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#101 StephenHu
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Wooo, check out those varied textures, the individual bricks, and parallax mapping or whatever its called
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#102 360_Degrees
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Thats is so totally wrong on the stanrdards things. Standards are formulated based on competition between different games. With fewer games to compare to, expectations are lower. The PC has over ten times as many high quality titles as the 360 to compare to. Standards are WAY higher on the PC no matter how you look at it. "Because its at the beginning of its life cycle" is all the more reason why games are being scored even more leaniently.Vandalvideo

 

Thats absolutely ridiculous to even consider comparing older games to current day games. Honestly, we both know that you can't take a 3+ year old game and compare it to a modern day game. I really hope you don't think that STALKER is in competition with the original Half-Life...

And as for the consoles, they can still be compared to against the other platforms (which the PC lacks), and the 360 still has quite a few games, plus gameplay can be compared to previous games in a franchise on other platforms. Therefore, the competition issue still stands for consoles as hermits like to ignore. You can turn a blind-eye to it if it makes you sleep at night, though. 

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#103 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="QuinnTheEskimo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="QuinnTheEskimo"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]As to prevent massive quotage: Graphcis are the overall presentation of a game including the lighting affects, character models, textures, etc. If something looks abhorrently unnatural its only natural that one would think it looks fake. (WOO HOO WORD GAMES). If oversized, unrealistic meat heads that look like they've taken a trip to the Blue Oyster bar and were dipped in a vat of vasoline and glitter are your thing, then go for it. real_madrid_99

>The character models look like ass... Just like the rest of the game.

They look pretty surreal, subtle, and picturesque to me.

That guy looks like a pig... Look at those fingers! :lol:...picturesque!

Yup, Stalker looks like one magnificant Salvador Dali work.

wow wow hold up before saying stuff out of your a** obviously you know nothing about art................... everything makes kinda sense right now

I know everything about art. I'm reading the paintings and "Searching for the Fourth Dimension: a la recherche de la quatrieme dimension" looks eerily like Stalker
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#104 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Thats is so totally wrong on the stanrdards things. Standards are formulated based on competition between different games. With fewer games to compare to, expectations are lower. The PC has over ten times as many high quality titles as the 360 to compare to. Standards are WAY higher on the PC no matter how you look at it. "Because its at the beginning of its life cycle" is all the more reason why games are being scored even more leaniently.360_Degrees

 

Thats absolutely ridiculous to even consider comparing older games to current day games. Honestly, we both know that you can't take a 3+ year old game and compare it to a modern day game. I really hope you don't think that STALKER is in competition with the original Half-Life...

And as for the consoles, they can still be compared to against the other platforms (which the PC lacks), and the 360 still has quite a few games, plus gameplay can be compared to previous games in a franchise on other platforms. Therefore, the competition issue still stands for consoles as hermits like to ignore. You can turn a blind-eye to it if it makes you sleep at night, though. 

Gamespot review faq: "We compare games based of off same genre same platform" When reviews are taken into consideration THEY DO NOT compare based off of over platforms. The PC itself is one gigantic platform comparing back over the extended period of time with over 165 AAA titles alone. Consoles, however, are split up. Thats why PC scores continually score lower despite their ever growing quality.
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#105 360_Degrees
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Gamespot review faq: "We compare games based of off same genre same platform" When reviews are taken into consideration THEY DO NOT compare based off of over platforms. The PC itself is one gigantic platform comparing back over the extended period of time with over 165 AAA titles alone. Consoles, however, are split up. Thats why PC scores continually score lower despite their ever growing quality.Vandalvideo

 

So you just admitted PC gaming is dieing? If reviewers continually score them lower, then I guess there won't be much hope for developers on the PC.

And as I said before, reviewers won't mention a game they played 10 years ago on the PC in comparison to a modern day game. Thats ridiculous and a poor way to try and argue that the PC standards are higher. 

