Recent Zelda trailer shows Nintendo has lost their minds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwMdcESljqg

The above trailer is how gamers reacted to Twilight Princess. There isn't any of this same excitement for Skyward Sword, and it's easy to see why.

First Nintendo thought that it was a great idea to make a Kirby game (Epic Yarn) that removed pretty much every aspect of what made Kirby what it is. I have no beef with the art but Epic Yarn's gameplay was about as "Kirby" as Starfox Adventures is "Starfox".

Then, they though that it was a great idea to make a Metroid game (Other M) with a bunch of voice acting, cutscenes, pointless NPCs, and with very little meaningful exploration.

Now, they're really losing it. Skyward Sword has some of the most boring combat I've ever seen in a Zelda game, and I am convinced that the game's replayability is going to be close to nothing. Why has combat become a puzzle? One of the best parts of Zelda is the fast-paced combat, but why do I need to hold my controller this way or that way to fight enemies? This "puzzle approach" of killing enemies with a specific motion guesture removes any player creativity and any flexibility in combat. The trailer makes Skyward Sword look like one big puzzle game with gimmicky combat. If you've played Zelda long enough, you know that the series' replayability does NOT come from the puzzles (because they have a one-shot solution). The replayability comes from fun combat. As the series has progressed beyond Link to the Past and Ocarina, the combat has become less and less varied.

Now go ahead and watch how people first reacted to Skyward Sword. (starts at 2:15). It was such a tame reaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmcBXgnrC8&feature=related

What's next? Super Mario Galaxy 3 where Mario has to gain experience and do fetch quests instead of platforming?

If they kept it the same:

"Bu-bu-but Nintendo never changes anything! Rehash! Stuck in the past!"

If they change it:

"THEY RUINED IT THEY'VE LOST THEIR MINDS, IDIOTS GOSH!"

You've never played the game, chill a bit and wait for it to come out before you start bawing

Over reaction. I think Epic Yarn is great, I know SW loves its so called challenging games and gritty BS hardcore gamers garbage but Epic Yarn was a fine game that did a lot of things right. Haven't played other m nor do I think it looks good but just me. Skyward Sword is showing off the new combat system, I'm fine with that, Zelda games don't have any sort of special combat that makes me think SS is going to be a regression. As for the puzzles, they didn't show many, it was mostly just a combat trailer. Admittedly it was not at all a well put together trailerbut the actual content alone of the trailer was nothing bad. Also, LttP is my favourite Zelda game and the combat isn't anything special or varied at all. Some weapon specific enemies and you could use a lot of the weapons on multiple enemies (but why would you when the sword was the most efficient killing weapon?)

Yeah i dont know how to feel about SS. Like im happy that there is a new game, but everything they've shown so far seems slow...

The Zelda fanbase is one of the worse along with CoD, Sonic, FF and Pokemon.

93BlackHawk93

Honestly, I don't think the COD fanbase is as bipolar or crazy as the other 4. They're just brogamers. :P

The Zelda fanbase is one of the worse along with CoD, Sonic, FF and Pokemon.

93BlackHawk93

You must be a Zelda fanboy who has never played Devil May Cry 3 in Turbo Mode. Because you cry about change and think combat in Zelda games is "fast paced." If anything, Skyward Sword doesn't look like it has changed enough given how much Aonuma has talked about "overhauling" it.

The reaction to Zelda games never ceases to amaze me with how bipolar it is.

We barely know anything about the game. lol.

The new trailer just showed us more of what the combat will be like, which is typical Zelda - except now you have to defeat enemies based off of visual hints and the improved accuracy of the Wiimote.

We still don't know much about how the structure of the game is. Nintendo has said it'll be structured differently, so we have yet to see that.

The reaction to Zelda games never ceases to amaze me with how bipolar it is.

789shadow

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The reaction to Zelda games never ceases to amaze me with how bipolar it is.

foxhound_fox

Another thing: Zelda apparently is the only series where making incredibly broad judgement about the entire game after two trailers is okay.

