Save System Wars in 2008

Briefing

If you're a longtime GameSpot member, you've probably noticed the sharp decline in posting quality in System Wars over the past six months. While the staleness and repetition are nothing new, the quality has hit an all time low. Thanks in part to the Gerstmann incident, and in part simply to burnout, GameSpot's best posters are losing their reason, will, and need to post here, and that's just sad.

I've proposed a solution here - six steps towards making System Wars brighter in 2008, and perhaps giving it a return to more intelligent, thoughtful, serious discussion. If you believe in this goal, I ask you to support it wholly and vocally.

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Unfortunately for this to be achieved, several people who have gained a position of authority will have to step down. This is a hard thing to ask of anyone, especially for a normal poster who feels their "community effort" is a positive influence on GameSpot.

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I am convinced that without these changes, System Wars will continue to stagnate, and we will watch a groundhog day of mediocre posting, and the continued departure of longtime intelligent posters from this forum - a precious resource already in short supply.




Minimum Poster Level

A significant percentage of spam, trolling, and flaming comes from low-level posters, either because they are alt-accounts for troublemakers, or inexperienced users who do not see a higher purpose in System Wars.

I propose a minimum level of 10, and a minimum post count of 100 to post in System Wars. This level is not hard to achieve, but it will force new accounts to prove they can contribute meaningfully to GameSpot before participating in System Wars.

An added perk is this will reduce the moderation load in SW - ban-dodgers will have to spend more time with an account before they are able to disrupt the SW board.



Change of Leadership

CaseyWegner has been an important supporter of System Wars both on the board and behind the scenes for years, however it is not secret he's been burned out for quite some time, and, let's face it - jaded by his experiences.

It's high time we introduce a newer moderator to the position of "master mod of System Wars" - perhaps CakeOrrDeath, or newly elected moderators.

Admin Involvement

A big part of keeping other boards on GS healthy has been the work of admins in making the site, TOU, and enhancement transparent. As such, it'd be nice to see an admin turn a loving hand toward system wars.

Many SW posters don't venture further into GS, and without doing so may never discover that there's more go GS. Having an admin volunteer a bit of their time on this board would create more of a sense of community and solidarity with GS - something system wars is sorely lacking.


Encourage a Community of Discussion

Moderation should be used harshly on spam, trolling, flaming, grouping, and anything that comes close to the spirit of doing this, even if within the letter of the law, and relax on other areas. In essence the ideal System Wars is one in which "Lemming Pwned, Forza 3 Flops" is locked immediately.

Also in this vein, serious, contemplative posting should be encouraged - this means anything (and anyone) who treats System Wars as a game should be removed. Joke comic strips, bets threads, "flop / score-hype" threads and the like should all be unstickied and locked for good.


Removal of Reward Mechanisms

Removing Bets, Hype, and Flop stickies would remove a large part of the "game" reward mechanism, but it means sacrificing other threads too - "best poster", "best thread", et cetera are all a breeding ground for troll-worship, encouraging porn-suicides, fakeboys, and intentionally stupid posting.

Enough is enough, and these types of threads need to be shown the door. If intelligence is to win out in the end we have to remove reward mechanisms for thoughtless, stupid behavior.


Acceptance of Positive Outlook

System Wars currently takes a negative outlook - that is - a war of mutually assured destruction, in which we debate not on strengths but on weaknesses - not on good but on bad. System Wars encourages the "I hate", "I won't", and "this sucks" posting.

Rarely, if ever, does System Wars celebrate a greatness collectively, or embrace titles despite them being a positive for the "other guy", or push away and compliment competition when a title seems like a victory for "your guy".

Without a positive outlook, System Wars becomes needlessly bleak - the outlook of a war-torn, horrific future, in which each platform struggles to survive benefits no one.

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Closing

Please do your part to support these changes in 2008 for System Wars, I strongly believe they are needed to restore the System Wars forum to something that stands up to the quality we expect on a site of GameSpot's calibre. Worse still the attitudes, and posting sty-le we see as a problem in System Wars are being extended into news stories and onto other boards.

Without a real change, System Wars may continue down its path towards schizophrenia and self-destruction, a future for which I fear it may already be fated.

I like your thinking. SW is going downhill fast and is becominga huge troll-fest.

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

But there is sometimes, however, new blood that tries to debate intellectually. Too bad I don't post more.

We need to make a "SW for Intellectuals" board or something....

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

To be clear on a few things:

No mods are being asked to step down, rather, I want to see a handing off of the position of the guiding hand from the old generation to the new generation. A change of leadership, a real change, in which the new "guiding hand" is given the ability to freely think for themselves would be positive in breathing fresh life into the forum.