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#106 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Gamespot review faq: "We compare games based of off same genre same platform" When reviews are taken into consideration THEY DO NOT compare based off of over platforms. The PC itself is one gigantic platform comparing back over the extended period of time with over 165 AAA titles alone. Consoles, however, are split up. Thats why PC scores continually score lower despite their ever growing quality.360_Degrees

 

So you just admitted PC gaming is dieing? If reviewers continually score them lower, then I guess there won't be much hope for developers on the PC.

And as I said before, reviewers won't mention a game they played 10 years ago on the PC in comparison to a modern day game. Thats ridiculous and a poor way to try and argue that the PC standards are higher. 

How have I admitted their dying? I said "They are continually getting better". Not to mention sales for the past four fiscal terms have been growing considerablly. Theres no indication that PC gaming is dying WHAT SO EVER at this time. And I will repeat, reviewers review based off of SAME PLATFORM. That includes taking into consideration ALL games for that platform. They are obligated to look that far back. Steeper competition = higher standards. Simple.
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#107 beldugo
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can someone post alan awake.. it looks better than this and its coming to 360.
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#108 -The-G-Man-
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Gears of War looks better. majadamus

No.  Just no.

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[QUOTE="real_madrid_99"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="QuinnTheEskimo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="QuinnTheEskimo"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]As to prevent massive quotage: Graphcis are the overall presentation of a game including the lighting affects, character models, textures, etc. If something looks abhorrently unnatural its only natural that one would think it looks fake. (WOO HOO WORD GAMES). If oversized, unrealistic meat heads that look like they've taken a trip to the Blue Oyster bar and were dipped in a vat of vasoline and glitter are your thing, then go for it. Vandalvideo

>The character models look like ass... Just like the rest of the game.

They look pretty surreal, subtle, and picturesque to me.

That guy looks like a pig... Look at those fingers! :lol:...picturesque!

Yup, Stalker looks like one magnificant Salvador Dali work.

wow wow hold up before saying stuff out of your a** obviously you know nothing about art................... everything makes kinda sense right now

I know everything about art. I'm reading the paintings and "Searching for the Fourth Dimension: a la recherche de la quatrieme dimension" looks eerily like Stalker

...............................................................................

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Gamespot review faq: "We compare games based of off same genre same platform" When reviews are taken into consideration THEY DO NOT compare based off of over platforms. The PC itself is one gigantic platform comparing back over the extended period of time with over 165 AAA titles alone. Consoles, however, are split up. Thats why PC scores continually score lower despite their ever growing quality.360_Degrees

So you just admitted PC gaming is dieing? If reviewers continually score them lower, then I guess there won't be much hope for developers on the PC.

And as I said before, reviewers won't mention a game they played 10 years ago on the PC in comparison to a modern day game. Thats ridiculous and a poor way to try and argue that the PC standards are higher.

you have a good point there and i agree 100% with you however most hermits never accept that fact, don't try to start an argument with them unless you have plenty of time
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Gamespot review faq: "We compare games based of off same genre same platform" When reviews are taken into consideration THEY DO NOT compare based off of over platforms. The PC itself is one gigantic platform comparing back over the extended period of time with over 165 AAA titles alone. Consoles, however, are split up. Thats why PC scores continually score lower despite their ever growing quality.360_Degrees

 

So you just admitted PC gaming is dieing? If reviewers continually score them lower, then I guess there won't be much hope for developers on the PC.

And as I said before, reviewers won't mention a game they played 10 years ago on the PC in comparison to a modern day game. Thats ridiculous and a poor way to try and argue that the PC standards are higher. 

What he said is that PC scores are lower because they have generations of games to stack up against.  With consoles, you don't have that.  How did he say PC gaming is dying?  Learn to read.

