Read Dead Redemption looks so much better on 360. How?

I thought PS3 was more powerful. Why does it look better on 360?

The engine for RDR doesn't work really well with the PS3.

It's really unoptimized for the PS3 hardware, as it did not use any of the PS3's SPU's, and other features....

Although the PS3 is more powerful, it is harder to develop games for. This is why multiplat games tend to look better on the 360 but PS3 exclusives look better than 360 exclusives.

A lot of multiplats do. Where's the surprise?

I thought PS3 was more powerful. Why does it look better on 360?

bphan

because the ps3 version is sub-hd, therefore it looks less crispy.

the PS3 is more powerful? the CPU is, but the 360 benefits from a better GPU. there's not really much difference between the two consoles, Sony however is wisely focusing on first party studios and you get games optimized for the ps3 only and have great graphics

Didn't GTA 4 look the same though. Why couldn't rockstar do the same for rdr?

Didn't GTA 4 look the same though. Why couldn't rockstar do the same for rdr?

bphan

Didn't GTA 4 look the same though. Why couldn't rockstar do the same for rdr?

bphan

IIRC GTA4 was sub-HD on PS3 as well. Also, I think they used the same engine as GTA4.

To be honest its more abuot people loving to complain about everyting 24/7. i played the PS3 verison and saw nothing wrong with it. its still expensive tho, i will buy it when its cheaper

Many ppl thought PS3 was more powerfull but both are just....equal. That´s the problem of the hype

Lazy devs has the PS3 version looking worse, I own it and it doesn't help how blurry it can look(sub HD at 640p v.s. 720p on 360) along with a bad framerate at times. And using QAA instead of 2xAA like on 360 is not cool.

Many ppl thought PS3 was more powerfull but both are just....equal. That´s the problem of the hype

PAL360

I thought PS3 was more powerful. Why does it look better on 360?

bphan

Lazy devs has the PS3 version looking worse, I own it and it doesn't help how blurry it can look(sub HD at 640p v.s. 720p on 360) along with a bad framerate at times. And using QAA instead of 2xAA like on 360 is not cool.

mitu123

Am i the only one who dosent know what a bad framerate is or what a QAA is or screen tearing is or a 30 to 60FPS is or any other screen crap out there lol, its better that i dont know so i wont be a screen whore like everyone else on sw :P

It could have looked much better, R* could have optimized it for the ps3 but they were lazy..ThePsTriple

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Many ppl thought PS3 was more powerfull but both are just....equal. That´s the problem of the hype

ThePsTriple

Err, no. PS3 exclusives say nothing about 360´s hardware. On the other hand devs did say both are similar power wise.

The engine for RDR doesn't work really well with the PS3.

It's really unoptimized for the PS3 hardware, as it did not use any of the PS3's SPU's, and other features....

siddhu33

Correct answer. As are most multi-plat engines.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lazy devs has the PS3 version looking worse, I own it and it doesn't help how blurry it can look(sub HD at 640p v.s. 720p on 360) along with a bad framerate at times. And using QAA instead of 2xAA like on 360 is not cool.

finalstar2007

Am i the only one who dosent know what a bad framerate is or what a QAA is or screen tearing is or a 30 to 60FPS is or any other screen crap out there lol, its better that i dont know so i wont be a screen whore like everyone else on sw :P

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Many ppl thought PS3 was more powerfull but both are just....equal. That´s the problem of the hype

PAL360

Err, no. PS3 exclusives say nothing about 360´s hardware. On the other hand devs did say both are similar power wise.

Yea...when FF13 is subHD on 360 its bacause xbox is weaker, but when RDR is subHD on PS3 its cause developers are lazy :DMagik85

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[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]ps3 exclusives say otherwise..ThePsTriple

Err, no. PS3 exclusives say nothing about 360´s hardware. On the other hand devs did say both are similar power wise.

[QUOTE="Magik85"]Yea...when FF13 is subHD on 360 its bacause xbox is weaker, but when RDR is subHD on PS3 its cause developers are lazy :DThePsTriple

How is it a PS3 game, when it's multiplat? :?

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Err, no. PS3 exclusives say nothing about 360´s hardware. On the other hand devs did say both are similar power wise.

italygamer

Yeah, I don't recall Crytech chiming in on the subject... do you take their word over 'others'? You should.

