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#51 glez13
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RE4 was one of the worst games I've played in the past few years.

Johnny_Rock

Nah, it's a good game. The only thing that pisses me is that it basically killed survival horror. Awful Resident Evil game.

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#52 Midnightshade29
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RE5 has nothing on this one. The whole co-op idea took away from the gameplay

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Exactly, if I wanted to play Army of Two in Africa, I would of bought army of two. Leave co-op for the side projects not main re games.
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#53 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="gamespot4life"]

RE5 has nothing on this one. The whole co-op idea took away from the gameplay

Midnightshade29

Exactly, if I wanted to play Army of Two in Africa, I would of bought army of two. Leave co-op for the side projects not main re games.

Doesn't help that her ai was abysmal. :P

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#54 BIOKILLER123
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Yep, it's an awesome game. However, I would have preferred Move controls in the HD port and because of this, the Wii version is still the superior version. Having said that, it's still an awesome game. I'm playing through it for the first time aiming with the analog stick. Which I have to say it's not as horrid as I first thought.

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#55 good_sk8er7
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I've owned it on PS2, PC, GC, and Wii.. Now I have it for PS3 too.

I've beaten it so many times And yet I still have no problem gluing myself to it now.

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#56 analogBalrog
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I bought RE4 HD for PS3 to play this week before Dark Souls hits next week. Despite how much I loved the original when it came out on the 'Cube, I must sadly admit, that I am severely disappointed with RE4 HD's controls. I forgot how awful they are. I probably will not be playing it much this week as I planned, and likely won't touch it after next Tuesday. :'(
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#57 Lethalhazard
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RE4 is an absolutely fantastic game. It blows away every TPS this gen IMO -- maybe not from a gameplay perspective but it's overall more interesting and deep.
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#58 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="gamespot4life"]

RE5 has nothing on this one. The whole co-op idea took away from the gameplay

lbjkurono23

Exactly, if I wanted to play Army of Two in Africa, I would of bought army of two. Leave co-op for the side projects not main re games.

Doesn't help that her ai was abysmal. :P

really? sheva's AI never bothered me once, I actually thought it was quite decent.
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#59 xYamatox
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I'd honestly swap out games that have come out this generation like Uncharted, Gears, Dead Space for a game of Resident Evil 4s caliber.

greenskittles

They did

and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.

What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.

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#60 Luxen90
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They did

and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.

What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.

xYamatox

No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times.

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#61 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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Yep it's a classic, and it's a shame Capcom took the same formula and completely ruined RE5.

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^^^^^this, I dont know what it is, but I couldnt even bring myself to finish RE5 yet I have beaten RE4 many times, one of my favorite games of all time.
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#62 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

They did

and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.

What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.

Luxen90

No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times.

Level design? Please explain. If you mean art style, than that is pure opinion. However RE4's atmosphere was great, for about 1/3 of the game. The second you started entering castles and sanctuaries, the level design got very lame. Lets not even go into the military bases filled with Gatling gun wielding enemies, and cattle prods... :roll:

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#63 Jynxzor
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

They did

and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.

What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.

Luxen90

No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times.

RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.
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#64 theuncharted34
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Yep.

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#65 ActicEdge
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RE4 was one of the worst games I've played in the past few years.

Johnny_Rock

You only play like 2 games in the last few years?

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#66 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

They did

and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.

What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.

Luxen90

No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times.

Play the Wii edition. RE4 is a much better game then RE5. I love RE5 and its an awesome game but 4 just curb stomps it. To many amazing moments. Last boss sucks ass though.

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#67 Luxen90
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Level design? Please explain. If you mean art style, than that is pure opinion. However RE4's atmosphere was great, for about 1/3 of the game. The second you started entering castles and sanctuaries, the level design got very lame. Lets not even go into the military bases filled with Gatling gun wielding enemies, and cattle prods... :roll:

xYamatox



Lol, The Level design in RE5 was lame the moment you started the game. I also, love you mention Gatling Gun wielding enemies and cattle prods as if RE5 didn't have the same exact thing.

The very first village encounter within the first 20 minutes is much more well made than anything in RE5. Resident Evil 5 is just lame overall with the level design in fact it was really a step back. There are definitely moments where they tried to recapture certain scenes from RE4(There's one scene just like the village actually), but it's nowhere near as well done I'd say.

RE4>RE5 atmosphere all the way even if you do think it was great for only 1/3 of the game.