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ok, I will try to explain what I mean using real Pictures. this is what the abandoned city of Chernobyl looks like....     now when you see these what is the first thing you see? its decay, you see a city that has been abandoned for over 20 years, collapsing in on itself.... look at the walls, the ceilings, or anything else. Its simply deteriorating. Now look at STALKER  obviously it is nowhere near as good....But it is still Damn amazing.... This attention to detail is simply unseen within GEOW, Mass Effect, or anything else you can give me.
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#112 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="real_madrid_99"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="QuinnTheEskimo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="QuinnTheEskimo"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]As to prevent massive quotage: Graphcis are the overall presentation of a game including the lighting affects, character models, textures, etc. If something looks abhorrently unnatural its only natural that one would think it looks fake. (WOO HOO WORD GAMES). If oversized, unrealistic meat heads that look like they've taken a trip to the Blue Oyster bar and were dipped in a vat of vasoline and glitter are your thing, then go for it. real_madrid_99

>The character models look like ass... Just like the rest of the game.

They look pretty surreal, subtle, and picturesque to me.

That guy looks like a pig... Look at those fingers! :lol:...picturesque!

Yup, Stalker looks like one magnificant Salvador Dali work.

wow wow hold up before saying stuff out of your a** obviously you know nothing about art................... everything makes kinda sense right now

I know everything about art. I'm reading the paintings and "Searching for the Fourth Dimension: a la recherche de la quatrieme dimension" looks eerily like Stalker

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........................................... It does.
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[QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).Vandalvideo
If you like your meat. chunks...........I mean people to be plastic and shiney sure. I prefer simplistic, subtle, and photoesque.

 

You know for some one who likes to run around shouting MISCONSEPTION111!!!! all the time,  you sure dont mind lieing/ripping on consoles when its convienient for you.  Face it Gears looks better than this, and the only reason you dont agree is because your a hardcore pc gamer who doesnt like to admit that there is nothing on your platform that looks better than gears atm.................................MISCONception1!!!!!!!! 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).grimhope

If you like your meat. chunks...........I mean people to be plastic and shiney sure. I prefer simplistic, subtle, and photoesque.

 

You know for some one who likes to run around shouting MISCONSEPTION111!!!! all the time,  you sure dont mind lieing/ripping on consoles when its convienient for you.  Face it Gears looks better than this, and the only reason you dont agree is because your a hardcore pc gamer who doesnt like to admit that there is nothing on your platform that looks better than gears atm.................................MISCONception1!!!!!!!! 

:|  I'm a console gamer and I think Stalker looks better than Gears.

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[QUOTE="360_Degrees"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Gamespot review faq: "We compare games based of off same genre same platform" When reviews are taken into consideration THEY DO NOT compare based off of over platforms. The PC itself is one gigantic platform comparing back over the extended period of time with over 165 AAA titles alone. Consoles, however, are split up. Thats why PC scores continually score lower despite their ever growing quality.-The-G-Man-

 

So you just admitted PC gaming is dieing? If reviewers continually score them lower, then I guess there won't be much hope for developers on the PC.

And as I said before, reviewers won't mention a game they played 10 years ago on the PC in comparison to a modern day game. Thats ridiculous and a poor way to try and argue that the PC standards are higher.

What he said is that PC scores are lower because they have generations of games to stack up against. With consoles, you don't have that. How did he say PC gaming is dying? Learn to read.

 

"continually scoring lower", so why would that motivate developers to make games for PC's when not only do they sell worse, but apparently to Vandal they also get harsher reviews. Doesn't sound very practical to me, no wonder why so many developers have made console version counter-parts.

 

And I stand by my words, reviewers don't take older games into consideration. In theory, yes there is a bigger library, but in reality its has barely any impact on the game's review scores and is just a lame hermit excuse.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).grimhope

If you like your meat. chunks...........I mean people to be plastic and shiney sure. I prefer simplistic, subtle, and photoesque.

 

You know for some one who likes to run around shouting MISCONSEPTION111!!!! all the time, you sure dont mind lieing/ripping on consoles when its convienient for you. Face it Gears looks better than this, and the only reason you dont agree is because your a hardcore pc gamer who doesnt like to admit that there is nothing on your platform that looks better than gears atm.................................MISCONception1!!!!!!!!

