Nice start if true, but what's also going to matter to me is their stance on honoring digital rights of digital games purchases on other systems. If they don't, I won't support their digital offerings.
@StrongDeadlift: they stopped doing bc no one cared enough. Or at the time was to expensive for the technology around.
The 360 wasn’t fully BC it only worked with some games.
It only became a selling point when MS became more consumer friendly along with that BC was one of those things and all of a sudden everyone wanted it again.
Now Sony sees more people want it so they’re implementing it again.
No biggy.
They stopped doing BC because they wanted people to keep buying PS2s, at a very large profit margin. There is a reason the PS2 was able to chart as high as it did on charts all the way into 2012.
If I were selling PS2s at an $80 profit margin vs a PS3 selling at a $260 loss each unit sold..........I would want people to need to keep buying PS2s too.
Was only matter of time, Sony got hit hard last gen and PSN took a big blow with the security breach. Ps4 has been abysmal with psn and any kind of 1p support for multiplayer. Being a fan of PS2/PS3, i hope Sony can get back on track with its one glaring weakness and hopefully see PSN services with more features and 1p multiplayer support for PS5.
Makes sense really. The only reason why PS4 couldn't work for BC is because PS3 Cells made it impossible for PS4 become BC in the first place. Since PS4 isn't using Cells, it was so obvious that PS5 will be BC now to play PS4 games.
Xbox is doomed, just like Nintendo been doomed for 20 years.
Nintendo has the deepest catalog of system selling IPs in the industry.
MS has a declining Halo and a yearly car game.
Which does absolutely nothing to help your point because when was the last time Nintendo won a gen due to their games? SNES? It certainly wasn't the Wii - that sold bonkers for completely different reasons.
Xbox is doomed, just like Nintendo been doomed for 20 years.
Nintendo has the deepest catalog of system selling IPs in the industry.
MS has a declining Halo and a yearly car game.
Which does absolutely nothing to help your point because when was the last time Nintendo won a gen due to their games? SNES? It certainly wasn't the Wii - that sold bonkers for completely different reasons.
When was the last time MS won a gen period?
The point is Nintendo will always be around in gaming because of their IPs. MS could give Halo back to Bungie and leave the gaming industry tomorrow and no one would miss them. They have no legacy.
Xbox is doomed, just like Nintendo been doomed for 20 years.
Nintendo has the deepest catalog of system selling IPs in the industry.
MS has a declining Halo and a yearly car game.
Which does absolutely nothing to help your point because when was the last time Nintendo won a gen due to their games? SNES? It certainly wasn't the Wii - that sold bonkers for completely different reasons.
When was the last time MS won a gen period?
The point is Nintendo will always be around in gaming because of their IPs. MS could give Halo back to Bungie and leave the gaming industry tomorrow and no one would miss them. They have no legacy.
For the console I like and use the most MS has always won every gen period.
Xbox is doomed, just like Nintendo been doomed for 20 years.
Nintendo has the deepest catalog of system selling IPs in the industry.
MS has a declining Halo and a yearly car game.
Which does absolutely nothing to help your point because when was the last time Nintendo won a gen due to their games? SNES? It certainly wasn't the Wii - that sold bonkers for completely different reasons.
When was the last time MS won a gen period?
The point is Nintendo will always be around in gaming because of their IPs. MS could give Halo back to Bungie and leave the gaming industry tomorrow and no one would miss them. They have no legacy.
For the console I like and use the most MS has always won every gen period.
PS5 is going to flop with all these features cows are against.
I'm sure the lems will make up for that, right? I mean, Lems don't just buy consoles for brand names, do they? They'd never do that. Lems are the moral master race. I mean you guys were practically rushing to Gamestop to support the PS4 when crossplay was announced, not to mention the ease of programming(tm) with the x86 CPU, party chat, external hard drive support, and all the other things that were like really big freaking deals once upon a time. Without the steady guiding light of the lemmings standing as the compass of wisdom and moral fortitude, I'm just afraid that System Wars would decay to madness...
PS5 is going to flop with all these features cows are against.
It's not even that big of a deal. It's just Xbox dudes leaned on b/c WAY too hard as a selling point when it didn't even move the needle for the console. Now they're salty that PS4 will take that edge away. Now they gotta hope the new content delivers.
PS5 is going to flop with all these features cows are against.
Cows were never against them, they just didn't care enough. I didn't see many cows bragging that the PS3 had BC for two generations at first (the biggest BC coverage for any console ever) and lemmings still kept defending the 360 as the better system even when it didn't have BC at all. Is only now that the X1 has nothing to offer that suddenly lemmings have created this fake narrative about BC being a big deal. For cows it is sure nice to get BC but they were more focused on actually good new games to care about it. Lemmings have to learn to take the L with dignity and don't be such pathetic opportunists.