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#68 Luxen90
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Play the Wii edition. RE4 is a much better game then RE5. I love RE5 and its an awesome game but 4 just curb stomps it. To many amazing moments. Last boss sucks ass though.

ActicEdge

I played it, I actually dislike playing the Wii edition, because I think it makes the game too easy. When you play with the Wiimote it doesn't take into account that each weapon controls differently and such. It's still really fun.
RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.Jynxzor
Come on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in.

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#69 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Play the Wii edition. RE4 is a much better game then RE5. I love RE5 and its an awesome game but 4 just curb stomps it. To many amazing moments. Last boss sucks ass though.

Luxen90

I played it, I actually dislike playing the Wii edition, because I think it makes the game too easy. When you play with the Wiimote it doesn't take into account that each weapon controls differently and such. It's still really fun.
RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.Jynxzor
Come on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in.

After playing Uncharted, I developed the conclusion that RE4 was closer to Uncharted than it was to the old RE games. Perhaps not "generic" and perhaps having moments of brilliance, I do think that Jynx has a point in terms of RE5 being a logical continuation of RE4.

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#70 theuncharted34
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I was kind of tempted to get the move for RE5 on the Ps3, the Wii controls on RE4 were just amazing.

Then again there's not much else I'd get for the move so it'd be a waste :P

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#71 Luxen90
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After playing Uncharted, I developed the conclusion that RE4 was closer to Uncharted than it was to the old RE games. Perhaps not "generic" and perhaps having moments of brilliance, I do think that Jynx has a point in terms of RE5 being a logical continuation of RE4.

hakanakumono

Resident Evil 4 came out before Uncharted, so I'm not sure how Uncharted coming after Resident Evil 4 makes it generic.

I wasn't saying RE5 isn't a logical continuation, I'm just saying there's somethings in RE4 that are done much better than in RE5.

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#72 gob31213
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the problem with the rerelease is that the sound is horrible. They must have compressed it a lot to keep the file size low, but it is really distracting. The game is all about atmosphere and it really takes you out of it. And there is no platinum. Great game, and I'm playing atm, but it seems like a total cash-in to me
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#73 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Level design? Please explain. If you mean art style, than that is pure opinion. However RE4's atmosphere was great, for about 1/3 of the game. The second you started entering castles and sanctuaries, the level design got very lame. Lets not even go into the military bases filled with Gatling gun wielding enemies, and cattle prods... :roll:

Luxen90



Lol, The Level design in RE5 was lame the moment you started the game. I also, love you mention Gatling Gun wielding enemies and cattle prods as if RE5 didn't have the same exact thing.

The very first village encounter within the first 20 minutes is much more well made than anything in RE5. Resident Evil 5 is just lame overall with the level design in fact it was really a step back. There are definitely moments where they tried to recapture certain scenes from RE4(There's one scene just like the village actually), but it's nowhere near as well done I'd say.

RE4>RE5 atmosphere all the way even if you do think it was great for only 1/3 of the game.

You say this as if I didn't just say that RE5 was basically the same game. Thank you for further supporting my claim.

The rest is 100% your opinion, and nothing else, and I'd have to say it probably has more to do with nostalgia more than anything (which again, is exactly my point).

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#74 Luxen90
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In fact, I think Resident Evil 4 gets so much hate for turning the series in a whole different direction when I think the whole action oriented part started with Code Veronica, which I'm not a fan of that game at all. Sure it has Resident Evil style controls and such, but I think it's very action oriented compared to the earlier RE games.
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#75 LegatoSkyheart
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Nuther crappy Capcom cash in. Didn't even bother to actually make it HD, just upscaled the GC version.mbrockway

What exactly were you expecting? :|

Isn't that what turning something in HD is? I mean I see some people posting pictures of Zelda Windwaker in it's regular resolution and say it's crappy but then all of a sudden it's Upscaled to HD through means that I can't discuss on here and people declare it Beautiful.

Nothings changed, except the resolution. What do you think "HDing" a game is a Full Remake of a Game from the Ground up? LOL

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#76 xYamatox
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In fact, I think Resident Evil 4 gets so much hate for turning the series in a whole different direction when I think the whole action oriented part started with Code Veronica, which I'm not a fan of that game at all. Sure it has Resident Evil style controls and such, but I think it's very action oriented compared to the earlier RE games. Luxen90

Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.

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#77 Luxen90
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You say this as if I didn't just say that RE5 was basically the same game. Thank you for further supporting my claim.

