Rumor: ESRAM always be bottleneck, no chance for PS4 parity

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#51  Edited By Netret0120
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MS only has Live left. Live is superior to PSN but Sony seems to be winning everywhere else

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#52  Edited By blackace
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@kellykelly said:

Just cancelled my X1 pre-order

For the 100th time. You must love the XBox One if you have so many pre-orders. LMAO!!

I heard Sony is refusing to send out debug PS4 to journalist and the media journalist are pissed because of it.

The shit is about to hit the fan.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12573-bad-news-regarding-industry-incoming-possibly-ps4-and-sony-related.html

http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/594081-adam-sesslers-freak-out-is-indicative-of-a-rushed-ps4-launch

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#53  Edited By I_can_haz
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@tormentos said:

Like there would be parity even if ESRAM worked as intended,ESRAM is not a performance enhancer,is basically a cheap way to make up for DDR3 slow ass bandwidth.

I wonder where isRonvalencia now,Stormy Joe,Blackace,superclocked,Tessellation and the rest of the lemming squad now,like i say all alone ESRAM was just a cheap patch,and it would not make for the difference,hell is adding complexity long live Mark Cerny..

They've all gone into hiding like they did at E3.

They'll come out again when they think the coast is clear. The thing is I think they'll be hiding a lot longer than they did at E3 this time lol.

EDIT: Oh look, Blackace is back. Shhh...nobody tell him the reason Sessler is mad is because he's angry he won't get a free PS4.

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#54 Ninja-Hippo
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The bar for what qualifies as news is getting ridiculously low.

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#55  Edited By Xaero_Gravity
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@tormentos said:

@kellykelly said:

PSN better than Live confirmed

Whaaaaaaaaatt..? You take that back how there you..

The 300K dedicated servers for all games the mighty morphing power cloud is unbeatable.. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..

Grrrrrrrrr? ****, you're weird.

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#56  Edited By Netherscourge
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I guess Sessler and Geis are buying a ton of Big Boxes with Crunchwrap Supremes/Gorditas at Taco Bell, so they can get ready for the big PS4 launch reviews?

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#57 Tessellation
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@EG101 said:

What is funny is that the guy Posting these rumors is an ADMITTED Sony Fanboy also known as Thuway on Neo Gaf.

Real XB1 units are already playable and the UI and snap has been shown.

Also the same guy that claimed the GPU was down-clocked,but yeah the upset camp always ends up getting owned at the end.

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#58  Edited By FoxbatAlpha
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Lol, cows only source is SONYGAF. That place is in full DC, hence all the bullshit spewing out.

Sorry I spelled GAF wrong.

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#59  Edited By killzowned24
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@EG101 said:

What is funny is that the guy Posting these rumors is an ADMITTED Sony Fanboy also known as Thuway on Neo Gaf.

Real XB1 units are already playable and the UI and snap has been shown.

How cute ,another lem still in the denial stage.

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#60  Edited By OneInchMan99
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One thing people seem to have forgot................The Cloud.

The Cloud will make everything better,lol

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#61 LJS9502_basic
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@OneInchMan99 said:

One thing people seem to have forgot................The Cloud.

The Cloud will make everything better,lol

Teh Cloud is teh magic.....

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#62 I_can_haz
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I knew things were really bad when XBOUnity jumped ship a few days ago lol. Looks like we still have 2 or 3 lems holding up the flag. I wonder when they too will give up lol.

It will be sad if they are still maintaining all his stuff is a rumor after the consoles launch and we have verification in front of us.

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#63  Edited By Sushiglutton
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This may actually turn out to be pretty serious for MS. Wonder if they canreally keep quiet all the way to release?

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#64 joel_c17
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Xbone preorder cancelled

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#65 BPoole96
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Xbox One pre order is cancelled. Ms really dropped the ball with the Xbox One. I have been with the Xbox Brand since the first Xbox, but they just seem to lack a coherent vision and the Xbox One just seems like a bunch of random features taped and glued together rather than an integrated cohesive entertainment experience.

You had something special with the Xbox 360, Microsoft, but you've fucked it all up. For shame

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#66 joel_c17
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News it getting worse and worse for the poor xbone - i will wait a year or 2 for a price drop and insurance that they havent made another RROD like fork up.

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#67  Edited By superclocked
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@GTSaiyanjin2 said:

maybe this is why EDRAM, and ESRAM is not used in retail GPU's... MS should of just gone with GDDR5.

Both companies couldn't use GDDR5. There would've been a mass shortage of consoles for quite some time...