Discussion of games is not being removed, simply the focus on score (from any site). Discussion should be focused on merits, not on number scores - comparative, not destrucutive. We should approach games with *appreciation* and *curiosity* rather than viewing tham as tools for promoting one platform over the other.

So you propose that we rid System Wars of System Wars Bets, as well as have CaseyWegner no longer making "Official Hype Threads." Immediate removal of any system of "flops" and support positive debate.

Then you also suggest that posters have at least a certain level or number of posts before being able to take part in System Wars to cut down on trolling and ban-dodging. How would we go about putting this in place?

I wonder how the rest of System Wars will take this...

I don't see Cake around anymore either...

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

-RPGamer-

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

subrosian

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

Ok man, you're officially taking this forum too seriously.

I don't think you should waste your time on System Wars. If intelligent debates is what you want, you should probably look elsewhere.Baird-06

Yeah, I'd have to agree on that.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

subrosian

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

Ice_Forge

System Wars, like all forums, will always have a degree of stupidity - the question is, are we structuring the board to reward stupidity, or reward thoughtful discussion? I think at this moment System Wars rewards collective stupidity to a far greater degree than collective intelligence.

It takes effort to enact a change for the positive, but I believe it is possible - even likely - if we're willing to demand nothing less.

My thoughts on what you brought up:

Minimum Poster Level - I support this idea, but I still think it won't do much. I highly doubt trolls/bandodgers will be discouraged by having to wait a few weeks at most to start posting here.

Change of Leadership - I don't consider Casey to be a leader. I think what he volunteers for is fine and he's done a good job, but Cake/Casey are mods. We need mods to make sure trolls and what not don't get out of hand and if you want to give them titles of "master mod" or whatever, that's fine, but I don't see how this will affect SW in any way.

Encourage a Community of Discussion - I'd like to see more intelligent discussion in here, and we do get quite a few from time to time. I don't think there's anything wrong with comic strips or whatever from time to time either. What I really want is more discussion about the games themselves, seems to be missing a lot lately.

Removal of Reward Mechanisms - This will suck the life out of SW and I can't see the majority supporting this. I personally don't.

Acceptance of Positive Outlook - Definitely agreed. The "I hate" threads get old quick.

Anyhoo, nice thread. I agree with a few of the points and I do agree that SW overall needs to shake things up a bit, it's gotten a little dull post Jeff, and there seems to be a lot of confusion here now. I'm interested to see how everyone else looks at this.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

subrosian

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

Sad as it might be you're going to need to pull all the variables together and organize something like this, a simple thread won't cut it. I had a UCB and mod support (Casey and JakeT to be exact)whenI tried to fight the "good fight", and as you can assume by my statements that wasn't enough. Some of what you're suggesting will even need admin support, that's pretty lofty.

good point..i have seen the downfall of system wars...

yes,i know my lvl is low..but it is for a reason....which i shall not tell u...

i 100% approve this awareness message`

although i agree that this forum is full of ignorance, i don't think your rules will help.

The forum is good as it is. Best we can do is NOt react to the retarded posts. But that's hard... i know...

[QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

subrosian

System Wars, like all forums, will always have a degree of stupidity - the question is, are we structuring the board to reward stupidity, or reward thoughtful discussion? I think at this moment System Wars rewards collective stupidity to a far greater degree than collective intelligence.

It takes effort to enact a change for the positive, but I believe it is possible - even likely - if we're willing to demand nothing less.

In my opinion you are taking this too seriously. It's a gaming forum. Not some high class intellectual debate. I'd like to see the 100 post minimum and have mods relax a little. Call it a day.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

thepwninator

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

System Wars is so schizophrenic that some of the top-selling, most beloved, games of the generation have been called "flops" because they did not live up to the hype of a handful of fake accounts, created to generate artifical "hype" so as to win an argument on a forum.

It has, in every sense of the word, become an asylum.

Given the setting, I consider it a bit rich to call me "insane" because other posters, in other eras, under different circumstances, have attempted to enact change and failed. I have something they don't - if you want to call it insanity, so be it - I'll call it "faith".

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Do you fear change?

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

-RPGamer-

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

Sad as it might be you're going to need to pull all the variables together and organize something like this, a simple thread won't cut it. I had a UCB and mod support (Casey and JakeT to be exact)whenI tried to fight the "good fight", and as you can assume by my statements that wasn't enough. Some of what you're suggesting will even need admin support, that's pretty lofty.

Hell, back in the day even some Admins frequent SW.

