RAGE - best looking game on consoles will be best on X360

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Sure it would have. There is a difference between technically advanced and looking good. When you're at E3, you're not out and about counting polygons and observing texture resolutions, you look at games. and because U2 is very linear, it has the capability to "look" better.

organic_machine

Bingo. Best looking game =/= the most advanced technically. There are many key factors.

I know. There is no contest technically. Rage destroys Uncharted 2. The id Tech 5 is nothing short of genius. The fact that they can render such unbelievable textures without any hit on performance is mindblowing, and the fact that it gives developers tools to easily create elaborate maps within hours is stunning. id Tech 5 is probably the best engine on consoles.

And yet the 'best engine on consoles' can't run 'well' on the PS3, which is...half of the HD consoles in the market right now. See a dilemma? ;)

errr, I don't know if you misquoted me :? but guess it is time cows declare KZ3 the best looking game on consoles :roll:Giancar

Another extremely linear game that walks down a tried and true path.

And yet the 'best engine on consoles' can't run 'well' on the PS3, which is...half of the HD consoles in the market right now. See a dilemma? ;)

PSdual_wielder

That's what Sony gets for putting too little RAM in their console.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="Nisim19"]LOL now cows say that Carmack is lazy? PBSnipes

Because no one has put the same amount of time, money and effort into 360 exclusives as Sony has PS3 exclusives. Quick, name a 360 exclusive that runs on a proprietary engine and had 4+ years of development time like Killzone 2.

And for those that inevitably will say "lol lazy devs" it's not a matter of effort, it's a matter of "how many dollars and how many man-hours out of a limited budget can a developer afford to sink into the PS3?"

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

OK, but it does whatever it need to do in a very impressive manner. If not, then it wouldn't have won the same award from more than 1 site;)

organic_machine

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] errr, I don't know if you misquoted me :? but guess it is time cows declare KZ3 the best looking game on consoles :roll:Giancar

Another extremely linear game that walks down a tried and true path.

Errr, KZ is a linear series. I doubt we'll see it pull a Red Faction.

And did you get the new GI? RAGE is obviously stunning, and even if its not "graphics king" on consoles, it'll surely be a technical achievement above that of any linear title.

And Carmack is a genius. I didn't like Doom 3, but many did.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

OK, but it does whatever it need to do in a very impressive manner. If not, then it wouldn't have won the same award from more than 1 site;)

ermacness

Did you even read my post? It had nothing to do with linearity or open-ness.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Another extremely linear game that walks down a tried and true path.

SparkyProtocol

Yes, let's just go and judge a game that is currently in development. Because the sections where it's needing work - the 20fps sections - are obviously how the entire game will run. Oh wait, Rage has already been shown at QuakeCon running at 60fps on PS3...

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

yup such a rediculous hardware even Naughty Dog cant develop for it....oh wait

Surely you know better than to try to use that as a counter argument? I'm sure if ID had the funding and support Naughty Dog was getting from Sony they wouldn't have any development difficulties either :roll:

1st party and paid for 3rd party exclusives are not representative of the real world development environment.

even thirdy party devs dont moan about ps3s hardware as much as these super professional devs like carmack and that fat gabe newell from valve. lazy devs are lazy. if they dont have the funds then just dnt develop for ps3 then

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="Nisim19"] ID didnt show RAGE on E3Nisim19

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Another extremely linear game that walks down a tried and true path.

BioShockOwnz

Errr, KZ is a linear series. I doubt we'll see it pull a Red Faction.

And did you get the new GI? RAGE is obviously stunning, and even if its not "graphics king" on consoles, it'll surely be a technical achievement above that of any linear title.

And Carmack is a genius. I didn't like Doom 3, but many did.

John Carmack is the best videogame programmer IMO, you can't go wrong with him

that's nice and all but 4 dvd'si thought he said 2 ????? :?

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

And yet the 'best engine on consoles' can't run 'well' on the PS3, which is...half of the HD consoles in the market right now. See a dilemma? ;)

organic_machine

That's what Sony gets for putting too little RAM in their console.

