Seems that Sony is getting what they want with Hackers.

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#102 Gta3-fan334
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]You're praising Sony for this? Interesting.Promised_Trini

So Sony actually scoring a hit against the Hackers.Shouldn't be praised:|

I do not think it should be praised. If you buy a piece of hardware, you own it! you are free to do whatever you want with it. Sony is, however, is free to ban people who hack or run homebrew from connecting to PSN, to prevent cheating. I just think it is wrong for Sony to try and stamp out modding and hacking completely, because not all of it is being used to cheat or pirate games.

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#103 TOAO_Cyrus1
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Everyone who supports Sony on this should go get molested by the TSA. Its literally the same thing, your giving up freedoms for security.

Anyways this does't mean much other then the fact that Sony has at least just enough of a leg to stand on for the judge not the throw the case out. Its standard procedure in civil cases for judges to order defendants/plaintiffs to hand over evidence.

Even if Sony succeeds all they will do is drive console jailbreaking underground. The FBI has been going after cracking groups for decades and it hasn't had any effect.

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#104 scar-hawk
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Another point for Sony. Great to see them pushing back hackers :D
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#105 Jonzey123
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So people are saying if Sony wins then it essentially means we don't own our PS3's and are just leasing them. So why should I give a **** about that? All I want to do is play PS3 games on my PS3. That's all I do. Why should I care if technically my "freedom" has been taken away? Some tiny, irrelevant freedom which makes no real impact on my life? It's not like it's going to lead to a police state or something like people are making out (but then, people always overreact when "OMG my freedoms are in jeopardy!!"). All it means is maybe, maybe console gaming will be a better experience for people who just want to play console games on their consoles.
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#106 Zaibach
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Everyone who supports Sony on this should go get molested by the TSA. Its literally the same thing, your giving up freedoms for security.

Anyways this does't mean much other then the fact that Sony has at least just enough of a leg to stand on for the judge not the throw the case out. Its standard procedure in civil cases for judges to order defendants/plaintiffs to hand over evidence.

Even if Sony succeeds all they will do is drive console jailbreaking underground. The FBI has been going after cracking groups for decades and it hasn't had any effect.

TOAO_Cyrus1

you want freedom, go play on the pc.

consoles were designed to be streamlined, the ps3 is a gaming machine first and everything else second.

you want to mod, go play on the pc

you want to watch pron whilst modding?, go play on the pc

you want to hack the pentagon using linux so you can launch a tactical nuke on north korea?....you need psychiatric help

The bottom line is, the primary purpose of the machine was to play games.

Yeha I know you bought the console you have rights, but when the rights start to infringe on everyone elses, its time to stamp it out

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#107 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]

Everyone who supports Sony on this should go get molested by the TSA. Its literally the same thing, your giving up freedoms for security.

Anyways this does't mean much other then the fact that Sony has at least just enough of a leg to stand on for the judge not the throw the case out. Its standard procedure in civil cases for judges to order defendants/plaintiffs to hand over evidence.

Even if Sony succeeds all they will do is drive console jailbreaking underground. The FBI has been going after cracking groups for decades and it hasn't had any effect.

Zaibach

you want freedom, go play on the pc.

consoles were designed to be streamlined, the ps3 is a gaming machine first and everything else second.

you want to mod, go play on the pc

you want to watch pron whilst modding?, go play on the pc

you want to hack the pentagon using linux so you can launch a tactical nuke on north korea?....you psychiatric help

The bottom line is, the primary purpose of the machine was to play games.

Yeha I know you bought the console you have rights, but when the rights start to infringe on everyone elses, its time to stamp it out

Thats an extremely narrow minded view point. It's no wonder the console designers get away with so much BS.
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#108 Zaibach
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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]

Everyone who supports Sony on this should go get molested by the TSA. Its literally the same thing, your giving up freedoms for security.

Anyways this does't mean much other then the fact that Sony has at least just enough of a leg to stand on for the judge not the throw the case out. Its standard procedure in civil cases for judges to order defendants/plaintiffs to hand over evidence.

Even if Sony succeeds all they will do is drive console jailbreaking underground. The FBI has been going after cracking groups for decades and it hasn't had any effect.

i5750at4Ghz

you want freedom, go play on the pc.

consoles were designed to be streamlined, the ps3 is a gaming machine first and everything else second.

you want to mod, go play on the pc

you want to watch pron whilst modding?, go play on the pc

you want to hack the pentagon using linux so you can launch a tactical nuke on north korea?....you psychiatric help

The bottom line is, the primary purpose of the machine was to play games.

Yeha I know you bought the console you have rights, but when the rights start to infringe on everyone elses, its time to stamp it out

Thats an extremely narrow minded view point. It's no wonder the console designers get away with so much BS.

Call it what you want.

Keep your hacking to the pc, console gamers dont care about 99% of the homebrew nonesense you're pushing, if they did they would invest in the pc

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#109 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]you want freedom, go play on the pc.

consoles were designed to be streamlined, the ps3 is a gaming machine first and everything else second.

you want to mod, go play on the pc

you want to watch pron whilst modding?, go play on the pc

you want to hack the pentagon using linux so you can launch a tactical nuke on north korea?....you psychiatric help

The bottom line is, the primary purpose of the machine was to play games.

