Retail is doomed if it doesn't go digital.
This topic is locked from further discussion.
You think the electrical usage is comparable to the physical waste produced?Tyrant156Luckily CDs and DVDs appear magically out of nothing and appear on store shelves without having to be transported due to magic. And the store has magic, too, in the way that it allows you to see what's on its shelves and etc. etc. etc.
[QUOTE="Tyrant156"]You think the electrical usage is comparable to the physical waste produced?JandurinLuckily CDs and DVDs appear magically out of nothing and appear on store shelves without having to be transported due to magic. And the store has magic, too, in the way that it allows you to see what's on its shelves and etc. etc. etc. LOL right cause coal just magically mines itself it's not like people die from mining coal. Oh and burning the coal doesnt pollute the air it magically cleans itself....not to mention the water used to create the steam which is then contaminated with lead.
LOL right cause coal just magically mines itself it's not like people die from mining coal. Oh and burning the coal doesnt pollute the air it magically cleans itself....not to mention the water used to create the steam which is then contaminated with lead.Tyrant156Yeah, but that will happen with or without DD. The transportation and physical bindings of the information are unnecessary. The electricity is being used regardless.
One thing I have seen with Digital Distribution, with Sony on PSN is the lack of price drops....
if DD is going to take over....special offers and sales will need to happen, If I went to a shop, I wouldn't pay £40 new for a 3 year old game....Sony's DD offers old PSP (and some relatively old PS3 games) for a lot of money
However, steam offers special deals and sales and group buys
[QUOTE="Tyrant156"]LOL right cause coal just magically mines itself it's not like people die from mining coal. Oh and burning the coal doesnt pollute the air it magically cleans itself....not to mention the water used to create the steam which is then contaminated with lead.JandurinYeah, but that will happen with or without DD. The transportation and physical bindings of the information are unnecessary. The electricity is being used regardless. No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="LongZhiZi"]Yes, all the datacenters that eat up power by running the servers 24/7 have zero environmental impact. And then the millions of people who have to leave their computers on for hours per game to download them, they also aren't creating any environmental waste. I mean, if you can't see the waste, then it must not be there. And a reason for a physical copy? Ownership. Tyrant156You think the electrical usage is comparable to the physical waste produced?CDs and DVDs can be recycled but the coal it takes to create electricity is a non renewable resource.What if the power's coming from alternative fuel sources?What if the power's coming from alternative fuel sources? And what about the resources required to actually produce and press the discs?
No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.Tyrant156I disagree. The factories that make these games and the transportation and shelving and destruction is far more imho.
PSN has a lot of sales, Warhawk is on sale so is Siren and super stardust. More games have dropped in price but I don't keep up with every game on the PSN network.One thing I have seen with Digital Distribution, with Sony on PSN is the lack of price drops....
if DD is going to take over....special offers and sales will need to happen, If I went to a shop, I wouldn't pay £40 new for a 3 year old game....Sony's DD offers old PSP (and some relatively old PS3 games) for a lot of money
However, steam offers special deals and sales and group buys
WWIAB
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Tyrant156"]LOL right cause coal just magically mines itself it's not like people die from mining coal. Oh and burning the coal doesnt pollute the air it magically cleans itself....not to mention the water used to create the steam which is then contaminated with lead.Tyrant156Yeah, but that will happen with or without DD. The transportation and physical bindings of the information are unnecessary. The electricity is being used regardless. No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
[QUOTE="Tyrant156"]LOL right cause coal just magically mines itself it's not like people die from mining coal. Oh and burning the coal doesnt pollute the air it magically cleans itself....not to mention the water used to create the steam which is then contaminated with lead.JandurinYeah, but that will happen with or without DD. The transportation and physical bindings of the information are unnecessary. The electricity is being used regardless. Your debate is pretty pointless because society's want to go green will only continue until it hurts people's jobs. If the whole industry goes DD (after ALOT of changes and improvements) the loss of jobs would be huge because most likely it would be the movie industry and gaming industry to shift to DD around the same time if this happens. The idea of all these retailers and average joe's losing their jobs would push any want for DD because its Greener. In the end DD will hurt renting but owning is still gonna be the big push and hardcopies being resold with bonus footage or collecters box sets are just too huge a source of money for companies to lose out on. Not to mention all the other current limitations available. Online shopping has not killed the electronic store, CD store or clothing store buisness. I feel it will always be a supplement but never overtake.
