"Lair cannot be done on 360" - Discuss

well I think this looks good. no pop up.

carsales

The original Far crys draw in distance was 1.2km with 20 or more enimies on screen as well / thread.htekemerald

*yawn* does anyone read these days? i said DIFFERENT.

20 eneimes is nothing, thats last gen for you.

And yet, we had Epic saying that Gears could not be done on PS3. Remember how many threads that spawned?

Take whatever developers say with a grain of salt if their titles are console exclusives.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

just like DMC4 couldn't be done right?

and how Factor5 said it's easier to port from ps3 to 360 because the 360 is more flexible.

 

Koalakommander

who said DMC4 couldn't be done on 360? if you haven't looked at the screens, the game doesn't look all that impressive (graphics wise). GS even said it was not meeting next-gen standards for graphics on one of their hands-on.

the dev did back when it was only a ps3 title.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/730/730818p1.html

"Itsuno also shared some details on how the game is tapping the power of the PS3. The visuals attempt to deliver a satisfying feel of being in the air. Nero's right arm actions are, according to Itsuno, something that could not be done on current machines. "

this was back in 9/06. the 360 was out for almost a year already and they still claimed that. that's why devs you have to take everything a dev says the a grain of salt. they are under pressure from the publishers to hype their game. of course they are going to say that it's awesome and if it's exclusive then they'll say it'll do things that can't be done on other systems too. it's just marketing.

You contradicted yourself :lol:

and what do you know about Pre-Alpha stages and stuff? The dev himself said it was Prealpha, a game can be optimized at any time and vamped up near the end to, so you - clueless.

RazMaTaz-1

No, no i didn't. :| If you actually READ my post, i said Halo 3 runs on the Halo 3 engine, after you claimed it was a vamped halo 2 engine. That is correct. I said the footage shown in the vidoc, was running on a modified halo 2 engine; as it's months old.

So thank you for making a fool of yourself there. As for the rest of the post, link me to the "dev himself" saying Lair is currently in a pre-alpha build.

I know the link isn't coming, as that's nonsense. And you call me clueless. Funny.

Yeah just like Capcom said that DMC4 couldn't have bee done on 360. Good thing they decided to make it multiplatform on 360 because they would have been laughed to death at by Team Ninja when Ninja Gaiden 2 comes out.

Capcom, "DMC4 can only be done on PS3."

Tecmo, "I'm then why does our Ninja Gaiden 2 look so much better? Hell why does our remake of an xbox game look better?"

Moral of the story. Don't listen to devs anything on 360 can be done on PS3 and vice versa. Cows you guys claimed that Itagaki was a freaking Saint because he was real about developers complaining about PS3 architecture now you're just being hypocritical about it. If the dev is talented enough he can make the game for each system, period end of discussion. Sure there might be some minor differences but more or less they will be the same.

Blackbond

Itagaki is an Xbox lover. Hayashi proved him wrong by saying taht anyone who thinks developing for PS3 is difficult doesnt know what they are on about.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]The original Far crys draw in distance was 1.2km with 20 or more enimies on screen as well / thread.RazMaTaz-1

*yawn* does anyone read these days? i said DIFFERENT.

20 eneimes is nothing, thats last gen for you.

Let me get this straight - did he seriously just say the current build-state of Lair is pre-alpha build, yet it's releasing in two months? Do these people even know what the words they're using mean? Ninja-Vox

Ever thought the game could get delayed? Did you not see how Motorstorm improved over a 3 month gap? It looks hell loads better.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

 

dimar19

 You own nothing. Nobody who own X360 will never hype crap looking Lair, it's just laughable after Gears, Crackdown and so on. 

Self pwned if you think that Crackdown graphics were good :lol:

Dont believe me, my Xbox Live name is "IFR1T". I like all consoles, its the game i like to nit pick on.

When a developer says that a game cannot run on one system, they mean that in it's current state it couldn't because it was coded specifically to take advantage of one consoles strengths and limitations. Meaning it couldn't be done on the other consoles unless it was completely re-coded with the other consoles strenghts and weaknesses in mind.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Let me get this straight - did he seriously just say the current build-state of Lair is pre-alpha build, yet it's releasing in two months? Do these people even know what the words they're using mean? RazMaTaz-1

Ever thought the game could get delayed? Did you not see how Motorstorm improved over a 3 month gap? It looks hell loads better.

