Sheep, mind telling me why you're playing sales?

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OK, before I get flamed out of my mind--Super Mario Galaxy, SSBB, and Mario Kart Wii are amazing games that everyone should play, and Nintendo is the most consistantly good dev out there.

But I can't ignore it anymore.

Some sheep are saying that since their console is selling the most, it's the best, and forgetting how, last year, they boasted how, thanks to sales, the Wii would get amazing 3rd party games, and when someone mentions how much showelware the Wii gets, they mention SMG, or the Nintendo games. Are you sure that's going to upset the numerous half-a$$ed attempts at money-making? I mean, you guys get this:

Target: Terror BoxshotGameSpot rated: 3.0

Red Steel BoxshotGameSpot rated: 5.5

Anubis II BoxshotGameSpot rated: 1.5, one of the worst rated games in GameSpot history, rivaling Superman 64

Ninjabread Man BoxshotAccording to GameSpot, average critic score: 1.7 over five reviews

Jenga World Tour BoxshotGameSpot rated: 2.0

These games are the norm of the average Wii game, and no amount of good Nintendo games will upset it, when, for every good Nintendo game, there's about 10-20 crappy games.

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How is Mario Kart an "amazing" game? :?
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the wii is doing PC gamers a favor they putting the ps3 and 360 deeper and deeper in the hole. That is a good thing too. I hope that sony and micro soft lauch their new console soon too so they can go deeper into the hole.
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How is Mario Kart an "amazing" game? :?Stevo_the_gamer
I just find it good, everybody complains about the item balance, I just like it because it makes the game harder.
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PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal console sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:
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the wii is doing PC gamers a favor they putting the ps3 and 360 deeper and deeper in the hole. That ia a good thing too. I hope that sony and micro soft lauch their new console soon too so they can go deeper into the hole.blackdreamhunk
So you would rather have games that are consistantly called the worst games of all time over actual games?
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PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:Lionheart08
The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.
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Every group plays sales when it benefits them or downplay them when they're on the bottom of the scale. Welcome to SW...
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During the Gamecube era, it didnt matter about sales.
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:ChrisSpartan117
The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

True enough, but that's just system wars for you. Cows loved last gen because PS2 squashed the competition in sales, despite the fact that so many GC games won GOTY. Every group looks for their own victories in the end.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]How is Mario Kart an "amazing" game? :?ChrisSpartan117
I just find it good, everybody complains about the item balance, I just like it because it makes the game harder.

Then why did you list it as an "amazing" game if you think it's just "good" (Gamespot infers that good = 7.0 - 7.5) :?
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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:Lionheart08

The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

True enough, but that's just system wars for you. Cows loved last gen because PS2 squashed the competition in sales, despite the fact that so many GC games won GOTY. Every group looks for their own victories in the end.

Tekken 5 BoxshotGS Rated: 9.2

Final Fantasy X BoxshotGS rated: 9.3

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater BoxshotGS rated: 8.7, and this is considered a slightly underrated game.

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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]How is Mario Kart an "amazing" game? :?Stevo_the_gamer
I just find it good, everybody complains about the item balance, I just like it because it makes the game harder.

Then why did you list it as an "amazing" game if you think it's just "good" (Gamespot infers that good = 7.0 - 7.5) :?

I didn't think about that when I typed that LOL

And BTW, I loved the game for the somewhat demanding difficulty and the motion controls were fun to use.

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Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?
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PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal console sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:Lionheart08
I truly hope Nintendo fans do not believe that their system is even close to being "comparable" to the PS2.
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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]the wii is doing PC gamers a favor they putting the ps3 and 360 deeper and deeper in the hole. That ia a good thing too. I hope that sony and micro soft lauch their new console soon too so they can go deeper into the hole.ChrisSpartan117
So you would rather have games that are consistantly called the worst games of all time over actual games?

The PC only has one more AA+ title this year so far than the Wii.

And to answer your question I just completed Strongbad and still play SSBB and Mario Kart on my Wi.

A side note I also just completed Lost Planet and now working on Kameo on my 360.

It called having more than one game system.

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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:ChrisSpartan117
The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

From the launch point of the Wii to now the Wii has sold more third party games than any other system.

