"Sony won't invest heavily in Playstation 4"

[QUOTE="InfinityMugen"]

you knew what I meant...I was talking about quality 3rd party games... 360 and ps3 destroyed, in every sense of the word, the wii in 3rd arty offerings I ask myself, why would be that? If huge development costs "killed so many" 3rd party games for the 360 and ps3?Giancar

Um but 3rd parties are not succesful on the wii. It has sold more 3rd party games only for the pure fact it has had for more 3rd party titles come out for it( mostly trash shovelware that nobody knows about). As for blockbuster titles that have actually made 3rd pary companies money the Wii has been by far the worst console of the 3. Nobody would dare rely on the Wii to make profit for them on a 3rd party title.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="InfinityMugen"] You weren't specific about the subjective notion of quality, which is another topic altogether. Since you implied 3rd parties weren't successful on Wii, I had to interject. Maybe in terms of games you liked, but they didn't kill anything compared to 3rd party sales on Wii, where it sold the most. Since the PS2 era, a lot of the smaller to mid tier developers went under/ coudnt develop PS3/360 games. Factor 5 and Free Radical come to mind. To me this entrie gen felt it lacked the variety compared to previous ones. The HD consoles are for the big pubs and pc devs looking to make an extra buck. The comment about playing safe with shooters has merit because atm that's mostly what developers are focused on right now. It's this gens jrpg.

InfinityMugen

Um but 3rd parties are not succesful on the wii. It has sold more 3rd party games only for the pure fact it has had for more 3rd party titles come out for it( mostly trash shovelware that nobody knows about). As for blockbuster titles that have actually made 3rd pary companies money the Wii has been by far the worst console of the 3. Nobody would dare rely on the Wii to make profit for them on a 3rd party title.

Of course it does as game devlopment is far cheaper. It cost as much to make a wii game as it did to make last gen games.Let me give you an example. If the Wii sales 3 miley Cirus games a Barbie game and a dance game , each selling 100k a peace, that doesnt really hold a candle to say SF4 that goes and sells 3 million. So yes the Wii may have more 3rd party sales due to the fact it has lots of cheap games sell but you can count the 3rd party titles on 1 hand that broke the 2million mark.

[QUOTE="InfinityMugen"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Um but 3rd parties are not succesful on the wii. It has sold more 3rd party games only for the pure fact it has had for more 3rd party titles come out for it( mostly trash shovelware that nobody knows about). As for blockbuster titles that have actually made 3rd pary companies money the Wii has been by far the worst console of the 3. Nobody would dare rely on the Wii to make profit for them on a 3rd party title.

TheSterls

Of course it does as game devlopment is far cheaper. It cost as much to make a wii game as it did to make last gen games.Let me give you an example. If the Wii sales 3 miley Cirus games a Barbie game and a dance game , each selling 100k a peace, that doesnt really hold a candle to say SF4 that goes and sells 3 million. So yes the Wii may have more 3rd party sales due to the fact it has lots of cheap games sell but you can count the 3rd party titles on 1 hand that broke the million mark.

Edit: Ah, I see you changed your response from 1 million to 2 million. Way to move the goal posts, but it doesn't change anything.

sony, "dear fans: we just don't give a damn anymore."

They need to invest much and much more in psn... before ps4.ramonnl

sony, "dear fans: we just don't give a damn anymore."

KarateeeChop

>sony makes a high price for the ps3 with all the features

>people cry and complain

>ps4 will not cost nowhere as much, but will be slightly weaker than sony expected to keep the price low and devs happy

>people cry and complain

sony can't win no matter what.

>sony makes a high price for the ps3 with all the features

>people cry and complain

>ps4 will not cost nowhere as much, but will be slightly weaker than sony expected to keep the price low and devs happy

>people cry and complain

sony can't win no matter what.

dipsetboy17

A generation of Wii's, that'll be an interesting 5 years.

Doesn't matter. Naughty Dog and GG are pumping out graphics that rival top PC games, and this is done with crappy, outdated, poorly designed hardware. Imagine what they can do with some decent hardware?

Doesn't matter. Naughty Dog and GG are pumping out graphics that rival top PC games, and this is done with crappy, outdated, poorly designed hardware. Imagine what they can do with some decent hardware?

RawDeal_basic

They look great, but they don't rival top PC games, the visual difference between say TW2 and Crysis compared to UC2 and KZ3 is massive, and that difference will increase tenfold when BF3 and ArmA 3 are released. What the PS3 games lack in technical power they make up for with extreme amounts of polish and smooth animations, but that's a completely difference aspect.