You must be a Zelda fanboy who has never played Devil May Cry 3 in Turbo Mode. Because you cry about change and think combat in Zelda games is "fast paced." If anything, Skyward Sword doesn't look like it has changed enough given how much Aonuma has talked about "overhauling" it.

foxhound_fox

I think its hard to get excited for a Zelda game that looks so dated. This will be the first Zelda game that will fail to impress anyone graphically.

I am happy so far. I am not going to say I am 100% confident, but I am pretty darn confident ;). You simply cannot capture what Zelda is all about in a video like this.

Another thing: Zelda apparently is the only series where making incredibly broad judgement about the entire game after two trailers is okay.

789shadow

Bu-bu I want a manly grim dark link I don't want color bawwww

Another thing: Zelda apparently is the only series where making incredibly broad judgement about the entire game after two trailers is okay.

789shadow

Um yeah, there was that kind of excitement in the crowd when Skyward Sword was announced. There's a ton of hype for SS in real life, but in System Wars no one seems to be talking about it, although it seems like the majority of System Warriors think Zelda is a brilliant series and will continue to be.

I've played DMC3 but I'm a Zelda fan from the NES, not the N64. Go back and use your DMC3 skills on Zelda I and II and then get back to me on that one, kay?Mrmccormo

Windwaker- It's cell shaded, fans complain that it isn't grim dark and realistic.

Twilight Princess- Realistic and grim dark, fans complain that it's not stylistic and cell shaded like Wind Waker

Skyward Sword- Nintendo brings back the stylized visuals, fans complain that it's not realistic ...

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Another thing: Zelda apparently is the only series where making incredibly broad judgement about the entire game after two trailers is okay.

Mrmccormo

1. When did they say more scenes? Why would a FEW scenes be bad anyway?
2. One shot puzzles? What do you even mean?
3. less exploration? If you are comparing it to TP than they said TP had a too open and lonely world, and they want preffered the style of past zeldas instead, like OoT and MM, and I agree.
4. gimmicky? It seems great and adds depth to the game.

One of the best parts of Zelda is the fast-paced combat

Mrmccormo

What in the world is this... Zelda has never been about fast paced combat, it's been mostly about puzzles and exploration... the boss fights are always puzzles. You want combat go play God of War, Zelda was never about the combat and I hope it never is.

There's reasons why people reacted the way they did for Twilight Princess, mostly that it was 100% unexpected by everybody. Skyward Sword had already been announced before the E3 trailer, it was no surprise to anybody. But that's not to say people weren't excited about, there was cheering among the press, and I pumped my fist during the live stream. But we all knew it was coming, unlike TP.

Yeah i dont know how to feel about SS. Like im happy that there is a new game, but everything they've shown so far seems slow...

painguy1

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Have you played DMC3 on anything beyond Easy? Because you would do nothing but agree with me and would have never claimed Zelda combat as "fast-paced" had you done so. Zelda combat is slow and clunky compared to DMC3... not even on Turbo.

foxhound_fox

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One of the best parts of Zelda is the fast-paced combat

oldkingallant

What in the world is this... Zelda has never been about fast paced combat, it's been mostly about puzzles and exploration... the boss fights are always puzzles. You want combat go play God of War, Zelda was never about the combat and I hope it never is.

This just shows how different Zelda is today compared to how it used to be. Zelda was original advertised as "the action of the arcade with the depth of a computer RPG" by Nintendo themselves. There were very few puzzles in the series until Ocarina. Up to that point, it was mostly finding keys or finding novel ways of opening doors (sliding blocks, etc).

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

The reaction to Zelda games never ceases to amaze me with how bipolar it is.

foxhound_fox

If they kept it the same:

"Bu-bu-but Nintendo never changes anything! Rehash! Stuck in the past!"

If they change it:

"THEY RUINED IT THEY'VE LOST THEIR MINDS, IDIOTS GOSH!"

