Save System Wars in 2008

There has been an increase in trolling, but this is more of a GS issue than the SW community. There are sometimes identical spam threads from posters who are ban-dodgers, paid posters, or veterans on new accounts who want to rile up fanboys.SW was a better place to post. Heck it was more popular than General Discussion and OT. They removed our OT privelages for discussions between regular SW posters and many have moved on. I didn't mind this so much, but the quality of post, either it be politics or role playing games, exposed some good people in SW. While I continue to see "diamond" quality post, here and there, they are far and few. GS needs better back-end support to remove those trolls where a mod would not otherwise be able to.

As long as good writers continue to post meaningful topics here in SW, I will continue to browse the forum.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

oh my... so only really really, really elite intelligent people have a say now eh... guess no forum for me in 2008....

Always-Honest

yep, well.. i know my place..

I think a big part of the point is to get rid of the overwhelming threads regarding "Mass Defect" or "I hate the PS3 because it is made by Sony" or the like. Do you like having ban dodgers constantly posting crap on this site? Do you think the mods enjoy having to lock all of those new pointless threads? Not only do we have to sift through a ton of crap to find a nugget of thoughtful discussion, but the mods (I'm betting) get burned out a lot quicker.

So if wanting threads that aren't completely useless qualifies me as an elite, intelligent person, than so be it.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

oh my... so only really really, really elite intelligent people have a say now eh... guess no forum for me in 2008....

aliasfreak

yep, well.. i know my place..

I think a big part of the point is to get rid of the overwhelming threads regarding "Mass Defect" or "I hate the PS3 because it is made by Sony" or the like. Do you like having ban dodgers constantly posting crap on this site? Do you think the mods enjoy having to lock all of those new pointless threads? Not only do we have to sift through a ton of crap to find a nugget of thoughtful discussion, but the mods (I'm betting) get burned out a lot quicker.

So if wanting threads that aren't completely useless qualifies me as an elite, intelligent person, than so be it.

no, you take this too seriously. if there is anyone on this forum that hates the bashing retarded ignorant fanboys, it's me. believe me.

But these plans are rubbish. It's a free place where anyone can have an opinion and have something to say. noobs, retards, anyone.

There are rules, and not posting by those rules will get them banned.

what WE need to do is ignore the retarded threads and posts instead of reacting to them. that's all. (but hard)

[QUOTE="aliasfreak"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

oh my... so only really really, really elite intelligent people have a say now eh... guess no forum for me in 2008....

Always-Honest

yep, well.. i know my place..

I think a big part of the point is to get rid of the overwhelming threads regarding "Mass Defect" or "I hate the PS3 because it is made by Sony" or the like. Do you like having ban dodgers constantly posting crap on this site? Do you think the mods enjoy having to lock all of those new pointless threads? Not only do we have to sift through a ton of crap to find a nugget of thoughtful discussion, but the mods (I'm betting) get burned out a lot quicker.

So if wanting threads that aren't completely useless qualifies me as an elite, intelligent person, than so be it.

no, you take this too seriously. if there is anyone on this forum that hates the bashing retarded ignorant fanboys, it's me. believe me.

But these plans are rubbish. It's a free place where anyone can have an opinion and have something to say. noobs, retards, anyone.

There are rules, and not posting by those rules will get them banned.

what WE need to do is ignore the retarded threads and posts instead of reacting to them. that's all. (but hard)

If this is a free place where anyone can have an opinion and something to say, why have rules at all? Why ban anyone? It is because this is Gamespot's forum and they decide what is allowed. If enough Gamespot users can convince Gamespot to employ some restrictions that would cut down on the garbage posts, than that is great in my opinion.

Besides, even if we ignore the stupid threads, other trolls and such post in them, keeping them up on the first few pages. Personally, I'd rather have the threads gone than have to sift through a bunch of them to find a decent thread.

If this is a free place where anyone can have an opinion and something to say, why have rules at all? Why ban anyone? It is because this is Gamespot's forum and they decide what is allowed. If enough Gamespot users can convince Gamespot to employ some restrictions that would cut down on the garbage posts, than that is great in my opinion.

