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With company size comes sacrifice. You can either deal with it, or stay upset, but nothing will change either way. Your best option is to go search for some alternatives.

I wish there were more like-minded people who shared the same thought process on games as I do.

I judge games purely on a game-to-game basis. If it looks good I get it, and if it doesn't then meh. I don't let the name of a game affect my decision on what I should buy.

People who appreciated survival horror a decade+ ago with games like Silent Hill and Resident Evil should, in all actuality, be appreciating survival horror today with games like Penumbra, or Amnesia. Why some survival horror fans VOLUNTARILY choose not to play what's available today, and continue crying about the "glory days" of survival horror is beyond me.

It's doubly baffling when people say Survival Horror is a dead genre. Again I find these people aren't playing what's available today, and instead are allowing some sort of blind loyalty, or pride keep them from playing those games.

I'm surprised you played RE5. I couldn't even bring myself to purchase it. :ohakanakumono

It's doubly baffling when people say Survival Horror is a dead genre.

SW__Troll

it IS a dead genre a few PC titles floating around here and there don't make a genre alive and well. I play the Pnumbra series and just wish I had some more choices in what kind of Survival Horror games I played.

Pnumbra is all first person, great and all but I really liked the detail you got in third person with the RE series games, the story was pretty cool as well where as Pnumbra really just lays the atmosphere on with little to no context. If there was a single FPS franchise available that sold poorly, I wouldn't call FPS a living genre of games.

I understand what you mean. Thought about the same thing when considering RE6.

I also like to play a game before I condem it fully, but givin Capcoms track record I don't have high hopes. RE6 will make it into my collection probably not be a bad game in of itself, but make me die a little inside when I think what could have been.

Capcom has lost its soul

COD is satan.

People who appreciated survival horror a decade+ ago with games like Silent Hill and Resident Evil should, in all actuality, be appreciating survival horror today with games like Penumbra, or Amnesia. Why some survival horror fans VOLUNTARILY choose not to play what's available today, and continue crying about the "glory days" of survival horror is beyond me.

It's doubly baffling when people say Survival Horror is a dead genre. Again I find these people aren't playing what's available today, and instead are allowing some sort of blind loyalty, or pride keep them from playing those games.

SW__Troll

It's because they're on PC and they aren't popular. They aren't made by the "big-name" companies. It's shocking how fans could say they never even heard of Frictional's games.

Also, there is no pleasing everyone in the RE fan base regardless of what Capcom does to the series. Shrabsters

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]I'm surprised you played RE5. I couldn't even bring myself to purchase it. :oJynxzor

It's doubly baffling when people say Survival Horror is a dead genre.

SW__Troll

it IS a dead genre a few PC titles floating around here and there don't make a genre alive and well. I play the Pnumbra series and just wish I had some more choices in what kind of Survival Horror games I played.

Pnumbra is all first person, great and all but I really liked the detail you got in third person with the RE series games, the story was pretty cool as well where as Pnumbra really just lays the atmosphere on with little to no context. If there was a single FPS franchise available that sold poorly, I wouldn't call FPS a living genre of games.

It's not just "a few PC titles"

• Call of Cthulu
• Amnesia
• Penumbra Black Plague
• Penumbra Overture
• Siren
• Dementium The Ward
• Dementium 2
• Condemned
• Condemned 2
• Silent Hill Homecoming
• The Void
• The Path

There're these games among others a few others.

Has quantity gone down? Yes, but it has done this across practically EVERY genre. There are even less FPS shooters being created this gen than last gen.

The only genre I can even think of that has seen more releases this gen than the last few gens would probably be 2D platformers since the PC just has a crapload of indie 2D platformers.

Everything else from RPGs, shooters, racers, action, 3D platformers, and FPS (as I mentioned) have gone down in quantity as well. Instead we see a few AAA-budget titles released throughout the year.

This has a lot to do with the fact that mid-tier developers are all, but dead this generation. If next generation pushes the power peak on the PS4 and 720 then that developer tier WILL be dead.

But the second point of my post still remains. Why do survival horror fans not seem to want to play what's available, and instead prefer to just mope around talking about the good ole days?

Amnesia alone tops every survival horror game ever made in terms of horror. It's the only game to ever strike true terror into me, and that feeling overcame me not due to monsters, but just exploring the game world. Walking around torture chambers with nothing, but lamplight, and hearing the sounds, and seeing the different torture devices permanently scarred me. I will never forget the scenes of that game.