 

Now if you wanna argue that the game is more fun/ better than Gears........I cant argue with you there. 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).grimhope

If you like your meat. chunks...........I mean people to be plastic and shiney sure. I prefer simplistic, subtle, and photoesque.

 

You know for some one who likes to run around shouting MISCONSEPTION111!!!! all the time,  you sure dont mind lieing/ripping on consoles when its convienient for you.  Face it Gears looks better than this, and the only reason you dont agree is because your a hardcore pc gamer who doesnt like to admit that there is nothing on your platform that looks better than gears atm.................................MISCONception1!!!!!!!! 

So you're saying my opinion/perception of graphics is a misconception? I never knew you could prove other people's misconceptions wrong. No matter what someone tells me, I'd always find mashed potatoes tasty and delcious. Just as I'll always see Gears as extremely plasticy with disproportioned character models and shiney graphics that look like something out of a greasy KFC bag.
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"continually scoring lower", so why would that motivate developers to make games for PC's when not only do they sell worse, but apparently to Vandal they also get harsher reviews. Doesn't sound very practical to me, no wonder why so many developers have made console version counter-parts.

 

And I stand by my words, reviewers don't take older games into consideration. In theory, yes there is a bigger library, but in reality its has barely any impact on the game's review scores and is just a lame hermit excuse.

360_Degrees

Why don't you go ask a reviewer then?

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[QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).dimar19

LOL. GS Review: Graphics = 8. What Gears of War?

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[QUOTE="grimhope"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).Vandalvideo

If you like your meat. chunks...........I mean people to be plastic and shiney sure. I prefer simplistic, subtle, and photoesque.

 

You know for some one who likes to run around shouting MISCONSEPTION111!!!! all the time, you sure dont mind lieing/ripping on consoles when its convienient for you. Face it Gears looks better than this, and the only reason you dont agree is because your a hardcore pc gamer who doesnt like to admit that there is nothing on your platform that looks better than gears atm.................................MISCONception1!!!!!!!!

So you're saying my opinion/perception of graphics is a misconception? I never knew you could prove other people's misconceptions wrong. No matter what someone tells me, I'd always find mashed potatoes tasty and delcious. Just as I'll always see Gears as extremely plasticy with disproportioned character models and shiney graphics that look like something out of a greasy KFC bag.

 

 

Of course if it was exclusivly for the PC im sure you're opinon would change considerably.  And yes you can play two different games and tell which one has better grafix.  If i say that Twilite princess has better grafix than gears it doesnt make me right,  even if i was stupid enough to actually belive it. 

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#121 Vandalvideo
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360: I hate to break it to you, but that isn't a reason that developers are shying away from PC games, not when the vast majority of PC gamers could care less about review scores. Even games like Dark Messiah that was reviewed crap sold well. Look, if you want to prove to me that past games are not taken into account, PROVE IT. Oh thats right, you can't. You're working off of mere gueses and inference. I can, however, say that the review faq CLEARLY STATES they review games based off of all genres on the same platform. There is no exclusion clause ANYWHERE that states they cut off games after a set date. As far as you or I know, they DO include these games in their review scores. Prove they don't.
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Im gonna repost this, since people seem to have missed it.:::

ok, I will try to explain what I mean using real Pictures. this is what the abandoned city of Chernobyl looks like....     now when you see these what is the first thing you see? its decay, you see a city that has been abandoned for over 20 years, collapsing in on itself.... look at the walls, the ceilings, or anything else. Its simply deteriorating. Now look at STALKER  obviously it is nowhere near as good....But it is still Damn amazing.... This attention to detail is simply unseen within GEOW, Mass Effect, or anything else you can give me.