Besides, even if we ignore the stupid threads, other trolls and such post in them, keeping them up on the first few pages. Personally, I'd rather have the threads gone than have to sift through a bunch of them to find a decent thread.

aliasfreak

Well, they could scan better for garbage posts, sure. But ignoring those threads will be the first step.

as for rules... it's an american site.. and in america there is no such thing as freedom of speech. the best forum would be a completely free forum. but it would also be an anarchie with even more crap..

First of all, I'd like to say that i've been involved with this forum for a number of years, and i have to say, systemwars is no better, or worse than it has EVER been. Systemwars has ALWAYS been a place for spam and trolling, and theres probably more discussion going on today than ever.

Secondly, I think you're trying to change this place from systemwars, into SERIOUSwars. honestly, your proposal to impose harsh and immediate punishment on anything that isnt "blue collar" posting is IMO boring. You basically want to make this place General games Discussion 2.0. In truth, i think most of what you propose would ruin systemwars as opposed to make it better.

And the thing about the level and post count minimum wouldnt work, because then you'd have people filtering into other forums for the sake of spamming to 100 then coming here, and why should gamespot make an exception for one forum? especially one they dont see as being very important to begin with.

Lastly, I agree that casey is jaded, he doesnt post much anymore, we could use maybe one more mod, but we dont need any admin's. I fail to see how adding an admin would help. It would just lead to more kiss-ass-ery than ever. You dont need the presence of a higher power to be a good forum. Look how they worship Omni-slash in OT, and look at the Virtual Underground (a breeding ground of mod suck-up-ti-tude) personally, we're better off without them.

Unfortunately, im late to the party, so this post will probably go unnoticed.

First of all, I'd like to say that i've been involved with this forum for a number of years, and i have to say, systemwars is no better, or worse than it has EVER been. Systemwars has ALWAYS been a place for spam and trolling, and theres probably more discussion going on today than ever.

Secondly, I think you're trying to change this place from systemwars, into SERIOUSwars. honestly, your proposal to impose harsh and immediate punishment on anything that isnt "blue collar" posting is IMO boring. You basically want to make this place General games Discussion 2.0. In truth, i think most of what you propose would ruin systemwars as opposed to make it better.

And the thing about the level and post count minimum wouldnt work, because then you'd have people filtering into other forums for the sake of spamming to 100 then coming here, and why should gamespot make an exception for one forum? especially one they dont see as being very important to begin with.

Lastly, I agree that casey is jaded, he doesnt post much anymore, we could use maybe one more mod, but we dont need any admin's. I fail to see how adding an admin would help. It would just lead to more kiss-ass-ery than ever. You dont need the presence of a higher power to be a good forum. Look how they worship Omni-slash in OT, and look at the Virtual Underground (a breeding ground of mod suck-up-ti-tude) personally, we're better off without them.

Unfortunately, im late to the party, so this post will probably go unnoticed.

JPOBS

[QUOTE="aliasfreak"]

If this is a free place where anyone can have an opinion and something to say, why have rules at all? Why ban anyone? It is because this is Gamespot's forum and they decide what is allowed. If enough Gamespot users can convince Gamespot to employ some restrictions that would cut down on the garbage posts, than that is great in my opinion.

Besides, even if we ignore the stupid threads, other trolls and such post in them, keeping them up on the first few pages. Personally, I'd rather have the threads gone than have to sift through a bunch of them to find a decent thread.

Always-Honest

Well, they could scan better for garbage posts, sure. But ignoring those threads will be the first step.

as for rules... it's an american site.. and in america there is no such thing as freedom of speech. the best forum would be a completely free forum. but it would also be an anarchie with even more crap..

Wow, I'm not even sure where to start with that reply. "The best forum would be a completely free forum. but it would also be an anarchie with even more crap.." Um, those two sentences seem to contradict each other.

