Read Dead Redemption looks so much better on 360. How?

It's still the best looking open world game, on any system, so what's the problem?

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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Am i the only one who dosent know what a bad framerate is or what a QAA is or screen tearing is or a 30 to 60FPS is or any other screen crap out there lol, its better that i dont know so i wont be a screen whore like everyone else on sw :P

Midnightshade29

I just bought RDR yesterday (for PS3), and I'm pretty damn impressed with how it looks graphically. I really couldn't care less if it looks a tad "inferior". Next to GOW3, it's the best looking game I own.

God of War 3, KZ2 and 3 as well Uncharted 2 look better the RDR 360 and those games are on PS3 only. PS3 wins?

xOMGITSJASONx

[QUOTE="xOMGITSJASONx"]

God of War 3, KZ2 and 3 as well Uncharted 2 look better the RDR 360 and those games are on PS3 only. PS3 wins?

Human-after-all

GOW3. Yes, I think it looks better than Uncharted 2. The opening level is probably the most technically impressive thing I have ever seen in a game.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="xOMGITSJASONx"]

God of War 3, KZ2 and 3 as well Uncharted 2 look better the RDR 360 and those games are on PS3 only. PS3 wins?

Master_ShakeXXX

GOW3. Yes, I think it looks better than Uncharted 2. The opening level is probably the most technically impressive thing I have ever seen in a game.

No but what I mean is the programming behind each game, tell me which game is the most impressive. Smaller the game the more visually impressive it is obvious but I wanna know what is ACTUALLY the "graphics king" on consoles.

I thought PS3 was more powerful. Why does it look better on 360?

bphan

It is well known that 360 has a better GPU, and far better design overall as a gaming system, and is easier to program for on top

So, it is expected that RDR would not be sub HD and not have blur on 360, even though Rockstar mainly programs and favours PS3 by far

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Am i the only one who dosent know what a bad framerate is or what a QAA is or screen tearing is or a 30 to 60FPS is or any other screen crap out there lol, its better that i dont know so i wont be a screen whore like everyone else on sw :P

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

To be honest its more abuot people loving to complain about everyting 24/7. i played the PS3 verison and saw nothing wrong with it. its still expensive tho, i will buy it when its cheaper

Dead-Memories

You serious? im going to check the site now and if i see it at that price i'll get it, seems worth it hopefully not used as i really dont like used games

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="mitu123"] A bad framerate goes below 30 FPS and it did at times, even when I rode my horse with not much going on at times. And QAA is AA that blurs to hide jaggies. Yeah, this is too much for you.:P

donalbane

[QUOTE="bphan"]

I thought PS3 was more powerful. Why does it look better on 360?

a_simple_gamer

It is well known that 360 has a better GPU, and far better design overall as a gaming system, and is easier to program for on top

So, it is expected that RDR would not be sub HD and not have blur on 360, even though Rockstar mainly programs and favours PS3 by far

Most of that is true, with the exception of "a far better design overall". RROD completely destroys that argument.

Better hardware, especially the GPU, RROD has nothing to do with the power the design brings

For example the 360 CPU is connected in more than one ways to the GPU with direct memory export and unified ram, unlike PS3

Just look at PS3 and Xbox 360 exclusives, and multiplatform games altogether. Do you see any differences? Logic is your best friend. :P Of course there are going to be optimization issues for the PS3 if the developer doesn't have full knowledge on how to develop on that hardware. Then there's always issues that come along that are unforgiving and extremely hard to program for. Because of those issues, they have to cut corners. Elian2530

After two huge games, they still have no idea how to program for PS3 ?

I dount that

Also optimization is the thing indeed, the only reason you see great looking PS3 exlusives is exactly because PS3 gets so many optimized exclusive engines, and those games still use paths thanopen worlds like Rage or RDR

So, the best way to judge is by multipltforms from developers that have their 2ond game on PS3 (RDR is 2ond game on PS3), and still cant do much with the hardware for an open world

Better hardware, especially the GPU, RROD has nothing to do with the power the design brings

For example the 360 CPU is connected in more than one ways to the GPU with direct memory export and unified ram, unlike PS3

a_simple_gamer

Well you wasn't specific when you said "design". If you were talking in terms of designed NOT TO FAIL, then no, it's not superior to the PS3. The hardware is pretty faulty.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Better hardware, especially the GPU, RROD has nothing to do with the power the design brings

For example the 360 CPU is connected in more than one ways to the GPU with direct memory export and unified ram, unlike PS3

Master_ShakeXXX

Well you wasn't specific when you said "design". If you're talking in terms of designed NOT TO FAIL, then no, it's not superior to the PS3. The hardware is pretty faulty.