The rest is 100% your opinion, and nothing else, and I'd have to say it probably has more to do with nostalgia more than anything (which again, is exactly my point).

xYamatox

But it doesn't have to do with nostalgia :/, I've been playing through the game for the past couple of days and I've played RE5 moreso than I've ever played RE4.

Because there's a couple of parts that are the same it equals the same game? Wow, okay, and playing the opinion game is the worst thing ever seriously, what's the point of even having this discussion if in the end you'll just say oh well that's your opinion :?

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[QUOTE="mbrockway"]Nuther crappy Capcom cash in. Didn't even bother to actually make it HD, just upscaled the GC version.LegatoSkyheart

What exactly were you expecting? :|

Isn't that what turning something in HD is? I mean I see some people posting pictures of Zelda Windwaker in it's regular resolution and say it's crappy but then all of a sudden it's Upscaled to HD through means that I can't discuss on here and people declare it Beautiful.

Nothings changed, except the resolution. What do you think "HDing" a game is a Full Remake of a Game from the Ground up? LOL

No, Upscaling is when you take a lower resolution image and stretch it to fit inside higher resolutions. It's the same number of pixels, just stretched.

Some people don't know that, in fact I'm very confused as to which RE4 HD is actually HD or just SD but upscaled. A lot of reviews say, *it's just upscaled, Capcom didn't make it HD* but knowing some people mis-use the word upscale I'm not really sure.

EDIT: If it is just upscaled, then RE4 *HD* is a horrible cash in.

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Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.

xYamatox

Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.

I never really felt the tense feeling from the atmosphere or anything in Code Veronica compared to RE1 and RE2(and no it certainly wasn't nostalgia), I remember blowing through the game like crazy and being a badass with Claire lol. Maybe it could be my memory.

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#80 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

You say this as if I didn't just say that RE5 was basically the same game. Thank you for further supporting my claim.

The rest is 100% your opinion, and nothing else, and I'd have to say it probably has more to do with nostalgia more than anything (which again, is exactly my point).

Luxen90

But it doesn't have to do with nostalgia :/, I've been playing through the game for the past couple of days and I've played RE5 moreso than I've ever played RE4.

Because there's a couple of parts that are the same it equals the same game? Wow, okay, and playing the opinion game is the worst thing ever seriously, what's the point of even having this discussion if in the end you'll just say oh well that's your opinion :?

You claim RE4 is a better game, yet you admit that you've played RE5 more than you've ever played RE4. I gotta ask.....why?

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[QUOTE="Jynxzor"] RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.Luxen90
Come on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in.

Just because RE4 gave new life to a extremly dull genre "TPS" doesn't make it great, if anything it was archaic for it's time even. But please do indulge me, what did RE4 do that made it a great action game?

What puts it apart from the crowd of similar games, if not better games that do the same thing RE4 was trying to do better? For christ sakes Dead Space is a better Action Horror game than RE4, people just love to ride on the RE4 love train because it was first. While it remains a fact without RE4 Dead Space would have never been greenlit, it doesn't mean it is a "Good" game.

I'm not sure how anything RE4 did was amazing, it had archaic controls for a TPS, and outdated quicktime events. Once you got out of the village any atmosphere that was created was shot, it was obvious that they wanted RE4 to be a normal Survival Horror game until someone took the riens and crammed in a boot-full of "Hardcore" the slow transition from slow vilagers with axes, to.

Is pretty apparant, yet it was pretty much ignored because of how much people loved the initial setting, the game faulters so hard near it's end. That tumble is further continued in RE5 where they pretty much broke the knob off at 11 at the end of RE4 and decided to crank it up to 12 for RE5.

*note the hardcore sunglasses and cigar the "Brainless manjini" has*

With the wild sucsess of RE4 despite all of it's obvious blunders gave birth to RE5, people just actually noticed it this time because there was no good "Part" to cling too like RE4's first half. Capcom is obviously dedicated to shoehorning the "hardcore" elements into everything it does even REvelations was looking good for a while until they decided to show us a character who has her hair glued to her eyes and doesn't mind a draft blowing through her open shirt.

RE4 was again, the decline of the series RE5 just kept running with the momentum without actually looking back at what made RE4 half decent for the first half of the game. If RE4 wasn't riding on the coat-tails of it's previous itterations it wouldn't have been heralded as some marvelous game. But thats just my opinion feel free to not agree.

