SC: Conviction producer trashes the ps3

http://kotaku.com/gaming/smack-talk/splinter-cell-producer-trashes-ps3s-ai-capabilities-288817.php

what do you guys think

Personally, I'd like to see a direct quote and a technical explanation.

But that's just me.

Factor 5 developer says Lair will never come out on 360 because 360's CPU can't take it.

Personally, I'd like to see a direct quote and a technical explanation.

But that's just me.

Redfingers

Exactly.

He only quotes him saying that it is 360 exclusive. He doesn't quote him saying the PS3 isn't capable of the AI. For all we know, he could've added that in himself.

Factor 5 developer says Lair will never come out on 360 because 360's CPU can't take it.

Scarletred

link?

Lol Splinter Cell. Finale-

and MGS4, which it seems to be a far better game (a very far better game) is for the ps3Giancar

It seems to be a far better game to you. Personally, I'm a bigger fan of Splinter Cell. To be clear, I don't care for MGS. But oh well, my opinion counts as little as yours does in this thread.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]Lol Splinter Cell. ImagineGamer

I doubt anyone wants to play the poor man's MGS, sorry. :(

Why is this surprising? Microsoft bought these guys a long time ago.

More desperate, under-handed MS business tactics.

The cows won't be able to grab each others balls in SC so they aren't interested. LOLZ. More proof the 360 is the most powerful gamingconsole on the market.JiveT

So powerful it could play MGS on 38 DVD9s!

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"][QUOTE="Finale-"]Lol Splinter Cell. Finale-

I doubt anyone wants to play the poor man's MGS, sorry. :(

splinter cell is ALOT...ALOT better then MGS

[QUOTE="Giancar"]and MGS4, which it seems to be a far better game (a very far better game) is for the ps3aliasfreak

It seems to be a far better game to you. Personally, I'm a bigger fan of Splinter Cell. To be clear, I don't care for MGS. But oh well, my opinion counts as little as yours does in this thread.

well mgs4 is a far hyped game...

just see how many rumours about multiplatform gets...

and SC? nope

Why? a few people care about it

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[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"][QUOTE="Finale-"]Lol Splinter Cell. beerm_basic

I doubt anyone wants to play the poor man's MGS, sorry. :(

splinter cell is ALOT...ALOT better then MGS

Better at being horrible, it seems.

The cows won't be able to grab each others balls in SC so they aren't interested. LOLZ. More proof the 360 is the most powerful gamingconsole on the market.JiveT

More powerful because you can't teabag.

I love your logic.

You will be added to my sig shortly.

The cows won't be able to grab each others balls in SC so they aren't interested. LOLZ. More proof the 360 is the most powerful gamingconsole on the market.JiveT

Is that you Mr_Fugly?

Well, you know, Kojima did say Octo-Cam was only possible on the PS3.

I'm not sure SC: D devs necessarily have an agenda, they're obviously not willing to place their games on other platforms. If we see it on PC in a year I'm pretty sure we'll have concrete evidence of their intentions. However, I'm just not sure they actually said it A) and I'm not sure they really know any better B).

I would like a very specific explanation in technical terms why the Playstation 3 is less capable than the Xbox 360 in terms of AI. Specifically, I'm interested in this because all prior knowledge and developer comments suggest the Playstation 3 has a more than capable CPU that is more powerful than the competition.

What do i think? I think that its about goddamn time for children to accept that the 360is probablyactually the better console. Thats whatthe hell i think. And i think they should also come to terms with Mutiplatform devs >>>> exclussive ones when talking about technical capabilities of a console.A-LEGEND

Apparently you have amnesia. SC:C devs are, in fact, exclusive developers. They are not comparing seperate builds of the game, they simply, arbitrarily, stated that the game will not be coming to Playstation 3 because it is less capable in terms of AI. With no substantial backing. Allegedly, they said this.