Again, logical posters ignoringgarbage threads won't do much because other trolls will simply keep them alive. Not to mention that the trolls will invade a good thread, causing the people truly in it for discussion to read through multiple idiotic replies to get to the good stuff. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

Finally, there is free speech in America. You can say pretty much anything you want (unless it is defamation). Where in the constitution does it say that you can say it WHEREVER you want? If it is in there and I missed it, please point it out. Gamespot owns these forums, hence they decide what should be said. If someone has something to say that Gamespot won't allow, they should make their own site. They are free to do so.

ystem wars is dying,some one needs to help it

Let System Wars BURN!!!!! :twisted::twisted::twisted:

P.S I agree with the level thing

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="aliasfreak"]

If this is a free place where anyone can have an opinion and something to say, why have rules at all? Why ban anyone? It is because this is Gamespot's forum and they decide what is allowed. If enough Gamespot users can convince Gamespot to employ some restrictions that would cut down on the garbage posts, than that is great in my opinion.

Besides, even if we ignore the stupid threads, other trolls and such post in them, keeping them up on the first few pages. Personally, I'd rather have the threads gone than have to sift through a bunch of them to find a decent thread.

aliasfreak

Well, they could scan better for garbage posts, sure. But ignoring those threads will be the first step.

as for rules... it's an american site.. and in america there is no such thing as freedom of speech. the best forum would be a completely free forum. but it would also be an anarchie with even more crap..

Wow, I'm not even sure where to start with that reply. "The best forum would be a completely free forum. but it would also be an anarchie with even more crap.." Um, those two sentences seem to contradict each other.

Again, logical posters ignoringgarbage threads won't do much because other trolls will simply keep them alive. Not to mention that the trolls will invade a good thread, causing the people truly in it for discussion to read through multiple idiotic replies to get to the good stuff. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

Finally, there is free speech in America. You can say pretty much anything you want (unless it is defamation). Where in the constitution does it say that you can say it WHEREVER you want? If it is in there and I missed it, please point it out. Gamespot owns these forums, hence they decide what should be said. If someone has something to say that Gamespot won't allow, they should make their own site. They are free to do so.

1 no contradiction what so ever.

2 no, they are also kept alive by people that react to those posts like you and me.

3 no, that's not true. censorship all over the country. everytime you hear a beep or see a **** instead of a word> censorship.

"pretty much" means "not everything".

(ofcourse i overreacted a liitle).

I agree, personally the lvl 10 requirment would be good enough.Jynxzor

why? a level1, post1 thread could be 1000 x more interesting than a level 50 post.... why rule that out?

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]I agree, personally the lvl 10 requirment would be good enough.Always-Honest

why? a level1, post1 thread could be 1000 x more interesting than a level 50 post.... why rule that out?

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]I agree, personally the lvl 10 requirment would be good enough.blue_hazy_basic

why? a level1, post1 thread could be 1000 x more interesting than a level 50 post.... why rule that out?

there is a lot between level 1 and 10. i agree that a lot of spam comes from it, but also all reasonable people have to start somewhere...

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]Been here since 2004 and it was almost equally as bad as it is now. I've been visiting this place less and less since all the topics just seem to repeat themselves. *sigh*skelebull3000

Unfortunately, without a structural overhaul, that will continue to be the case. We don't have an active enough mod / admin level here to deal with the sheer number of repeated topics, and the post-reward mechanism is completely poisoned within System Wars. There is, however, hope of that being changed - there's no reason (other than sheer stubbornness on the part of SW-members, and of coure a contingent of users who *want SW to suck*) that it cannot be improved.

To my knowledge System Wars was just created to stop trolling in all the other console boards. This means that it was created to house all the trolls to keep all the other boards "clean". If we were to clean System Wars we would have to create another System Wars to let the trolls have their "fun". Sadly enough, humans are some of the most stubborn animals there are and it's impossible to change their minds over the internet.

The reality has been that "System Wars" sty-le posting has been *encouraged* by System Wars, and spills out onto other boards (system specific) and onto the news stories. The moderations are being generated here - but they're not being contained.

If anything, by housing a full-out System War, GameSpot makes itself (and its boards) a target for trolling.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]I agree, personally the lvl 10 requirment would be good enough.Always-Honest

why? a level1, post1 thread could be 1000 x more interesting than a level 50 post.... why rule that out?

there is a lot between level 1 and 10. i agree that a lot of spam comes from it, but also all reasonable people have to start somewhere...

