"It's official. RIP disc based Single Player games" - Cliffy B.

Earlier today I saw this Tweet from Cliffy B.:

"http://aol.it/itAtNF It's official. RIP disc based Single Player games that are less than 20+ hours in length."

What he's referring to is the fact that RedBox is going nationwide with their $2 game rentals which would in turn be a huge blow to the industry's new game sales. I was wondering what everyone else thought of this. How much damage could this do? I know Cliffy is known for cracking jokes, but he actually makes a good point. With devs making less money they could just stop caring all together and the quality of future games will be compromised. The only way they'd be able to make a decent amount of money back would be to ditch the disc and go all digital. With people flocking around the redbox to grab the latest games for a couple bucks a night this will probably make thePirateBay look like a charity organization.

So what you guys think? Are rentals and used games become the new industry killers or what? You think they will be getting rid of discs soon? Or is Cliffy just being paranoid?

not a problem for PC

You think they will be getting rid of discs soon?

MrSelf-Destruct

No.

Or is Cliffy just being paranoid?

MrSelf-Destruct

Yes.

Cliffy is just being paranoid. The recession is RIP console games, the used gaming market is RIP console games, the everything is RIP console games...and yet, games keep selling in extremely high volume, and huge titles keep getting pushed out.

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HaloinventedFPS

would be funny if Epic come back to PC because of pre-owned/rentals hurting their sales on consoles, than 5 years later they go back to consoles because of piracy, rinse and repeat

Has anything that has come out of his mouth ever been true this generation?

Hmmm, I would try it out since my local blockbuster shut down.Jack-o-Thompson

Next gen console will probably use better online services, a lot like steam! Perhaps it actually will be steam. I guess they can implement game rental services trough that as well. Probably the same for another generation and i'm pretty damn sure services like OnLive will start to get really big by then.

Right now Cliffy is paranoid.

Has anything that has come out of his mouth ever been true this generation?

Vesica_Prime

would be funny if Epic come back to PC because of pre-owned/rentals hurting their sales on consoles, than 5 years later they go back to consoles because of piracy, rinse and repeat

HaloinventedFPS

Easy solution: devs, some devs, stop being greedy and lazy. Stop making annual rehashes with less than ten hours of gameplay and charging $60 a pop for them.

Easy solution: devs, some devs, stop being greedy and lazy. Stop making annual rehashes with less than ten hours of gameplay and charging $60 a pop for them.

Bigboi500

first people have to stop buying them

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HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

not a problem for PC

DragonfireXZ95

Gamefly has been around for sometime now and I havent seen any devs complaining that this Rental Serviceis causing any harm

Well, I know that when games are good, I buy them to actually 'own' them. When a sequel to an awesome game comes out, I absolutely buy them without even trying them sometimes... usually doesn't bite me in the butt. Anyways, Digital will happen only and ONLY if download caps are not imposed everywhere. Currently Canadas download limits with the major carriers would only allow for a 1-2 game per month limit, and I don't see developers flocking to that just yet.

Well, I know that when games are good, I buy them to actually 'own' them. When a sequel to an awesome game comes out, I absolutely buy them without even trying them sometimes... usually doesn't bite me in the butt. Anyways, Digital will happen only and ONLY if download caps are not imposed everywhere. Currently Canadas download limits with the major carriers would only allow for a 1-2 game per month limit, and I don't see developers flocking to that just yet.

Phazevariance

we've had download quotas in australia since the dawn of time - it isn't anything new, and steam is doing fine here.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Easy solution: devs, some devs, stop being greedy and lazy. Stop making annual rehashes with less than ten hours of gameplay and charging $60 a pop for them.

Firebird-5

first people have to stop buying them

I'm always reading or hearing about someone who bought the latest CoD game and then trades it in for store credit a month or less later. Doing that is such a waste of money. Now they can rent it, beat the campaign in a few hours, pay a dollar a day for a week and get their fill of the MP, and then return it. If enough people do this, Activision and some other devs will have to re-think their strategies, and hopefully add some more value that would actually match that $60 price tag.

Heck maybe Redbox going national is actually a good thing in the end for gamers. :D

Has anything that has come out of his mouth ever been true this generation?

Vesica_Prime

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Has anything that has come out of his mouth ever been true this generation?

nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="Jack-o-Thompson"]Hmmm, I would try it out since my local blockbuster shut down.MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="Jack-o-Thompson"]Hmmm, I would try it out since my local blockbuster shut down.-Renegade

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HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Easy solution: devs, some devs, stop being greedy and lazy. Stop making annual rehashes with less than ten hours of gameplay and charging $60 a pop for them.

Bigboi500

first people have to stop buying them

I'm always reading or hearing about someone who bought the latest CoD game and then trades it in for store credit a month or less later. Doing that is such a waste of money. Now they can rent it, beat the campaign in a few hours, pay a dollar a day for a week and get their fill of the MP, and then return it. If enough people do this, Activision and some other devs will have to re-think their strategies, and hopefully add some more value that would actually match that $60 price tag.

Heck maybe Redbox going national is actually a good thing in the end for gamers. :D

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

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WilliamRLBaker

Oh no, single player-only games will be really cheap to rent! This is really going to kill Skyrim's sales, right?