The idea of all these retailers and average joe's losing their jobs would push any want for DD because its Greener.Javy03We just need to stop having babies.
Digital Distribution will probably need a few extra things put in to make them more practical:
- More portability. As in one can take the drive that contains the game (or a copy thereof) somewhere else to play. 360 can do this now with the removable hard drive, but neither it nor the PS3 allow backups onto external USB media, AFAICT.
- Right of First Sale. So far, the matter of reselling an e-game hasn't gotten to a court yet, so we can't tell one way or the other where the law will stand concerning resale rights of an e-good. Documents like the Steam agreement may say you're not allowed to, but as the Autodesk 2008 case showed, contracts cannot overrule copyright law (and if one looks at the Steam agreement like the shrinkwrap agreements of physical software, enough similarities could be drawn to make a case), and if it looks like a sale and transacts like a sale, it's a sale and thus subject to the Copyright Act of 1978 (it's this act that establishes First Sale Doctrine).
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]
[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]
Yup, I'm very passionate about my collector "status". :P Once I can't have a hardcopy, I'm through.
BioShockOwnz
So it's more about collecting for you rather than gaming? :?
Nope. It's both.
You should post some pics of your collection, I bet it's brilliant. On topic: I think retailers like GS at least have to offer DD as an option, but I don't see retail going out of business.
No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.[QUOTE="Tyrant156"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Yeah, but that will happen with or without DD. The transportation and physical bindings of the information are unnecessary. The electricity is being used regardless.myke2010
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
Actually it doesn't, coal pollutes water and air and the left over ash has to be dump in land fills. Driving to my local gamestop takes about 5 mins thats about what? a tenth of a gallon of gas to buy a 50 gig game....now to download a 50 gig game would take what? 2 days? and that's if I leave it running the entire time, plus the server would also have to be running the entire time as well.Debate on one or the other is silly. Having both systems in place makes sense, having one without the other doesn't. It's like assuming that because some people are more willing to buy a digital download of a movie, then nobody anywhere would want to buy blu-ray discs or vice-versa. There's no logic to replacing a distribution system when there is still demand for it, and there's no logic in not trying out other means.
If hard-copies are going the way of the dinosaur it will be the consumer who will phase it out over time, not retailers suddenly forcing us into it (they wouldn't be dumb enough especially in this economy).
QFT. I dont mind DD but if EVERY game is DD I will give up gaming no matter how tough it may be. I want a physical copy of my games. What happens if the servers are hacked,the hard drive gets corrupted,etc.... And what about ppl who live in areas where they cant get good internet speeds? Will the companies who are all for DD just deny themselves millions of dollars in sales because of some ppl who cant download that game?The day all games go digital is the day I quit gaming.
BioShockOwnz
No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.[QUOTE="Tyrant156"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Yeah, but that will happen with or without DD. The transportation and physical bindings of the information are unnecessary. The electricity is being used regardless.myke2010
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
Burning coal for electricity is far more poluting than emissions from petrol or diesel based motor vehicles. Household motor vehicles are less than a 2% contributor to carbon emissions.
People, as we get more "green" in this world, it's obviously going to go digital. Think about how much trash movies and video games create, and how much less we could have if we just kept them in their digital form? There's absolutely NO reason for a physical copy.JandurinBlame that on the monkeys that don't recycle.
[QUOTE="navstar29"]is 6 games a month not enough for you? I don't understand what your trying to say? But I use almost all of that in a month, so no i wouldn't be able to download even one ( I assume you mean 10GB game??) a month. For DD to work the whole entire infrastructure has be re-done in NA, affordable fibre-optics have to become the norm. And I would want something like 100MB/s download speeds before I go downloading 15-20GB 1080p movies online.Digital Distribution needs this or at least non bandwidth constricting internet providers (stupid Rogers) before it will fly. Rogers gives you a 60GB monthly limit, and then charge you $2 per extra GB, which would rendered HD movie and full game downloading pretty much useless.