Contrary to popular belief, everyone likes a passionate debate/discussion that might get heated, but still remains intelligent.

[QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

subrosian

System Wars, like all forums, will always have a degree of stupidity - the question is, are we structuring the board to reward stupidity, or reward thoughtful discussion? I think at this moment System Wars rewards collective stupidity to a far greater degree than collective intelligence.

It takes effort to enact a change for the positive, but I believe it is possible - even likely - if we're willing to demand nothing less.

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

subrosian

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

System Wars is so schizophrenic that some of the top-selling, most beloved, games of the generation have been called "flops" because they did not live up to the hype of a handful of fake accounts, created to generate artifical "hype" so as to win an argument on a forum.

It has, in every sense of the word, become an asylum.

Given the setting, I consider it a bit rich to call me "insane" because other posters, in other eras, under different circumstances, have attempted to enact change and failed. I have something they don't - if you want to call it insanity, so be it - I'll call it "faith".

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Do you fear change?

I wasn't calling you insane. It was just a minor joke regarding the fact that this has been done before.

SW is like the world: it's going to hell and there's nothing we can do about it.

Hell, back in the day even some Admins frequent SW.

Contrary to popular belief, everyone likes a passionate debate/discussion that might get heated, but still remains intelligent.

Yellow_Rose

Yeah haven't seen one here in quite some time.

And I concur.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

SW has been going down for years. Started around the time OT was banned, shortly followed by multiple "SW" sites/forums popping up from ex-Gamespot SW members.

While I like the effort, some of the things being suggested to be removed were here and did well for the community when it was better. I agree with some of it though, but I've seen this before (I've attempted the route too) and to be honest it's never worked.

-RPGamer-

The belief that it has been done before, failed, and so the same result will occur when attempted again is simply sad. Success comes from trying, again and again, with the belief that our passion, convictions, and willpower can overcome the obstacles. I realize they're significant - but a community effort on the part of those who care may very well save System Wars, or set an example for a new generation of poster who were unaware another path existed.

Sad as it might be you're going to need to pull all the variables together and organize something like this, a simple thread won't cut it. I had a UCB and mod support (Casey and JakeT to be exact)whenI tried to fight the "good fight", and as you can assume by my statements that wasn't enough. Some of what you're suggesting will even need admin support, that's pretty lofty.

I think it can be done, I'm going to PM this to a few admins today. Anyone who's willing to help who you know I'd appreciate. I think it's high time we fight the good fight again, because I believe we've reached a point where there will be nothing left worth fighting for if we cannot obtain a victory for intelligence in the near future.

too bad logic does not appeal to most of the Gs community and a lot of em deny change..

trolling will still happen...it is hard to make this place better...

we need a revelutioner...our own 'v' or our own ron paul..

system wars has lost all hope for redemption...only few still have the right mind and dignity to not take system wars all too seriously....they all try to make this a better place...but they all fail...as u know,,,logic is SW is unlogical...

look around u lad...hate threads,console bashing threads,my game is better then yours thread,hah,u lose an exclusive threads...

this is madness!!!! but too bad this aint sparta...this is system wars..where all deeps of trolls rise from their mother basement....

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

Ice_Forge

Another thing that existed even when the forum was better.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

Ice_Forge

System Wars, like all forums, will always have a degree of stupidity - the question is, are we structuring the board to reward stupidity, or reward thoughtful discussion? I think at this moment System Wars rewards collective stupidity to a far greater degree than collective intelligence.

It takes effort to enact a change for the positive, but I believe it is possible - even likely - if we're willing to demand nothing less.

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

I full agree - grouping needs to be removed - in fact, it should be outright banned as a moddable offense. The "Lemmings, cows, sheep, hermits, manticores" gang-warfare has never lead to anything beneficial for the community.

I agree with you man. SW is going downhill. I like your ideas for ways to change things.

[QUOTE="Ice_Forge"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

subrosian

System Wars, like all forums, will always have a degree of stupidity - the question is, are we structuring the board to reward stupidity, or reward thoughtful discussion? I think at this moment System Wars rewards collective stupidity to a far greater degree than collective intelligence.

It takes effort to enact a change for the positive, but I believe it is possible - even likely - if we're willing to demand nothing less.

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

I full agree - grouping needs to be removed - in fact, it should be outright banned as a moddable offense. The "Lemmings, cows, sheep, hermits, manticores" gang-warfare has never lead to anything beneficial for the community.

I'd go for that. 'Course, people would just generalize as, "Wii owners", or "PS3 owners", etc.