[QUOTE="Magik85"]Yea...when FF13 is subHD on 360 its bacause xbox is weaker, but when RDR is subHD on PS3 its cause developers are lazy :DThePsTriple

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lazy devs has the PS3 version looking worse, I own it and it doesn't help how blurry it can look(sub HD at 640p v.s. 720p on 360) along with a bad framerate at times. And using QAA instead of 2xAA like on 360 is not cool.

finalstar2007

Am i the only one who dosent know what a bad framerate is or what a QAA is or screen tearing is or a 30 to 60FPS is or any other screen crap out there lol, its better that i dont know so i wont be a screen whore like everyone else on sw :P

60fps is what you want. 30fps or below is not what you want. The higher the framerate the smoother the game plays because it's rendering the images at a faster rate.

I guess it is lucky in a sense that you only own a PS3. While you get piss poor performance you don't own a 360 or PC to compare it to, so you'll never know how bad you have it at times.

I can't even stand bad frame rates anymore. Not when my PC is busting out 60+ fps in all the games I play. It's annoying, and frustrating to deal with. Must be why I love my Dreamcast so much. That system has a ton of games that run flawlessly on it.

[QUOTE="Magik85"]Yea...when FF13 is subHD on 360 its bacause xbox is weaker, but when RDR is subHD on PS3 its cause developers are lazy :DThePsTriple

PS3 is more like argentinas soccer team, capable but not guided properly.

God of War 3, KZ2 and 3 as well Uncharted 2 look better the RDR 360 and those games are on PS3 only. PS3 wins?

To be honest its more abuot people loving to complain about everyting 24/7. i played the PS3 verison and saw nothing wrong with it. its still expensive tho, i will buy it when its cheaper

finalstar2007

God of War 3, KZ2 and 3 as well Uncharted 2 look better the RDR 360 and those games are on PS3 only. PS3 wins?

xOMGITSJASONx

PS3 is more like argentinas soccer team, capable but not guided properly.

supra_800hp

PS3 is the Dutch who make Killzone 3 (GG) and and beats Spain and beats the 360 in graphics lol that was stupid i know but you get it.

ps3 exclusives say otherwise..ThePsTriple

Err, no. PS3 exclusives say nothing about 360´s hardware. On the other hand devs did say both are similar power wise.

[QUOTE="xOMGITSJASONx"]

God of War 3, KZ2 and 3 as well Uncharted 2 look better the RDR 360 and those games are on PS3 only. PS3 wins?

Deevoshun

I get it. RDR 360 looks better than PS3 RDR. You win? Who wins? I don't know lol.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]i'm at the screen right now, PS3 version 23.99 360 version 49.99 Slashkice

Click on either of them, you'll see they both say "currently not available online". The deal was only for an hour (online only) and was supposed to end 43 minutes ago. The deal died like 15 minutes before that though. Trust me, I tried.

[QUOTE="Deevoshun"][QUOTE="xOMGITSJASONx"]

God of War 3, KZ2 and 3 as well Uncharted 2 look better the RDR 360 and those games are on PS3 only. PS3 wins?

xOMGITSJASONx

I get it. RDR 360 looks better than PS3 RDR. You win? Who wins? I don't know lol.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lazy devs has the PS3 version looking worse, I own it and it doesn't help how blurry it can look(sub HD at 640p v.s. 720p on 360) along with a bad framerate at times. And using QAA instead of 2xAA like on 360 is not cool.

finalstar2007

Am i the only one who dosent know what a bad framerate is or what a QAA is or screen tearing is or a 30 to 60FPS is or any other screen crap out there lol, its better that i dont know so i wont be a screen whore like everyone else on sw :P

I never had a clue aboutscreen tearing before SW.. I mean I knew about it and what it was, I just never noticed it. I can't tell the difference in AA either, but man 60FPS.. is something you can tell off the bat. When the next gen of consoles come out and you get 60FPS games you will see.

The engine for RDR doesn't work really well with the PS3.