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#82 Luxen90
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You claim RE4 is a better game, yet you admit that you've played RE5 more than you've ever played RE4. I gotta ask.....why?

xYamatox


Because I've only owned RE4 on gamecube and at the start of the gen I sold my consoles to get a PS3, I later got a Wii and rented the game, but I had my own problems with it like I said earlier, I felt it was way too easy and wiimote doesn't take into account that each weapon controls differently and such.

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#83 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

You claim RE4 is a better game, yet you admit that you've played RE5 more than you've ever played RE4. I gotta ask.....why?

Luxen90


Because I've only owned RE4 on gamecube and at the start of the gen I sold my consoles to get a PS3, I later got a Wii and rented the game, but I had my own problems with it like I said earlier, I felt it was way too easy and wiimote doesn't take into account that each weapon controls differently and such.

At least you had a justifiable reason, then. :P

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[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.

Luxen90

Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.

I never really felt the tense feeling from the atmosphere or anything in Code Veronica compared to RE1 and RE2(and no it certainly wasn't nostalgia), I remember blowing through the game like crazy and being a badass with Claire lol. Maybe it could be my memory.

RE4 is much better then 5. I don't think that is a hard concept to understand. 5 is awesome but its also sloppy in a lot of places. 4 packs better level design, more memorable moments, better puzzles, better boss battles and a better concept. Yeah it has some stupid parts that make zero sense like the rolling barrels in the castle and the machine gun action island but it played like a dream. You can't make a good action game without essentially adding in something ridiculous to keep it entertaining.

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#85 xYamatox
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[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.

ActicEdge

Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.

I never really felt the tense feeling from the atmosphere or anything in Code Veronica compared to RE1 and RE2(and no it certainly wasn't nostalgia), I remember blowing through the game like crazy and being a badass with Claire lol. Maybe it could be my memory.

RE4 is much better then 5. I don't think that is a hard concept to understand. 5 is awesome but its also sloppy in a lot of places. 4 packs better level design, more memorable moments, better puzzles, better boss battles and a better concept. Yeah it has some stupid parts that make zero sense like the rolling barrels in the castle and the machine gun action island but it played like a dream when it came out.

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#86 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="Luxen90"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"] RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.Jynxzor

Come on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in.

Just because RE4 gave new life to a extremly dull genre "TPS" doesn't make it great, if anything it was archaic for it's time even. But please do indulge me, what did RE4 do that made it a great action game?

What puts it apart from the crowd of similar games, if not better games that do the same thing RE4 was trying to do better? For christ sakes Dead Space is a better Action Horror game than RE4, people just love to ride on the RE4 love train because it was first. While it remains a fact without RE4 Dead Space would have never been greenlit, it doesn't mean it is a "Good" game.

I'm not sure how anything RE4 did was amazing, it had archaic controls for a TPS, and outdated quicktime events. Once you got out of the village any atmosphere that was created was shot, it was obvious that they wanted RE4 to be a normal Survival Horror game until someone took the riens and crammed in a boot-full of "Hardcore" the slow transition from slow vilagers with axes, to.

Is pretty apparant, yet it was pretty much ignored because of how much people loved the initial setting, the game faulters so hard near it's end. That tumble is further continued in RE5 where they pretty much broke the knob off at 11 at the end of RE4 and decided to crank it up to 12 for RE5.

*note the hardcore sunglasses and cigar the "Brainless manjini" has*

With the wild sucsess of RE4 despite all of it's obvious blunders gave birth to RE5, people just actually noticed it this time because there was no good "Part" to cling too like RE4's first half. Capcom is obviously dedicated to shoehorning the "hardcore" elements into everything it does even REvelations was looking good for a while until they decided to show us a character who has her hair glued to her eyes and doesn't mind a draft blowing through her open shirt.

RE4 was again, the decline of the series RE5 just kept running with the momentum without actually looking back at what made RE4 half decent for the first half of the game. If RE4 wasn't riding on the coat-tails of it's previous itterations it wouldn't have been heralded as some marvelous game. But thats just my opinion feel free to not agree.

No its not. Dead Space has so many instances of pure sloppiness its embarrassing. Shooting crap is pretty satisfying in dead space sure but every other aspect is below RE4 and that's why RE4 got a 9.7 GOTY and Dead Space didn't.

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#87 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Luxen90"] Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.