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

PSdual_wielder

Those other mutliplats didn't need a minimum of 512MB of RAM, I suppose.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Sure it would have. There is a difference between technically advanced and looking good. When you're at E3, you're not out and about counting polygons and observing texture resolutions, you look at games. and because U2 is very linear, it has the capability to "look" better.

organic_machine

Did you even read my post? It had nothing to do with linearity or open-ness.

the xbox 360 has to have 2-3 discs or way reduced graphics just for them to be able to fit the games oonto the disc, you might have more fps but itll look horrible

John Carmack is the best videogame programmer IMO, you can't go wrong with him

JuarN18

most of those graphical awards it did win at E3 was technical, not all of them, but some

ermacness

Tell me then, how is a game site going to know the number of polygons, the number of physical objects, the resolutions of the textures by looking at the game? Oh wait, they can't. Which means their judgements cannot be technical.

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

John Carmack is the best videogame programmer IMO, you can't go wrong with him

ermacness

None. They've been hard at work on RAGE and developing a brand spankin' new engine.

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

John Carmack is the best videogame programmer IMO, you can't go wrong with him

ermacness

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

And yet the 'best engine on consoles' can't run 'well' on the PS3, which is...half of the HD consoles in the market right now. See a dilemma? ;)

That's what Sony gets for putting too little RAM in their console.

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

Everytime John Carmack talks I just think....damn this guy is smart....:P Seriousaly he is amazing, im shocked that he couldn't get the PS3 version to 60 FPS....jg4xchamp

Well according to the SW logic of some users, he's lazy apparentlty. :roll:

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="Nisim19"]LOL now cows say that Carmack is lazy? PBSnipes

Because no one has put the same amount of time, money and effort into 360 exclusives as Sony has PS3 exclusives. Quick, name a 360 exclusive that runs on a proprietary engine, had a ~$40-60 million budget and had 4+ years of development time like Killzone 2.

And for those that inevitably will say "lol lazy devs" it's not a matter of effort, it's a matter of "how many dollars and how many man-hours out of a limited budget can a developer afford to sink into the PS3?"

RAGE will run on 60FPS on the X360, but on the PS3 it will run on only 20-30FPS.

if the best looking game on consoles will run so much better on the 360 that mean that the PS3 is not longer the most pawerfull console this gen.

looks like U2 is not the best thechnical achivment after all.

and Carmackalso say that the CELL is not better then the 360 CPU but the 360 GPU is better then the RSX:

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3,"

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220530

Nisim19

lol now it's rage I thought gears 2 was graphic king and banjo and fable 3 oh wait it was lost planet lol

lemmings are funny I cant wait for them to anounce which is the next graphic king lol

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

John Carmack is the best videogame programmer IMO, you can't go wrong with him

Giancar

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]no, but how is the 360 "more powerful" when their exclusives gets outshined by the ps3 exclusives by a marginable difference?:|

ermacness

Because no one has put the same amount of time, money and effort into 360 exclusives as Sony has PS3 exclusives. Quick, name a 360 exclusive that runs on a proprietary engine, had a ~$40-60 million budget and had 4+ years of development time like Killzone 2.

And for those that inevitably will say "lol lazy devs" it's not a matter of effort, it's a matter of "how many dollars and how many man-hours out of a limited budget can a developer afford to sink into the PS3?"

Maybe it's possible that Naughty Dog is just a really, really good developer? They're a skilled team with great titles under their belt. U2 still isn't comparable in any way whatsoever, though.

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

That's what Sony gets for putting too little RAM in their console.

MortalDecay

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

The multiplats that did meaning, the multiplats that did run equal on both platfoms, like RE5 for example. I'm well aware a lot of prior ones ran better on 360.

RAGE has per-pixel customisation. No two objects look the same. The artists can make anything they want, that's why it's taking them so long.

