Really can’t understand console players in this century

Right so normally when you complain/criticise and element of something, you tend to link it to a "problem". As in "PC gaming has TOO many options because"...

So you just wanted to moan about nothing then?

And I said PC doesn't work where exactly?

Seems like we have another hermit here who's too dumb to not grasp the conversation at hand so resorts to making his own subject matter up as a result.

So your reply has just cemented the fact you made stuff up...... and as I said, if I have to explain to you why PC being fragmented as a platform is bad there's no hope for you.

Oh please. You'd be lost if you actually had to say anything concrete.

I never implied you said PCs don't work. I just asserted that they work better than PS4s. That's just a fact. System Wars is about the facts. Don't get upset at things you can't control.

And while we're at it, why don't you try refuting facts instead of just calling people dumb - or at least be more creative about it.

Seems like we have another cow that takes forever to say nothing.

No you stated the obvious with no further point and now your just running around in circles.

kinda funny really, can't find anything legit as ammo.

I'm running around in circles? I'm not the one who made a completely stupid claim through making ASSumptions.

And you are the one going around in circles to try and save face.

Stop butting in to conversations without reading the posts properly, it will prevent you from looking foolish.

We all know you don't have a real point.

"Fragmented" with negative connotations which is obviously what you was going for.

still can't clarify any further? coward.

And you're still trying to get out of it.

You made a dumb ass reply to my original post and now you're trying your damned hardest to try and wriggle out of it.

And getting a little personal now are we?

I'm not dodging anything.

What was your intent with stating its "too fragmented" what "problem" does that cause? other than "Difficulty/Frustration" ...

It's your turn to stop dodging.

I've already explained that to you twice now...... if you need me to explain that to you there's hope for you.

Do you admit you are hopeless, dumb and need me to break it down for you?

They work better then PS4's is not fact, don't confuse your opinion with fact.

PC's have massively more potential to have issues then consoles do.

So what we have determined is that your reply to what I originally said was dumb and had nothing to do with what I said.

Awesome..... dumb hermit logic at its best.

Yea go on then, explain why its bad that its and I quote "TOO" (who sets the bar? YOU? lol) fragmented?

Go on buddy, spell it out like the elite high IQ individual you think you are.

Fragmentation holds PC gaming back as a platform, developers having to account for older hardware, CPU's, OS's, drivers and other legacy hardware/software prevents them from truly pushing the software. On the flip side, catering to older hardware allows more people to play the games, and the people with good hardware get the best versions of games.

Want to make a PC game that needs a minimum of 8 CPU cores to run?....nope.....can't do it as they'll limit target audience and thus sales. So why do you think this is bad? new hardware comes out every 6 months, no developer would do that anyway..... its literally a nothing argument... fact still remains those with the 8 cores have a much smoother and prettier experience anyway... hardly a disadvantage.

Want to exclusively use a state of the art DX12 render path in your game? Only if you want people running Windows 10 to be able to play it and miss out on all those sales from people on other OS's. in the same way consoles don't have pro exclusives. This is no different. (talking about this as a whole)

STEAM, UPlay, Origin...... PSN prices... PSN prices... PSN prices ... Retail Prices..... Limited content.... less variety, less competition. yuck.

DX10, DX11, DX12, OpenGL, DXR, Vulkan..... You can make a list of different standards that barely affect anyone. - Consoles - limited, not moving on for 6 years.

Choice is good, too much choice is bad...... As apposed to no choice is terrible. in this case its very obvious what people need. and Too many options provides niches for all types of people.

Consoles may not be as powerful as PC but as development platforms they are far, far superior to PC. is that why 70% of all games are made on PC and most new genres that are now bigger than your blockbusters were born on it? ... simplicity? maybe... but that doesn't benefit me greatly, given far more developers the chance does.

A PC game powered by a pure, state of art DX12 renderer would be a site to behold....... but due to fragmented hardware and software configurations and a huge amount of users not having the capability to run such a game due to their software/hardware it will never happen.

And you are more then capable of understanding this and the problems fragmentation causes PC as a platform.

Your problems are not problems, they are fantasies.... minor preference issues at best.

What do you want? new hardware to only be announced once every 6 year until then software developers have to stick to 6 year old har.... oh. This imaginary "PC's are not worth it unless the Hardware is being used at its maximum with every new release" idea is obsurd.

The rest is just grasping.... none of that suggests "too many options" .... a handful of options is not too many.

YOU assumed we would agree with this hundrum? I mean I didn't even think of the above because its grasping so hard I gave you more credit. Never again.

I wasn't even talking about controller brands or types originally. All I meant was that a lot of games have only partial controller support, meaning you can't control 100% of the game (that includes menus) with a controller. The only controller I want to use is a PS4 controller, and I do just that on both PC and PS4. It was a small point, nothing more. It's probably the least important point of all the ones I made for why I prefer consoles, but I guess you can't fight the other ones so you picked that one.