imprezawrx500
[QUOTE="myke2010"]
[QUOTE="Tyrant156"] No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.Tyrant156
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
Actually it doesn't, coal pollutes water and air and the left over ash has to be dump in land fills. Driving to my local gamestop takes about 5 mins thats about what? a tenth of a gallon of gas to buy a 50 gig game....now to download a 50 gig game would take what? 2 days? and that's if I leave it running the entire time, plus the server would also have to be running the entire time as well.First, show me a 50 GB game, most are under 10 GB. Second, you completely neglected to comment on the manufacturing and shipping aspect. Printing off all those DVDs isn't done by magic. It's done in factories that also run on that nasty coal you keep mentioning. Then the software is shipped worldwide and I guarentee it's more then a 5 min trip.
[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Tyrant156"] No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.Marka1700
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
Burning coal for electricity is far more poluting than emissions from petrol or diesel based motor vehicles. Household motor vehicles are less than a 2% contributor to carbon emissions.Can you tell me exactly how much extra coal would have to be burned to generate the electricity for downloads versus that needed to print off all the copies of the games and the fuel expended to ship them? Without those numbers there's really not a way to tell which is the worse pollutant. Also, what about regions that use hydroelectric or nuclear?
I don't care to argue about this all day as it really isn't a big deal to me, but just wanted to point out that all that is really happening is the energy needed is simply being produced in another manner.
Actually it doesn't, coal pollutes water and air and the left over ash has to be dump in land fills. Driving to my local gamestop takes about 5 mins thats about what? a tenth of a gallon of gas to buy a 50 gig game....now to download a 50 gig game would take what? 2 days? and that's if I leave it running the entire time, plus the server would also have to be running the entire time as well.[QUOTE="Tyrant156"]
[QUOTE="myke2010"]
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
myke2010
First, show me a 50 GB game, most are under 10 GB. Second, you completely neglected to comment on the manufacturing and shipping aspect. Printing off all those DVDs isn't done by magic. It's done in factories that also run on that nasty coal you keep mentioning. Then the software is shipped worldwide and I guarentee it's more then a 5 min trip.
MGS4 is 50 gigs. And those same factories have to produce and ship servers for you to download the game, i'm sure it takes a lot less power to print a DVD than it does to make a server. And you are going to need a lot of them if you want to release a popular game by download distrubution only.[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Tyrant156"] Actually it doesn't, coal pollutes water and air and the left over ash has to be dump in land fills. Driving to my local gamestop takes about 5 mins thats about what? a tenth of a gallon of gas to buy a 50 gig game....now to download a 50 gig game would take what? 2 days? and that's if I leave it running the entire time, plus the server would also have to be running the entire time as well.
Tyrant156
First, show me a 50 GB game, most are under 10 GB. Second, you completely neglected to comment on the manufacturing and shipping aspect. Printing off all those DVDs isn't done by magic. It's done in factories that also run on that nasty coal you keep mentioning. Then the software is shipped worldwide and I guarentee it's more then a 5 min trip.
MGS4 is 50 gigs. And those same factories have to produce and ship servers for you to download the game, i'm sure it takes a lot less power to print a DVD than it does to make a server. And you are going to need a lot of them if you want to release a popular game by download distrubution only.Prove it. Last I saw, it only clocked in at around 33GB.
Wait, what? Didn't that article about PC bringing in 11 billion alone as a single platform last year not include Digital Distribution? I'm fairly certain it didn't include DD. I still buy around 50% of my PC games at retail and i buy alot of PC games. I don't see how retail is going to "fail" with that type of revenue.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="LongZhiZi"]Yes, all the datacenters that eat up power by running the servers 24/7 have zero environmental impact. And then the millions of people who have to leave their computers on for hours per game to download them, they also aren't creating any environmental waste. I mean, if you can't see the waste, then it must not be there. And a reason for a physical copy? Ownership. Tyrant156You think the electrical usage is comparable to the physical waste produced? . CDs and DVDs can be recycled but the coal it takes to create electricity is a non renewable resource.
the water and wind that makes a lot of power is completely renewable plastic is a bio product of oil
well you can't have seen the ubisoft steam week with 50% off a game every day, plus they do weekend deals every single weekend and in many places $50 usd is a lot cheaper than retail.One thing I have seen with Digital Distribution, with Sony on PSN is the lack of price drops....