I don't think Uncharted has this feature, eh?

the xbox 360 has to have 2-3 discs or way reduced graphics just for them to be able to fit the games oonto the disc, you might have more fps but itll look horrible

eo_the_shaman

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54780

[QUOTE="Nisim19"]

RAGE will run on 60FPS on the X360, but on the PS3 it will run on only 20-30FPS.

if the best looking game on consoles will run so much better on the 360 that mean that the PS3 is not longer the most pawerfull console this gen.

looks like U2 is not the best thechnical achivment after all.

and Carmackalso say that the CELL is not better then the 360 CPU but the 360 GPU is better then the RSX:

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3,"

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220530

simslifer

lol now it's rage I thought gears 2 was graphic king and banjo and fable 3 oh wait it was lost planet lol

lemmings are funny I cant wait for them to anounce which is the next graphic king lol

I guess that's better than saying Quantum is a Gears killer and graphics king. Lulz. ;)

JK... or am I? :P

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

And yet the 'best engine on consoles' can't run 'well' on the PS3, which is...half of the HD consoles in the market right now. See a dilemma? ;)

PSdual_wielder

That's what Sony gets for putting too little RAM in their console.

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

[QUOTE="Nisim19"]

RAGE will run on 60FPS on the X360, but on the PS3 it will run on only 20-30FPS.

if the best looking game on consoles will run so much better on the 360 that mean that the PS3 is not longer the most pawerfull console this gen.

looks like U2 is not the best thechnical achivment after all.

and Carmackalso say that the CELL is not better then the 360 CPU but the 360 GPU is better then the RSX:

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3,"

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220530

simslifer

lol now it's rage I thought gears 2 was graphic king and banjo and fable 3 oh wait it was lost planet lol

lemmings are funny I cant wait for them to anounce which is the next graphic king lol

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

The multiplats that did meaning, the multiplats that did run equal on both platfoms, like RE5 for example. I'm well aware a lot of prior ones ran better on 360.

iit does look really good in GI but will probably blow my PC up. the game does look amazing though.

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

John Carmack is the best videogame programmer IMO, you can't go wrong with him

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="Nisim19"]

RAGE will run on 60FPS on the X360, but on the PS3 it will run on only 20-30FPS.

if the best looking game on consoles will run so much better on the 360 that mean that the PS3 is not longer the most pawerfull console this gen.

looks like U2 is not the best thechnical achivment after all.

and Carmackalso say that the CELL is not better then the 360 CPU but the 360 GPU is better then the RSX:

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3,"

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220530

BioShockOwnz

lol now it's rage I thought gears 2 was graphic king and banjo and fable 3 oh wait it was lost planet lol

lemmings are funny I cant wait for them to anounce which is the next graphic king lol

I guess that's better than saying Quantum is a Gears killer and graphics king. Lulz. ;)

JK... or am I? :P

I never said Quantum is a graphic king I just said it looks good and has a chance of beating gears.

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

That's what Sony gets for putting too little RAM in their console.

KingsMessenger

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

I guess we have a comp-sci major here. :roll:

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

John Carmack is the best videogame programmer IMO, you can't go wrong with him

Giancar

only KZ2 was the only ps3 exclusive with a huge budget and alot of dev time. What about U2?:|

ermacness

Not to take anything away from Naught Dog, but it's still running a proprietary engine, and as Sony's premier holiday 2009 title I would suspect that Sony isn't exactly pinching pennies. I'm not saying that games like Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 don't look great, I'm saying that there is no analogue on the 360 to compare them to, and therefore the whole "PS3 is more powerful than the 360 because of Game X" argument is flawed.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

PSdual_wielder

I guess we have a comp-sci major here. :roll:

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"][QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

So now its Sony's fault for id not being able to run the game equally smooth on all platforms.

What about all those other multiplats that did, did Sony pay those guys?

PSdual_wielder

I guess we have a comp-sci major here. :roll:

Ill wait for gameplay. Since pics have the worst framerate ever.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

The multiplats that did meaning, the multiplats that did run equal on both platfoms, like RE5 for example. I'm well aware a lot of prior ones ran better on 360.

iit does look really good in GI but will probably blow my PC up. the game does look amazing though.

h575309