Nintendo has the deepest catalog of system selling IPs in the industry.
MS has a declining Halo and a yearly car game.
Which does absolutely nothing to help your point because when was the last time Nintendo won a gen due to their games? SNES? It certainly wasn't the Wii - that sold bonkers for completely different reasons.
When was the last time MS won a gen period?
The point is Nintendo will always be around in gaming because of their IPs. MS could give Halo back to Bungie and leave the gaming industry tomorrow and no one would miss them. They have no legacy.
For the console I like and use the most MS has always won every gen period.
Hearing people say stuff like "If Bungie got Halo, and Xbox died no one would care", that is ridiculous. Xbox fans care as much about Xbox as any other fan base, but none are so jaded, that they'd say Sony could die and no one would miss them, even if that was their opinion.
My original point was that people been claiming Nintendo is doomed ever since Sony took over with PS1. I myself assumed Nintendo was DoA several times, and look at them now, Nintendo lost the 8th gen system wars, yet are completely fine. Yeah maybe losing 2 wars back to back kills a company like it did with Sega, but chances are no one will lose a system war for awhile.
Maybe people should stop pretending like Xbox lost the system wars, and realize they salvaged this generation, and they are only becoming more successful by the day. No matter how successful Sony makes PlayStation, it will never be the reason Xbox dies. Yes, Sony's success means Xbox has to step up its game, but if anyone kills Xbox it will be MS's decisions, and seeing how low they got with One, I'm now more convinced that Xbox will never just die, cause Xbox One is a successful platform despite everything.
Not going to be able to play PS3 era games unless they are re-done to work on x86 hardware or it will be a streaming service. PS1 and PS2 can be emulated while PS4 is based on same standard as PS5 so that's a no brainer.
Meh. Cell was stamped at 90nm. We have gone so far with microchip architecture since that time that it's not unreasonable to think that its instruction set could be emulated across the space of a modern APU. Sony is an IP holder on CBE and probably has free reign to integrate it into whatever technology they wish. LS cache and even XDR aren't that much faster than standard off-the-shelf tech.
The problem is not because its a older processor based on 90nm. The Cell processor was not like any APU we have now or in the past. It is a proprietary hardware that is not based on x86. Between the PPE and SPE's processors being coded specifically coded to do cpu and gpu tasks to augment along with the RSX gpu(ie geforce 7). They have deconstruct the Cell architecture coding and re-code it for x86 along with moving those gpu based work loads back to the gpu that were done on some of the Cell's SPE's. They have to go by game by game basis because of the nature of each dev's coding methods of using the Cell. Memory space or bandwidth isn't an issue. It was the complex nature of the proprietary generalized processor they created that did not conform with the x86 base that is now the basis of PC/and current consoles .
SPE's instruction set is based on PowerPC's Altivec/VMX with gather instructions which populates data into local storage (LS).
What makes CELL difficult to emulate is the higher number of 6 SPE units + one PPE unit while Xbox 360's CPU only has three PPE units to emulate.
SPE and PPE's Altivec/VMX has 128 register set modification.
Intel AVX v2 also has it's own gather instruction, but it populates it's 256 bit registers. Ryzen ver 1 supports Intel AVX v2.
X86 supports packed half-floats for it's SIMD operations which PPE/SPE doesn't support.
Intel AVX v2 negates PowerPC's FMA3 advantage. X86 is also gaining it's GpGPU like instruction set via Intel AVX evolution.
Intel Skylake and AMD Ryzen APUs are double fusion with CPU gaining some GpGPU AVX v2 instructions coupled with OpenCL 2 compute enabled IGP.
Patenting emulators and allowing disc-based BC are different things.
I think we'll see disc-based BC with PS4 games, but PS1-PS3 games will have to be purchased via the store or PSNow and require the emulator. You can already emulate PS3 on PC. It can be glitchy as f*ck, but runs on Ryzen 1600 which I think will represent next-gen CPUs quite well(consoles will probably get 8-core/16-thread 2GHz or something).
PS5 has 7 nm Ryzen version NOT older 14 nm or 12 nm Ryzens.
Ryzen (ZEN 2) at TSMC's 7nm solves two problems (PC and next-gen console markets) with one stone.
Raven Ridge's quad ZEN cores at 2Ghz is already less than 15 watts (which includes Vega 8 IGP TDP budget).
also posted via the Chiphell thread) of a per-CCX core-count increase of 8 cores per CCX (with 16-core parts being available for the consumer products) and a purely hypothetical claim for the performance crown now seems not only plausible, but likely.
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