RE4 was one of the worst games I've played in the past few years.
Johnny_Rock
Nah, it's a good game. The only thing that pisses me is that it basically killed survival horror. Awful Resident Evil game.
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Exactly, if I wanted to play Army of Two in Africa, I would of bought army of two. Leave co-op for the side projects not main re games.RE5 has nothing on this one. The whole co-op idea took away from the gameplay
gamespot4life
[QUOTE="gamespot4life"]Exactly, if I wanted to play Army of Two in Africa, I would of bought army of two. Leave co-op for the side projects not main re games. Doesn't help that her ai was abysmal. :PRE5 has nothing on this one. The whole co-op idea took away from the gameplay
Midnightshade29
Yep, it's an awesome game. However, I would have preferred Move controls in the HD port and because of this, the Wii version is still the superior version. Having said that, it's still an awesome game. I'm playing through it for the first time aiming with the analog stick. Which I have to say it's not as horrid as I first thought.
I've owned it on PS2, PC, GC, and Wii.. Now I have it for PS3 too.
I've beaten it so many times And yet I still have no problem gluing myself to it now.
Exactly, if I wanted to play Army of Two in Africa, I would of bought army of two. Leave co-op for the side projects not main re games. Doesn't help that her ai was abysmal. :P really? sheva's AI never bothered me once, I actually thought it was quite decent.[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="gamespot4life"]
RE5 has nothing on this one. The whole co-op idea took away from the gameplay
lbjkurono23
I'd honestly swap out games that have come out this generation like Uncharted, Gears, Dead Space for a game of Resident Evil 4s caliber.
greenskittles
They did
and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.
What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.
No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times.They did
and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.
What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.
xYamatox
^^^^^this, I dont know what it is, but I couldnt even bring myself to finish RE5 yet I have beaten RE4 many times, one of my favorite games of all time.Yep it's a classic, and it's a shame Capcom took the same formula and completely ruined RE5.
Meat_Wad_Fan
No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times.[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
They did
and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.
What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.
Luxen90
Level design? Please explain. If you mean art style, than that is pure opinion. However RE4's atmosphere was great, for about 1/3 of the game. The second you started entering castles and sanctuaries, the level design got very lame. Lets not even go into the military bases filled with Gatling gun wielding enemies, and cattle prods... :roll:
No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times. RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
They did
and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.
What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.
Luxen90
No, just no, Resident Evil 4 level design alone is far better than RE5. Yeah sure people might complain how RE4 controls are downgrade, but everything else is better in RE4 and I've beaten RE5 plenty of times.[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
They did
and it was basically the same game now with multiplayer, and a slightly shorter campaign. Don't get me wrong, I loved RE4 when it came out and played the game to death, but if RE5 came out before it, people would be complaining how RE4 is a downgrade in comparison.
What was great THEN doesn't make it great now, and RE5 is the perfect example of this.
Luxen90
Play the Wii edition. RE4 is a much better game then RE5. I love RE5 and its an awesome game but 4 just curb stomps it. To many amazing moments. Last boss sucks ass though.
Level design? Please explain. If you mean art style, than that is pure opinion. However RE4's atmosphere was great, for about 1/3 of the game. The second you started entering castles and sanctuaries, the level design got very lame. Lets not even go into the military bases filled with Gatling gun wielding enemies, and cattle prods... :roll:
xYamatox
I played it, I actually dislike playing the Wii edition, because I think it makes the game too easy. When you play with the Wiimote it doesn't take into account that each weapon controls differently and such. It's still really fun.Play the Wii edition. RE4 is a much better game then RE5. I love RE5 and its an awesome game but 4 just curb stomps it. To many amazing moments. Last boss sucks ass though.
ActicEdge
RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.JynxzorCome on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in.
I played it, I actually dislike playing the Wii edition, because I think it makes the game too easy. When you play with the Wiimote it doesn't take into account that each weapon controls differently and such. It's still really fun.[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
Play the Wii edition. RE4 is a much better game then RE5. I love RE5 and its an awesome game but 4 just curb stomps it. To many amazing moments. Last boss sucks ass though.