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PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal console sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:Lionheart08

The difference though is that it had alot of good first and third pary support. While the Wii really only has good first party and pitiful third party support.

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Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?goblaa
Was reported to have sold over a million copies, so did Red Steel
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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:HarlockJC

The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

From the launch point of the Wii to now the Wii has sold more third party games than any other system.

I thought quality>sales?
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:ChrisSpartan117

The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

From the launch point of the Wii to now the Wii has sold more third party games than any other system.

I thought quality>sales?

Did I say that it was not?

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[QUOTE="goblaa"]Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?ChrisSpartan117
Was reported to have sold over a million copies, so did Red Steel

Have you played it? I have...and it's not that bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. More of a 7.0

The only fair review of CG I have ever seen.

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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:HarlockJC

The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

From the launch point of the Wii to now the Wii has sold more third party games than any other system.

I thought the point of this thread was sales=//=quality.

Besides, the best selling third party games arent the ambitious ones(and please don't play the RE4 card. Porting three year old games is not the deffinition of ambitious). You know, the good ones. The ones gamers actually give a crap about.

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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:HarlockJC

The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

From the launch point of the Wii to now the Wii has sold more third party games than any other system.

I thought quality>sales?

Did I say that it was not?

I mentioned quality, you mentioned sales. You can't use sales to justify the Wii's horrible library.
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?ChrisSpartan117
Was reported to have sold over a million copies, so did Red Steel



1.5 Mill and there is a sequel planned alonge side an all mini golf version.
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We get it, there's shovelware on the Wii. No use in beating a horse that's already been long since dead.
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How is Mario Kart an "amazing" game? :?Stevo_the_gamer

it definitely is not. double dash was more fun

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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="goblaa"]Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?goblaa

Was reported to have sold over a million copies, so did Red Steel

Have you played it? I have...and it's not that bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. More of a 7.0

The only fair review of CG I have ever seen.

Sweet Jeebus, a 7? Really?
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We get it, there's shovelware on the Wii. No use in beating a horse that's already been long since dead.-Wheels-
This is more of a "stop saying sales beats quality" than "this system's library sucks" thread.
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[QUOTE="nintendog66"][QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"]

OK, before I get flamed out of my mind-- Halo 3, Bioshock and Forza2 are amazing games that everyone should play, and Microsoft is the one of the most consistantly good publisher out there.

But I can't ignore it anymore.

Some lemmings are saying that since their "games"(?) sell the most, it's the best, and forgetting how, last year, they boasted how, thanks to sales of Halo 3, the 360 would get amazing exclusive first-person shooter games, and when someone mentions how much showelware the 360 gets, they mention Halo 3, or the Microsoft-published games. Are you sure that's going to upset the numerous half-a$$ed attempts at money-making? I mean, you guys get this:

GameSpot rated: 2.0

GameSpot rated: 2.0

GameSpot rated: 2.0, one of the worst rated FPS games in GameSpot history.

2.9

GameSpot rated: 3.5

These games are the norm of the average 360 game, and no amount of good Microsoft games will upset it, when, for every good Microsoft game, there's about 10-20 crappy games.

ChrisSpartan117

Fixed ;)

Every one boasts how there are horrible games on a system and fail to see the ones that are good...

I didn't hear about how some of those games went on to sell a million. I didn't hear more about the sales more than the quality of the games in recent memory. You see, the lems and cows actually boast about how good their games are, not how many of those games sold well.

"Wii's third party game don't sell!!!"

"Bu... Buh... Teh Wii only sells hardware not software:cry:"

That's basically 50% comments thrown at the Wii when sheep use sales as their defense.

And none of the wii games the TC posted sold over 1 million, not even 100k. Except Red Steel, but that was hyped to death and thrown around as the best thing since sliced bread.

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:vashkey

The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

From the launch point of the Wii to now the Wii has sold more third party games than any other system.

I thought the point of this thread was sales=//=quality.

Besides, the best selling third party games arent the ambitious ones(and please don't play the RE4 card. Porting three year old games is not the deffinition of ambitious). You know, the good ones. The ones gamers actually give a crap about.

