Reggie says it's our fault if we're disappointed with Nintendo's E3 conference

The title is a bit out of context.

Reggie never said that.

He said that you can't please Nintendo fans because they constantly ask for more, which is entirely true. It doesn't matter if you do what Nintendo did in 2010 with Kirby, Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Metroid - They want more, they'll ask 'where is Star Fox, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, etc?'. This is not exclusive to Nintendo, the gaming community in it's entirety is filled whiny people who complain about absolutely everything. Not only this, but the entire Mass Effect 3 ending fiasco was ridiculous.

Furthermore, this E3 proved that it's not as important any more for core players. Companies are better off announcing these things on their own and getting their own spotlight. Just look at what Nintendo did before and after E3, just look at what Call of Duty did a while ago. E3's importance lies with mainstream media and getting that spot rather than for core, because we'll be the ones who actively watch Nintendo Direct whenever they announce it - not the mainstream.

Haziqonfire

While I agree with some of it, I have to disagree with them being unable to please Nintendo fans. When Nintendo unveiled the Wii everybody was excited about it--I remember the lines and the amount of people who were running in order to try out the system. Of course a lot of the conference was complete bullcrap, but then again so was the competition--with a bunch of prerendered footage, which shows just how much respect these companies have for the consumer.

Yes people are hard to please, but then again we're the customers, we're financing them, we're suppposed to be pleased in order for said company to gain a profit. If the competition offers something that is more impressive, or just as crappy, we have a right to not be pleased about it. After all, it's our money, we put hours of work and sacrifice in order to gain it, we do with it whatever the hell we please. You put out a product that doesn't impress people, and what happens? Nintendo is a company, this simply doesn't sound very professional.

Yes it's all the customers fault, there's no possible way that we, a company, might have had a weak showing of a product of ours.

We might be hard to please and whiny, but coming from a company whose life blood is us, this just doesn't sound much better from them.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Fvck him. They are trying to sell us expensive goods. It's their job to impress us. We don't owe them anything.kuu2

Oh it is very much a two way system. Said company wows me with products and customer service and I wow them with money to pay for said products and services. Nintendo does not wow me in any way so they are not getting my money. Many people must agree with me because Nintendo is currently losing billions of dollars. Maybe the great Reggie is one of these executives that thinks he can throw the fanbase anything and they will lap it up? Reggie should ask Ken Kutaragi how well that worked out for him.

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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] And they dont owe you anything either. consumers like to think its a one way system... its not.nintendoboy16

Oh it is very much a two way system. Said company wows me with products and customer service and I wow them with money to pay for said products and services. Nintendo does not wow me in any way so they are not getting my money. Many people must agree with me because Nintendo is currently losing billions of dollars. Maybe the great Reggie is one of these executives that thinks he can throw the fanbase anything and they will lap it up? Reggie should ask Ken Kutaragi how well that worked out for him.

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[QUOTE="kuu2"]

Oh it is very much a two way system. Said company wows me with products and customer service and I wow them with money to pay for said products and services. Nintendo does not wow me in any way so they are not getting my money. Many people must agree with me because Nintendo is currently losing billions of dollars. Maybe the great Reggie is one of these executives that thinks he can throw the fanbase anything and they will lap it up? Reggie should ask Ken Kutaragi how well that worked out for him.

JLF1MarkII

See my edit...nintendoboy16

He is wrong about them loosing billions of dollars though. I think they only lost a little over 500million. Unless he's talking about stock-value.

What a stupid thing to say. This is like the equivalent of a sports icon like LeBron James blaming his teammates for a loss. You never see sports icons throwing teammates under the bus. Key words you always see are "we" lost as a team. "I" could have done certain things better. It's just one of those unwritten rules that you abide by to not attract negative attention towards yourself, even if it was your teammates' fault and even if you did everything possible to win.

Throwing your fanbase under the bus like this is entirely unacceptable, even if he's right. He should be sucking his fanbase's ****s because they don't owe Nintendo anything. Video games are a luxury hobby, no one needs them for anything. It's their job to make their products worth buying, and it's also normal for people to want more. What are fans supposed to do, become complacent? It goes against human nature to become complacent.