A lot of the problems in system wars can be resvolved by people taking more time to report others. If someone creates a troll thread, report them. If they post just to trol...report them.If they make a 'lemmings suck' thread, report them. Because that's not allowed, in case you didn't know. It's in the stickies. It comes down to the posters taking the time to ignore these posters and report them, the mods can't be everywheres at once.

I thing you have some good points. I'm behind you, but I don't know how many other will.

Firebert-01

Unfortunately we've witnessed a live demonstration of exactly the kind of immature behavior that needs to go. Frankly, the fact that certain posters will get suspended / banned is irrelevant to the fact that people feel there is a reward for participating in such behavior.

Trolling is an unacceptable tactic, and the "report and ignore" method is only effective so long as everyone does it. We have a structure within System Wars where "s-word happens, mods clean it up a few hours later", which, with such an active board, simply doesn't work. You simply get a large pile of ****, and a couple dozen guys with teaspoons trying to clean it up.

I agree with some of what you said. the lvl 10 req is a good idea, A better intro to sw is a great idea. However taking away the best of, bets, and the comic strips coupled with the reward system being gone would completely eliminate system wars all together. It sure wouldn't make it a better place to post or have intelligent discussions, there would be no one here to reply back to you discussions.hatecalledlove

System Wars Bets, Comics, et cetera could be contained in unions, just as other non-SW materials are turned into unions if people feel there is enough popular support for them. However they have no place being sticked on this board, as they serve to mock seriousness, and encourage trolling on the boards.

All stickies should be taken from the perspective of the results they produce - we should have a welcome thread to help new members, thus reducing spam and common questions. Make sense. The end result of these other threads we've seen stickied has been *more* trolling, and even the supposed "stickied containment" threads do not thwart the trolls.

When i saw gingerdivid becoming sensible and unbiased, i knew system wars was going downhill. :(

We need more yo_foo, redcloack, twinblade, etc.

Fanboys these days are pretty unoriginal compared to the "great" ones.

nitekids2004

Why. Why. WHY????? are you in support of trolls and fanboys? Why do you want to encourage people who generate some of the most inflammatory posts on the forums? Can't you see this is exactly the thing that needs to be weeded out the most. Topics along the lines of "This platform sucks because it's not the one I game on" are the most harmful as it's intended to insult others who enjoy that platform. The troll is insulting any gamer who supports a competing platform to their own, which degenertes into a cycle of contempt and flaming. Before you know it, all system groups are saying, well we're doing it because "they" did it first.

So you have people who make idiotic topics bashing games not based on any merits, but because it's on platformX instead of platformY.

And I question why you think GingerDivid turning a new leaf is a BAD thing. We should be seeing MORE of this sort of thing, where people shed their sensless bias and can contribute something more meanigful to these boards.

Yes this place is called System Wars. But nowhere in that name or in any charter does it say the wars MUST be fought with biased preconceptions, or senseless bashing and user flaming. It CAN (and SHOULD) be argued with well constructed points that illustrate the actual merits of this or that platform/game.

The fanboys and trolls have got to go. And the idea of "great fanboys" is an oxymoron. I do realize we'll never fully get rid of them, there'll always be bandodgers and someone to take their place. But it just doesn't help when their behavior is encouraged, actually patting them on the back "yeah, that's showing em how to troll, you da man, woohoo".

A lot of the problems in system wars can be resvolved by people taking more time to report others. If someone creates a troll thread, report them. If they post just to trol...report them.If they make a 'lemmings suck' thread, report them. Because that's not allowed, in case you didn't know. It's in the stickies. It comes down to the posters taking the time to ignore these posters and report them, the mods can't be everywheres at once.

darkslider99

The issue here is prevention - restructuring the forum to reduce the reward for trolling benefits everyone - posters can share interesting ideas, games, and debates in a more relaxed (heart healthier!) environment, name-calling will be reduced, and the blatant disrespect we see for other human beings can be eased. From the mod / admin perspective, the sheer volume of TOU violations will be reduced - and the severity (and thus liability to GameSpot) of them will be reduced as well.