Luxen90
RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.JynxzorCome on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in.
After playing Uncharted, I developed the conclusion that RE4 was closer to Uncharted than it was to the old RE games. Perhaps not "generic" and perhaps having moments of brilliance, I do think that Jynx has a point in terms of RE5 being a logical continuation of RE4.
I was kind of tempted to get the move for RE5 on the Ps3, the Wii controls on RE4 were just amazing.
Then again there's not much else I'd get for the move so it'd be a waste :P
Resident Evil 4 came out before Uncharted, so I'm not sure how Uncharted coming after Resident Evil 4 makes it generic.After playing Uncharted, I developed the conclusion that RE4 was closer to Uncharted than it was to the old RE games. Perhaps not "generic" and perhaps having moments of brilliance, I do think that Jynx has a point in terms of RE5 being a logical continuation of RE4.
hakanakumono
[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
Level design? Please explain. If you mean art style, than that is pure opinion. However RE4's atmosphere was great, for about 1/3 of the game. The second you started entering castles and sanctuaries, the level design got very lame. Lets not even go into the military bases filled with Gatling gun wielding enemies, and cattle prods... :roll:
Luxen90
You say this as if I didn't just say that RE5 was basically the same game. Thank you for further supporting my claim.
The rest is 100% your opinion, and nothing else, and I'd have to say it probably has more to do with nostalgia more than anything (which again, is exactly my point).
Nuther crappy Capcom cash in. Didn't even bother to actually make it HD, just upscaled the GC version.mbrockway
What exactly were you expecting? :|
Isn't that what turning something in HD is? I mean I see some people posting pictures of Zelda Windwaker in it's regular resolution and say it's crappy but then all of a sudden it's Upscaled to HD through means that I can't discuss on here and people declare it Beautiful.
Nothings changed, except the resolution. What do you think "HDing" a game is a Full Remake of a Game from the Ground up? LOL
In fact, I think Resident Evil 4 gets so much hate for turning the series in a whole different direction when I think the whole action oriented part started with Code Veronica, which I'm not a fan of that game at all. Sure it has Resident Evil style controls and such, but I think it's very action oriented compared to the earlier RE games. Luxen90
Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.
But it doesn't have to do with nostalgia :/, I've been playing through the game for the past couple of days and I've played RE5 moreso than I've ever played RE4.You say this as if I didn't just say that RE5 was basically the same game. Thank you for further supporting my claim.
The rest is 100% your opinion, and nothing else, and I'd have to say it probably has more to do with nostalgia more than anything (which again, is exactly my point).
xYamatox
[QUOTE="mbrockway"]Nuther crappy Capcom cash in. Didn't even bother to actually make it HD, just upscaled the GC version.LegatoSkyheart
What exactly were you expecting? :|
Isn't that what turning something in HD is? I mean I see some people posting pictures of Zelda Windwaker in it's regular resolution and say it's crappy but then all of a sudden it's Upscaled to HD through means that I can't discuss on here and people declare it Beautiful.
Nothings changed, except the resolution. What do you think "HDing" a game is a Full Remake of a Game from the Ground up? LOL
No, Upscaling is when you take a lower resolution image and stretch it to fit inside higher resolutions. It's the same number of pixels, just stretched.
Some people don't know that, in fact I'm very confused as to which RE4 HD is actually HD or just SD but upscaled. A lot of reviews say, *it's just upscaled, Capcom didn't make it HD* but knowing some people mis-use the word upscale I'm not really sure.
EDIT: If it is just upscaled, then RE4 *HD* is a horrible cash in.
Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.
xYamatox
But it doesn't have to do with nostalgia :/, I've been playing through the game for the past couple of days and I've played RE5 moreso than I've ever played RE4.[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
You say this as if I didn't just say that RE5 was basically the same game. Thank you for further supporting my claim.
The rest is 100% your opinion, and nothing else, and I'd have to say it probably has more to do with nostalgia more than anything (which again, is exactly my point).