Downgraded to 720p @ 30fps, but yeah...it does look better. 

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Let me get this straight - did he seriously just say the current build-state of Lair is pre-alpha build, yet it's releasing in two months? Do these people even know what the words they're using mean? RazMaTaz-1

Ever thought the game could get delayed? Did you not see how Motorstorm improved over a 3 month gap? It looks hell loads better.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even know what an alpha build is? Sure, let's take your idea that it'll get delayed. In order to still be in "pri-alpha (sic)" as you said, it would have to be delayed by at  LEAST six months.

none of this games are coming to the wii

we win!

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Let me get this straight - did he seriously just say the current build-state of Lair is pre-alpha build, yet it's releasing in two months? Do these people even know what the words they're using mean? Ninja-Vox

Ever thought the game could get delayed? Did you not see how Motorstorm improved over a 3 month gap? It looks hell loads better.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even know what an alpha build is? Sure, let's take your idea that it'll get delayed. In order to still be in "pri-alpha (sic)" as you said, it would have to be delayed by at  LEAST six months.

Care to explain to me how a game like motorstorm looked so much better within such little time?

Oh, heres the footage where he says its pre alpha.

http://uk.media.games.ign.com/articles/693/693580/vid_1962006.html

[QUOTE="dimar19"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

 

RazMaTaz-1

 You own nothing. Nobody who own X360 will never hype crap looking Lair, it's just laughable after Gears, Crackdown and so on. 

Self pwned if you think that Crackdown graphics were good :lol:

Dont believe me, my Xbox Live name is "IFR1T". I like all consoles, its the game i like to nit pick on.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Let me get this straight - did he seriously just say the current build-state of Lair is pre-alpha build, yet it's releasing in two months? Do these people even know what the words they're using mean? thinicer

Ever thought the game could get delayed? Did you not see how Motorstorm improved over a 3 month gap? It looks hell loads better.

Downgraded to 720p @ 30fps, but yeah...it does look better. 

720p is the second best resolution out there, and theres minority difference between that and 1080p. 30FPS, not bothered about, still ran great.

Graphically it looked better however in a short period of time.

When a developer says that a game cannot run on one system, they mean that in it's current state it couldn't because it was coded specifically to take advantage of one consoles strengths and limitations. Meaning it couldn't be done on the other consoles unless it was completely re-coded with the other consoles strenghts and weaknesses in mind.

TyrantDragon55

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="dimar19"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

 

heretrix

 You own nothing. Nobody who own X360 will never hype crap looking Lair, it's just laughable after Gears, Crackdown and so on. 

Self pwned if you think that Crackdown graphics were good :lol:

Dont believe me, my Xbox Live name is "IFR1T". I like all consoles, its the game i like to nit pick on.

car detail, building detail, all lacklustre. Even though it was stylized, which was noticable, they could atleast make the car detail and buildings detailed.

Motion sensing controls? No. Graphics? Absolute nonsense. Of course the 360 could do it.Ninja-Vox

So what, you know better than Factor 5? People should realise that F5 aren't in Sony's pocket, they would have continued to
develop on Nintendo systems had Nintendo not have been so hazy on what the Wii was going to be. They went to MS, who 
wanted HD games and  technology pushed but not to the extent of Sony so they signed a deal with Sony to make games for
them. They didn't have to say it couldn't be done on the 360, they weren't paid to, it's just what they decided to say. 

Lair's background is empty.

acekall

truth.

 and everything on any system that "can't be done" on other systems are just developers blow smoke out their own  you know what and just saying  a bunch of technical terms that gamers don't even understand, when in reality all those technical achievements are just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

[QUOTE="acekall"]

Lair's background is empty.

FlawlessSeasons

truth.

 and everything on any system that "can't be done" on other systems are just developers blow smoke out their own  you know what and just saying  a bunch of technical terms that gamers don't even understand, when in reality all those technical achievements are just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

Nice, 1 screenshot desribes the WHOLE game doesnt it :lol:

http://www.gamevideos.com/download?videoId=10711&url=http%3a%2f%2fdownload.gamevideos.com%2f10711%2fgv.com.LairRampageGameplay_640x360.mov

[QUOTE="acekall"]

Lair's background is empty.