Hummm...what does he know? Kojima will prove everybody wrong. Just Wait.BlueBarad

you're joking right? the MGS series has NEVER been known for great AI, if anything the bad AI is part of the camp appeal the game has. just watch the Kojima walkthrough -- I'm sorry, but if a guard 3 feet away from me doesn't notice the human-body-shaped lump on the floor with a tile pattern on it's back then something is amiss :) or how about a moving barrel? as if a guard wouldn't remember that 'hey, there wasn't a barrel here 10 seconds ago'...

someone might prove that the PS3 can do good AI, but it sure as hell won't be Kojima - I think he'd be the first to admit that AI has never been his bag.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]The cows won't be able to grab each others balls in SC so they aren't interested. LOLZ. More proof the 360 is the most powerful gaming console on the market.xDonRobx

More powerful because you can't teabag.

I love your logic.

You will be added to my sig shortly.

If you don't like fanboys stay out of System Wars. Its like somebody going to a zoo and complaining about all the wild animals. I guess it confused you but I was referring to the producers comments about the AI not "tea bagging" or whatever you are on about.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Hummm...what does he know? Kojima will prove everybody wrong. Just Wait.3picuri3

you're joking right? the MGS series has NEVER been known for great AI, if anything the bad AI is part of the camp appeal the game has. just watch the Kojima walkthrough -- I'm sorry, but if a guard 3 feet away from me doesn't notice the human-body-shaped lump on the floor with a tile pattern on it's back then something is amiss :) or how about a moving barrel? as if a guard wouldn't remember that 'hey, there wasn't a barrel here 10 seconds ago'...

someone might prove that the PS3 can do good AI, but it sure as hell won't be Kojima - I think he'd be the first to admit that AI has never been his bag.

Which just proves, you've never played a MGS game on European Extreme ;) Sucks for you. You're missing out on a great franchise.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Hummm...what does he know? Kojima will prove everybody wrong. Just Wait.3picuri3

you're joking right? the MGS series has NEVER been known for great AI, if anything the bad AI is part of the camp appeal the game has. just watch the Kojima walkthrough -- I'm sorry, but if a guard 3 feet away from me doesn't notice the human-body-shaped lump on the floor with a tile pattern on it's back then something is amiss :) or how about a moving barrel? as if a guard wouldn't remember that 'hey, there wasn't a barrel here 10 seconds ago'...

someone might prove that the PS3 can do good AI, but it sure as hell won't be Kojima - I think he'd be the first to admit that AI has never been his bag.

Metal Gear Solid 4 was presumably playing at a very simple difficulty level in that particular demonstration. Whether or not MGS is famed for it, that demo is a poor measure of AI performance, and intentionally so.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Hummm...what does he know? Kojima will prove everybody wrong. Just Wait.hotdaisy18

you're joking right? the MGS series has NEVER been known for great AI, if anything the bad AI is part of the camp appeal the game has. just watch the Kojima walkthrough -- I'm sorry, but if a guard 3 feet away from me doesn't notice the human-body-shaped lump on the floor with a tile pattern on it's back then something is amiss :) or how about a moving barrel? as if a guard wouldn't remember that 'hey, there wasn't a barrel here 10 seconds ago'...

someone might prove that the PS3 can do good AI, but it sure as hell won't be Kojima - I think he'd be the first to admit that AI has never been his bag.

Which just proves, you've never played a MGS game on European Extreme ;) Sucks for you. You're missing out on a great franchise.

2nd'd

[QUOTE="aliasfreak"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"]and MGS4, which it seems to be a far better game (a very far better game) is for the ps3Giancar

It seems to be a far better game to you. Personally, I'm a bigger fan of Splinter Cell. To be clear, I don't care for MGS. But oh well, my opinion counts as little as yours does in this thread.

well mgs4 is a far hyped game...

just see how many rumours about multiplatform gets...

and SC? nope

Why? a few people care about it

I've always liked Splinter Cell and MGS. I just don't get why people have to argue. If you don't like something doesn't mean it sucks. Just personal preferences.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"][QUOTE="Finale-"]Lol Splinter Cell. beerm_basic

I doubt anyone wants to play the poor man's MGS, sorry. :(

splinter cell is ALOT...ALOT better then MGS

sorry no, the stories are always forgettable in splinter cell

and sam fisher cant fight for crap, the moment he gets caught he has like no way to defend himself....some superspy, come on really.............

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"][QUOTE="Finale-"]Lol Splinter Cell. Finale-

I doubt anyone wants to play the poor man's MGS, sorry. :(

The MGS series has an aggregate score of 9.0

The SC series has an aggregate score of 8.7

A .3 difference does not make it a "poor man's MGS." I happen to prefer SC.