Luxen90
You claim RE4 is a better game, yet you admit that you've played RE5 more than you've ever played RE4. I gotta ask.....why?
[QUOTE="Jynxzor"] RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.Luxen90Come on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in. Just because RE4 gave new life to a extremly dull genre "TPS" doesn't make it great, if anything it was archaic for it's time even. But please do indulge me, what did RE4 do that made it a great action game?
What puts it apart from the crowd of similar games, if not better games that do the same thing RE4 was trying to do better? For christ sakes Dead Space is a better Action Horror game than RE4, people just love to ride on the RE4 love train because it was first. While it remains a fact without RE4 Dead Space would have never been greenlit, it doesn't mean it is a "Good" game.
I'm not sure how anything RE4 did was amazing, it had archaic controls for a TPS, and outdated quicktime events. Once you got out of the village any atmosphere that was created was shot, it was obvious that they wanted RE4 to be a normal Survival Horror game until someone took the riens and crammed in a boot-full of "Hardcore" the slow transition from slow vilagers with axes, to.
Is pretty apparant, yet it was pretty much ignored because of how much people loved the initial setting, the game faulters so hard near it's end. That tumble is further continued in RE5 where they pretty much broke the knob off at 11 at the end of RE4 and decided to crank it up to 12 for RE5.
*note the hardcore sunglasses and cigar the "Brainless manjini" has*
With the wild sucsess of RE4 despite all of it's obvious blunders gave birth to RE5, people just actually noticed it this time because there was no good "Part" to cling too like RE4's first half. Capcom is obviously dedicated to shoehorning the "hardcore" elements into everything it does even REvelations was looking good for a while until they decided to show us a character who has her hair glued to her eyes and doesn't mind a draft blowing through her open shirt.
RE4 was again, the decline of the series RE5 just kept running with the momentum without actually looking back at what made RE4 half decent for the first half of the game. If RE4 wasn't riding on the coat-tails of it's previous itterations it wouldn't have been heralded as some marvelous game. But thats just my opinion feel free to not agree.
You claim RE4 is a better game, yet you admit that you've played RE5 more than you've ever played RE4. I gotta ask.....why?
xYamatox
[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
You claim RE4 is a better game, yet you admit that you've played RE5 more than you've ever played RE4. I gotta ask.....why?
Luxen90
At least you had a justifiable reason, then. :P
Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.
Luxen90
RE4 is much better then 5. I don't think that is a hard concept to understand. 5 is awesome but its also sloppy in a lot of places. 4 packs better level design, more memorable moments, better puzzles, better boss battles and a better concept. Yeah it has some stupid parts that make zero sense like the rolling barrels in the castle and the machine gun action island but it played like a dream. You can't make a good action game without essentially adding in something ridiculous to keep it entertaining.
Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.[QUOTE="Luxen90"]
[QUOTE="xYamatox"]
Code Veronica is probably considered one of the best RE games ever made. The movie-like action sequences were pretty much only in cinematics, and the rest was classic RE gameplay/settings at it's finest.
ActicEdge
RE4 is much better then 5. I don't think that is a hard concept to understand. 5 is awesome but its also sloppy in a lot of places. 4 packs better level design, more memorable moments, better puzzles, better boss battles and a better concept. Yeah it has some stupid parts that make zero sense like the rolling barrels in the castle and the machine gun action island but it played like a dream when it came out.
fixed.
Come on, you tried to say earlier in this thread that RE4/RE5 were generic action games. No point in having this discussion with you unless you could name 10 action games similar to RE4/5 because I surely cannot think of any despite not liking the direction RE went in. Just because RE4 gave new life to a extremly dull genre "TPS" doesn't make it great, if anything it was archaic for it's time even. But please do indulge me, what did RE4 do that made it a great action game?[QUOTE="Luxen90"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"] RE 5 did everything the same as RE4 with AI and more "Hardcore" action. RE4 started the slide into oblivion for the RE series, RE5 just picked up the slack.Jynxzor
What puts it apart from the crowd of similar games, if not better games that do the same thing RE4 was trying to do better? For christ sakes Dead Space is a better Action Horror game than RE4, people just love to ride on the RE4 love train because it was first. While it remains a fact without RE4 Dead Space would have never been greenlit, it doesn't mean it is a "Good" game.