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"News" that keeps coming from neogaf? Have you ever been there? It's like sony fanboy central there. We can all wait for the dust to settle to see what stories pan out

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@YD_11 said:

"News" that keeps coming from neogaf? Have you ever been there? It's like sony fanboy central there. We can all wait for the dust to settle to see what stories pan out

I've been there. It's nothing but #truthfacts and logical discussion that is not hyperbolized. You are just praying that all these rumors are false because the Xbox fanatic inside of you doesn't want to see MS for what the really are.

Others have given up hope and moved on. You're supporting a lost cause. The Xbox One is done for. Just forget about it and buy a PS4 or PC. Those are your only options at this point. Just accept it

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#72  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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The few remaining lemmings need to Live, Learn, and forgive Sony for their trespasses against them. Only then will you receive redemption.

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@BPoole96 said:

@YD_11 said:

"News" that keeps coming from neogaf? Have you ever been there? It's like sony fanboy central there. We can all wait for the dust to settle to see what stories pan out

I've been there. It's nothing but #truthfacts and logical discussion that is not hyperbolized. You are just praying that all these rumors are false because the Xbox fanatic inside of you doesn't want to see MS for what the really are.

Others have given up hope and moved on. You're supporting a lost cause. The Xbox One is done for. Just forget about it and buy a PS4 or PC. Those are your only options at this point. Just accept it

Dunno, when I've been there it's been nothing but a sony circle jerk with random MS support. I choose not to put too much stock in random posts/tweets with no evidence to back them up other than "trust me, my sources are good."

What's ignorant is hoping rumors like these are true, not that they aren't. The X1 will be fine just like the ps4 will be fine. It just burns people like you up that some make choices based on not only games, but extras features and ways to play said games in the future. I have a PC capable of playing most any game I choose, I prefer to play on my couch. Just like I also prefer to not simply improve the graphics in my console.

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#74 delta3074
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Why are all the cows accepting every Rumour about the XB1 as somehow being fact? strange behaviour.

Touting a rumour as Fact is setting yourself up for possible future ownage,lol

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#75  Edited By navyguy21
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@kellykelly said:

Just cancelled my X1 pre-order

Again?? LMAO

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#76 Serial_Killa
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Confirmed : PS4 to kick Xbones ass.

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#77 Solid_Link22
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I just cancelled my xbone pre order

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#78 LanceSSJ
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....is anyone not fooled that kellykelly is DaveKeeh??

and man im wavering on cancelling my X1.....I don't want to but its troublesome. good thing is I got til nov 20 or so :P

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#79 Gaming-Planet
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MS should just delay the Xbone for a year.

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#81 navyguy21
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@Gaming-Planet said:

MS should just delay the Xbone for a year.

It would be dead for real then :P

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#83 xxgunslingerxx
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@bobbetybob said:
@-Damien- said:

@bobbetybob said:
@Snugenz said:

There should be a rule here at SW that if the thread you were planning on making has "Rumour" anywhere in the title, you should'nt.

Yeah I'm sick of all these rumours, until someone actually has proper sources and concrete facts can't the mods just stick everything into a Rumour Mill thread or something.

It's MS's job to debunk these rumors, but what have they done? where are they? they went into hiding....so there's truths to these stories

That doesn't stop them from being rumours and I'm sick of picking through piles of crap threads that all say the same thing to find stuff I actually care about and want to discuss. I know the fanboys just want to throw shit at each other like the mentally challenged baboons they are but that doesn't mean we can't isolate that to a single thread.

The thing is if you knew the first thing about how ram works you would know that there is a lot of truth in how esram is a band aid that wont do much to help the xbone to compete with the ps4

picture a 3 lane free with a 60mph speed limit then you add a 1 extra lane with a 120mph speed limit but that extra lane can only hold one car at a time (the funny thing is you have to work extra hard to decide which one car you will allow use that extra lane so you probably have to do 10x the work to gain a small increase in performance while avoiding the cars crashing)

where as on the ps4 you have a 3 lane free way with a 110mph speed limit

which free way will move more traffic?

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#84  Edited By tormentos
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@blackace said:

@kellykelly said:

Just cancelled my X1 pre-order

For the 100th time. You must love the XBox One if you have so many pre-orders. LMAO!!

I heard Sony is refusing to send out debug PS4 to journalist and the media journalist are pissed because of it.

The shit is about to hit the fan.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12573-bad-news-regarding-industry-incoming-possibly-ps4-and-sony-related.html

http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/594081-adam-sesslers-freak-out-is-indicative-of-a-rushed-ps4-launch

lol.

That the same crap over and over again is like lemming has nothing to counter,dude Adam an company are mad because sony did not send then kits while other bigger reviewers did get them..