I don't really feel like playing the list thing and proving myself with links, right now just taking a minute from Kameo. But there are many 3rd party games that sold better than expect that were not just million seller. A couple off the top of my head Zack & Wikki and No More Hero's.

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[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="goblaa"]Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?Ibacai

Was reported to have sold over a million copies, so did Red Steel

Have you played it? I have...and it's not that bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. More of a 7.0

The only fair review of CG I have ever seen.

Sweet Jeebus, a 7? Really?

Have you played it? It get's bashed constantly here, but almost no one has even played it.

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Fixed ;)

Every one boasts how there are horrible games on a system and fail to see the ones that are good...

nintendog66

So, "Nintendo"g66. Did you know that 32.54% of the Wii's library (critically) has scored above 69.999%? That means a whopping 67.46% of Wii games score... according to the US grading scale -- an D or an F. Hard to NOT notice those games, eh chap?

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Same goes for the wii. Almost every single crap game on the wii has flopped in sales. Carnival games did not, but it's only average, not crap. Same for red steel. There is much much worse on the wii and none of it sold well.

Spiderman 3 though is a terrible game along with iron man...both were million sellers on the PS3 and 360.

goblaa

that is pathetic. how many morons really see the iron man movie and then go out and get the game like itll be good. it was a **** game based on commercials even. usually commercials can at least make the game look good to the unknowing public

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Sheep keep saying that they won more GOTY awards so that means with games they win. Which would you rather have sheep; 1 great game and crappy other ones, or a number of great games in which its hard to pick a choice for GOTY candidate.
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[QUOTE="-Wheels-"]We get it, there's shovelware on the Wii. No use in beating a horse that's already been long since dead.ChrisSpartan117
This is more of a "stop saying sales beats quality" than "this system's library sucks" thread.

You would not know the outcome of the Wii's sales yet. Good games take 2 to 3 years to come out. Many 3rd party companies were caught off guard by the Wii's sales.

If that is the point of the thread, you really should wait one more year.

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[QUOTE="nintendog66"]

Fixed ;)

Every one boasts how there are horrible games on a system and fail to see the ones that are good...

Stevo_the_gamer

So, "Nintendo"g66. Did you know that 32.54% of the Wii's library (critically) has scored above 69.999%? That means a whopping 67.46% of Wii games score... according to the US grading scale -- an D or an F. Hard to NOT notice those games, eh "chap"?

What are the PS2's percentages? And who play's bad games? Or buys bad games?

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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]PS2 also had equally crappy games with phenominal sales. I'm seeing a similarity. :shock:HarlockJC

The PS2 had more good games though. You know, actual 3rd party games.

From the launch point of the Wii to now the Wii has sold more third party games than any other system.

I thought the point of this thread was sales=//=quality.

Besides, the best selling third party games arent the ambitious ones(and please don't play the RE4 card. Porting three year old games is not the deffinition of ambitious). You know, the good ones. The ones gamers actually give a crap about.

I don't really feel like playing the list thing and proving myself with links, right now just taking a minute from Kameo. But there are many 3rd party games that sold better than expect that were not just million seller. A couple off the top of my head Zack & Wikki and No More Hero's.

BEtter than expected? Suda 51 was dissapointed with the sales of No More Heroes. And Zack and Wiki regardless of selling "better than expected" still didn't sell that much.

There are not many ambitious third party games that sold on the Wii. Largely just rehashes and mini game collections.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nintendog66"]

Fixed ;)

Every one boasts how there are horrible games on a system and fail to see the ones that are good...

goblaa

So, "Nintendo"g66. Did you know that 32.54% of the Wii's library (critically) has scored above 69.999%? That means a whopping 67.46% of Wii games score... according to the US grading scale -- an D or an F. Hard to NOT notice those games, eh "chap"?

What are the PS2's percentages? And who play's bad games? Or buys bad games?

well apparently over a million people bought iron man on ps3 and 360

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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="nintendog66"][QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"]

OK, before I get flamed out of my mind-- Halo 3, Bioshock and Forza2 are amazing games that everyone should play, and Microsoft is the one of the most consistantly good publisher out there.