I'm not sure how anything RE4 did was amazing, it had archaic controls for a TPS, and outdated quicktime events. Once you got out of the village any atmosphere that was created was shot, it was obvious that they wanted RE4 to be a normal Survival Horror game until someone took the riens and crammed in a boot-full of "Hardcore" the slow transition from slow vilagers with axes, to.
Is pretty apparant, yet it was pretty much ignored because of how much people loved the initial setting, the game faulters so hard near it's end. That tumble is further continued in RE5 where they pretty much broke the knob off at 11 at the end of RE4 and decided to crank it up to 12 for RE5.
*note the hardcore sunglasses and cigar the "Brainless manjini" has*
With the wild sucsess of RE4 despite all of it's obvious blunders gave birth to RE5, people just actually noticed it this time because there was no good "Part" to cling too like RE4's first half. Capcom is obviously dedicated to shoehorning the "hardcore" elements into everything it does even REvelations was looking good for a while until they decided to show us a character who has her hair glued to her eyes and doesn't mind a draft blowing through her open shirt.
RE4 was again, the decline of the series RE5 just kept running with the momentum without actually looking back at what made RE4 half decent for the first half of the game. If RE4 wasn't riding on the coat-tails of it's previous itterations it wouldn't have been heralded as some marvelous game. But thats just my opinion feel free to not agree.
No its not. Dead Space has so many instances of pure sloppiness its embarrassing. Shooting crap is pretty satisfying in dead space sure but every other aspect is below RE4 and that's why RE4 got a 9.7 GOTY and Dead Space didn't.
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
[QUOTE="Luxen90"] Resident Evil 4 is considered one of the best RE games ever made and Resident Evil 5 is considered one of the worse, so what's the point of saying that? I'm just saying I wasn't digging the game especially compared to the other RE games that came out the same gen like REmake.
I never really felt the tense feeling from the atmosphere or anything in Code Veronica compared to RE1 and RE2(and no it certainly wasn't nostalgia), I remember blowing through the game like crazy and being a badass with Claire lol. Maybe it could be my memory.xYamatox
RE4 is much better then 5. I don't think that is a hard concept to understand. 5 is awesome but its also sloppy in a lot of places. 4 packs better level design, more memorable moments, better puzzles, better boss battles and a better concept. Yeah it has some stupid parts that make zero sense like the rolling barrels in the castle and the machine gun action island but it played like a dream when it came out.
fixed.
Any argument against how it played basically died for me when the Wii version came out and showed why the pointer is awesome for TPS games. No walking and shooting was easily solved by the increased mobility you had. It was damn near perfect. The original still plays well to this day too. It takes getting use to but its not bad at all. It still plays great.
Resident Evil 4 came out before Uncharted, so I'm not sure how Uncharted coming after Resident Evil 4 makes it generic.[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
After playing Uncharted, I developed the conclusion that RE4 was closer to Uncharted than it was to the old RE games. Perhaps not "generic" and perhaps having moments of brilliance, I do think that Jynx has a point in terms of RE5 being a logical continuation of RE4.
Luxen90
I'm not suggesting that RE4 is generic.
In fact, I think Resident Evil 4 gets so much hate for turning the series in a whole different direction when I think the whole action oriented part started with Code Veronica, which I'm not a fan of that game at all. Sure it has Resident Evil style controls and such, but I think it's very action oriented compared to the earlier RE games. Luxen90
I don't know. RECV didn't really have that strong of a horror tone, but I think this was just on the part of their failure to create a compelling atmosphere more than anything. As far as CV being more action oriented, I don't know about that. I think it was a lot easier to run out of ammo in CV than say RE2.
1 play through equals enough. Its good TPS but its a lousy RE game. Too much emphasis on shooting rather than anything else.
Hope that Revelations mixes the formula up accordingly with third person view and puzzles, minimal ammo, back tracking, awesome enemies.