It doesn't affect the PS4 in anything and it doesn't affect consumer or my self in anything,if that is really the best you people can do you are really screwed.

@Tessellation said:

@EG101 said:

What is funny is that the guy Posting these rumors is an ADMITTED Sony Fanboy also known as Thuway on Neo Gaf.

Real XB1 units are already playable and the UI and snap has been shown.

Also the same guy that claimed the GPU was down-clocked,but yeah the upset camp always ends up getting owned at the end.

The tears oh the wonderful tears..hahahaha

@YD_11 said:

@BPoole96 said:

@YD_11 said:

"News" that keeps coming from neogaf? Have you ever been there? It's like sony fanboy central there. We can all wait for the dust to settle to see what stories pan out

I've been there. It's nothing but #truthfacts and logical discussion that is not hyperbolized. You are just praying that all these rumors are false because the Xbox fanatic inside of you doesn't want to see MS for what the really are.

Others have given up hope and moved on. You're supporting a lost cause. The Xbox One is done for. Just forget about it and buy a PS4 or PC. Those are your only options at this point. Just accept it

Dunno, when I've been there it's been nothing but a sony circle jerk with random MS support. I choose not to put too much stock in random posts/tweets with no evidence to back them up other than "trust me, my sources are good."

What's ignorant is hoping rumors like these are true, not that they aren't. The X1 will be fine just like the ps4 will be fine. It just burns people like you up that some make choices based on not only games, but extras features and ways to play said games in the future. I have a PC capable of playing most any game I choose, I prefer to play on my couch. Just like I also prefer to not simply improve the graphics in my console.

Funny enough Panello admitted that the UI been shown is a representation and not actually real running on xbox one..lol

And some how you people think this is not true.

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#85 super600  Moderator
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@LanceSSJ: I already know that user is daveekh.Anyway I am not going to believe any of these rumours anymore.

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#86 Tessellation
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the true hurts when people reminds to the upset camp the credibility of thuway LMAO,#CRYMORETHETEARSARETEASTY.

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#87  Edited By blackace
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@I_can_haz said:

@tormentos said:

Like there would be parity even if ESRAM worked as intended,ESRAM is not a performance enhancer,is basically a cheap way to make up for DDR3 slow ass bandwidth.

I wonder where isRonvalencia now,Stormy Joe,Blackace,superclocked,Tessellation and the rest of the lemming squad now,like i say all alone ESRAM was just a cheap patch,and it would not make for the difference,hell is adding complexity long live Mark Cerny..

They've all gone into hiding like they did at E3.

They'll come out again when they think the coast is clear. The thing is I think they'll be hiding a lot longer than they did at E3 this time lol.

EDIT: Oh look, Blackace is back. Shhh...nobody tell him the reason Sessler is mad is because he's angry he won't get a free PS4.

Sessler isn't the only journalist complaining about this you fools. lol!! There are several journalist who are complaining about this. Several journalist who did get the PS4 are saying it still has problems with it overheating with some games running on it. The fact that Sony doesn't want to send them out to everyone like they did with the expensive PS3, doesn't bold well for Sony right now. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, as the truth will eventually come out.

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#88 Giancar
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Genesis pre order cancelled.

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The rumor from MONTHS ago that MS might have been 6 months behind schedule for the X1's development might have had quite a bit of truth to it.

It would explain perfectly all of these new rumors. These rumors, of course, aren't concrete fact, and the sources for these rumors aren't completely *infallable*... but at this stage it seems that these rumors are more likely true than false.

X1's launch looks like its going to be a clusterfvck. This doesn't mean that the MS or the X1 are doomed, or that the PS4's own launch is going to be perfect [to the contrary, there are a number of rumors floating around that PSN and the PS4's OS is having a number of serious issues as well]... but still, this is sh!t news for the Xbox.

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#90 tormentos
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@blackace said:

@I_can_haz said:

@tormentos said:

Like there would be parity even if ESRAM worked as intended,ESRAM is not a performance enhancer,is basically a cheap way to make up for DDR3 slow ass bandwidth.

I wonder where isRonvalencia now,Stormy Joe,Blackace,superclocked,Tessellation and the rest of the lemming squad now,like i say all alone ESRAM was just a cheap patch,and it would not make for the difference,hell is adding complexity long live Mark Cerny..

They've all gone into hiding like they did at E3.

They'll come out again when they think the coast is clear. The thing is I think they'll be hiding a lot longer than they did at E3 this time lol.

