product for film lovers. What benefit does your true film fan have from his catered table at the indie theater being taken over by some sloppy sod who orders budweiser instead of merlot with his movies?
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#123 Nex_Ownage
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That phrase is used much more by the lems/cows than sheep..:?...
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#124 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Pangster007"]My views: Early on in videogames, graphics mattered a lot, gameplay was completely changed by the abilities of the machines then. Most note-worthy point in time was the transition from 2D to 3D. As time goes on, each increment in graphical power is less important than the previous. The real argument is whether that increment in power today is worth the extra eye-candy. The leap from 2D to 3D changed gaming itself. In this generation, we are moving from 3D to 3D. Sony says that the next generation is 4D (?), but my take on this is that 4D means immersion. Immersion is a difficult thing to grasp, more than one factor determines immersion. Graphics come into play, but so does the art style, story, emotions, and even the input method. Yes, the motion controller can actually make gaming more immersive.

That's what I'm always telling people, but they don't listen. Graphics no longer improve gameplay. They improve the game, true, but they don't improve the gameplay, and that is what matters the most.
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#125 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]NVIDIA quote ''Graphics do matter'' http://wii.ign.com/articles/760/760643p1.htmlCaviglia
They make graphics technology, if people though graphics didn't matter they would be out of business.

:lol: Never listen to something unless you know who is saying it.
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#126 Sinheart
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i remember back in 2001 when ps2 fanboys were saying graphics don't matter during the release of xbox and gamecube. now it seems reversed... wii and 360 fanboys are saying graphics don't matter
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#127 curono
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No. Look at the graphs is the cliche of the year. Graphics dont matter was seen  daily in jan. But right now, it is being pushed by " the artwork" PS3 delivers.

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#128 Nedemis
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seriously I don't get why you think graphics matter that much. I have a great PC, 360, Xbox, DS and the Wii and all that matters to me first and fore most is whether or not I actually enjoy the game. If the game has great graphics to boot, then that's just great, but if the game has great graphics but a very shallow story with mediocre gameplay, I could care less to ever touch that game again. Regardless of how great it looked. :|
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#129 Nedemis
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[QUOTE="Sinheart"]i remember back in 2001 when ps2 fanboys were saying graphics don't matter during the release of xbox and gamecube. now it seems reversed... wii and 360 fanboys are saying graphics don't matter



why would we be saying that when the GPU is more powerful in the 360 than the RSX in the PS3.  Not only that,  but the RAM in the PS3 leaves something to be desired when in order to use the MAX amount possible means huge bottlenecking.
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#130 dragonsack
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i think everyone need to stop looking at graphics and start looking at the art which will become the graphics of the game!!!! if you were to make like a toystory game i dont think anyone would use a realsitic look to it... so i think the art of the game is what make the graphic of the game in the end!!! lol and the engine it use too :P
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#131 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="Sinheart"]i remember back in 2001 when ps2 fanboys were saying graphics don't matter during the release of xbox and gamecube. now it seems reversed... wii and 360 fanboys are saying graphics don't matter



why would we be saying that when the GPU is more powerful in the 360 than the RSX in the PS3.  Not only that,  but the RAM in the PS3 leaves something to be desired when in order to use the MAX amount possible means huge bottlenecking.

Because the Sheep are actually saying "Graphics don't matter... as much as gameplay"
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#132 SecretPolice
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            Color TV does'nt matter I can live with black and white LMAO. I mean heck it's all about the content; shame on some of us for demanding both as though we should expect that ! Sheeeeeesh ! I need to lower my expectations because "N" is the innovation company, oh please. 
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#133 Master_Hermes
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I have never heard "graphics don't matter" from anyone, what I have heard is gameplay is more important than graphics.

If you can't see the difference or think those statements have the same message than you have the mental capacity of a chick pea.
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#134 -JayWong-
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28


Truer words have never been spoken...


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#135 -JayWong-
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I have never heard "graphics don't matter" from anyone, what I have heard is gameplay is more important than graphics.

If you can't see the difference or think those statements have the same message than you have the mental capacity of a chick pea.
Master_Hermes


I dont know which SW you've been in, but if you've been here since the Wii's announcement..."graphics dont mattr" has been said a record amount of times.  And yes, that EXACT statement.
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#136 Ironblindfold
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Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28

You're absolutely right, most of us bought a Wii, and are enjoying it, good graphics or not. It is however, not our faults that you ask yourself when you wake up "Why have fun playing video games, when I can be perfectly misreable?"
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#137 geist117
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I've seen "wait and see" and "rumble=last gen" more than " graphics doesn't matter". Infact I hardly see "graphics doesn't matter" from sheep so much as "gameplay>graphics" which is right in every great games case.

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#138 gamenux
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28
The the new cliche should be "Its not my fault you bought a ### " (wii, 360, ps3) lol
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#139 her0_54
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This thread is still going? Stop beating the dead horse people! You're making my faith in humanity hit rock bottom, and I'm sure I'm not the only one! Geeze, is this thread ever going to die?
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#140 colmusterd28
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[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

kauliaris711

no,it`s YOUR fault u DIDN'T buy a wii....

why so I can be dissapointed with the lousy graphics, gimmicky controls, or the inevitably of a crap game library...

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#141 winner-ps3
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art. 

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28

between 360 and ps3 grafix wont matter as much, they all look great! but i think it never did ps2 won with the worst grafix out of three (DC and xbox)