if DD is going to take over....special offers and sales will need to happen, If I went to a shop, I wouldn't pay £40 new for a 3 year old game....Sony's DD offers old PSP (and some relatively old PS3 games) for a lot of money
However, steam offers special deals and sales and group buys
WWIAB
I'd much rather prefer a hard retail copy because:
-I don't want to use up my HDD all on just game data
-I don't want to waste my broadband internet usage by downloading large games.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="LongZhiZi"] No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.Tyrant156
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
Actually it doesn't, coal pollutes water and air and the left over ash has to be dump in land fills. Driving to my local gamestop takes about 5 mins thats about what? a tenth of a gallon of gas to buy a 50 gig game....now to download a 50 gig game would take what? 2 days? and that's if I leave it running the entire time, plus the server would also have to be running the entire time as well. you probably don't want to know this but an electric car is far less polluting that a petrol car even if the power comes from coal and a car uses far more energy than computers. The car is the single biggest pollution creater in the world. If everyone took the bus then there would be a huge drop in pollution. 1 bus makes less pollution than 7 cars and can take 50+ people. Even if electricity comes from coal driving your car is still far more polluting than running a server and explain how driving to the shop is better if the power comes from hydro, wind tidal, solar?[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="Tyrant156"] No the electricity usage would increase, if people are using computers and set top boxes to download media instead of buying them in stores then we would have to use a lot more electricity to power those devices. You would use even more electricity to power the ton of servers to upload the media which would have to stay active 24 hours a day.Marka1700
And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
Burning coal for electricity is far more poluting than emissions from petrol or diesel based motor vehicles. Household motor vehicles are less than a 2% contributor to carbon emissions. in your dreams, burring petrol is the number one factor of global warming. Motors contribute the following to the cocktail entering Londoners' lungs: 75 per cent of nitrogen oxides 83 per cent of benzene 77 per cent of particualtes 53 per cent of volatile organic compounds 29 per cent of carbon dioxide 97 per cent of carbon monoxide. More Die from Car Pollution than Road Accidents A new report by the World Health Organization (WHO) showed long-term air pollution from cars in Austria, France and Switzerland triggered an extra 21,000 premature deaths per year from respiratory or heart diseases, more than the total number of annual traffic deaths in the three countries. http://www.ibike.org/environment/air-pollution.htm Carbon Dioxide Emitted from Cars About 33% of U.S carbon dioxide emissions comes from the burning of gasoline in internal-combustion engines of cars and light trucks (minivans, sport utility vehicles, pick-up trucks, and jeeps) Coal accounts for 93 percent of the emissions from the electric utility industry http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_cse.htm trying to say cars aren't the problem means you are in denial. In many countries a large amount of electricity comes from non coal sources and the fact without coal power plant there is very little pollution from electricity creation.you don't need a 100tb hdd, 500gb holds a lot of games, most games are under 10gb even if games are 50gb which none are you can still fit 20 on a 1tb hdd, space is not a issue. You can download basicly any game over night even with a slow connection. a lot of the production of games is done by machines anyway and it's not like it would ever go completely digital just like how you can still buy cds or download them from itunes.Wake me when they invent a 100TB hardrive for under $150 and everybody in the world has high-speed infinite bandwith internet.
Not to mention the thousands of jobs lost if this happens. Factory workers, store managers, etc.
urdead18
DD will not take off until more people get internet and fast internet. Games are usually 6-9 GB in size now but next generation I could see those numbers doubling or tripling. It would suck so much to download a 12-18 GB game with 2 Megabyte internet connection. By time the game was done downloading, I could have gone to GameStop, bought the game, and play more than 25% of it.
I believe that at first, as you have said, this product will not be selling as much as some people would like to think. Average internet speed may lag the games slightly. But we will most likely see our typical internet speeds increase within the next ten years. And if that happens, this service may increasingly become more practical.
I think that the initial challenge this company will face is getting publishers to port to their console. One obvious advantage already is the fact that the publisher will lose the cost of manufacturing disks and other physical media. However, OnLive will have to show that there is a high demand for games on their system. At the same time they will have to show consumers that this system's convenience is worth the cost, which we don't even know yet. If both ends can meet, I think that OnLive will be a very competitive force in the gaming industry. The entire transportation and much of the manufacturing parts of the supply chain can be cut and give this company greater profits.
