SCEE David Reeves: HOME was too ambitious...

Non-gaming apps to blame but it's definitely out this autumn, says SCEE boss
Sony was being too ambitious with the non-gaming applications of Home and delayed the project to focus on gaming, SCEE president David Reeves has told CVG.

In a brief interview at the recent PlayStation Day event in London, Reeves admitted that Sony wants to make sure the gaming parts of the service, like trophies and Home-to-game launching, are ready before it goes public.

"It is definitely coming out in autumn," assured Reeves. "Whether that's October or November, I don't precisely know, but it is an open beta."

"We've realised that maybe we were too ambitious with the non-gaming applications within Home, getting sponsors and stuff like that," he went on to confess.

"In that sense we were deserting gamers. So, we're concentrating on the gaming by launching games in Home, and attracting people who are into gaming in first - instead of the Nike people, or Adidas people who are into fashion and not necessarily into gaming."

Reeves also spoke of the diminishing importance of platform exclusives from third parties, as first-party games become more prominent. "We did Buzz, we're doing LittleBigPlanet, Killzone, and there are obviously others that we're developing. We're becoming less dependent on third parties."

But, he added, Sony will seize exclusivity opportunities for games that attract new customers.

"It's got to be something that catches our eye and we think will bring new consumers into the industry. We can't keep recycling consumers from one iteration of PlayStation or Wii to another. We've got to gather up new people as we go through the years," he said.

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Screw home. Just let them fix what's lacking and what's broken. Then I'll be satisfied.

Yes, Sony can admit when they got something completely wrong. Shocking huh?

I'd rather they fix it for gamers and release it than put out something half-baked and prone to problems.

Should be interesting the response. All I saw for a while were threads claiming how home would pawn XBL. Wonder what the spin will be here? dhjohns

The funny part is that Sony admits they weren't even trying to compete with XBL. They were trying to do all that other random shhizz... and are just now focusing on providing what XBL has been for years.

haha more broken promises. PSN vs LIVE? lol come on now enough with that talk. Thats like trying to compare a honda to a mercedes Benz

how can it be overambitios? it a freakin second life rippoff. you can't get less ambitios than that. i just hope sony never brings this to the light of day its a really lame idea. thegoldenpoo

After all, we're still waiting for in-game music customization and in-game access to the XMB. Almost 2 years after launch, we're begging for features the 360 had since 2005.

So maybe in the case of Sony, they tried to do more than their people could handle. Not that SOMEONE out there couldn't do it...but that they could not.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]Should be interesting the response. All I saw for a while were threads claiming how home would pawn XBL. Wonder what the spin will be here? septicvirus

The funny part is that Sony admits they weren't even trying to compete with XBL. They were trying to do all that other random shhizz... and are just now focusing on providing what XBL has been for years.

Yeah I read that too. :lol: Bu bu but PSN is free. :lol:

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]Should be interesting the response. All I saw for a while were threads claiming how home would pawn XBL. Wonder what the spin will be here? septicvirus

The funny part is that Sony admits they weren't even trying to compete with XBL. They were trying to do all that other random shhizz... and are just now focusing on providing what XBL has been for years.

PSN is pathetic, still no XMB in game? Joke, and how bout them promises lol

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]Should be interesting the response. All I saw for a while were threads claiming how home would pawn XBL. Wonder what the spin will be here? septicvirus

The funny part is that Sony admits they weren't even trying to compete with XBL. They were trying to do all that other random shhizz... and are just now focusing on providing what XBL has been for years.

The worst thing you can do to the consumer is overpromise and underachieve.musicalmac

Seems like Sony's motto.

Off topic: You are mod now? Me scared. :P

The worst thing you can do to the consumer is overpromise and underachieve.musicalmac

all this wait and its only going to be a beta looolMedic_B

Kind of like how Killzone2 is STILL running on pre-alpha coding. :lol:

[QUOTE="septicvirus"]

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]Should be interesting the response. All I saw for a while were threads claiming how home would pawn XBL. Wonder what the spin will be here? Dreams-Visions

The funny part is that Sony admits they weren't even trying to compete with XBL. They were trying to do all that other random shhizz... and are just now focusing on providing what XBL has been for years.

Don't be so kind with the word think. :P We all KNOW that is what they thought. How many threads were created here that stated Home was the second coming?

The worst thing you can do to the consumer is overpromise and underachieve.musicalmac

very true

does anybody remember what happened last gen with sony's online deal with AOL?

The worst thing you can do to the consumer is overpromise and underachieve.musicalmac

See that's what you might think... but somehow it's worked for Sony for generations now.

Where are all the people with PS3 avatars here to discuss this matters. I hear criquets.

I knew it when I first saw it. I bet it'll be a great disappointment when it launches and it won't create the community that Sony wanted it to. BioShockOwnz

It never struck me as something people would want to use a lot. I think it'd be used for a couple of weeks, then i'd start dying down because it's an extra step.

You are mod now? Me scared. :P

dhjohns

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]Should be interesting the response. All I saw for a while were threads claiming how home would pawn XBL. Wonder what the spin will be here? dhjohns

The funny part is that Sony admits they weren't even trying to compete with XBL. They were trying to do all that other random shhizz... and are just now focusing on providing what XBL has been for years.

Don't be so kind with the word think. :P We all KNOW that is what they thought. How many threads were created here that stated Home was the second coming?

GOD i remember, thats who cows cant be taken too seriously IMO.

too ambitious = the product will not be as good as advertised = the way of Sony

i think more and more devs and publishers are getting interested with Home causing it to delay especially with devs trying to put their games' achievements interact with Home.

first i thought Home was going to be more of a Sim community just for the people and their achievements and til now..

just look at it now, even Peter Moore wants his Madden at Home, so as Dan Hauser with GTA4..