Just because RE4 gave new life to a extremly dull genre "TPS" doesn't make it great, if anything it was archaic for it's time even. But please do indulge me, what did RE4 do that made it a great action game?
What puts it apart from the crowd of similar games, if not better games that do the same thing RE4 was trying to do better? For christ sakes Dead Space is a better Action Horror game than RE4, people just love to ride on the RE4 love train because it was first. While it remains a fact without RE4 Dead Space would have never been greenlit, it doesn't mean it is a "Good" game.
I'm not sure how anything RE4 did was amazing, it had archaic controls for a TPS, and outdated quicktime events. Once you got out of the village any atmosphere that was created was shot, it was obvious that they wanted RE4 to be a normal Survival Horror game until someone took the riens and crammed in a boot-full of "Hardcore" the slow transition from slow vilagers with axes, to.
Is pretty apparant, yet it was pretty much ignored because of how much people loved the initial setting, the game faulters so hard near it's end. That tumble is further continued in RE5 where they pretty much broke the knob off at 11 at the end of RE4 and decided to crank it up to 12 for RE5.
*note the hardcore sunglasses and cigar the "Brainless manjini" has*
With the wild sucsess of RE4 despite all of it's obvious blunders gave birth to RE5, people just actually noticed it this time because there was no good "Part" to cling too like RE4's first half. Capcom is obviously dedicated to shoehorning the "hardcore" elements into everything it does even REvelations was looking good for a while until they decided to show us a character who has her hair glued to her eyes and doesn't mind a draft blowing through her open shirt.
RE4 was again, the decline of the series RE5 just kept running with the momentum without actually looking back at what made RE4 half decent for the first half of the game. If RE4 wasn't riding on the coat-tails of it's previous itterations it wouldn't have been heralded as some marvelous game. But thats just my opinion feel free to not agree.
Jynxzor
Maybe I'll have a different opinion on the HD version, I haven't played it since the dreamcast.I don't know. RECV didn't really have that strong of a horror tone, but I think this was just on the part of their failure to create a compelling atmosphere more than anything. As far as CV being more action oriented, I don't know about that. I think it was a lot easier to run out of ammo in CV than say RE2.
hakanakumono
I think I understand where Jynxzor is coming from. RE4 was hailed specifically because it was a departure from the traditional RE gameplay. From the perspective of a fan of the original gameplay, the notion that RE5 is somehow not as good as RE4 seems ridiculous coming from the same crowd that welcomed the changes that led to the design decisions of RE5. While it may be argued that RE5 is not as compelling of a game as RE4, it can also be argued that RE5 is absolutely a product of RE4.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Maybe I'll have a different opinion on the HD version, I haven't played it since the dreamcast.I don't know. RECV didn't really have that strong of a horror tone, but I think this was just on the part of their failure to create a compelling atmosphere more than anything. As far as CV being more action oriented, I don't know about that. I think it was a lot easier to run out of ammo in CV than say RE2.
Luxen90
I think I understand where you're coming from. I think it gave off the "feel" of an action game, but if you play the game you will find that the gameplay is really quite different. Graphically and musically, I think the game was simply dull and that's a big reason for the lack of a clear "horror" atmosphere in comparison with previous titles.
I think I understand where Jynxzor is coming from. RE4 was hailed specifically because it was a departure from the traditional RE gameplay. From the perspective of a fan of the original gameplay, the notion that RE5 is somehow not as good as RE4 seems ridiculous coming from the same crowd that welcomed the changes that led to the design decisions of RE5. While it may be argued that RE5 is not as compelling of a game as RE4, it can also be argued that RE5 is absolutely a product of RE4.
hakanakumono
[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]^^^^^this, I dont know what it is, but I couldnt even bring myself to finish RE5 yet I have beaten RE4 many times, one of my favorite games of all time.Yep it's a classic, and it's a shame Capcom took the same formula and completely ruined RE5.
Advid-Gamer
Same here I stopped playing somewhere in chapter 3, it just wasnt the same game\
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