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As to prevent massive quotage: Graphcis are the overall presentation of a game including the lighting affects, character models, textures, etc. If something looks abhorrently unnatural its only natural that one would think it looks fake. (WOO HOO WORD GAMES). If oversized, unrealistic meat heads that look like they've taken a trip to the Blue Oyster bar and were dipped in a vat of vasoline and glitter are your thing, then go for it. Vandalvideo

Dude, give it up.  Gears and Mass Effect just look better.  Every review out there has said something about how the graphics are dated due to releasing Stalker far too late.  It still looks amazing, but it's definately not better looking than Gears.

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#124 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="grimhope"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).grimhope

If you like your meat. chunks...........I mean people to be plastic and shiney sure. I prefer simplistic, subtle, and photoesque.

 

You know for some one who likes to run around shouting MISCONSEPTION111!!!! all the time, you sure dont mind lieing/ripping on consoles when its convienient for you. Face it Gears looks better than this, and the only reason you dont agree is because your a hardcore pc gamer who doesnt like to admit that there is nothing on your platform that looks better than gears atm.................................MISCONception1!!!!!!!!

So you're saying my opinion/perception of graphics is a misconception? I never knew you could prove other people's misconceptions wrong. No matter what someone tells me, I'd always find mashed potatoes tasty and delcious. Just as I'll always see Gears as extremely plasticy with disproportioned character models and shiney graphics that look like something out of a greasy KFC bag.

 

 

Of course if it was exclusivly for the PC im sure you're opinon would change considerably.  And yes you can play two different games and tell which one has better grafix.  If i say that Twilite princess has better grafix than gears it doesnt make me right,  even if i was stupid enough to actually belive it. 

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You can't tell me that one thing looks better than something else. There are no universals outside of the individual mind. You can't prove abstract universals besides your own perceptions of said object. As such, if I say something looks plastic/shiney and is incredibly disproportional, by all accounts I'm right.
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#125 grimhope
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Im gonna repost this, since people seem to have missed it.:::

ok, I will try to explain what I mean using real Pictures. this is what the abandoned city of Chernobyl looks like....     now when you see these what is the first thing you see? its decay, you see a city that has been abandoned for over 20 years, collapsing in on itself.... look at the walls, the ceilings, or anything else. Its simply deteriorating. Now look at STALKER  obviously it is nowhere near as good....But it is still Damn amazing.... This attention to detail is simply unseen within GEOW, Mass Effect, or anything else you can give me.

cobrax25

 

What attention to detail.  I mean its a bathroom!!!!!  Some brown and green tiles and a rotted toilet..  Now im not saying the game isnt amazing or fun to play, considering i havnt played the game yet and i usually dont rip on/praise a game i havnt personally played,  but i think you hermits are reaching a little bit with the whole grafix thing on this game....... 

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I'll slap someone if STALKER isn't nominated for GOTY.
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#127 grimhope
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[QUOTE="grimhope"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="grimhope"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="project343"]Gears of War is more impressive to look at, whilst STALKER is technically more impressive (if that makes any sense).Vandalvideo

If you like your meat. chunks...........I mean people to be plastic and shiney sure. I prefer simplistic, subtle, and photoesque.

 

You know for some one who likes to run around shouting MISCONSEPTION111!!!! all the time, you sure dont mind lieing/ripping on consoles when its convienient for you. Face it Gears looks better than this, and the only reason you dont agree is because your a hardcore pc gamer who doesnt like to admit that there is nothing on your platform that looks better than gears atm.................................MISCONception1!!!!!!!!

So you're saying my opinion/perception of graphics is a misconception? I never knew you could prove other people's misconceptions wrong. No matter what someone tells me, I'd always find mashed potatoes tasty and delcious. Just as I'll always see Gears as extremely plasticy with disproportioned character models and shiney graphics that look like something out of a greasy KFC bag.

 

 

Of course if it was exclusivly for the PC im sure you're opinon would change considerably. And yes you can play two different games and tell which one has better grafix. If i say that Twilite princess has better grafix than gears it doesnt make me right, even if i was stupid enough to actually belive it.