I was only talking about graphics hardware design, the CPU/GPU connection and features etc, not at all the constructing part

I though would be clear, RROD has nothing to do with the 360 graphics performance, maybe the other way around is true though, the heat produced by the super powerfull 360 hardware may cause RROD, but that is not bad design, it is bad ventilation

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Better hardware, especially the GPU, RROD has nothing to do with the power the design brings

For example the 360 CPU is connected in more than one ways to the GPU with direct memory export and unified ram, unlike PS3

a_simple_gamer

Well you wasn't specific when you said "design". If you're talking in terms of designed NOT TO FAIL, then no, it's not superior to the PS3. The hardware is pretty faulty.

I was only talking about graphics hardware design, the CPU/GPU connection and features etc, not at all the constructing part

I though would be clear, RROD has nothing to do with the 360 graphics performance, maybe the other way around is true though, the heat produced by the super powerfull 360 hardware may cause RROD, but that is not bad design, it is bad ventilation

Well no one is gonna argue against it being easier to develop for. I'm just sayin, you said "the design is better", which in some cases it's not.

*EDIT*

I just want to add that "bad ventilation" is in fact bad design.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Well you wasn't specific when you said "design". If you're talking in terms of designed NOT TO FAIL, then no, it's not superior to the PS3. The hardware is pretty faulty.

Master_ShakeXXX

I was only talking about graphics hardware design, the CPU/GPU connection and features etc, not at all the constructing part

I though would be clear, RROD has nothing to do with the 360 graphics performance, maybe the other way around is true though, the heat produced by the super powerfull 360 hardware may cause RROD, but that is not bad design, it is bad ventilation

Well no one is gonna argue against it being easier to develop for. I'm just sayin, you said "the design is better", which in some cases it's not.

*EDIT*

I just want to add that "bad ventilation" is in fact bad design.

Indeed, both are design, but i was talking only about the logic design behind the hardware, not the actual chips manufacturing and physical connection

And 360 does have a better design, the CPU/GPU were created with their connection in mind and were implemented that way on the motherboard with unified ram too

On PS3, the GOU was an afterthought, initially was planend to have cell for GPU, when that failed they rushed to get a DX9 GPU part to put there, negating all those years of designing with cell in mind, and the PS3design is definatly not as well thought out as 360

It has more vegetation and less detail pop in. I think there's also supposed to be a resolution difference, but it is not blurry to me at all when I play it, so I doubt it's that big a difference.

It looks great on ps3, that's what I played it on. It may look a bit better on 360, but I think it's often over exaggerated how much.

u know the wii is not even hd i dont see people whinny about its crappy graphics.

It has more vegetation and less detail pop in. I think there's also supposed to be a resolution difference, but it is not blurry to me at all when I play it, so I doubt it's that big a difference.

It looks great on ps3, that's what I played it on. It may look a bit better on 360, but I think it's often over exaggerated how much.

Pug-Nasty

The blur and sub HD is actually the biggest difference

It is not exaggerated, in pic comparisson the PS3 looks extremely blurry overall comparing

It looks better on 360 not because one is more powerful then the other but because of the way R* deved the game and **** up the porting.

It could have looked much better, R* could have optimized it for the ps3 but they were lazy..ThePsTriple

It looks better on 360 not because one is more powerful then the other but because of the way R* deved the game and **** up the porting.

XboximusPrime

Not saying 360 is more powerfull but werent there diferent teams developing the game for each console?

infamous 2 already looks better anywayTintedEyes

Better than Infamous1? I agree :P

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]infamous 2 already looks better anywayPAL360

Better than Infamous1? I agree :P

infamous 2 already looks better anywayTintedEyes

Not even close imo

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]infamous 2 already looks better anywayTintedEyes

Better than Infamous1? I agree :P

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]infamous 2 already looks better anywaya_simple_gamer

Not even close imo

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Better than Infamous1? I agree :P

PAL360

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]infamous 2 already looks better anywaya_simple_gamer

Not even close imo

RDR does'nt look that good on any console. I hate the character models. GTA4 engine shows here and there.

I know this might sound silly and crazy because it opposes the logical and technicality of gaming electronic equipments, but the real reason why most games looks and runs better on the Xbox 360 over the Playstation number 3, is because of magic. If you look at the technical statistics for the Playstation number 3 and Xbox 360 on paper, you would believe the Playstation number 3 has the advantage. But when things are said and done, the belief doesn't compute with reality and you realize that the Xbox 360 versions are superior. That's when the magic happens. Microsoft are plain and simply magical in every way imaginable while Sony is not and does not have the magic, in my personal educated reality of opinions.

i think it does, especially with a city instead of a desert and destructible environments and a lot more npcs all while looking fantastic, people didnt even think the gameplay was realTintedEyes

My hopes for inFamous 2 is as high as anyones, but saying it will will surpass RDR when the final version of the game isn't even built is really reaching. We can't call it real gameplay until it's actually on our TV screens.