It may take some time for this product to get momentum, but the potential business model that this thing makes possible overshadows the current architecture involved in selling consoles.
And think about it, the servers sending out the game data are going to go under constant upgrades. This negates the need for end users to update new consoles in the future or buy powerful CPU hardware. It already takes away many costs from the end consumer. There is so much potential in this architecture, both for end consumers and the business itself.
Ofcourse, it will take time. Society always takes a few years to adapt and apply new technology. But i'm telling you. The benefits of this product for both the consumer and business will make it very tough for console suppliers to compete once this thing gets rolling.
And to those saying that DD will not happen and that physical mediums will continue to be the norm, congrats, you are already getting old. Our fathers and fathers before them had much difficulty phathoming the progress of technology as they know it now. That's why so many older people have hard time working today's jobs - because they did not stay current with technology. New technologies always make new business models with added efficiency and value possible.
[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="myke2010"]Burning coal for electricity is far more poluting than emissions from petrol or diesel based motor vehicles. Household motor vehicles are less than a 2% contributor to carbon emissions. in your dreams, burring petrol is the number one factor of global warming. Motors contribute the following to the cocktail entering Londoners' lungs: 75 per cent of nitrogen oxides 83 per cent of benzene 77 per cent of particualtes 53 per cent of volatile organic compounds 29 per cent of carbon dioxide 97 per cent of carbon monoxide. More Die from Car Pollution than Road Accidents A new report by the World Health Organization (WHO) showed long-term air pollution from cars in Austria, France and Switzerland triggered an extra 21,000 premature deaths per year from respiratory or heart diseases, more than the total number of annual traffic deaths in the three countries. http://www.ibike.org/environment/air-pollution.htm Carbon Dioxide Emitted from Cars About 33% of U.S carbon dioxide emissions comes from the burning of gasoline in internal-combustion engines of cars and light trucks (minivans, sport utility vehicles, pick-up trucks, and jeeps) Coal accounts for 93 percent of the emissions from the electric utility industry http://www.ecobridge.org/content/g_cse.htm trying to say cars aren't the problem means you are in denial. In many countries a large amount of electricity comes from non coal sources and the fact without coal power plant there is very little pollution from electricity creation.And how exactly are people going to the store? Oh that's right, in automobiles that burn fuel. And I'm just going to take a wild and crazy guess here, but I'm pretty sure the fuel used to drive to the store and back pollutes a heck of a lot more then theextra amount of electricity used to DL a game. That's not even mentioning the fuel and pollution caused by actually producing all those DVDs and shipping them all over the world.
imprezawrx500
Well...just because there are supposed facts doesn't mean that the methods of obtaining those facts were accurate.
I'm not completely ruling out the possibility of global warming, there is just alot of political favoritism and corruption with this topic. I think it is obvious to most people at this point that global warming could be nothing more than a conduit of money for other purposes. It's a phrase that ignites party affiliates and prompts activity from constituents. Again, i'm not completely ruling out the possibility, i'm just saying there is plenty of evidence against GW as well. The Earth has recently been on a cooling trend (1920's were much hotter than today). I personally think that it is arrogant to say that we have such sway over the Earth. We definitely do have some, but who says the Earth stopped changing with us? The Earth has always been changing, and we don't know what the Earth is going to do in terms of natural evolution. We have only been alive for a blink of an eye compared to Earth's lifetime. Our records are almost meaningless.
But how did this topic become about global warming. The issue at hand is the significant potential this product has on this industry.
I said I was opposed to digital distribution earlier in this topic, but I've changed my mind since then. I hope OnLive succeeds. I would still prefer to have hard discs but to be able to play Crysis 2 on my TV would be worth not having that easily.I believe that at first, as you have said, this product will not be selling as much as some people would like to think. Average internet speed may lag the games slightly. But we will most likely see our typical internet speeds increase within the next ten years. And if that happens, this service may increasingly become more practical.