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to me this is like Kojima overestimated the PS3 in contrast with Kaz Hirai underestimating how many devs are wanting to put their games at Home

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]The worst thing you can do to the consumer is overpromise and underachieve.septicvirus

See that's what you might think... but somehow it's worked for Sony for generations now.

i think more and more devs and publishers are getting interested with Home causing it to delay especially with devs trying to put their games' achievements interact with Home.

first i thought Home was going to be more of a Sim community just for the people and their achievements and til now..

just look at it now, even Peter Moore wants his Madden at Home, so as Dan Hauser with GTA4..

SHuN_G0Ku

This has nothing to do with developers and publishers. It has EVERYTHING to do with Sony's continuous failure to deliver what they promise. Achievements have NEVER caused 360 titles or dashboard updates to be delayed.

i think more and more devs and publishers are getting interested with Home causing it to delay especially with devs trying to put their games' achievements interact with Home.

first i thought Home was going to be more of a Sim community just for the people and their achievements and til now..

just look at it now, even Peter Moore wants his Madden at Home, so as Dan Hauser with GTA4..

SHuN_G0Ku

That's a very "glass half full" assessment, sir.

too ambitious = the product will not be as good as advertised = the way of Sony

ReverseCycology

hey, RROD don't exist in your world remember..?

i think more and more devs and publishers are getting interested with Home causing it to delay especially with devs trying to put their games' achievements interact with Home.

first i thought Home was going to be more of a Sim community just for the people and their achievements and til now..

just look at it now, even Peter Moore wants his Madden at Home, so as Dan Hauser with GTA4..

>

to me this is like Kojima overestimated the PS3 in contrast with Kaz Hirai underestimating how many devs are wanting to put their games at Home

SHuN_G0Ku

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

too ambitious = the product will not be as good as advertised = the way of Sony

SHuN_G0Ku

hey, RROD don't exist in your world remember..?

What does my world gotta do with Home?

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

too ambitious = the product will not be as good as advertised = the way of Sony

ReverseCycology

hey, RROD don't exist in your world remember..?

What does my world gotta do with Home?

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"][QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

too ambitious = the product will not be as good as advertised = the way of Sony

f50p90

hey, RROD don't exist in your world remember..?

What does my world gotta do with Home?

regardless of that, NO ONE has HOME yet and probably won't by years end. :|

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"]

i think more and more devs and publishers are getting interested with Home causing it to delay especially with devs trying to put their games' achievements interact with Home.

first i thought Home was going to be more of a Sim community just for the people and their achievements and til now..

just look at it now, even Peter Moore wants his Madden at Home, so as Dan Hauser with GTA4..

Nedemis

This has nothing to do with developers and publishers. It has EVERYTHING to do with Sony's continuous failure to deliver what they promise. Achievements have NEVER caused 360 titles or dashboard updates to be delayed.

really.., let's see, before Warhawk, R&C, Uncharted, UT3, and games that came out after Tokyo Game Show 2007, Home was ready for its released because Phil Harrison and Jack Tretton stated it at E3 2007 showing it off to the audience..

..but, when the games were released, Incognito, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and even Epic got interested in putting their achievements at Home hend Kaz Hirai at TGS announced "Home delayed".

FIRST, Home was just a community basically just for people to interact and now look how many devs and publishers are interested on putting their game achievements at Home.., and we're not talking about just Home, we're talking about in-game videos and in-game XMBs as additional for this release

I feel like im the only one that bothered reading all of that....

to sum it up, they felt like they went to deep with non gaming features and have decided to delay it so they can concentrate on what the gamers would want.

[QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

too ambitious = the product will not be as good as advertised = the way of Sony

ReverseCycology

hey, RROD don't exist in your world remember..?

What does my world gotta do with Home?

it has to do with 120 FPS dual HDMI's. 4D, SUPERCOMPUTER, and that CGI video that had for Killzone 2 in 2005. lol a world of lies. Also rumble was last gen right?

I feel like im the only one that bothered reading all of that....

to sum it up, they felt like they went to deep with non gaming features and have decided to delay it so they can concentrate on what the gamers would want.

xTHExJUICEx

+1

Home is not that easy to develop. It's not a game but will include mini games (i think). We're talking about millions of PS3 owners who will go in Home that will interact at the same time. To me it seems that they want to release this in full throttle without PS3 owners having complaints (freezes, lags, glitches, etc..) once it comes out..

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="SHuN_G0Ku"]

i think more and more devs and publishers are getting interested with Home causing it to delay especially with devs trying to put their games' achievements interact with Home.

first i thought Home was going to be more of a Sim community just for the people and their achievements and til now..

just look at it now, even Peter Moore wants his Madden at Home, so as Dan Hauser with GTA4..

SHuN_G0Ku

This has nothing to do with developers and publishers. It has EVERYTHING to do with Sony's continuous failure to deliver what they promise. Achievements have NEVER caused 360 titles or dashboard updates to be delayed.

really.., let's see, before Warhawk, R&C, Uncharted, UT3, and games that came out after Tokyo Game Show 2007, Home was ready for its released because Phil Harrison and Jack Tretton stated it at E3 2007 showing it off to the audience..

..but, when the games were released, Incognito, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and even Epic got interested in putting their achievements at Home hend Kaz Hirai at TGS announced "Home delayed".

FIRST, Home was just a community basically just for people to interact and now look how many devs and publishers are interested on putting their game achievements at Home.., and we're not talking about just Home, we're talking about in-game videos and in-game XMBs as additional for this release

so you're saying that by developers and publishers simply being interested in HOME caused the delay? :lol:

Sony's the reason for the delay and nice try trying to convience ANYONE that the fault falls on devs shoulders.

btw....achievements(trophy room) were a part of HOME's initial concept when PH showed it live