[QUOTE="Ice_Forge"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

subrosian

System Wars, like all forums, will always have a degree of stupidity - the question is, are we structuring the board to reward stupidity, or reward thoughtful discussion? I think at this moment System Wars rewards collective stupidity to a far greater degree than collective intelligence.

It takes effort to enact a change for the positive, but I believe it is possible - even likely - if we're willing to demand nothing less.

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

I full agree - grouping needs to be removed - in fact, it should be outright banned as a moddable offense. The "Lemmings, cows, sheep, hermits, manticores" gang-warfare has never lead to anything beneficial for the community.

Branding groups never has. Look at WWII with Hitler Cambodia with Pol Pot, Rwanda with the Hutus against the Tutsis. Branding encourages stereotypes, stereotypes encourage strong emotions, strong emotions encourage hatred, hatred encourages violence.

I think it can be done, I'm going to PM this to a few admins today. Anyone who's willing to help who you know I'd appreciate. I think it's high time we fight the good fight again, because I believe we've reached a point where there will be nothing left worth fighting for if we cannot obtain a victory for intelligence in the near future.

subrosian

Well before you start PMing anyone you should really organize this on something more substantial than a thread which you have no control over. Might want to UCB or union something like this. Then you're going to need support from forumers, a slogan would be decent, and some avatar/sigs would help as well.

You kind of need to set up more before you jump the gun and kill your ideals.

At least nowadays you prolly won't get raided by another SW site b/c the rift was still fresh. :)

too bad logic does not appeal to most of the Gs community and a lot of em deny change..

trolling will still happen...it is hard to make this place better...

we need a revelutioner...our own 'v' or our own ron paul..

system wars has lost all hope for redemption...only few still have the right mind and dignity to not take system wars all too seriously....they all try to make this a better place...but they all fail...as u know,,,logic is SW is unlogical...

look around u lad...hate threads,console bashing threads,my game is better then yours thread,hah,u lose an exclusive threads...

this is madness!!!! but too bad this aint sparta...this is system wars..where all deeps of trolls rise from their mother basement....

EyE-ZaCk

Don't sell the Gamespot community short.

There may be a plethora of trolling, bashing, and hate threads, but you'd be surprised how many of them come from ban-dodgers, and those who just seek enjoyment, not really believing their on hateful words.

System Wars isn't completely lost, though it has been free-falling as of late. There are a handful of people in the community would would probably be willing to help make the neccessary changes to restore System Wars to its former glory.

[QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

-RPGamer-

Another thing that existed even when the forum was better.

Yep, Ironic. I can refer to any fanboy here in the derogatory animal name with no problems.

But I get heat for calling someone "kid" .

the longer i think about it, the more i realise this is a bad idea.

just ignore the bad posters and react to the good posters. it's not supposed to be an elite forum.

I full agree - grouping needs to be removed - in fact, it should be outright banned as a moddable offense. The "Lemmings, cows, sheep, hermits, manticores" gang-warfare has never lead to anything beneficial for the community.

subrosian

Fully disagree, the entire basis of this forum is on those groupings. They're simply ways to call fanboy groups by smaller names rather than "Sony fanboy, Microsoft fanboy, Nintendo fanboy, Non-fanboy, PC fanboy". Removing the wording accomplishes nothing, and removing the concept kills system wars.

Again, this ideology existed when the forum was still good, removing it redefines this place into general discussion.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

I was here in 03 and trust me, it was just as dumb. You have to look at the subject matter. You're arguing about videogames on the internet. That's going to attract a certain crowd.

thepwninator

System Wars, like all forums, will always have a degree of stupidity - the question is, are we structuring the board to reward stupidity, or reward thoughtful discussion? I think at this moment System Wars rewards collective stupidity to a far greater degree than collective intelligence.

It takes effort to enact a change for the positive, but I believe it is possible - even likely - if we're willing to demand nothing less.

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

I full agree - grouping needs to be removed - in fact, it should be outright banned as a moddable offense. The "Lemmings, cows, sheep, hermits, manticores" gang-warfare has never lead to anything beneficial for the community.

Branding groups never has. Look at WWII with Hitler Cambodia with Pol Pot, Rwanda with the Hutus against the Tutsis. Branding encourages stereotypes, stereotypes encourage strong emotions, strong emotions encourage hatred, hatred encourages violence.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

Yellow_Rose

Another thing that existed even when the forum was better.

Yep, Ironic. I can refer to any fanboy here in the derogatory animal name with no problems.

But I get heat for calling someone "kid" .

Oh man don't tell me you got modded for that? :|

Damn I always enjoyed that style of debating, you pushed so many buttons with that one word.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

Yellow_Rose

Another thing that existed even when the forum was better.