EDIT: Oh look, Blackace is back. Shhh...nobody tell him the reason Sessler is mad is because he's angry he won't get a free PS4.

Sessler isn't the only journalist complaining about this you fools. lol!! There are several journalist who are complaining about this. Several journalist who did get the PS4 are saying it still has problems with it overheating with some games running on it. The fact that Sony doesn't want to send them out to everyone like they did with the expensive PS3, doesn't bold well for Sony right now. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, as the truth will eventually come out.

3 journalist all 3 don't get free PS4 big deal in nothing that affect me or people who want to buy the PS4,Sassler was been a drama queen,because he can't make money because he can't post videos and insert ads...hahaaha

Yeah the PS4 is surely over heating the PS4 never had those,the whole red light was fake dude.

Again if that is the best lemming can do boy you people are screwed..

Even xbox live has been say to have problems,the OS,ESRAM been a nightmare not that the cries hasn't been hear before,a barrage of games been 720p and inferior to PS4 ones,MS stopping reviewers from comparing PS4 and xbox one games side by side..

This is not new Kotaku was saying it since Arpil this year MS was late with software by 6 months,then add to that the whole 180 on on the bad policies those systems have to be rework when they written to work in a certain way,that takes time and MS was already late when there was no policy change,if the policies had not change maybe MS would now be on a better spot,but i guess that the whole 180 really hurt them.

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#91  Edited By PraetorianMan
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@delta3074:

These rumors have been coming from *generally* reliable sources. Not completely infallible, but the chances that these rumors are true are higher than that they are not.

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@blackace said:

@I_can_haz said:

@tormentos said:

Like there would be parity even if ESRAM worked as intended,ESRAM is not a performance enhancer,is basically a cheap way to make up for DDR3 slow ass bandwidth.

I wonder where isRonvalencia now,Stormy Joe,Blackace,superclocked,Tessellation and the rest of the lemming squad now,like i say all alone ESRAM was just a cheap patch,and it would not make for the difference,hell is adding complexity long live Mark Cerny..

They've all gone into hiding like they did at E3.

They'll come out again when they think the coast is clear. The thing is I think they'll be hiding a lot longer than they did at E3 this time lol.

EDIT: Oh look, Blackace is back. Shhh...nobody tell him the reason Sessler is mad is because he's angry he won't get a free PS4.

Sessler isn't the only journalist complaining about this you fools. lol!! There are several journalist who are complaining about this. Several journalist who did get the PS4 are saying it still has problems with it overheating with some games running on it. The fact that Sony doesn't want to send them out to everyone like they did with the expensive PS3, doesn't bold well for Sony right now. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, as the truth will eventually come out.

by all means, please tell us more

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#94 superclocked
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@psymon100 said:

Well duh, that's why the Xbox One is more expensive.

Huh. Wait a second...

If the PS4 does turn out to run games about twice as well, then Microsoft seriously needs to consider a hefty price drop...

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#95  Edited By ronvalencia
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@I_can_haz said:

@tormentos said:

Like there would be parity even if ESRAM worked as intended,ESRAM is not a performance enhancer,is basically a cheap way to make up for DDR3 slow ass bandwidth.

I wonder where isRonvalencia now,Stormy Joe,Blackace,superclocked,Tessellation and the rest of the lemming squad now,like i say all alone ESRAM was just a cheap patch,and it would not make for the difference,hell is adding complexity long live Mark Cerny..

They've all gone into hiding like they did at E3.

They'll come out again when they think the coast is clear. The thing is I think they'll be hiding a lot longer than they did at E3 this time lol.

EDIT: Oh look, Blackace is back. Shhh...nobody tell him the reason Sessler is mad is because he's angry he won't get a free PS4.

LOL, Another cow that is limited to PS3/PS4/Cows vs Xbox 360/X1/Lems.

I have day time C++ programming work...

With 153.6GB/s memory bandwidth, I have shown the prototype 7850 with 12 CU @ 860Mhz will not exceed the retail 7850 with 16 CU @ 860Mhz, let alone the faster GCN in PS4.

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#96 NathanDrakeSwag
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LOL MS should just give up and make room for someone else to challenge Sony. The Xbone is the biggest disaster in the history of gaming. I remember the PS3 reveal and launch and as bad as that was it doesn't come close to this. There is no way gamers will ever trust MS again. They already pissed a lot of people off because of RROD. Then they pissed everybody off when they tried to take away consumer rights. Now they are asking people to pay them $100 more for inferior multiplats on gimped hardware and a silly camera that nobody in their right mind wants. They are the laughing stock of the industry and the sooner they leave it the better.