But I can't ignore it anymore.

Some lemmings are saying that since their "games"(?) sell the most, it's the best, and forgetting how, last year, they boasted how, thanks to sales of Halo 3, the 360 would get amazing exclusive first-person shooter games, and when someone mentions how much showelware the 360 gets, they mention Halo 3, or the Microsoft-published games. Are you sure that's going to upset the numerous half-a$$ed attempts at money-making? I mean, you guys get this:

GameSpot rated: 2.0

GameSpot rated: 2.0

GameSpot rated: 2.0, one of the worst rated FPS games in GameSpot history.

2.9

GameSpot rated: 3.5

These games are the norm of the average 360 game, and no amount of good Microsoft games will upset it, when, for every good Microsoft game, there's about 10-20 crappy games.

nintendog66

Fixed ;)

Every one boasts how there are horrible games on a system and fail to see the ones that are good...

I didn't hear about how some of those games went on to sell a million. I didn't hear more about the sales more than the quality of the games in recent memory. You see, the lems and cows actually boast about how good their games are, not how many of those games sold well.

"Wii's third party game don't sell!!!"

"Bu... Buh... Teh Wii only sells hardware not software:cry:"

That's basically 50% comments thrown at the Wii when sheep use sales as their defense.

And none of the wii games the TC posted sold over 1 million, not even 100k. Except Red Steel, but that was hyped to death and thrown around as the best thing since sliced bread.

I think you also need to consider one thing: 3rd party devs seem to put much more effort on the 360/PS3 than the Wii. Ubisoft, for example:

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 BoxshotWas considered a mere expansion pack, yet rated 8.7 on GS

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 BoxshotSame for this title, yet rated 8.5 here

And trust me, I hate some of the tactics of the other groups, like after MGS4 got a 10 here, lems whined and said that we should use GameRankings instead of GS.

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#47 HarlockJC
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[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="goblaa"]Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?goblaa

Was reported to have sold over a million copies, so did Red Steel

Have you played it? I have...and it's not that bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. More of a 7.0

The only fair review of CG I have ever seen.

Sweet Jeebus, a 7? Really?

Have you played it? It get's bashed constantly here, but almost no one has even played it.

I own it and enjoy it with my family. I would say that if someone does not have young kids this is not the game for them. Anyone with a family of kids under 10 this is a great game and I would recommend it.

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#48 Ibacai
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[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="goblaa"]Half a$$ed attempts and making profit is right, because none of those games (sans redsteel) turned even a dollar of profit...so what's your point?goblaa

Was reported to have sold over a million copies, so did Red Steel

Have you played it? I have...and it's not that bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. More of a 7.0

The only fair review of CG I have ever seen.

Sweet Jeebus, a 7? Really?

Have you played it? It get's bashed constantly here, but almost no one has even played it.

I have indeed, I rented it for my sister actually. I hated it and thought the controls were completely broken for most of the games. Broken by either helping you way to much or totally unresponsive. Especially ring-toss, blech. Though I will say I did like some of the prizes and how they were themed by games.
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[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"]We get it, there's shovelware on the Wii. No use in beating a horse that's already been long since dead.HarlockJC

This is more of a "stop saying sales beats quality" than "this system's library sucks" thread.

You would not know the outcome of the Wii's sales yet. Good games take 2 to 3 years to come out. Many 3rd party companies were caught off guard by the Wii's sales.

If that is the point of the thread, you really should wait one more year.

Waiting years for good games. Yup, this certainly is a Nintendo system alright.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nintendog66"]

Fixed ;)

Every one boasts how there are horrible games on a system and fail to see the ones that are good...

goblaa

So, "Nintendo"g66. Did you know that 32.54% of the Wii's library (critically) has scored above 69.999%? That means a whopping 67.46% of Wii games score... according to the US grading scale -- an D or an F. Hard to NOT notice those games, eh "chap"?

What are the PS2's percentages? And who play's bad games? Or buys bad games?

774 games out of 1564 scored above 69.999% at Metacritic which points to around 49%.

You'd be surprised just how many people buy "bad" games -- the most obvious one that comes to mind is 50 cents' game.