Enforcement of the TOU is important - but we need to create a community where posters understand *why* we have those rules, instead of the forum we have now, in which many posters spend their time trying to find ways to call each other names within the "letter of the law".

While I'd love there to be a total posting ban on them, I think its more reasonable and practical for a poster not to create threads at the very least until lvl 10.blue_hazy_basic

yes i can understand it completely, i just don't agree with the very principle of not allowing some people to join ina discussion because others decided they are not yet "mature" or "experienced" enough.

If anything, by housing a full-out System War, GameSpot makes itself (and its boards) a target for trolling.

subrosian

That gave me an idea. Maybe the name of the board should be changed to something like "gaming debate". The former which implies that different platforms are enemies, the latter which implies that disagreement doesn't necessarily mean being enemies, and therefore the need for harsh conflict.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

If anything, by housing a full-out System War, GameSpot makes itself (and its boards) a target for trolling.

AdobeArtist

That gave me an idea. Maybe the name of the board should be changed to something like "gaming debate". The former which implies that different platforms are enemies, the latter which implies that disagreement doesn't necessarily mean being enemies, and therefore the need for harsh conflict.

That's a rather spot-on idea.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

If anything, by housing a full-out System War, GameSpot makes itself (and its boards) a target for trolling.

AdobeArtist

That gave me an idea. Maybe the name of the board should be changed to something like "gaming debate". The former which implies that different platforms are enemies, the latter which implies that disagreement doesn't necessarily mean being enemies, and therefore the need for harsh conflict.

Platform debate. good idea. system wars is a negative term.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]While I'd love there to be a total posting ban on them, I think its more reasonable and practical for a poster not to create threads at the very least until lvl 10.Always-Honest

yes i can understand it completely, i just don't agree with the very principle of not allowing some people to join ina discussion because others decided they are not yet "mature" or "experienced" enough.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

If anything, by housing a full-out System War, GameSpot makes itself (and its boards) a target for trolling.

subrosian

That gave me an idea. Maybe the name of the board should be changed to something like "gaming debate". The former which implies that different platforms are enemies, the latter which implies that disagreement doesn't necessarily mean being enemies, and therefore the need for harsh conflict.

That's a rather spot-on idea.

System Wars Bets, Comics, et cetera could be contained in unions, just as other non-SW materials are turned into unions if people feel there is enough popular support for them. However they have no place being sticked on this board, as they serve to mock seriousness, and encourage trolling on the boards.

All stickies should be taken from the perspective of the results they produce - we should have a welcome thread to help new members, thus reducing spam and common questions. Make sense. The end result of these other threads we've seen stickied has been *more* trolling, and even the supposed "stickied containment" threads do not thwart the trolls.

subrosian

why are you trying to make this into some sort of presidential debating society? there are other forums for that.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

System Wars Bets, Comics, et cetera could be contained in unions, just as other non-SW materials are turned into unions if people feel there is enough popular support for them. However they have no place being sticked on this board, as they serve to mock seriousness, and encourage trolling on the boards.

All stickies should be taken from the perspective of the results they produce - we should have a welcome thread to help new members, thus reducing spam and common questions. Make sense. The end result of these other threads we've seen stickied has been *more* trolling, and even the supposed "stickied containment" threads do not thwart the trolls.

JPOBS

why are you trying to make this into some sort of presidential debating society? there are other forums for that.

I agree to soem degree. The randomness si fun from time to time, just when it's all you see it gets tiring.
darkslider99

Eveyone nowadays pretend to be anti-fanboy anyway. And if people would just make the effort to be better posters then this wouldnt be a problem.

The negative part of this comes comes from the posters, not the lack of rules or whatever. If you turn this place into Serious Disscussion Involving Differeing Opinions On Various Video Game Platforms i garuntee now one would post here becuase you'd have to write a paragraph everytime you post so you dotn get banned.

The biggest problem are the posters who fly off the handle.

And I am not talking about those who mock, but those who are REALLY angry at whatever happens.