RDR does'nt look that good on any console. I hate the character models. GTA4 engine shows here and there.

Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] i think it does, especially with a city instead of a desert and destructible environments and a lot more npcs all while looking fantastic, people didnt even think the gameplay was realstandarddamage

My hopes for inFamous 2 is as high as anyones, but saying it will will surpass RDR when the final version of the game isn't even built is really reaching. We can't call it real gameplay until it's actually on our TV screens.

The engine for RDR doesn't work really well with the PS3.

It's really unoptimized for the PS3 hardware, as it did not use any of the PS3's SPU's, and other features....

siddhu33

because the PS3 is a game machine that has difficulties with game optimization. when a PS3 exclusive title like uncharted comes out that utilizes the PS3's strenghths its a great looking game.

thats because Naughty dog will NEVER tell you that the cell processor is really the 360 Xenos and vice versa.

dean tekahashi explains this in his book better than i can

LINK

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Uncloaked-Microsofts-Next-Generation/dp/0977784215

The 360 cpu was basically ripped off from the cell, its a variant of it made to work better with current dev tools. but COWS will NEVER accept this as they have been trained for 15 years to believe EVERYTHING sony tells them.

but the true test of your system is how well it handles Multiplatform titles in comparison with its nearest competition. and in that battle the PS3 has been losing to 360 year after year.

how gamers got tricked into believing that the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360 based off of Uncharted 2 is beyond me.

this is further exasperated by lying PS3 developers like naughty dog and suckerpunch quoting the now famous '' this game can only be done on PS3 '' crap.

when in reality Uncharted 2 would have probably ran smoother and looked sharper on the 360.

now SW fans, how do we know this, the past 6 years of 360 multiplats ( Bayonetta, RDR, GTA 4, MW2 the list goes on to infinity ) should tell you this. Rage next year will tell you this also, and how about Enslaved by the makers of Heavenly Sword.

remember how the Heavenly Sword Engine was only possible on the PS3? and how the visuals of HS were ONLY possible on the CELL?

Well here is the Heavenly Sword engine running on the 360

Enslaved xbox 360

LINK

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/142/14249395/imgs_1.html

you have to learn to listen to none of what Sony and their fans say and believe half of what you see.

they will NEVER give the 360 its due after Gears of War curbstomped Resistance back in 2006.

lets move on please.

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

The engine for RDR doesn't work really well with the PS3.

It's really unoptimized for the PS3 hardware, as it did not use any of the PS3's SPU's, and other features....

Tessellation

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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]infamous 2 already looks better anywayusule

Not even close imo

I have watched the gameplay video of Infamous 2, the graphics are very dated, there is nothing even remotly close to RDR graphics there, maybe the crispness, but textures, shaders, lighting, shading, flat buildingsetc all look worst on Infamous 2 imo

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="siddhu33"]

The engine for RDR doesn't work really well with the PS3.

It's really unoptimized for the PS3 hardware, as it did not use any of the PS3's SPU's, and other features....

TintedEyes

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

It has more vegetation and less detail pop in. I think there's also supposed to be a resolution difference, but it is not blurry to me at all when I play it, so I doubt it's that big a difference.

It looks great on ps3, that's what I played it on. It may look a bit better on 360, but I think it's often over exaggerated how much.

a_simple_gamer

The blur and sub HD is actually the biggest difference

It is not exaggerated, in pic comparisson the PS3 looks extremely blurry overall comparing

I don't play games in still photo mode. how it looks while in motion is the only thing that matters. In motion it is quite crisp.

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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

It has more vegetation and less detail pop in. I think there's also supposed to be a resolution difference, but it is not blurry to me at all when I play it, so I doubt it's that big a difference.

It looks great on ps3, that's what I played it on. It may look a bit better on 360, but I think it's often over exaggerated how much.

Pug-Nasty

The blur and sub HD is actually the biggest difference

It is not exaggerated, in pic comparisson the PS3 looks extremely blurry overall comparing

I don't play games in still photo mode. how it looks while in motion is the only thing that matters. In motion it is quite crisp.

Like with all games, if you dont put them side by side, you will never know the difference anyway

but the fact is that if you played it on 360, you would be looking at a far crisper picture with more visible detail, not only due to more grass but due to actual visible detail that gets lost in PS3 version due to blur

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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] no than rdr, and with more things going on tooTintedEyes

The lightning, shadows and draw distance seems to be superior in RDR..+ the color palette make it look very realistic :)