You only hurt yourself by choosing to not play what's available since much of it is pretty damn good.

With company size comes sacrifice. You can either deal with it, or stay upset, but nothing will change either way. Your best option is to go search for some alternatives.

I wish there were more like-minded people who shared the same thought process on games as I do.

I judge games purely on a game-to-game basis. If it looks good I get it, and if it doesn't then meh. I don't let the name of a game affect my decision on what I should buy.

People who appreciated survival horror a decade+ ago with games like Silent Hill and Resident Evil should, in all actuality, be appreciating survival horror today with games like Penumbra, or Amnesia. Why some survival horror fans VOLUNTARILY choose not to play what's available today, and continue crying about the "glory days" of survival horror is beyond me.

It's doubly baffling when people say Survival Horror is a dead genre. Again I find these people aren't playing what's available today, and instead are allowing some sort of blind loyalty, or pride keep them from playing those games.

SW__Troll

This post wins for so many reasons. *brofist.

[QUOTE="Shrabsters"]Also, there is no pleasing everyone in the RE fan base regardless of what Capcom does to the series. Jynxzor

With company size comes sacrifice. You can either deal with it, or stay upset, but nothing will change either way. Your best option is to go search for some alternatives.

I wish there were more like-minded people who shared the same thought process on games as I do.

I judge games purely on a game-to-game basis. If it looks good I get it, and if it doesn't then meh. I don't let the name of a game affect my decision on what I should buy.

People who appreciated survival horror a decade+ ago with games like Silent Hill and Resident Evil should, in all actuality, be appreciating survival horror today with games like Penumbra, or Amnesia. Why some survival horror fans VOLUNTARILY choose not to play what's available today, and continue crying about the "glory days" of survival horror is beyond me.

It's doubly baffling when people say Survival Horror is a dead genre. Again I find these people aren't playing what's available today, and instead are allowing some sort of blind loyalty, or pride keep them from playing those games.

SW__Troll

it just isint as booming as it once was. Its around but barely. I also try to try anything that resesmbles survival horror I sometimes run into somthing nice,but other times things saying im a survival horror game doesint come off like one at all prime example being RE5.

List and stuffSW__Troll

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="Shrabsters"]Also, there is no pleasing everyone in the RE fan base regardless of what Capcom does to the series. Shrabsters

the thing is seeing revelations it feels like they can go back more to the roots such as actual good atmosphere. Since everything iv seen in revelation just buries RE5.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"] Yes it sadly sits on my shelf, Im a bit OCD about having complete collections of a series even if it sucks.

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

It's doubly baffling when people say Survival Horror is a dead genre.

SW__Troll

it IS a dead genre a few PC titles floating around here and there don't make a genre alive and well. I play the Pnumbra series and just wish I had some more choices in what kind of Survival Horror games I played.

Pnumbra is all first person, great and all but I really liked the detail you got in third person with the RE series games, the story was pretty cool as well where as Pnumbra really just lays the atmosphere on with little to no context. If there was a single FPS franchise available that sold poorly, I wouldn't call FPS a living genre of games.

It's not just "a few PC titles"

• Call of Cthulu
• Amnesia
• Penumbra Black Plague
• Penumbra Overture
• Siren
• Dementium The Ward
• Dementium 2
• Condemned
• Condemned 2
• Silent Hill Homecoming
• The Void
• The Path

There're these games among others a few others.

Has quantity gone down? Yes, but it has done this across practically EVERY genre. There are even less FPS shooters being created this gen than last gen.

The only genre I can even think of that has seen more releases this gen than the last few gens would probably be 2D platformers since the PC just has a crapload of indie 2D platformers.

Everything else from RPGs, shooters, racers, action, 3D platformers, and FPS (as I mentioned) have gone down in quantity as well. Instead we see a few AAA-budget titles released throughout the year.

This has a lot to do with the fact that mid-tier developers are all, but dead this generation. If next generation pushes the power peak on the PS4 and 720 then that developer tier WILL be dead.

But the second point of my post still remains. Why do survival horror fans not seem to want to play what's available, and instead prefer to just mope around talking about the good ole days?

Amnesia alone tops every survival horror game ever made in terms of horror. It's the only game to ever strike true terror into me, and that feeling overcame me not due to monsters, but just exploring the game world. Walking around torture chambers with nothing, but lamplight, and hearing the sounds, and seeing the different torture devices permanently scarred me. I will never forget the scenes of that game.

You only hurt yourself by choosing to not play what's available since much of it is pretty damn good.