It's really unoptimized for the PS3 hardware, as it did not use any of the PS3's SPU's, and other features....

siddhu33

hahah you are joking right? :)

Rockstar wants to make as much money as possible. As such, they develop the game to work on as many platforms as possible (namely PC, 360, and Xbox.) The PC and 360 have similar hardware, and the larger install bases in total, so it doesn't make sense for Rockstar to cater to the odd duck, the PS3, when designing their games. So they make it primarily of the similar 360 and PC architecture, then port as best they can to the PS3 without re-writing their engine to cater to the Cell processor and Blu Ray drive, as it would be more expensive than they would stand to gain from any marginally increased PS3 sales. If Rockstar made it for the ground up for PS3, it may look as good or maybe better than it does on the 360, but not anywhere near as good as it will look when it hits PCs. donalbane

PC and 360 similar hardware?Would not say that...GTA IV on PC runs like TOTAL crap.

[QUOTE="donalbane"]Rockstar wants to make as much money as possible. As such, they develop the game to work on as many platforms as possible (namely PC, 360, and Xbox.) The PC and 360 have similar hardware, and the larger install bases in total, so it doesn't make sense for Rockstar to cater to the odd duck, the PS3, when designing their games. So they make it primarily of the similar 360 and PC architecture, then port as best they can to the PS3 without re-writing their engine to cater to the Cell processor and Blu Ray drive, as it would be more expensive than they would stand to gain from any marginally increased PS3 sales. If Rockstar made it for the ground up for PS3, it may look as good or maybe better than it does on the 360, but not anywhere near as good as it will look when it hits PCs. Bus-A-Bus

PC and 360 similar hardware?Would not say that...GTA IV on PC runs like TOTAL crap.

Rockstar Totonto are usless. They couldn't port a game for **** lol

Lazy R* or unoptimized engine is VERY wrong answer.RDR and even GTA IV do some stuff even linear games cant even dream about...Animation system is the most dynamic and realistic one where bodies actually fully react to how they are affected while keeping a realistic human movement scheme. Lots of soft particles, full world collision sparks that even bounce on dynamic objects. Very very few if any other console game does that (dynamic object collision for sparks).
All realtime shadows, good realtime reflections, excellent shaders for paint etc.
3D water with world reflections, huge draw distances and tons of objects, millions and millions of polygons per frame. Then add in hundreds of dynamic lightsources, limited destructibility, 24/7 light scheme, IIRC procedural sky, wetness shader, POM, etc etc etc.

Thats what RDR and GTA IV feature.Remember,GTA IV is heavy on polygons.It has TONS of buildings,cars,people...to render and thats hell of a lot polygons and RSX is simply not polygon beast since it has only 8 vertex shader alus,thats last gen.Cell helps alot with it,because if it didnt GTA IV would be even in lower resolution and frame rate while Xenos is known to be polygon beast.RDR is different thing,but it also suits 360 more because of eDRAM.Lots of vegetation with a2c are very heavy on bandwidth which eDRAM has LOTS of.Dont forget while ps3 versions are running in considerably lower frame rate they also have worse performance.Than add that dynamic lighting,deferred lighting that is,is VERY heavy on memory which on ps3 you have to use main memory while on 360 they use eDRAM for it.Count everything in it and add to that that this is 3rd R* game on ps3 that still has alot of frame rate and resolution problem its quite obvious blame goes to-RSX.

I read a post that said the PS3 isn't really good when it comes to open world games like RDR, GTAIV, Fallout 3, etc.

I read a post that said the PS3 isn't really good when it comes to open world games like RDR, GTAIV, Fallout 3, etc.

gago-gago

Well that's wrong. Infamous/2 look very good. It's just that getting certain games to look as good as their 360 counterparts takes quite a bit more work because of the P.O.S RSX, so the work needs to be offloaded to the SPU's of the Cell. Most devs don't do this fully, however, and games often look lackluster compared to the 360 version.

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Lazy devs has the PS3 version looking worse, I own it and it doesn't help how blurry it can look(sub HD at 640p v.s. 720p on 360) along with a bad framerate at times. And using QAA instead of 2xAA like on 360 is not cool.

mitu123

Am i the only one who dosent know what a bad framerate is or what a QAA is or screen tearing is or a 30 to 60FPS is or any other screen crap out there lol, its better that i dont know so i wont be a screen whore like everyone else on sw :P