I've always liked Splinter Cell and MGS. I just don't get why people have to argue. If you don't like something doesn't mean it sucks. Just personal preferences.

Sir-Marwin105

Hey thanks for the common sense!

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]

I've always liked Splinter Cell and MGS. I just don't get why people have to argue. If you don't like something doesn't mean it sucks. Just personal preferences.

JiveT

Hey thanks for the common sense!

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Hummm...what does he know? Kojima will prove everybody wrong. Just Wait.hotdaisy18

you're joking right? the MGS series has NEVER been known for great AI, if anything the bad AI is part of the camp appeal the game has. just watch the Kojima walkthrough -- I'm sorry, but if a guard 3 feet away from me doesn't notice the human-body-shaped lump on the floor with a tile pattern on it's back then something is amiss :) or how about a moving barrel? as if a guard wouldn't remember that 'hey, there wasn't a barrel here 10 seconds ago'...

someone might prove that the PS3 can do good AI, but it sure as hell won't be Kojima - I think he'd be the first to admit that AI has never been his bag.

Which just proves, you've never played a MGS game on European Extreme ;) Sucks for you. You're missing out on a great franchise.

i've played all and finished all, but not on the hardest difficulty. if i have to do that to experience AI that isn't mentally deficient , always walking over the same patterns without deviations, not noticing obviously terrible hide-and-go-seek stealth movement (boxes moving, being in plain sight and not noticed, barrel moving, extremely obvious 'camo' suits) -- then I'm sorry, I don't think I'm missing out. I have a pretty good idea of what the game has to offer after beating it on normal.

anyone that wants to claim MGS series has good/great enemy AI seriously hasn't ever played a game that actually does have good AI.

Lol Splinter Cell. Finale-

'nuff said.

Splinter Cell is the EA Sports of action games. And I mean that in terms of quality, not popularity.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]Hummm...what does he know? Kojima will prove everybody wrong. Just Wait.Redfingers

you're joking right? the MGS series has NEVER been known for great AI, if anything the bad AI is part of the camp appeal the game has. just watch the Kojima walkthrough -- I'm sorry, but if a guard 3 feet away from me doesn't notice the human-body-shaped lump on the floor with a tile pattern on it's back then something is amiss :) or how about a moving barrel? as if a guard wouldn't remember that 'hey, there wasn't a barrel here 10 seconds ago'...

someone might prove that the PS3 can do good AI, but it sure as hell won't be Kojima - I think he'd be the first to admit that AI has never been his bag.

Metal Gear Solid 4 was presumably playing at a very simple difficulty level in that particular demonstration. Whether or not MGS is famed for it, that demo is a poor measure of AI performance, and intentionally so.

thanks for reinforcing my point -- MGS has never been recognized for having great AI. someone find me a review that praises the enemy AI, because from everything I've seen playing the games the AI is pretty terrible / predictable -- but I just thought that was part of the games charm. am I wrong? was I missing something? is the game TOTALLY different on the hardest setting? because if it is then Kojima-san is a bit of a fool for not letting all players experience this 'great' AI.

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"][QUOTE="Finale-"]Lol Splinter Cell. Finale-

I doubt anyone wants to play the poor man's MGS, sorry. :(

SC won AIAS awards...

Face it; splinter cell is the only true Tactical espionage game on the market for consoles...;)

[QUOTE="Finale-"]Lol Splinter Cell. ImagineGamer

What do i think? I think that its about god damn time for children to accept that the 360is probably actually the better console. Thats what the hell i think. And i think they should also come to terms with Mutiplatform devs >>>> exclussive ones when talking about technical capabilities of a console. because THEY are NOT biased. and when a producer comes out (fed up it seems) and straight says that your console SUCKS at the AI they are trying to make, then its time to take a hint.A-LEGEND

The problem with that is, something like this has happened before. One of the guys at epic said that Gears couldn't be done on the PS3, yet UE3 for PS3looks just as good and according to Mark Rein "runs better than Gears did for the 360".

Edit: keep in mind the guy at epic took the same defense. He said (in response to the rumors of gears going to PS3) that gears wouldn't go to Ps3 because the PS3 could not handle it.