Reggie in the wrong here, big time. Especially considering that Nintendo had by far the worst E3 showing. Sony had games like The Last of Us, Beyond, God of War. Microsoft had a great Halo 4 showing. Nintendo showed 2011 PS3/360 games on their brand new, "next gen" console. They showed a New Super Mario Bros. game with Wii quality graphics, and a new Pikmin 3 that was also not pushing anything I would consider "next gen" hardware. I've already made up my mind that I'm going to buy a Wii U, but this year and last year's E3 showings have done nothing but detract from my interest in the system. I'm a fan of Nintendo and I always have been, but Reggie needs to STFU. If he put forth a solid showing at E3, maybe he'd have a point, but he didn't. Nintendo didn't.

What a stupid thing to say. This is like the equivalent of a sports icon like LeBron James blaming his teammates for a loss. You never see sports icons throwing teammates under the bus. Key words you always see are "we" lost as a team. "I" could have done certain things better. It's just one of those unwritten rules that you abide by to not attract negative attention towards yourself, even if it was your teammates' fault and even if you did everything possible to win.

Throwing your fanbase under the bus like this is entirely unacceptable, even if he's right. He should be sucking his fanbase's ****s because they don't owe Nintendo anything. Video games are a luxury hobby, no one needs them for anything. It's their job to make their products worth buying, and it's also normal for people to want more. What are fans supposed to do, become complacent? It goes against human nature to become complacent.

Reggie in the wrong here, big time. Especially considering that Nintendo had by far the worst E3 showing. Sony had games like The Last of Us, Beyond, God of War. Microsoft had a great Halo 4 showing. Nintendo showed 2011 PS3/360 games on their brand new, "next gen" console. They showed a New Super Mario Bros. game with Wii quality graphics, and a new Pikmin 3 that was also not pushing anything I would consider "next gen" hardware. I've already made up my mind that I'm going to buy a Wii U, but this year and last year's E3 showings have done nothing but detract from my interest in the system. I'm a fan of Nintendo and I always have been, but Reggie needs to STFU. If he put forth a solid showing at E3, maybe he'd have a point, but he didn't. Nintendo didn't.

arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

What a stupid thing to say. This is like the equivalent of a sports icon like LeBron James blaming his teammates for a loss. You never see sports icons throwing teammates under the bus. Key words you always see are "we" lost as a team. "I" could have done certain things better. It's just one of those unwritten rules that you abide by to not attract negative attention towards yourself, even if it was your teammates' fault and even if you did everything possible to win.

Throwing your fanbase under the bus like this is entirely unacceptable, even if he's right. He should be sucking his fanbase's ****s because they don't owe Nintendo anything. Video games are a luxury hobby, no one needs them for anything. It's their job to make their products worth buying, and it's also normal for people to want more. What are fans supposed to do, become complacent? It goes against human nature to become complacent.

Reggie in the wrong here, big time. Especially considering that Nintendo had by far the worst E3 showing. Sony had games like The Last of Us, Beyond, God of War. Microsoft had a great Halo 4 showing. Nintendo showed 2011 PS3/360 games on their brand new, "next gen" console. They showed a New Super Mario Bros. game with Wii quality graphics, and a new Pikmin 3 that was also not pushing anything I would consider "next gen" hardware. I've already made up my mind that I'm going to buy a Wii U, but this year and last year's E3 showings have done nothing but detract from my interest in the system. I'm a fan of Nintendo and I always have been, but Reggie needs to STFU. If he put forth a solid showing at E3, maybe he'd have a point, but he didn't. Nintendo didn't.

LastRambo341

I'd be inclined to agree that fans shouldn't complain if video games were free, but they're not. They cost money. Fans can either shut up or speak their minds, and they're obviously going to speak their minds. Nintendo got ranked dead last by every major publication for their E3 showing, and no, it's not because people weren't, "playing their games in person". It wasn't because, "Nintendo isn't about power". It was because their conference flat out sucked.

Not only that, Reggie is acting like a complete noob for saying something like this. No matter what, no matter what you do, you don't throw your fanbase under the bus. It doesn't matter what happens, what anyone says, what anyone does, you just don't do that. Video games are $60 bucks a pop and new consoles run for $400 bucks. It's Nintendo's job to sell the system and make it appealing. If their idea of making a system appealing is by showing games that we all played on PS3 and 360 last year, then I lol at that. I did lol at that.