FlawlessSeasons

truth.

 and everything on any system that "can't be done" on other systems are just developers blow smoke out their own  you know what and just saying  a bunch of technical terms that gamers don't even understand, when in reality all those technical achievements are just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

I think it also refers to when you're flying around over all of the buildings/hills/water etc. 

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="acekall"]

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

Ninja-Vox

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

Halo 3 runs on it's own engine built from the ground-up for that game, like all bungie projects. Again, cows demonstrate that they dont have the slightest understanding of the things they bash so often.

:| Do you assume every person is a cow if they talk about a playstation game?

Ok, lets say if it is being from ground up, lets say it is still in Pre-Alpha stage to, the same can be said for Lair. Its Pri-Alpha, and its built from the ground up, and it shows what Next Gen really means. Halo3 however hasnt shown anything mindblowing, hell, it looks like Halo 2.

Lair never even had a pre-alpha build. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The footage shown of Halo 3 is from months ago; running on a modified halo 2 engine. The game now runs on the halo 3 engine, built specifically for this game; like all bungie projects.

The halo 3 BETA starts in a couple of weeks; yet the game isn't out for half a year. It is impossible for Lair to be in alpha, if it's out in two months. Impossible.

ign said it was in alpha still.. sooo... im gonna go with their word. 

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Let me get this straight - did he seriously just say the current build-state of Lair is pre-alpha build, yet it's releasing in two months? Do these people even know what the words they're using mean? RazMaTaz-1

Ever thought the game could get delayed? Did you not see how Motorstorm improved over a 3 month gap? It looks hell loads better.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even know what an alpha build is? Sure, let's take your idea that it'll get delayed. In order to still be in "pri-alpha (sic)" as you said, it would have to be delayed by at LEAST six months.

Care to explain to me how a game like motorstorm looked so much better within such little time?

Oh, heres the footage where he says its pre alpha.

http://uk.media.games.ign.com/articles/693/693580/vid_1962006.html

You're beginning to amaze me. When did i say it would look better? Where have i questioned the game's visual quality at all? You're responding to posts i haven't even made. I said it is impossible for this game to be in a pre-alpha build if it's coming out in eight weeks. Impossible. Alpha is the very first build of a game in it's development time. Like i said, bungie's beta starts in two weeks and it has six months left. Their alpha finished a good year before the game ships. It is impossible that Facor Five are still in alpha. Get me? Sheesh. 

And i watched your video; he doesn't even mention the build. And he says it's out in july, so your delay theory is out the window. 

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Motion sensing controls? No. Graphics? Absolute nonsense. Of course the 360 could do it.-voodoo_child-

So what, you know better than Factor 5? People should realise that F5 aren't in Sony's pocket, they would have continued to
develop on Nintendo systems had Nintendo not have been so hazy on what the Wii was going to be. They went to MS, who
wanted HD games and technology pushed but not to the extent of Sony so they signed a deal with Sony to make games for
them. They didn't have to say it couldn't be done on the 360, they weren't paid to, it's just what they decided to say.

He didn't even say that. He said the engine as it is now could only run on the PS3. Fanboys just take words out of context. I mean, look at the screens. Is it infinately better than the likes of Gears or Mass Effect? No, not at all. 

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="acekall"]

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

useLOGIC

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

Halo 3 runs on it's own engine built from the ground-up for that game, like all bungie projects. Again, cows demonstrate that they dont have the slightest understanding of the things they bash so often.

:| Do you assume every person is a cow if they talk about a playstation game?

Ok, lets say if it is being from ground up, lets say it is still in Pre-Alpha stage to, the same can be said for Lair. Its Pri-Alpha, and its built from the ground up, and it shows what Next Gen really means. Halo3 however hasnt shown anything mindblowing, hell, it looks like Halo 2.

Lair never even had a pre-alpha build. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The footage shown of Halo 3 is from months ago; running on a modified halo 2 engine. The game now runs on the halo 3 engine, built specifically for this game; like all bungie projects.

The halo 3 BETA starts in a couple of weeks; yet the game isn't out for half a year. It is impossible for Lair to be in alpha, if it's out in two months. Impossible.

ign said it was in alpha still.. sooo... im gonna go with their word.