Siren on the PS3 is subpar and barely a complete game. The newer Silent Hills are a bastardization of the series. And is Dementium actually a good game? Simply having titles isn't enough. There have to be good titles.

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

it IS a dead genre a few PC titles floating around here and there don't make a genre alive and well. I play the Pnumbra series and just wish I had some more choices in what kind of Survival Horror games I played.

Pnumbra is all first person, great and all but I really liked the detail you got in third person with the RE series games, the story was pretty cool as well where as Pnumbra really just lays the atmosphere on with little to no context. If there was a single FPS franchise available that sold poorly, I wouldn't call FPS a living genre of games.

hakanakumono

It's not just "a few PC titles"

• Call of Cthulu
• Amnesia
• Penumbra Black Plague
• Penumbra Overture
• Siren
• Dementium The Ward
• Dementium 2
• Condemned
• Condemned 2
• Silent Hill Homecoming
• The Void
• The Path

There're these games among others a few others.

Has quantity gone down? Yes, but it has done this across practically EVERY genre. There are even less FPS shooters being created this gen than last gen.

The only genre I can even think of that has seen more releases this gen than the last few gens would probably be 2D platformers since the PC just has a crapload of indie 2D platformers.

Everything else from RPGs, shooters, racers, action, 3D platformers, and FPS (as I mentioned) have gone down in quantity as well. Instead we see a few AAA-budget titles released throughout the year.

This has a lot to do with the fact that mid-tier developers are all, but dead this generation. If next generation pushes the power peak on the PS4 and 720 then that developer tier WILL be dead.

But the second point of my post still remains. Why do survival horror fans not seem to want to play what's available, and instead prefer to just mope around talking about the good ole days?

Amnesia alone tops every survival horror game ever made in terms of horror. It's the only game to ever strike true terror into me, and that feeling overcame me not due to monsters, but just exploring the game world. Walking around torture chambers with nothing, but lamplight, and hearing the sounds, and seeing the different torture devices permanently scarred me. I will never forget the scenes of that game.

You only hurt yourself by choosing to not play what's available since much of it is pretty damn good.

Siren on the PS3 is subpar and barely a complete game. The newer Silent Hills are a bastardization of the series. And is Dementium actually a good game? Simply having titles isn't enough. There have to be good titles.

hey putting down my siren is fighting words:evil:. Also silent hill homecoming was decent and I still say silenthill SM is a great game.

Capcom can't be serious...

It's extremely concerning the direction the industry is taking in general.

The bottom line is people need to actually buy the games they love so much, it's not the devs fault, it's the publishers that are pushing them to make these games. No one wants to be broke and in this world with the current economy easy money is where it's at. Bro gamers and casuals.

I think this is why I find myself playing more and more indy games. It's nice when the Devs are actually able to complete a game based on their original vision and not from the direction of a corporate entity.

Production values are not everything people.

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

It's extremely concerning the direction the industry is taking in general.

The bottom line is people need to actually buy the games they love so much, it's not the devs fault, it's the publishers that are pushing them to make these games. No one wants to be broke and in this world with the current economy easy money is where it's at. Bro gamers and casuals.

I think this is why I find myself playing more and more indy games. It's nice when the Devs are actually able to complete a game based on their original vision and not from the direction of a corporate entity.

Production values are not everything people.

ReadingRainbow4

Whether Games,Movies,Music,...The indie scene in general tends to have more Soul and Passion compared to the Mainstream.

Figures. Companies want to maximise profits, not stay creative to a genre.

When will devs learn that trying to sap into another game's audience is usually downright stupid and wont get you anywhere? In fact, most of the huge successes in gaming were games that did something push the genre forward in one direction (for the better or the worse). Whereas clones are usually forgotten in a few months.

They seem to have a different philosophy to From Software. Anyone who's seen the making of Dark Souls would know what I mean. They talk about how they focus on making what they think will be a truly great game and don't worry at all about what they think will sell. And they're doing quite well. Now I don't know if Capcom think another action based RE will truly be thebestthing they can do with RE, but I do find they're comments to be a bit of a worry. I mean, it suggests a different philosophy to From Software, and another action based RE is not what I personally want. I'd prefer it if they made a game with the survival horror spirit of the original REs but of course with modern controls and graphics. Atleast there's Revelations, so maybe there's hope for next gen RE, or something different from them.