I don't care if 5 billion people disagree with me about framerate. I'm not them. In my physical body and in my mind, I don't feel any tangible difference in gameplay between 30 and 60fps. Yes, I see it. It's smoother-looking. It makes animation look nicer. It doesn't help me play any better. I really can't think of a game where 1/60th of a second is so critical to completing the game where 1/30th of a second would mean failure. If it's so important to you, wonderful. Enjoy your PC. I would never tell you what to prefer or what to care about. It simply makes no difference to me. It is not a plus in my mind, and will not push me to becoming more of a PC gamer. Things that you and other PC gamers here consider advantages are just not advantages to me.

You're not quite as bad as some of the others here (you're usually pretty respectful), but when people tell me I should prefer this thing because they care about things that are completely irrelevant to me, which is basically what the OP is doing, that's when there's a problem.

My day one Xbox One can play Forza Horizon 4 with ease. My pc which I bought at the same time as my X1, cannot.

That is literally the most retarded thing I've ever read, congratulations.

The fact you're comparing a machine that plays games to countries is moronic, congrats on being the dumbest person on the internet.

Mods for PC gaming are lame.

Same stuff. Different game.

Oh wow...you can change a character skin into iron man or see Lara Croft’s boobs...

Who cares? This isn’t 1998 and I am not a teenager anymore.

I feel sad for the 30-40 year old gamers who still get excited for Mods in PC games.

The whole “mods” selling point of PC gaming has never done it for me.

Well, most of your other points were preference. Which games you prefer, preferring to play on a TV, etc. But saying controller support is half-assed is just untrue which is why I picked it. :P Lol

I would agree with you if many multiplat games didn't fully support controllers, but pretty much all the ones I can think of do. And then, you're glossing over the fact that you can control the mouse with the joysticks if you use the optional steam controller overlay stuff. So yes, you can control the menus in PUBG with a controller. You can even do that in games like Hunt: Showdown, which are PC exclusive and don't support controller at all.

If anything, the controller options are insane on PC.

Fragmentation holds PC gaming back as a platform, developers having to account for older hardware, CPU's, OS's, drivers and other legacy hardware/software prevents them from truly pushing the software.

Want to make a PC game that needs a minimum of 8 CPU cores to run?....nope.....can't do it as they'll limit target audience and thus sales.

Want to exclusively use a state of the art DX12 render path in your game? Only if you want people running Windows 10 to be able to play it and miss out on all those sales from people on other OS's.

STEAM, UPlay, Origin......

DX10, DX11, DX12, OpenGL, DXR, Vulkan.....

Choice is good, too much choice is bad......

Consoles may not be as powerful as PC but as development platforms they are far, far superior to PC.

A PC game powered by a pure, state of art DX12 renderer would be a site to behold....... but due to fragmented hardware and software configurations and a huge amount of users not having the capability to run such a game due to their software/hardware it will never happen.

And you are more then capable of understanding this and the problems fragmentation causes PC as a platform.

Consoles are fragmented now too. And the base model Xbox One and PS4 are far weaker than just about any PC anyone would still be using for gaming. Their hardware is comparable to what most PC gamers were using in 2010 or 2011. They are really holding the X1X and PS4 Pro back as everything has to be designed to work on them.

PCs overcome fragmentation by having adjustable settings. What you are describing actually isn't that big of a deal on PC.

I know less and less people with a PC or laptop.

They check FB, Twitter, Amazon and maybe Youtube on their IPad or their cell phone.

PC or Laptop at work is essential.

PCs are just boring. I only use them for work.

Most people don't even use the old clunky desktops any more, with tablets and smartphones doing everything people need instead. PC doesn't even get a lot of the good stuff these days.

Play Assassin's Creed Origins on a tablet, go on, I'm waiting.

That is weird.

Yes, in the past century consoles were (almost) the only way to play, PCs were expensive as a car, complex to use, and you really did not need them for your normal life, consoles had a real meaning in that century, which was: to play many, cheap and easy.

But in this century, when everyone has (and need) a PC, and also, when consoles have less and less exclusivity, having more than 90% of their catalogue in multiplatform (which works better on PC, timeless and with mods, obvious)... here we have an... outdated... console fanboy core blaming the best device ever created to play, which has more freedom than any other device, with all genres, timeless without 'generations', with free online, cheaper games, even emulating all consoles from the past, able to modify games to the absurd, even creating entire new genres (which are famous later on consoles, you can thank us whenever you want, you know).

What’s wrong with them?

@DragonfireXZ95: Wait, you can buy PCs elsewhere?!?

Jk.

When I bought it, it was capable of playing ‘most’ games I discovered. But due to the industry’s rapid tech progression, it’s deemed obsolete. For my tastes anyway.

For the record, I did buy it at BestBuy!

@DragonfireXZ95: Wait, you can buy PCs elsewhere?!?

Jk.

When I bought it, it was capable of playing ‘most’ games I discovered. But due to the industry’s rapid tech progression, it’s deemed obsolete. For my tastes anyway.

For the record, I did buy it at BestBuy!

That's what happens when you buy a cheap PC from Best Buy or Walmart.

It's called pre-build PC's you fool!

PCs are just boring. I only use them for work.