Yeha I know you bought the console you have rights, but when the rights start to infringe on everyone elses, its time to stamp it out

Zaibach

Thats an extremely narrow minded view point. It's no wonder the console designers get away with so much BS.

Call it what you want.

Keep your hacking to the pc, console gamers dont care about 99% of the homebrew nonesense you're pushing, if they did they would invest in the pc

Ignorance is bliss.
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#110 KalDurenik
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]you want freedom, go play on the pc.

consoles were designed to be streamlined, the ps3 is a gaming machine first and everything else second.

you want to mod, go play on the pc

you want to watch pron whilst modding?, go play on the pc

you want to hack the pentagon using linux so you can launch a tactical nuke on north korea?....you psychiatric help

The bottom line is, the primary purpose of the machine was to play games.

Yeha I know you bought the console you have rights, but when the rights start to infringe on everyone elses, its time to stamp it out

Zaibach

Thats an extremely narrow minded view point. It's no wonder the console designers get away with so much BS.

Call it what you want.

Keep your hacking to the pc, console gamers dont care about 99% of the homebrew nonesense you're pushing, if they did they would invest in the pc

*facedesk* I know they want you to think that they own the product after you buy it. But atleast try to think for yourself instead of just following blindly on what they are saying. Once you buy a product you own it. If you want to turn it into a toaster there is nothing sony can do about it. if they win it would mean you are leashing the product (i think its called leashing) in said country.
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#111 Promised_Trini
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Now we have someone wanting to Blackmail Sony..Show's how they did score a hit.

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#112 Jolt_counter119
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...um. Are people actually against Sony lashing out against people who are responsible for the pirating of games. This isnt some small inconvencience and with increased production costs for games they need all the sales they can get and having guys releasing tools to encourage hacking isnt helping. I hope this Geohotz guy or whatever gets worse and I also hope that other guy whose threatening Sony to back off gets it too.

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#113 EmpCom
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[QUOTE="KalDurenik"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

Thats an extremely narrow minded view point. It's no wonder the console designers get away with so much BS.i5750at4Ghz

Call it what you want.

Keep your hacking to the pc, console gamers dont care about 99% of the homebrew nonesense you're pushing, if they did they would invest in the pc

*facedesk* I know they want you to think that they own the product after you buy it. But atleast try to think for yourself instead of just following blindly on what they are saying. Once you buy a product you own it. If you want to turn it into a toaster there is nothing sony can do about it. if they win it would mean you are leashing the product (i think its called leashing) in said country.

I dont think sony would give a fk if you turned your ps3 into a toaster but what they do care about is obvious
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#114 USS_Data
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[QUOTE="KalDurenik"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

Call it what you want.

Keep your hacking to the pc, console gamers dont care about 99% of the homebrew nonesense you're pushing, if they did they would invest in the pc

EmpCom

*facedesk* I know they want you to think that they own the product after you buy it. But atleast try to think for yourself instead of just following blindly on what they are saying. Once you buy a product you own it. If you want to turn it into a toaster there is nothing sony can do about it. if they win it would mean you are leashing the product (i think its called leashing) in said country.

I dont think sony would give a fk if you turned your ps3 into a toaster but what they do care about is obvious

You mean they care about that they can tell you what or what you can't do with your ps3? Sorry but once you paid for it it's your PROPERTY and you CAN do with it whatever you WANT. Sony should backoff with this idiotic behaviour and to be honest i hope the dude releases the code and hurt Sony even more.

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#115 EmpCom
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[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="KalDurenik"] *facedesk* I know they want you to think that they own the product after you buy it. But atleast try to think for yourself instead of just following blindly on what they are saying. Once you buy a product you own it. If you want to turn it into a toaster there is nothing sony can do about it. if they win it would mean you are leashing the product (i think its called leashing) in said country. USS_Data

I dont think sony would give a fk if you turned your ps3 into a toaster but what they do care about is obvious

You mean they care about that they can tell you what or what you can't do with your ps3? Sorry but once you paid for it it's your PROPERTY and you CAN do with it whatever you WANT. Sony should backoff with this idiotic behaviour and to be honest i hope the dude releases the code and hurt Sony even more.

Sorry but you cant do anything you want with anything you buy, try putting spikes on the wheels of your car and going for a drive on the roads. What sony has a problem with is people screwing with the psn playing pirated games etc etc
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#116 USS_Data
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] I dont think sony would give a fk if you turned your ps3 into a toaster but what they do care about is obviousEmpCom

You mean they care about that they can tell you what or what you can't do with your ps3? Sorry but once you paid for it it's your PROPERTY and you CAN do with it whatever you WANT. Sony should backoff with this idiotic behaviour and to be honest i hope the dude releases the code and hurt Sony even more.