They seem to have a different philosophy to From Software. Anyone who's seen the making of Dark Souls would know what I mean. They talk about how they focus on making what they think will be a truly great game and don't worry at all about what they think will sell. And they're doing quite well. Now I don't know if Capcom think another action based RE will truly be thebestthing they can do with RE, but I do find they're comments to be a bit of a worry. I mean, it suggests a different philosophy to From Software, and another action based RE is not what I personally want. I'd prefer it if they made a game with the survival horror spirit of the original REs but of course with modern controls and graphics. Atleast there's Revelations, so maybe there's hope for next gen RE, or something different from them.

tubbyc

Exactly, making great games should be first and foremost.

There is nothing wrong with COD, Gears, Halo, ETC. But games should keep an identity of their own, variety is the spice of life.

Here's the thing, Capcom is probably Japan's biggest 3rd party publisher, they sink a ton of money into their games and they need returns. In these times capcom cannot cater to such a small amount of RE fans considering the amount of money they put into the project.

As a PC gamer I've come to terms with such realities, and at this point I don't care as long as I get a good product. I fondly remember console gamers calling PC gamers elitists when they complained about stuff like this but I guess when it affects them they don't think that way.

When will devs learn that trying to sap into another game's audience is usually downright stupid and wont get you anywhere? In fact, most of the huge successes in gaming were games that did something push the genre forward in one direction (for the better or the worse). Whereas clones are usually forgotten in a few months.

Maroxad

Except you know, RE 4 + 5 sold more than all of the others.

CoD fast paced?

Just what the **** happened in gaming that made CoD fast paced all of sudden?

It's arguably one of the slowest paced FPS franchises in gaming :|

CoD fast paced?

Just what the **** happened in gaming that made CoD fast paced all of sudden?

It's arguably one of the slowest paced FPS franchises in gaming :|

N30F3N1X

We can't move on from this corridor till this guy gives a monologue about russians and then kicks the door down, all for us to go into SLOW MOTION so we can shoot russians who we just threw a flash bang at.

seriously.

Except you know, RE 4 + 5 sold more than all of the others.GD1551

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

When will devs learn that trying to sap into another game's audience is usually downright stupid and wont get you anywhere? In fact, most of the huge successes in gaming were games that did something push the genre forward in one direction (for the better or the worse). Whereas clones are usually forgotten in a few months.

GD1551

Except you know, RE 4 + 5 sold more than all of the others.

No they didn't. RE2 was the most successful launch in the series.

CoD fast paced?

Just what the **** happened in gaming that made CoD fast paced all of sudden?

It's arguably one of the slowest paced FPS franchises in gaming :|

N30F3N1X

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

When will devs learn that trying to sap into another game's audience is usually downright stupid and wont get you anywhere? In fact, most of the huge successes in gaming were games that did something push the genre forward in one direction (for the better or the worse). Whereas clones are usually forgotten in a few months.

hakanakumono

Except you know, RE 4 + 5 sold more than all of the others.

No they didn't. RE2 was the most successful launch in the series.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Except you know, RE 4 + 5 sold more than all of the others.

forgot_it

No they didn't. RE2 was the most successful launch in the series.

Through ports and rereleases.

First Bioware with Mass Effect, now Capcom with RE. It's really unsettling seeing many of these elite developers taking this path of watering down games to appease a larger audience.

[QUOTE="forgot_it"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No they didn't. RE2 was the most successful launch in the series.

hakanakumono

The point is that RE2 proves that the idea that the series wasn't successful until RE4 is false.

First Bioware with Mass Effect, now Capcom with RE. It's really unsettling seeing many of these elite developers taking this path of watering down games to appease a larger audience.

SpinoRaptor24

The point is that RE2 proves that the idea that the series wasn't successful until RE4 is false.

hakanakumono

The point is that RE2 proves that the idea that the series wasn't successful until RE4 is false.

hakanakumono

People are acting like drama-queens. If RE5 is the best selling in the series, then it makes perfect sense to make something like it. After all, there is still some horror them in RE6 and a lot in Revelations. Bunch of babiesLastRambo341

RE5 sucked, no matter how much it sold.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The point is that RE2 proves that the idea that the series wasn't successful until RE4 is false.

Jynxzor

Resident Evil 4 on the PS2 alone sold more than the beloved Code Veronica which is considered by many one of the best traditional Resident Evils out there, hell even the Wii release sold more than Code Veronica. Earlier you stated that the old style of games could still possibly work but unless Revelations turns out to be a smash hit, Capcom has gotten little indication to do so. Just look at REmake and RE0. I think it's fair to say REmake and RE0 can be considered as an example of something Capcom could expand upon...but when REmake sells less than Code Veronica and RE0 sells even less than REmake why should Capcom continue investing into that?