If Nintendo had a great E3 showing and fans were showing signs of backlash, Reggie still shouldn't have said anything against the fans. But the fact that they had the worst E3 showing by a long shot, evidenced by a universal agreement across all major gaming publications, the fact that he threw fans under the bus is entirely unacceptable.

It's the equivalent of a fat kid blaming McDonalds for being fat.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

What a stupid thing to say. This is like the equivalent of a sports icon like LeBron James blaming his teammates for a loss. You never see sports icons throwing teammates under the bus. Key words you always see are "we" lost as a team. "I" could have done certain things better. It's just one of those unwritten rules that you abide by to not attract negative attention towards yourself, even if it was your teammates' fault and even if you did everything possible to win.

Throwing your fanbase under the bus like this is entirely unacceptable, even if he's right. He should be sucking his fanbase's ****s because they don't owe Nintendo anything. Video games are a luxury hobby, no one needs them for anything. It's their job to make their products worth buying, and it's also normal for people to want more. What are fans supposed to do, become complacent? It goes against human nature to become complacent.

Reggie in the wrong here, big time. Especially considering that Nintendo had by far the worst E3 showing. Sony had games like The Last of Us, Beyond, God of War. Microsoft had a great Halo 4 showing. Nintendo showed 2011 PS3/360 games on their brand new, "next gen" console. They showed a New Super Mario Bros. game with Wii quality graphics, and a new Pikmin 3 that was also not pushing anything I would consider "next gen" hardware. I've already made up my mind that I'm going to buy a Wii U, but this year and last year's E3 showings have done nothing but detract from my interest in the system. I'm a fan of Nintendo and I always have been, but Reggie needs to STFU. If he put forth a solid showing at E3, maybe he'd have a point, but he didn't. Nintendo didn't.

arkephonic

I'd be inclined to agree that fans shouldn't complain if video games were free, but they're not. They cost money. Fans can either shut up or speak their minds, and they're obviously going to speak their minds. Nintendo got ranked dead last by every major publication for their E3 showing, and no, it's not because people weren't, "playing their games in person". It wasn't because, "Nintendo isn't about power". It was because their conference flat out sucked.

Not only that, Reggie is acting like a complete noob for saying something like this. No matter what, no matter what you do, you don't throw your fanbase under the bus. It doesn't matter what happens, what anyone says, what anyone does, you just don't do that. Video games are $60 bucks a pop and new consoles run for $400 bucks. It's Nintendo's job to sell the system and make it appealing. If their idea of making a system appealing is by showing games that we all played on PS3 and 360 last year, then I lol at that. I did lol at that.

If Nintendo had a great E3 showing and fans were showing signs of backlash, Reggie still shouldn't have said anything against the fans. But the fact that they had the worst E3 showing by a long shot, evidenced by a universal agreement across all major gaming publications, the fact that he threw fans under the bus is entirely unacceptable.

It's the equivalent of a fat kid blaming McDonalds for being fat.

Fvck him. They are trying to sell us expensive goods. It's their job to impress us. We don't owe them anything.locopatho

Exactly this. If they're trying to sell consumers on multiple pieces of hardware that cost around $180 and $250-400 and all the software for each respective platform, they can't keep on with such poor E3 showings and expect us to be awed.

What people are wrong about here is that he is blaming gamers, no, he is saying it is challenging to excite us, well, when I read more than what was posted here. I have to say, I some-what agree, while the conference was boring, the information and announcements were pretty good, I'm interested in Nintendo Land and Zombi U the only thing wrong was the SiNG segment, and again, it was boring. A lot of the disappointment came from "I want a real Mario game." "Where is Starfox?" "Looks weak." This is our fault, we were never told we would see any of that, those are expectations, and they were too high for some. I'm happy with the announcements even the "I already played that!" announcements, because not everyone has, including me. These are all launch window titles, they didn't announce Zelda or a "real" Mario, because it isn't ready, they want you to know what is going to be available with the system, what you will be getting and what they know is there.

Remember the 3DS? There wasn't anything there at launch, everyone who bought it was pretty much waiting for the down-the-road announcements like Mario 3D Land Luigi's Mansion, all that good stuff, but until then, they had nothing it was pointless owning a 3DS, they were disappointed. Yes this is a generalization, you might not have been disappointed, I'm making a point. Now they are doing the opposite, showing you what you will be able to play.