You've never played the game, chill a bit and wait for it to come out before you start bawing

WreckEm711

That's true for most things.

It's the They Changed It Now It Sucks effect.

more like "recent zelda trailer has nay sayers worried it will be another amazing game"

[...] so what's with the rabid defense of DMC?Mrmccormo

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[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]Chill out. I have played and beaten DMC1 and 3 on Normal. DMC2 lost my interest. I still say ****c Zelda's combat is fast-paced. Nowhere did I say that it was faster than DMC, so what's with the rabid defense of DMC?

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[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]

One of the best parts of Zelda is the fast-paced combat

Mrmccormo

What in the world is this... Zelda has never been about fast paced combat, it's been mostly about puzzles and exploration... the boss fights are always puzzles. You want combat go play God of War, Zelda was never about the combat and I hope it never is.

This just shows how different Zelda is today compared to how it used to be. Zelda was original advertised as "the action of the arcade with the depth of a computer RPG" by Nintendo themselves. There were very few puzzles in the series until Ocarina. Up to that point, it was mostly finding keys or finding novel ways of opening doors (sliding blocks, etc).

Windwaker- It's cell shaded, fans complain that it isn't grim dark and realistic.

Twilight Princess- Realistic and grim dark, fans complain that it's not stylistic and cell shaded like Wind Waker

Skyward Sword- Nintendo brings back the stylized visuals, fans complain that it's not realistic ...

SAGE_OF_FIRE

Nintendo must be pretty crazy in the head to be able to consistantly make so many quality games in so many years.

Bu-bu I want a manly grim dark link I don't want color bawwww

SAGE_OF_FIRE

If they kept it the same:

"Bu-bu-but Nintendo never changes anything! Rehash! Stuck in the past!"

If they change it:

"THEY RUINED IT THEY'VE LOST THEIR MINDS, IDIOTS GOSH!"

You've never played the game, chill a bit and wait for it to come out before you start bawing

WreckEm711

Brofist bro, brofist. The first response to this topic is what I was going to put (more or less). :P

I agree, my excitement for this game is rock bottom. I remember when I used to LOVE Nintendo games. Now my Wii has been gathering dust since Mario Galaxy 2.rcignoni

People were crying because of the video, jesus. I just guess they had been waiting for a decent console Zelda title for a while, and TP is still fresh in the mind of Zelda fans.

In any case, this was a GDC game demonstration. It wasn't a trailer. I tell you: E3 will have cheering morons and crying people, just like TP did.

Zelda? Fast paced combat? I don't know what game you were playing. Zelda has always focused more on adventure and puzzles than combat.

People were crying because of the video, jesus. I just guess they had been waiting for a decent console Zelda title for a while, and TP is still fresh in the mind of Zelda fans.

In any case, this was a GDC game demonstration. It wasn't a trailer. I tell you: E3 will have cheering morons and crying people, just like TP did.

TehOverkill

That's because everyone wanted an OOT styled game with adult Link sooooo badly. We were teased by the Space World demo, only to get that cell shaded and polarizing game, Wind Waker. That TP trailer still gives me chills.

If they kept it the same:

"Bu-bu-but Nintendo never changes anything! Rehash! Stuck in the past!"

If they change it:

"THEY RUINED IT THEY'VE LOST THEIR MINDS, IDIOTS GOSH!"

You've never played the game, chill a bit and wait for it to come out before you start bawing

I'm very skeptical about this Zelda...

If its "oh look the monster opened his mouth this way! Slash up and down!!!" It's probably a no buy for me... unless the story is just amazing.

Nintendo lost it along time ago, they are a joke to me. Games no longer appeal which is sad because mario and zelda is what I grew up on. RIP

[QUOTE="rcignoni"]I agree, my excitement for this game is rock bottom. I remember when I used to LOVE Nintendo games. Now my Wii has been gathering dust since Mario Galaxy 2.oldkingallant