Edit: While I'm here. Freaking RE Outbreak sold more than Code Veronica.

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

it IS a dead genre a few PC titles floating around here and there don't make a genre alive and well. I play the Pnumbra series and just wish I had some more choices in what kind of Survival Horror games I played.

Pnumbra is all first person, great and all but I really liked the detail you got in third person with the RE series games, the story was pretty cool as well where as Pnumbra really just lays the atmosphere on with little to no context. If there was a single FPS franchise available that sold poorly, I wouldn't call FPS a living genre of games.

hakanakumono

It's not just "a few PC titles"

• Call of Cthulu
• Amnesia
• Penumbra Black Plague
• Penumbra Overture
• Siren
• Dementium The Ward
• Dementium 2
• Condemned
• Condemned 2
• Silent Hill Homecoming
• The Void
• The Path

There're these games among others a few others.

Has quantity gone down? Yes, but it has done this across practically EVERY genre. There are even less FPS shooters being created this gen than last gen.

The only genre I can even think of that has seen more releases this gen than the last few gens would probably be 2D platformers since the PC just has a crapload of indie 2D platformers.

Everything else from RPGs, shooters, racers, action, 3D platformers, and FPS (as I mentioned) have gone down in quantity as well. Instead we see a few AAA-budget titles released throughout the year.

This has a lot to do with the fact that mid-tier developers are all, but dead this generation. If next generation pushes the power peak on the PS4 and 720 then that developer tier WILL be dead.

But the second point of my post still remains. Why do survival horror fans not seem to want to play what's available, and instead prefer to just mope around talking about the good ole days?

Amnesia alone tops every survival horror game ever made in terms of horror. It's the only game to ever strike true terror into me, and that feeling overcame me not due to monsters, but just exploring the game world. Walking around torture chambers with nothing, but lamplight, and hearing the sounds, and seeing the different torture devices permanently scarred me. I will never forget the scenes of that game.

You only hurt yourself by choosing to not play what's available since much of it is pretty damn good.

Siren on the PS3 is subpar and barely a complete game. The newer Silent Hills are a bastardization of the series. And is Dementium actually a good game? Simply having titles isn't enough. There have to be good titles.

Simply having titles isn't enough?

You are right........somewhat.

If there's one thing I've ever learned about video games is there are extraordinary amounts of games, whether well-reviewed or not, that are fantastic to those interested in them.

If you made a list of horror games from gens prior, and excluded the obvious high-quality ones like Resident Evil, or Silent Hill, you'd find yourself with a list VERY SIMILAR to my list.

They'd all be unknown games with varying degress of overall polish, quality, and critical acclaim, but what you'll realize is that despite all that you love them. Why? Because you're a survival horror fan, and these games appeal to you.

Just think for one moment. Look at the library of games you have next to your console, or your handheld, and tell me all of them were highly praised, or games people know about?

If you can't say that then there's NO reason you should be putting off a list such as mine.

You owe it to yourself, as a survival horror fan, to branch out and make an attempt to discover other works within the genre.

Crying over the death of the genre whilst doing nothing to support what's left is by far the absolute worst thing you can do.

[QUOTE="forgot_it"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No they didn't. RE2 was the most successful launch in the series.

hakanakumono

Through ports and rereleases.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

This covers RE5.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Through ports and rereleases.

GD1551

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

This covers RE5.

Best-selling on a single platform: RE2

Best-selling on multiple platforms: RE4

Best selling multi-platform launch: RE5

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The point is that RE2 proves that the idea that the series wasn't successful until RE4 is false.

forgot_it

Resident Evil 4 on the PS2 alone sold more than the beloved Code Veronica which is considered by many one of the best traditional Resident Evils out there, hell even the Wii release sold more than Code Veronica. Earlier you stated that the old style of games could still possibly work but unless Revelations turns out to be a smash hit, Capcom has gotten little indication to do so. Just look at REmake and RE0. I think it's fair to say REmake and RE0 can be considered as an example of something Capcom could expand upon...but when REmake sells less than Code Veronica and RE0 sells even less than REmake why should Capcom continue investing into that?

Edit: While I'm here. Freaking RE Outbreak sold more than Code Veronica.

well lets hope that happens. SInce what some fans want is a game which actual atmosphere which has been lacking for a long time in RE.