Also, I've seen the ending to Mass Effect, it is BS, from a game where decisions mattering was a selling point, I expect them to.

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] I disagree, because Reggie and Nintendo showed some games, but people aren't getting pleased. Nintendo did their job by providing and showing GAMES, but if people are unpleasable, then that is THEIR problem. You're talking about how the games weren't so "next-gen": 1) Those are UNFINISHED LAUNCH/FIRST WAVE of WiiU games 2) Judge the graphics in person, not from screenshots or videos 3) You know this very well but the WiiU and Nintendo aren't about power, its about games and gameplay innovation. Otherwise, the GC would have been number one and the Wii would have lost.LastRambo341

I'd be inclined to agree that fans shouldn't complain if video games were free, but they're not. They cost money. Fans can either shut up or speak their minds, and they're obviously going to speak their minds. Nintendo got ranked dead last by every major publication for their E3 showing, and no, it's not because people weren't, "playing their games in person". It wasn't because, "Nintendo isn't about power". It was because their conference flat out sucked.

Not only that, Reggie is acting like a complete noob for saying something like this. No matter what, no matter what you do, you don't throw your fanbase under the bus. It doesn't matter what happens, what anyone says, what anyone does, you just don't do that. Video games are $60 bucks a pop and new consoles run for $400 bucks. It's Nintendo's job to sell the system and make it appealing. If their idea of making a system appealing is by showing games that we all played on PS3 and 360 last year, then I lol at that. I did lol at that.

If Nintendo had a great E3 showing and fans were showing signs of backlash, Reggie still shouldn't have said anything against the fans. But the fact that they had the worst E3 showing by a long shot, evidenced by a universal agreement across all major gaming publications, the fact that he threw fans under the bus is entirely unacceptable.

It's the equivalent of a fat kid blaming McDonalds for being fat.

Sucks to be me? You act like Nintendo is the only option for gamers. All this means is that Sony and Microsoft will be getting more of my money that could have been directed towards Nintendo. I'm not going to be running out of options anytime soon.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I'd be inclined to agree that fans shouldn't complain if video games were free, but they're not. They cost money. Fans can either shut up or speak their minds, and they're obviously going to speak their minds. Nintendo got ranked dead last by every major publication for their E3 showing, and no, it's not because people weren't, "playing their games in person". It wasn't because, "Nintendo isn't about power". It was because their conference flat out sucked.

Not only that, Reggie is acting like a complete noob for saying something like this. No matter what, no matter what you do, you don't throw your fanbase under the bus. It doesn't matter what happens, what anyone says, what anyone does, you just don't do that. Video games are $60 bucks a pop and new consoles run for $400 bucks. It's Nintendo's job to sell the system and make it appealing. If their idea of making a system appealing is by showing games that we all played on PS3 and 360 last year, then I lol at that. I did lol at that.

If Nintendo had a great E3 showing and fans were showing signs of backlash, Reggie still shouldn't have said anything against the fans. But the fact that they had the worst E3 showing by a long shot, evidenced by a universal agreement across all major gaming publications, the fact that he threw fans under the bus is entirely unacceptable.

It's the equivalent of a fat kid blaming McDonalds for being fat.

arkephonic

Sucks to be me? You act like Nintendo is the only option for gamers. All this means is that Sony and Microsoft will be getting more of my money that could have been directed towards Nintendo. I'm not going to be running out of options anytime soon.

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] 1) So? 2) That is the reality. You can't please everyone. They pleased me so sucks to be you. Well, he just did, LOL @ you talking about video-game ethics and morals :lol: 3) Combination of 1 and 2LastRambo341

Sucks to be me? You act like Nintendo is the only option for gamers. All this means is that Sony and Microsoft will be getting more of my money that could have been directed towards Nintendo. I'm not going to be running out of options anytime soon.

I still don't see how it would suck to be me because I'm, "losing interest". I'm far from a Nintendo only gamer, and there are tons of other options to keep me busy until Nintendo decides to take their Wii U console seriously.

congratulations reggie, you've surpassed even loosingENDS with that logic.

we want more, because gave almost nothing.