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Doesn't matter. Naughty Dog and GG are pumping out graphics that rival top PC games, and this is done with crappy, outdated, poorly designed hardware. Imagine what they can do with some decent hardware?

They look great, but they don't rival top PC games, the visual difference between say TW2 and Crysis compared to UC2 and KZ3 is massive, and that difference will increase tenfold when BF3 and ArmA 3 are released. What the PS3 games lack in technical power they make up for with extreme amounts of polish and smooth animations, but that's a completely difference aspect.

SO glad I'm a ms supporter as Sony is failing its fansTimdoggamer

I think the context of the statement means that they will not be investing in PS4 as heavily in relation to how much they spent co-developing the Cell... in other words, they would look at more 'off-the-shelf' options that don't require another investment of over half a billion dollars... this has been hinted at before -- as a brand, I would think that they will continue to support the 'Playstation Brand' more than ever, especially if they can be profitable selling the new machines...

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Doesn't matter. Naughty Dog and GG are pumping out graphics that rival top PC games, and this is done with crappy, outdated, poorly designed hardware. Imagine what they can do with some decent hardware?

gaming25

They look great, but they don't rival top PC games, the visual difference between say TW2 and Crysis compared to UC2 and KZ3 is massive, and that difference will increase tenfold when BF3 and ArmA 3 are released. What the PS3 games lack in technical power they make up for with extreme amounts of polish and smooth animations, but that's a completely difference aspect.

In my experience, Metro 2033, Shattered Horizon, ArmA II (inconsistent, but true for the most part), Stalker: CoP(modded), Shogun/Empire Total War. Hell, I'd even go as far to say the PC versions of multiplats such as Just Cause 2 and to a lesser extent Mafia 2 beat out UC2 and KZ3 visually.

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Doesn't matter. Naughty Dog and GG are pumping out graphics that rival top PC games, and this is done with crappy, outdated, poorly designed hardware. Imagine what they can do with some decent hardware?

hypoty

They look great, but they don't rival top PC games, the visual difference between say TW2 and Crysis compared to UC2 and KZ3 is massive, and that difference will increase tenfold when BF3 and ArmA 3 are released. What the PS3 games lack in technical power they make up for with extreme amounts of polish and smooth animations, but that's a completely difference aspect.

Will we see more of a focus on better AI, as opposed to always making a system all about the graphics? And what's so special about enhancing the graphics so much when they are already at a point where they don't look that bad?

Just because they won't invest heavily in it doesn't mean it won't be good.

they greedy.

This means "PS3 heavily". They don't need to develop new tech for the PS4. No new "revolutionary" processor and disc drive. They can still get a powerfull console out of it by working with other chip makers.

[QUOTE="Timdoggamer"]SO glad I'm a ms supporter as Sony is failing its fansrasengan2552

If they just upgrade the graphics chip and maybe use a dual core cell chip then Sony will be fine. They don't need a new CPU architecture or new technologies in the ps4. Blu-ray is here to stay so Sony will still use that as the disc format. I was one of the people that made the plunge on the console when it was 599. I will say, I won't be doing that again. As much as I love the playstation brand, I'd rather use 599 to invest in some PC parts. If the system is maybe 399 to start, then I will take the plunge on the ps4. 599 was imo too much for a console.

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Doesn't matter. Naughty Dog and GG are pumping out graphics that rival top PC games, and this is done with crappy, outdated, poorly designed hardware. Imagine what they can do with some decent hardware?

They look great, but they don't rival top PC games, the visual difference between say TW2 and Crysis compared to UC2 and KZ3 is massive, and that difference will increase tenfold when BF3 and ArmA 3 are released. What the PS3 games lack in technical power they make up for with extreme amounts of polish and smooth animations, but that's a completely difference aspect.

Considering how much they lost on the PS3, is it really any surprise? If I spent ungodly amounts of money, research, and work designing a new CPU, trying to hurry along a new storage medium so it could be included, and the resulting product didn't start turning a profit by the first year...I'd be right pissed. Smart move on their part, if not predictable.

To be fair the 360 and PS3 have aged. They don't really need to spend that much to create vastly superior hardware at this point. One of the benefits of dragging out this console generation.vashkey

[QUOTE="Timdoggamer"]SO glad I'm a ms supporter as Sony is failing its fansrasengan2552

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sony-wont-make-massive-investment-in-ps4/

This is very disappointing if true