I think that the initial challenge this company will face is getting publishers to port to their console. One obvious advantage already is the fact that the publisher will lose the cost of manufacturing disks and other physical media. However, OnLive will have to show that there is a high demand for games on their system. At the same time they will have to show consumers that this system's convenience is worth the cost, which we don't even know yet. If both ends can meet, I think that OnLive will be a very competitive force in the gaming industry. The entire transportation and much of the manufacturing parts of the supply chain can be cut and give this company greater profits.
It may take some time for this product to get momentum, but the potential business model that this thing makes possible overshadows the current architecture involved in selling consoles.And think about it, the servers sending out the game data are going to go under constant upgrades. This negates the need for end users to update new consoles in the future or buy powerful CPU hardware. It already takes away many costs from the end consumer. There is so much potential in this architecture, both for end consumers and the business itself.
Ofcourse, it will take time. Society always takes a few years to adapt and apply new technology. But i'm telling you. The benefits of this product for both the consumer and business will make it very tough for console suppliers to compete once this thing gets rolling.
And to those saying that DD will not happen and that physical mediums will continue to be the norm, congrats, you are already getting old. Our fathers and fathers before them had much difficulty phathoming the progress of technology as they know it now. That's why so many older people have hard time working today's jobs - because they did not stay current with technology. New technologies always make new business models with added efficiency and value possible.
ecs33
People, as we get more "green" in this world, it's obviously going to go digital. Think about how much trash movies and video games create, and how much less we could have if we just kept them in their digital form? There's absolutely NO reason for a physical copy.Jandurin
There is for those "collectors" out there. :P
i havnt read the whole 8 pages i just kinda scanned the first page lol but did anyone think that if it did al go digital Retail would be more screwed if it did go digital. For example no need for game shops, music shops etc since everyone could just download. There would be massive un-employment even more than ever.
iTunes is all the rage, yet CD shops still exist. The reason is the ability to sell product to go with your music: posters and the like. Similarly, game shops can just switch their lineups to game guides and online topup cards.i havnt read the whole 8 pages i just kinda scanned the first page lol but did anyone think that if it did al go digital Retail would be more screwed if it did go digital. For example no need for game shops, music shops etc since everyone could just download. There would be massive un-employment even more than ever.
o0squishy0o
[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] if you're saying that electricity isn't a major problem aswell you are also in denial. They aren't seperate cases, they go hand in hand destroying our planet. _Pedro_
[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] trying to say cars aren't the problem means you are in denial. In many countries a large amount of electricity comes from non coal sources and the fact without coal power plant there is very little pollution from electricity creation. _Pedro_if you're saying that electricity isn't a major problem aswell you are also in denial. They aren't seperate cases, they go hand in hand destroying our planet. I'm sick of hearing about "the planet is doomed," blah blah blah. Sure there could be some effect. But the bottom line is GW is not proven yet and many of the so called data that came about was reproduced by scientific models in which the inputs were scaled to meet the scientist's thesis. It is a ploy to promote activity from constituents and to get more voters in the democratic party. Obama wants to spend 140 million on a satellite system that will record Earth temperatures, AKA to prove that it maybe does exist. I'm not saying that it doesn't, but you guys fall for the doom and gloom hype way too often. 40 years ago "nuclear winter" was the doom and gloom platform for this political party. The same scientists completely changed this platform because it was beginning to be disproven, and now there is much data that is going against GW. I wouldn't be surprised if the platform changes sometime in the next 30 years.
And I haven't done too much research yet but if this company publically incorporates then I am definitely going to do some research on their founding management and supplemental technology that will be needed for this product to be adequate for most customers. This has stock potential. It certainly is a risk, as was Microsoft and every other novel technology provider that enters the market. But if I can minimize the risk involved through research I will buy alot of stock in this. I see alot of potential in this product.
i havnt read the whole 8 pages i just kinda scanned the first page lol but did anyone think that if it did al go digital Retail would be more screwed if it did go digital. For example no need for game shops, music shops etc since everyone could just download. There would be massive un-employment even more than ever.
Well the sad thing about many music shops going out of business when music made the digital move was that you couldn't go to those stores and talk to other music fans while looking for CDs. At least that's what a news report said and showed because I'm hardly a music fan. lol But with games, all you got is Wal-Mart employees who don't know a thing about games and a fat guy at gamestop who will try to rip you off by giving you an used game instead of the new copy that you spend 60 bucks on.Please Log In to post.
Log in to comment