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#97  Edited By ronvalencia
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@xxgunslingerxx said:

@bobbetybob said:
@-Damien- said:

@bobbetybob said:
@Snugenz said:

There should be a rule here at SW that if the thread you were planning on making has "Rumour" anywhere in the title, you should'nt.

Yeah I'm sick of all these rumours, until someone actually has proper sources and concrete facts can't the mods just stick everything into a Rumour Mill thread or something.

It's MS's job to debunk these rumors, but what have they done? where are they? they went into hiding....so there's truths to these stories

That doesn't stop them from being rumours and I'm sick of picking through piles of crap threads that all say the same thing to find stuff I actually care about and want to discuss. I know the fanboys just want to throw shit at each other like the mentally challenged baboons they are but that doesn't mean we can't isolate that to a single thread.

The thing is if you knew the first thing about how ram works you would know that there is a lot of truth in how esram is a band aid that wont do much to help the xbone to compete with the ps4

picture a 3 lane free with a 60mph speed limit then you add a 1 extra lane with a 120mph speed limit but that extra lane can only hold one car at a time (the funny thing is you have to work extra hard to decide which one car you will allow use that extra lane so you probably have to do 10x the work to gain a small increase in performance while avoiding the cars crashing)

where as on the ps4 you have a 3 lane free way with a 110mph speed limit

which free way will move more traffic?

Bad example. The transfers rates between two boxes are similar magnitude.

Only one box has a fast highway with a large bucket (i.e. carpark space) and 18 toll gates.

The other box has

1. a slow highway with a large bucket (i.e. carpark space)

2. fast highway with a very small bucket (i.e. carpark space)

3. 12 toll gates.

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#98 I_can_haz
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@ronvalencia said:

@I_can_haz said:

@tormentos said:

Like there would be parity even if ESRAM worked as intended,ESRAM is not a performance enhancer,is basically a cheap way to make up for DDR3 slow ass bandwidth.

I wonder where isRonvalencia now,Stormy Joe,Blackace,superclocked,Tessellation and the rest of the lemming squad now,like i say all alone ESRAM was just a cheap patch,and it would not make for the difference,hell is adding complexity long live Mark Cerny..

They've all gone into hiding like they did at E3.

They'll come out again when they think the coast is clear. The thing is I think they'll be hiding a lot longer than they did at E3 this time lol.

EDIT: Oh look, Blackace is back. Shhh...nobody tell him the reason Sessler is mad is because he's angry he won't get a free PS4.

LOL, Another cow that is limited to PS3/PS4/Cows vs Xbox 360/X1/Lems.

I have day time C++ programming work...

With 153.6GB/s memory bandwidth, I have shown the prototype 7850 with 12 CU @ 860Mhz will not exceed the retail 7850 with 16 CU @ 860Mhz, let alone the faster GCN in PS4.

Poor Ron, how does it feel to eat crow now? Your XB1 secret sauce didn't pan out at the end of the day, and PS4 version of BF4 is pushing 50% more pixels, better AA, better framerate, and AO than Xbone version.

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#99 KellyKelly
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@I_can_haz said:

@ronvalencia said:

@I_can_haz said:

@tormentos said:

Like there would be parity even if ESRAM worked as intended,ESRAM is not a performance enhancer,is basically a cheap way to make up for DDR3 slow ass bandwidth.

I wonder where isRonvalencia now,Stormy Joe,Blackace,superclocked,Tessellation and the rest of the lemming squad now,like i say all alone ESRAM was just a cheap patch,and it would not make for the difference,hell is adding complexity long live Mark Cerny..

They've all gone into hiding like they did at E3.

They'll come out again when they think the coast is clear. The thing is I think they'll be hiding a lot longer than they did at E3 this time lol.

EDIT: Oh look, Blackace is back. Shhh...nobody tell him the reason Sessler is mad is because he's angry he won't get a free PS4.

LOL, Another cow that is limited to PS3/PS4/Cows vs Xbox 360/X1/Lems.

I have day time C++ programming work...

With 153.6GB/s memory bandwidth, I have shown the prototype 7850 with 12 CU @ 860Mhz will not exceed the retail 7850 with 16 CU @ 860Mhz, let alone the faster GCN in PS4.

Poor Ron, how does it feel to eat crow now? Your XB1 secret sauce didn't pan out at the end of the day, and PS4 version of BF4 is pushing 50% more pixels, better AA, better framerate, and AO than Xbone version.

Some just aren't man enough to admit defeat

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#100 Syn_Valence
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@Harisemo: Is that the name of the website, Sonygaf. Or is this some form of butthurt i keep hearing from you drones.