Yeb, Ironic. I can refer to any fanboy here in the derogatory animal name with no problems.

But I get heat for calling someone "kid" .

It's because you usually say something stupid before you say kid.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I think it can be done, I'm going to PM this to a few admins today. Anyone who's willing to help who you know I'd appreciate. I think it's high time we fight the good fight again, because I believe we've reached a point where there will be nothing left worth fighting for if we cannot obtain a victory for intelligence in the near future.

-RPGamer-

Well before you start PMing anyone you should really organize this on something more substantial than a thread which you have no control over. Might want to UCB or union something like this. Then you're going to need support from forumers, a slogan would be decent, and some avatar/sigs would help as well.

You kind of need to set up more before you jump the gun and kill your ideals.

At least nowadays you prolly won't get raided by another SW site b/c the rift was still fresh. :)

The admin of SW.com instigated one forum invasion too many and ended up getting in real life trouble from what i heard. ;)

The admin of SW.com instigated one forum invasion too many and ended up getting in real life trouble from what i heard. ;)

Yellow_Rose

Snap :shock:

I remember needing to lock down my UCB b/c of the darn pornography raids they hit me with.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

-RPGamer-

Another thing that existed even when the forum was better.

Yep, Ironic. I can refer to any fanboy here in the derogatory animal name with no problems.

But I get heat for calling someone "kid" .

Oh man don't tell me you got modded for that? :|

Damn I always enjoyed that style of debating, you pushed so many buttons with that one word.

Yeah, it's getting that bad.

I've said on numerous occasions that you have to be really insecure to be insulted by that word. Fanboys are insecure by nature ;)

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I think it can be done, I'm going to PM this to a few admins today. Anyone who's willing to help who you know I'd appreciate. I think it's high time we fight the good fight again, because I believe we've reached a point where there will be nothing left worth fighting for if we cannot obtain a victory for intelligence in the near future.

-RPGamer-

Well before you start PMing anyone you should really organize this on something more substantial than a thread which you have no control over. Might want to UCB or union something like this. Then you're going to need support from forumers, a slogan would be decent, and some avatar/sigs would help as well.

You kind of need to set up more before you jump the gun and kill your ideals.

At least nowadays you prolly won't get raided by another SW site b/c the rift was still fresh. :)

I already have a union dedicated to these ideals across GameSpot - it's called Avant-Game, and there's a link in my signature for anyone who is interested in supporting the cause. Banners will be created and available starting tomorrow - the first step is here, in System Wars, giving people an opportunity to see the changes that need to be enacted, to test the waters - to see if there is something still worth saving here.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Ice_Forge"]

lol man who are you Barack OBama? Maybe step 1 would be to stop reffering to each other as farm animals.

Ice_Forge

Another thing that existed even when the forum was better.

Yeb, Ironic. I can refer to any fanboy here in the derogatory animal name with no problems.

But I get heat for calling someone "kid" .

It's because you usually say something stupid before you say kid.

Care to elaborate?

Yeah, it's getting that bad.

I've said on numerous occasions that you have to be really insecure to be insulted by that word. Fanboys are insecure by nature ;)

Yellow_Rose

Insecure may not be the word if they're fine with being called Cows, Sheep, Lemmings, and Hermits ;)

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

The admin of SW.com instigated one forum invasion too many and ended up getting in real life trouble from what i heard. ;)

-RPGamer-

Snap :shock:

I remember needing to lock down my UCB b/c of the darn pornography raids they hit me with.

It wasn't GS they got in trouble with. It was TeamXbox.

The Mods/Admins don't play there. They'll contact your ISP in a heartbeat if they think you're gonna be trouble. And they contact the FBI if you spam porn there.

I'm sure Javier didn't expect that knock at the door. :lol:

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Yeah, it's getting that bad.

I've said on numerous occasions that you have to be really insecure to be insulted by that word. Fanboys are insecure by nature ;)

tbone29

Insecure may not be the word if they're fine with being called Cows, Sheep, Lemmings, and Hermits ;)

Such terms need to go out the window, they may have been part of the "good old" System Wars, but they're also part of what led us down the path to where we are now.

I wholeheartedly agree, I too would like a change, and i think one of the primary thing that need change are the stickies.

When i go to a forum (any forum) the first thing i read are the stickies, since the stickies almost always the place where posters can get better information on how the forum works, what's acceptable and what's not. Or even get acquainted with the mods and the prominent posters.

When i came into this forum i waited till level 8 to make my first post since it took me a while to get a feel of the place, since the stickies were so unhelpful. and even then it was horrible since i was written off as just another low level trouble maker.