Case in point; Nintendo fans. They acted like TOTAL animals when Zelda was reviewed. And, they are trying their hardest to forget how they acted. Or, we get the few that flat out dismiss it, because they themselves were not apart of it.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

If anything, by housing a full-out System War, GameSpot makes itself (and its boards) a target for trolling.

blue_hazy_basic

That gave me an idea. Maybe the name of the board should be changed to something like "gaming debate". The former which implies that different platforms are enemies, the latter which implies that disagreement doesn't necessarily mean being enemies, and therefore the need for harsh conflict.

That's a rather spot-on idea.

Changing the board may be the only way of fixing the problems.

If you turn this place into Serious Disscussion Involving Differeing Opinions On Various Video Game Platforms i garuntee now one would post here becuase you'd have to write a paragraph everytime you post so you dotn get banned. JPOBS

General Games Discussion?

Changing the board may be the only way of fixing the problems.AdobeArtist

Wouldn't that be the same as deleting the board? Why not just do that?

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]If you turn this place into Serious Disscussion Involving Differeing Opinions On Various Video Game Platforms i garuntee now one would post here becuase you'd have to write a paragraph everytime you post so you dotn get banned. Jandurin

General Games Discussion?

which is why i dotn get the complaining in this thread. Theres no need to change systemwars when there already exists a forum like the one proposed by subrosian.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

If anything, by housing a full-out System War, GameSpot makes itself (and its boards) a target for trolling.

AdobeArtist

That gave me an idea. Maybe the name of the board should be changed to something like "gaming debate". The former which implies that different platforms are enemies, the latter which implies that disagreement doesn't necessarily mean being enemies, and therefore the need for harsh conflict.

That's a rather spot-on idea.

Changing the board may be the only way of fixing the problems.

What we need:

1) More mods, but more importantly reasonable active mods that are part of the community. People like Jandurin or Dreams Visions. Make the mods part of the board again instead of the enemy.

2) Mods chill out! Less moderations and less harsh ones. Its too easy to get moderated on SW for minor offences while major trollers seemingly escape untouched.

3) More OT. We need more off topic not less. While I don't want a vast chunk of spam threads, posters should be able to go OT as long as its not abused. This would make people less aggressive as they can joke together rather than being in each others faces the whole time.

4) No low level posters creating threads.

5) Don't blame the mods! Every ill at SW seems to be placed at Casey's door, when it has far more to do with the way the community acts than the mods.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]If you turn this place into Serious Disscussion Involving Differeing Opinions On Various Video Game Platforms i garuntee now one would post here becuase you'd have to write a paragraph everytime you post so you dotn get banned. JPOBS

General Games Discussion?

which is why i dotn get the complaining in this thread. Theres no need to change systemwars when there already exists a forum like the one proposed by subrosian.

And compared to theese forums gdg is empty...

THATS why those old sw trolls were good. The forums were more ACTIVE and there was more discussion to be had. Every time ginger, yo_foo, keywii started a thread, everyone would join and in the end, we DID have a good discussion. They encouraged people to open up, and they were forced into posting in a more serious manner because random "lolololz ps3 rox" comments would make them look dumb even compared to the trolls.

The stupidity was ALWAYS there and it was the source of a good lengthy discussion. Now things got more strict, people are getting banned left and right, and all we see is the same type of threads made by the same lvl 1's and 2's. It's just not the same as seing one of the big guys post a thread, be it a troll thread at heart or not.

Like it or not, the trolls bring life to this place and you are trying to demolish this place unwillingly. Again, gdg is for serious gaming discussion, and look at it. I would much rather post here than there and by the look of things, it's the same with the rest of us. Turn this into a serious board and it will just die.

I wish I had the time to read through this thread, but as is, forgive me if I repeat points everyone's already made. (Which I'm sure I will.)

Anyway, my opinion.

Minimum Poster Level

A significant percentage of spam, trolling, and flaming comes from low-level posters, either because they are alt-accounts for troublemakers, or inexperienced users who do not see a higher purpose in System Wars.

I propose a minimum level of 10, and a minimum post count of 100 to post in System Wars. This level is not hard to achieve, but it will force new accounts to prove they can contribute meaningfully to GameSpot before participating in System Wars.