No they said it was alpha, but very close to BETA, and made light of the fact that it was an older build and nicer screenshots would be released of the game's current build; which were. We've all seen the great new shots. The TC is saying it's "pre alpha" which is just nonsense. Two months away from launch? You're telling me they haven't got the FIRST build done, two months away from launch? 

"Viva Pinata can not be done on PS3"

Too heavy a demand on parallax mapping. You'll never see a game like that on the PS3. Ever.

wanna discuss that too? every system has pros and cons. move on.

Dreams-Visions

O yea? was that from Rare or your on observation?. I guess you must a be a developer? ah huh.. yup you gotta be1.

Self pwned if you think that Crackdown graphics were good :lol:RazMaTaz-1

 Self self owned

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]Self pwned if you think that Crackdown graphics were good :lol:dimar19

Self self owned

Um. really do cel-shaded games really count? I dunno most cel-shaded games always look good. wind waker, dq8, trusty bells, Shadow of Col, Okami... really doesnt matter what console its own 

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]Self pwned if you think that Crackdown graphics were good :lol:dimar19

 Self self owned

only the first image is decent, the rest are really meh.

you - fail.

*Draw Distance*

People already forgot about Crackdown ?

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]Self pwned if you think that Crackdown graphics were good :lol:dimar19

 Self self owned

i didnt know that crackdown looked that bad111v

Man, I thought PS3 games supposed to looks better then PS2 but I was wrong :D

[QUOTE="useLOGIC"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="acekall"]

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

Ninja-Vox

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

Halo 3 runs on it's own engine built from the ground-up for that game, like all bungie projects. Again, cows demonstrate that they dont have the slightest understanding of the things they bash so often.

:| Do you assume every person is a cow if they talk about a playstation game?

Ok, lets say if it is being from ground up, lets say it is still in Pre-Alpha stage to, the same can be said for Lair. Its Pri-Alpha, and its built from the ground up, and it shows what Next Gen really means. Halo3 however hasnt shown anything mindblowing, hell, it looks like Halo 2.

Lair never even had a pre-alpha build. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The footage shown of Halo 3 is from months ago; running on a modified halo 2 engine. The game now runs on the halo 3 engine, built specifically for this game; like all bungie projects.

The halo 3 BETA starts in a couple of weeks; yet the game isn't out for half a year. It is impossible for Lair to be in alpha, if it's out in two months. Impossible.

ign said it was in alpha still.. sooo... im gonna go with their word.

No they said it was alpha, but very close to BETA, and made light of the fact that it was an older build and nicer screenshots would be released of the game's current build; which were. We've all seen the great new shots. The TC is saying it's "pre alpha" which is just nonsense. Two months away from launch? You're telling me they haven't got the FIRST build done, two months away from launch?

I guess the TC just isn't responding to my posts anymore, after his video made no mention at all of the game's current build. :|

Pre-alpha, two months away from launch. :roll: 

I guess the TC just isn't responding to my posts anymore, after his video made no mention at all of the game's current build. :|

Pre-alpha, two months away from launch. :roll: 

Ninja-Vox

Im sure ther was a video where they mentioned it was Pre-Alpha. You think everyone(cows) would be saying this game is Pre alpha for no reason? na didnt think so.

Anyway, i will dig a link for that. I was comparing motorstorm as an example of how a game can be accelerated through graphics in such little time. The Final build of Lair(If in pre alpha) make look different, but at a minority difference.

[QUOTE="carsales"]

well I think this looks good. no pop up.

Squall_Griver

without the sixaxis, lair would be useless on the 360.
Koalakommander

its already useless

Who cares what you see on the screen? What matters is how much fun you have.JediMoogle

? 

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]without the sixaxis, lair would be useless on the 360.
wavebrid

its already useless

:roll: 

"Viva Pinata can not be done on PS3"

 Too heavy a demand on parallax mapping.  You'll never see a game like that on the PS3.  Ever.

wanna discuss that too?  every system has pros and cons.  move on.

Dreams-Visions

ZOMG. You havz teh logicz.

[QUOTE="111v"] i didnt know that crackdown looked that baddimar19

Man, I thought PS3 games supposed to looks better then PS2 but I was wrong :D

[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]without the sixaxis, lair would be useless on the 360.
kingyoto

its already useless

:roll: 

prove me wrong its a gimmick 1. it was added after wiiremote 2. this sixasis was in gbc :| 3. no rumble and still no rumble