I never really felt the tense feeling from the atmosphere or anything in Code Veronica compared to RE1 and RE2(and no it certainly wasn't nostalgia), I remember blowing through the game like crazy and being a badass with Claire lol. Maybe it could be my memory.

xYamatox

RE4 is much better then 5. I don't think that is a hard concept to understand. 5 is awesome but its also sloppy in a lot of places. 4 packs better level design, more memorable moments, better puzzles, better boss battles and a better concept. Yeah it has some stupid parts that make zero sense like the rolling barrels in the castle and the machine gun action island but it played like a dream when it came out.

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Any argument against how it played basically died for me when the Wii version came out and showed why the pointer is awesome for TPS games. No walking and shooting was easily solved by the increased mobility you had. It was damn near perfect. The original still plays well to this day too. It takes getting use to but its not bad at all. It still plays great.

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#88 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

After playing Uncharted, I developed the conclusion that RE4 was closer to Uncharted than it was to the old RE games. Perhaps not "generic" and perhaps having moments of brilliance, I do think that Jynx has a point in terms of RE5 being a logical continuation of RE4.

Luxen90

Resident Evil 4 came out before Uncharted, so I'm not sure how Uncharted coming after Resident Evil 4 makes it generic.

I wasn't saying RE5 isn't a logical continuation, I'm just saying there's somethings in RE4 that are done much better than in RE5.

I'm not suggesting that RE4 is generic.

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#89 hakanakumono
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In fact, I think Resident Evil 4 gets so much hate for turning the series in a whole different direction when I think the whole action oriented part started with Code Veronica, which I'm not a fan of that game at all. Sure it has Resident Evil style controls and such, but I think it's very action oriented compared to the earlier RE games. Luxen90

I don't know. RECV didn't really have that strong of a horror tone, but I think this was just on the part of their failure to create a compelling atmosphere more than anything. As far as CV being more action oriented, I don't know about that. I think it was a lot easier to run out of ammo in CV than say RE2.

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#90 Dibdibdobdobo
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1 play through equals enough. Its good TPS but its a lousy RE game. Too much emphasis on shooting rather than anything else.

Hope that Revelations mixes the formula up accordingly with third person view and puzzles, minimal ammo, back tracking, awesome enemies.

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#91 HaloPimp978
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Rather play it than the crappy RE 5.

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#92 Luxen90
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Just because RE4 gave new life to a extremly dull genre "TPS" doesn't make it great, if anything it was archaic for it's time even. But please do indulge me, what did RE4 do that made it a great action game?

What puts it apart from the crowd of similar games, if not better games that do the same thing RE4 was trying to do better? For christ sakes Dead Space is a better Action Horror game than RE4, people just love to ride on the RE4 love train because it was first. While it remains a fact without RE4 Dead Space would have never been greenlit, it doesn't mean it is a "Good" game.

I'm not sure how anything RE4 did was amazing, it had archaic controls for a TPS, and outdated quicktime events. Once you got out of the village any atmosphere that was created was shot, it was obvious that they wanted RE4 to be a normal Survival Horror game until someone took the riens and crammed in a boot-full of "Hardcore" the slow transition from slow vilagers with axes, to.

Is pretty apparant, yet it was pretty much ignored because of how much people loved the initial setting, the game faulters so hard near it's end. That tumble is further continued in RE5 where they pretty much broke the knob off at 11 at the end of RE4 and decided to crank it up to 12 for RE5.

*note the hardcore sunglasses and cigar the "Brainless manjini" has*

With the wild sucsess of RE4 despite all of it's obvious blunders gave birth to RE5, people just actually noticed it this time because there was no good "Part" to cling too like RE4's first half. Capcom is obviously dedicated to shoehorning the "hardcore" elements into everything it does even REvelations was looking good for a while until they decided to show us a character who has her hair glued to her eyes and doesn't mind a draft blowing through her open shirt.

RE4 was again, the decline of the series RE5 just kept running with the momentum without actually looking back at what made RE4 half decent for the first half of the game. If RE4 wasn't riding on the coat-tails of it's previous itterations it wouldn't have been heralded as some marvelous game. But thats just my opinion feel free to not agree.

Jynxzor



I'm not even sure what the made you write those first two paragraphs because nowhere did I even say that Resident Evil 4 is good because it's the first to do it, that's an incredibly stupid reason and I hate stuff like that, and nor did I ever imply that.

I enjoyed Resident Evil 4, because of it's B movie Script, memorable boss fights, and I still think the gunplay is very satisfying. Sure the controls are archaic, but let's be real here, the old RE games controls are archaic too, yet they are my favorite games so I'd be a hypocritic if I were to criticize RE4 archaic controls and not talk about the past games, but I can adjust pretty fast to them regardless.