Oh wait, single player games with great replay value are guaranteed to sell. Sure, RedBox may put the squeeze on developers that produce games that are only worthy of being rented (hello there Kane & Lynch 2) but those that make games worth buying and keeping close to your heart won't be affected.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

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WilliamRLBaker

Well, they'll probably put in a code you have to enter for MP and SP! :D CD-keys for consoles? Hahaaha, I laugh at that.DragonfireXZ95

There's already CD keys for consoles. I saw one in the MK9 case as well as the fifa case :P.

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Well, they'll probably put in a code you have to enter for MP and SP! :D CD-keys for consoles? Hahaaha, I laugh at that.Espada12

There's already CD keys for consoles. I saw one in the MK9 case as well as the fifa case :P.

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

Well, they'll probably put in a code you have to enter for MP and SP! :D CD-keys for consoles? Hahaaha, I laugh at that.DragonfireXZ95

There's already CD keys for consoles. I saw one in the MK9 case as well as the fifa case :P.

Nah just MP, still Cd keys were pretty much used for MP on PC! Ironically all this talk of console gaming dying is lulz.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

first people have to stop buying them

DragonfireXZ95

I'm always reading or hearing about someone who bought the latest CoD game and then trades it in for store credit a month or less later. Doing that is such a waste of money. Now they can rent it, beat the campaign in a few hours, pay a dollar a day for a week and get their fill of the MP, and then return it. If enough people do this, Activision and some other devs will have to re-think their strategies, and hopefully add some more value that would actually match that $60 price tag.

Heck maybe Redbox going national is actually a good thing in the end for gamers. :D

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

There's already CD keys for consoles. I saw one in the MK9 case as well as the fifa case :P.

Espada12

Nah just MP, still Cd keys were pretty much used for MP on PC! Ironically all this talk of console gaming dying is lulz.

Who said console gaming was dying? If it seems I've implied such a crazy notion at all then I apologize. We're talking about things changing, not dying. MrSelf-Destruct

Meant cliffy :P.

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]Who said console gaming was dying? If it seems I've implied such a crazy notion at all then I apologize. We're talking about things changing, not dying. Espada12

Meant cliffy :P.

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

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deltamirage

You get used to him flogging anti-PC propaganda at every chance.

[QUOTE="deltamirage"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] except that mmo's, flash portal games and social site facebook games make more money then the retail and digital distribution area of the pc market.

Vesica_Prime

You get used to him flogging anti-PC propaganda at every chance.

Actually its a fact. But I'll explain. cliffy b is worried about cheap little simple games taking over the industry because they are cheap and people want cheap in this recessionist world climate. Mmo's are casual games *by hermits own words* and are to be hated, Flash portal games are usually free, and facebook social gaming site stuff ususally costs pennies *as well confirmed fact hermits decried them at one time as to be hated* Now when PC gaming retail and Digital distribution was being outstriped badly by Just console gaming retail Hermits decided flash portal, mmo, and social website games were worthy to be added to their sales charts thus giving them the ability to outstripe consoel sales *by like 3% by the way*. So I brought up that since one person believes cheap simple games could never become dominate in the PC arena.. mmo's, flash portal games, social game sites...Therefor showing that yes..it actually can happen to PC gaming.

Tweets are not allways facts, or true opinions by the person.

Stop being so serious SW.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

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WilliamRLBaker

except that mmo's, flash portal games and social site facebook games make more money then the retail and digital distribution area of the pc market.

Yet Steam is still reporting double profits every year.

Still not a prob for PC.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

not a problem for PC

WilliamRLBaker

What does that matter when Digital + retail on Pc is STILL larger than any single console? And what does it matter when digital on PC continue to grow?

Microsoft makes a LOT more money from other parts of it's business aside from xbox 360. Does that render what the xbox 360 brings in meaningless?

The logic does not follow.

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[QUOTE="deltamirage"] I don't see what you're getting at?WilliamRLBaker

You get used to him flogging anti-PC propaganda at every chance.

Actually its a fact. But I'll explain. cliffy b is worried about cheap little simple games taking over the industry because they are cheap and people want cheap in this recessionist world climate. Mmo's are casual games *by hermits own words* and are to be hated, Flash portal games are usually free, and facebook social gaming site stuff ususally costs pennies *as well confirmed fact hermits decried them at one time as to be hated* Now when PC gaming retail and Digital distribution was being outstriped badly by Just console gaming retail Hermits decided flash portal, mmo, and social website games were worthy to be added to their sales charts thus giving them the ability to outstripe consoel sales *by like 3% by the way*. So I brought up that since one person believes cheap simple games could never become dominate in the PC arena.. mmo's, flash portal games, social game sites...Therefor showing that yes..it actually can happen to PC gaming.

Sure, made-up invisible Hermits who haven't played Everquest, EVE Online and other MMOs that aren't WoW.

[QUOTE="Jack-o-Thompson"]Hmmm, I would try it out since my local blockbuster shut down.MrSelf-Destruct

Umm. No.

Ever heard of VIDEO ON DEMAND? NETFLIX? DIGITAL CABLE? $5 DVD's?

I think all of the later had infinitely more impact on Blackbuster than Redbox. Redbox is just taking the window opened by Blockbuster by capitalizing on the "lowest common denominator" of movie rentals, physical media, etc. Essentially because of each of the above factors, the business model of a full retail store for movie rentals was dead. All that could be sustained for rentails is a "kiosk" with minimal operating expenses. Redbox moved into that niche, and basically that's now a business that the remnants of blockbuster are going to try and move in to. Eventually even the kiosk is a dead concept as everything will be digital.

Isn't that great though?