"It's official. RIP disc based Single Player games" - Cliffy B.

I think Cliffy B is overestimating the collective intelligence of the human race, this gen we have seen plenty of games with crap short SP content sell well (just look at the first GoW) and its not like rentals are a new idea. This could be a good thing anyway, the two HD console feel very stale now and we would do with a shake up.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

not a problem for PC

WilliamRLBaker

I think Cliffy B is overestimating the collective intelligence of the human race, this gen we have seen plenty of games with crap short SP content sell well (just look at the first GoW) and its not like rentals are a new idea. This could be a good thing anyway, the two HD console feel very stale now and we would do with a shake up.

SapSacPrime

You are saying the Redbox will kill sales? As far as I know, renting has gotten less and less popular over the years, and 2 bucks a day is not exactly a good price. That means it is 4 bucks for 2 days which is on the more expensive side when compared to stores I used to rent from. I know I won't be using it, and honestly I do not see it affecting much.

Gamefly has been around for sometime now and I havent seen any devs complaining that this Rental Serviceis causing any harm

ImSwordMan

Also, rental services pay more than retail for a rental licenced copy of a game. If Redbox expanded game rental to nationwide, they'd be buying a lot more rental copies of games in order to be able to fill their boxes. Sure they lose some retail sales, but let's be real. The people who are renting games for $2 a night probably wouldn't be buying all those games for $60 each anyway, and in some cases, someone who wouldn't have bought it, might try it for $2 and like it enough to go buy it.

Redbox has junk selection, and you'll end up paying $4-6 to actually play the game. Places like Hollywood Video and Blockbuster have game plans that let you rent a game, take it home and find out it sucks, and bring it back for another 1hr. later. Not to mention Gamefly and Blockbuster Online.

Anyway, from the PS2-era going back most games didn't have an online MP component, and rentals never killed them off.

this is NOT good for the gaming industry obvious but at the same time there isnt going to be "good" games in redbox

Well he cant make uncharted, thats his problem.dakan45

Great news, the more options the better for the industry. Making games more accessible will grow the gaming business.

Maybe if they lowered the price of retail games people would buy them more, especially when publishers like to release all the good games around the same time. Even last week we saw Portal 2, MK9, and Socom 4, all come out on the same day. I'm sure there are people that were interested in all 3, but who is going to go and spend $180 all at once? Most people probably bought 1 or 2 and will wait for the others to either drop in price or pick them up used somewhere. If games were around $40, more poeple would buy games and notn rent

I remember renting 3 SNES games for a week, for $7 back in the day.

I don't think enough people have internet connections fast enough to download full games yet.

But if developers really want us to buy instead of trade or rent, they should make their games worth the price of admission. I'm not paying $60 for a 5-8 hour game. I will pay it for 20+ hour game, though.

Cry more. First piracy, then rentals.

Next he'll be crying that not all games charge a monthly fee to play online mmo style.

Also, like it's so much to ask devs to make more than a 5 hours campaign.

Bout time they have games for rent at a cheap price. This will only boost the games industry. I don't know how many times I seen 5+ people standing in line to grab movies. Plus the fact that like everyone takes them all.

It will let gamers have a trail of the game. If they like it... They will buy it. I know I would plunk down $2 for a day with a game... To see whether or not it's worth 30 times that amount.

Sucky thing is... There were about 5 redboxes and now there is only 1... Because everyone uses Block Buster now.

If single player dies then so does gaming.

Cliffy doesn't understand that people pay for things they put value in. If you make a game that's only worth $20 bucks and charge $60, of course you're going to be in trouble when there are 99 cent games.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Easy solution: devs, some devs, stop being greedy and lazy. Stop making annual rehashes with less than ten hours of gameplay and charging $60 a pop for them.

Firebird-5

first people have to stop buying them

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Easy solution: devs, some devs, stop being greedy and lazy. Stop making annual rehashes with less than ten hours of gameplay and charging $60 a pop for them.

first people have to stop buying them

Yeah, Cliffy B's just trippin'....

I really don't know where some devs get the idea of thinking the rental industry is killing some sort of aspect of SP (or any) gaming. Clearly, most of these people must not have any concept on how the rental industry works. See, unlike the 'used game resale' market publishers actually do make a profit off them as many companies like Netflix, RedBox, BB, etc. actually pay publishers of games money for large-volumes of rental inventory & for each time someone rents those titles. a percentage of that is given back to the publishers.It's no different then how the movie/tv industry profit off of movie rentals & pay-per-view. And we can all see Hollywood ain't hurtin', right?

Besides, if someone rents a game & they end up really enjoying it (whether play it to completion while renting it or not), then you've more than like earned yourself a new paying customer, as they will be more inclined to buy that said game. Only way disc-based SP games die is if a dev makes it like crap. So bottom line: don't make s****y SP games & people will gladly buy them; do make them & you're only shooting yourself in the foot.

Sounds like Cliffy needs to stop sounding off on industries that he has no knowledge on and stick to what he knows in the game making side of things.

[QUOTE="Jack-o-Thompson"]Hmmm, I would try it out since my local blockbuster shut down.MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="Jack-o-Thompson"]Hmmm, I would try it out since my local blockbuster shut down.poovannaorcbane

"Mr. Blezenski, you have a phone call on line one. It's Shigeru Miyamoto, sir. He'd like to have a word with you."

[QUOTE="poovannaorcbane"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Well, that's one thing the Redbox has already destroyed. I had two Blockbusters by my house and they are both gone but we got a Blockbuster kiosk that looks like the Redbox ones sitting out in front of K-mart (another relic that refuses to die). lolMrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="poovannaorcbane"] hey i am new here !!! whats blockbuster u reffering to and red box ?? ianuilliam

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

not a problem for PC

WilliamRLBaker

Physical media will always be king in my book.

Red Box Rental actually sounds great. My old College had "Gamefly Rental box" that I used all the time my Sophomore year. The spread of this may actually encourage devs to actually add more depth to their games.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Blockbuster and Redbox are movie rental services. One is new and popular while the other is slowly dying.

MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="deltamirage"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] except that mmo's, flash portal games and social site facebook games make more money then the retail and digital distribution area of the pc market.

Vesica_Prime

You get used to him flogging anti-PC propaganda at every chance.

More like anti-everything that isn't an Xbox360. Kind of like my 8 year old cousin.

Before everyone starts pointing fingers at gaming's favorite whipping boy, Call of Duty, keep in mind that it's not a very good daily rental.

If you plan on playing the multiplayer for a few hundred hours (which literally millions do), then you're going to be buying the game, not renting it.

More companies are just going to include multiplayer codes.

I wanted to rent Homefront from redbox, but I thought it would be pretty stupid if I needed a multiplayer code.

That said, I've probably already rented 5 or so games from redbox. It is a really good service for helping me identify games that I would actually want to buy.

For the most part, 1 day is not enough for me to beat a single-player game though. I go to blockbuster for to rent single-player games because I need 3-5 days to beat those.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Well he cant make uncharted, thats his problem.eboyishere

He was probably joking. :|

I didn't know singleplayer only games that were less than 20 hours still existed nowdays. In fact, the only singleplayer only games that have released recently that I can think of are God of War, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fallout, and the Elder Scrolls games, and all of those are well over 20 hours. Cliffy B's several years late, singleplayer games have been dead for quite a while.

Make better games that are worth the $60 price tag.

enuff said.

But unfortunately, that's in LaLa Land.