An added perk is this will reduce the moderation load in SW - ban-dodgers will have to spend more time with an account before they are able to disrupt the SW board.

No. Level restrictions will also reduce the amount of genuinely new people to System Wars. Plus, trolling is part of SW. What threads are most remembered? What quotes are most remembered? Those of trolls. You may not like it, but removing trolls is removing part of the community.



Change of Leadership

CaseyWegner has been an important supporter of System Wars both on the board and behind the scenes for years, however it is not secret he's been burned out for quite some time, and, let's face it - jaded by his experiences.

It's high time we introduce a newer moderator to the position of "master mod of System Wars" - perhaps CakeOrrDeath, or newly elected moderators.

You can give Cake the title, but can you really change responsibilities? I agree with this, but it will never happen.

Admin Involvement

A big part of keeping other boards on GS healthy has been the work of admins in making the site, TOU, and enhancement transparent. As such, it'd be nice to see an admin turn a loving hand toward system wars.

Many SW posters don't venture further into GS, and without doing so may never discover that there's more go GS. Having an admin volunteer a bit of their time on this board would create more of a sense of community and solidarity with GS - something system wars is sorely lacking.

I don't care for admins, unless they're actually willing to participate. Having an admin merely lurking around would just feel like parenting. And good luck finding an admin who would actually do SW.


Encourage a Community of Discussion

Moderation should be used harshly on spam, trolling, flaming, grouping, and anything that comes close to the spirit of doing this, even if within the letter of the law, and relax on other areas. In essence the ideal System Wars is one in which "Lemming Pwned, Forza 3 Flops" is locked immediately.

No. What we need is less threads locked, period.

Also in this vein, serious, contemplative posting should be encouraged - this means anything (and anyone) who treats System Wars as a game should be removed. Joke comic strips, bets threads, "flop / score-hype" threads and the like should all be unstickied and locked for good.

:roll: Of course.Here's where theagenda comes into play.


Removal of Reward Mechanisms

Removing Bets, Hype, and Flop stickies would remove a large part of the "game" reward mechanism, but it means sacrificing other threads too - "best poster", "best thread", et cetera are all a breeding ground for troll-worship, encouraging porn-suicides, fakeboys, and intentionally stupid posting.

Enough is enough, and these types of threads need to be shown the door. If intelligence is to win out in the end we have to remove reward mechanisms for thoughtless, stupid behavior.

Sure, let's just remove all of the community and spirit of SW while you're at it. SW is a game to not some people, but most people. And that's perfectly fine.


Acceptance of Positive Outlook

System Wars currently takes a negative outlook - that is - a war of mutually assured destruction, in which we debate not on strengths but on weaknesses - not on good but on bad. System Wars encourages the "I hate", "I won't", and "this sucks" posting.

Rarely, if ever, does System Wars celebrate a greatness collectively, or embrace titles despite them being a positive for the "other guy", or push away and compliment competition when a title seems like a victory for "your guy".

Without a positive outlook, System Wars becomes needlessly bleak - the outlook of a war-torn, horrific future, in which each platform struggles to survive benefits no one.

This is where we'd have to say "If you don't like it, there's the door." This is SW, a war-torn, horrific future, and game in and of itself. Changing that leaves us General Gaming Discussion.

subrosian

We need less rules, less strictness, and more anarchy. We need to literally be the garbage dump of Gamespot. Then, the community will rule, and so the community will thrive.

We need less rules, less strictness, and more anarchy. We need to literally be the garbage dump of Gamespot. Then, the community will rule, and so the community will thrive.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

YES! You are more renowned here than I am, I hope people listen to you at least... I try saying the same thing in almost every subrosian thread but nada. I have nothing against you sub, but I really think that you don't get the point of this place or don't remember when theese forums were at their best.

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We need less rules, less strictness, and more anarchy. We need to literally be the garbage dump of Gamespot. Then, the community will rule, and so the community will thrive.

astiop

YES! You are more renowned here than I am, I hope people listen to you at least... I try saying the same thing in almost every subrosian thread but nada. I have nothing against you sub, but I really think that you don't get the point of this place or don't remember when theese forums were at their best.