Sorry but you cant do anything you want with anything you buy, try putting spikes on the wheels of your car and going for a drive on the roads. What sony has a problem with is people screwing with the psn playing pirated games etc etc

If I paid for my car and I want to put spikes on the wheels on my car and go for a drive the car company won't sue me for tampering with their wheels. Sony on the otherhand wants full controll and have the say of what you can and cannot do with something YOU paid for.

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#117 EmpCom
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

You mean they care about that they can tell you what or what you can't do with your ps3? Sorry but once you paid for it it's your PROPERTY and you CAN do with it whatever you WANT. Sony should backoff with this idiotic behaviour and to be honest i hope the dude releases the code and hurt Sony even more.

Sorry but you cant do anything you want with anything you buy, try putting spikes on the wheels of your car and going for a drive on the roads. What sony has a problem with is people screwing with the psn playing pirated games etc etc

If I paid for my car and I want to put spikes on the wheels on my car and go for a drive the car company won't sue me for tampering with their wheels. Sony on the otherhand wants full controll and have the say of what you can and cannot do with something YOU paid for.

No but the police would have something to say not to mention the courts , try this one then i ust got bought a cable box from my provider but hey im gonna hack it and get free ppv , hay maybe my cable operator will have a problem with that. Sony has every right to protect both themselves and their ligitimate customers.
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#118 USS_Data
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] Sorry but you cant do anything you want with anything you buy, try putting spikes on the wheels of your car and going for a drive on the roads. What sony has a problem with is people screwing with the psn playing pirated games etc etc EmpCom

If I paid for my car and I want to put spikes on the wheels on my car and go for a drive the car company won't sue me for tampering with their wheels. Sony on the otherhand wants full controll and have the say of what you can and cannot do with something YOU paid for.

No but the police would have something to say not to mention the courts , try this one then i ust got bought a cable box from my provider but hey im gonna hack it and get free ppv , hay maybe my cable operator will have a problem with that. Sony has every right to protect both themselves and their ligitimate customers.

If you bought it it's yours to do what you want with it simple as that.

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#119 EmpCom
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

If I paid for my car and I want to put spikes on the wheels on my car and go for a drive the car company won't sue me for tampering with their wheels. Sony on the otherhand wants full controll and have the say of what you can and cannot do with something YOU paid for.

No but the police would have something to say not to mention the courts , try this one then i ust got bought a cable box from my provider but hey im gonna hack it and get free ppv , hay maybe my cable operator will have a problem with that. Sony has every right to protect both themselves and their ligitimate customers.

If you bought it it's yours to do what you want with it simple as that.

And that is where you are wrong simple as that.
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#120 USS_Data
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] No but the police would have something to say not to mention the courts , try this one then i ust got bought a cable box from my provider but hey im gonna hack it and get free ppv , hay maybe my cable operator will have a problem with that. Sony has every right to protect both themselves and their ligitimate customers.EmpCom

If you bought it it's yours to do what you want with it simple as that.

And that is where you are wrong simple as that.

Nope that is what Sony wants their drones to think and take advantage of. Luckily there are still some inteligent people out there who know their rights and make a closed platform open.

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#121 KungfuKitten
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The funniest thing about all this is that if it weren't hotz, it would have been someone different. The lawsuit makes zilch difference in any shape form or way.

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#122 EmpCom
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[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

If you bought it it's yours to do what you want with it simple as that.

And that is where you are wrong simple as that.

Nope that is what Sony wants their drones to think and take advantage of. Luckily there are still some inteligent people out there who know their rights and make a closed platform open.

If that helps you justify it then go ahead,
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#123 VanDammFan
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I wont win this argument..BUT as painful as it is people...YOU CANT DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH MOST THINGS YOU BUY...You might do it and get away with it..BUT if the manufactures wanted to, they could put a stop to anything they wanted to.

NO I dont agree with it to some degree, but its the LAW...I believe in "sharring" content via the internet "P2P"...BUT just because I believe its ok doesnt mean its going to hold up in court.

I own my house and land...BUT I CANT do whatever I want with my house and land because of restrictions in my neighborhood. Its just the way the LAWS work. Be it right or wrong to anyone of you.."or me".

Now lets put this to rest..:)

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#124 Zaibach
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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Thats an extremely narrow minded view point. It's no wonder the console designers get away with so much BS.i5750at4Ghz

Call it what you want.

Keep your hacking to the pc, console gamers dont care about 99% of the homebrew nonesense you're pushing, if they did they would invest in the pc

Ignorance is bliss.

ignorant like a boss!

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#125 Zaibach
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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Thats an extremely narrow minded view point. It's no wonder the console designers get away with so much BS.KalDurenik

Call it what you want.

Keep your hacking to the pc, console gamers dont care about 99% of the homebrew nonesense you're pushing, if they did they would invest in the pc

*facedesk* I know they want you to think that they own the product after you buy it. But atleast try to think for yourself instead of just following blindly on what they are saying. Once you buy a product you own it. If you want to turn it into a toaster there is nothing sony can do about it. if they win it would mean you are leashing the product (i think its called leashing) in said country.

keep smashing our face on the desk, its your property you can do what you want with it

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