As for Dead Space being better....nah, I've say there's certainly somethings that are better in Dead Space like atmosphere, but I felt like Resident Evil 4 overall was a much more enjoyable game. I had to many problems with Dead Space, which could of been because I hyped the game up a lot since I always wanted a sci fi horror game so I ended up disapointed.

Resident Evil 5 was decent don't get me wrong, but yeah it did take the action from RE4 and x10 pretty much, but at the same time it took away stuff puzzles(I know Resident Evil 5 has some puzzles) and the cheesy dialogue which I really enjoyed in Resident Evil 4.

But anyway, I can easily tell you are RE fan who is disappointed with the direction the series has gone in and just know that I'm not comparing Resident Evil 4 to other horror games nor do I really see it as one, I think it's a really fun action game with some really well made levels.

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#93 Luxen90
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I don't know. RECV didn't really have that strong of a horror tone, but I think this was just on the part of their failure to create a compelling atmosphere more than anything. As far as CV being more action oriented, I don't know about that. I think it was a lot easier to run out of ammo in CV than say RE2.

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Maybe I'll have a different opinion on the HD version, I haven't played it since the dreamcast.
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#94 hakanakumono
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I think I understand where Jynxzor is coming from. RE4 was hailed specifically because it was a departure from the traditional RE gameplay. From the perspective of a fan of the original gameplay, the notion that RE5 is somehow not as good as RE4 seems ridiculous coming from the same crowd that welcomed the changes that led to the design decisions of RE5. While it may be argued that RE5 is not as compelling of a game as RE4, it can also be argued that RE5 is absolutely a product of RE4.

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#95 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I don't know. RECV didn't really have that strong of a horror tone, but I think this was just on the part of their failure to create a compelling atmosphere more than anything. As far as CV being more action oriented, I don't know about that. I think it was a lot easier to run out of ammo in CV than say RE2.

Luxen90

Maybe I'll have a different opinion on the HD version, I haven't played it since the dreamcast.

I think I understand where you're coming from. I think it gave off the "feel" of an action game, but if you play the game you will find that the gameplay is really quite different. Graphically and musically, I think the game was simply dull and that's a big reason for the lack of a clear "horror" atmosphere in comparison with previous titles.

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#96 Kiyobear
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I never felt love for RE 4 though I don't hate it; I respect it. I hated RE5. I would not have finished if my friend had not dragged me kicking and screaming to the end for co-op. Five is a crap game. Four is just.... whatever.

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#97 Luxen90
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I think I understand where Jynxzor is coming from. RE4 was hailed specifically because it was a departure from the traditional RE gameplay. From the perspective of a fan of the original gameplay, the notion that RE5 is somehow not as good as RE4 seems ridiculous coming from the same crowd that welcomed the changes that led to the design decisions of RE5. While it may be argued that RE5 is not as compelling of a game as RE4, it can also be argued that RE5 is absolutely a product of RE4.

hakanakumono



See posts like these are just confusing me, because no one is saying RE5 isn't a product of RE4. Then you say that the notion of RE5 not being as good as RE4 is ridiculous when there's plenty of reasons stated in this thread, hell Jynxzor provided reasons why he thinks people hold RE4 to a higher regard than RE5 himself and he doesn't like the game:?

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With the wild sucsess of RE4 despite all of it's obvious blunders gave birth to RE5, people just actually noticed it this time because there was no good "Part" to cling too like RE4's first half."

Not only that, but some of my favorite things about RE series in general just seemed gone or at the very least minimized like puzzles, there were a couple yeah, but not really much at all. Resident Evil 5 went full retard it took the action parts of the later half of RE4 x10, but pretty much completely ignored the other stuff I thought that made the game good/fun.

Edit: ugh gamespot is killing me by changing my font and color

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#98 gamespot4life
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[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

Yep it's a classic, and it's a shame Capcom took the same formula and completely ruined RE5.

Advid-Gamer

^^^^^this, I dont know what it is, but I couldnt even bring myself to finish RE5 yet I have beaten RE4 many times, one of my favorite games of all time.

Same here I stopped playing somewhere in chapter 3, it just wasnt the same game\

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You're small time. Yeah it's still a great game.
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#100 MirkoS77
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I just can't play it anymore.

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You and me both:lol:

Both your guys systems broke? That sucks, what rotten luck. :(