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You can't tell me that one thing looks better than something else. There are no universals outside of the individual mind. You can't prove abstract universals besides your own perceptions of said object. As such, if I say something looks plastic/shiney and is incredibly disproportional, by all accounts I'm right. [/QUOTE

 

Look man all im saying is that i think you're completly biased on the whole gears of war grafix vs any pc game grafix thing.  Of course you are entitled to your opinion.........no matter how wrong it is.... 

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hope: Are you telling me you can prove opinions wrong? I'd love to hear your brilliant invention for doing so. As far as my bias? I have never once said PC > Consoles ever. Not one, ever. I have said, however, that the PC can do anyhting the console can do. By no measure have I ever gone any further than that. Heck, I owned all three next gen consoles at one point and played them all equally. So where, exactly, is my bias?
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#129 machitocaliente
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The 1st screen looks like CoD 2 on 360. But the 2nd screen is okay. Gears of War and MGS4 still look better.princeofshapeir
you are looking at a screen. a fraction of a second. i means nothing. im playing the game. trust me. its pure and unadulterated ownage. there is no pop-in. none, grass? no pop in. trees ? no pop in. buildings? no pop in. and the draw view is unbelievable i have to find this friking stalker in the middle of the nigth, and its raining, weird **** happening all around me, BEST GAME EVAR!!
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#130 grimhope
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hope: Are you telling me you can prove opinions wrong? I'd love to hear your brilliant invention for doing so. As far as my bias? I have never once said PC > Consoles ever. Not one, ever. I have said, however, that the PC can do anyhting the console can do. By no measure have I ever gone any further than that. Heck, I owned all three next gen consoles at one point and played them all equally. So where, exactly, is my bias?Vandalvideo

 

 Whatever man......If you think you arent a pc fanboy than more power to you........I have been reading (mostly,  occasionally posting on these forums) for more than 3 years and i can say for a fact that i have NEVER EVER seen you give any love for any console during that time...Now im sure i havnt seen all of your posts in that time but If you arent a Pc fanboy than i dont know who is....

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#131 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]hope: Are you telling me you can prove opinions wrong? I'd love to hear your brilliant invention for doing so. As far as my bias? I have never once said PC > Consoles ever. Not one, ever. I have said, however, that the PC can do anyhting the console can do. By no measure have I ever gone any further than that. Heck, I owned all three next gen consoles at one point and played them all equally. So where, exactly, is my bias?grimhope

 

 Whatever man......If you think you arent a pc fanboy than more power to you........I have been reading (mostly,  occasionally posting on these forums) for more than 3 years and i can say for a fact that i have NEVER EVER seen you give any love for any console during that time...Now im sure i havnt seen all of your posts in that time but If you arent a Pc fanboy than i dont know who is....

I didn't know objectively portraying facts about a platform made them a fanboy. Dubly noted. You must not have seen my random assorted "I FREAKING LOVE SUIKODEN AND SILENT HILL!" posts. I'm big on jrpgs and fighters.
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#132 grimhope
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]hope: Are you telling me you can prove opinions wrong? I'd love to hear your brilliant invention for doing so. As far as my bias? I have never once said PC > Consoles ever. Not one, ever. I have said, however, that the PC can do anyhting the console can do. By no measure have I ever gone any further than that. Heck, I owned all three next gen consoles at one point and played them all equally. So where, exactly, is my bias?grimhope

 

Whatever man......If you think you arent a pc fanboy than more power to you........I have been reading (mostly, occasionally posting on these forums) for more than 3 years and i can say for a fact that i have NEVER EVER seen you give any love for any console during that time...Now im sure i havnt seen all of your posts in that time but If you arent a Pc fanboy than i dont know who is....

 

I mean you are the first person in a post to defend the PC if there are MISCONCEPTIONS being said about it.  But all these other people who make posts that blaitently lie about the 360,ps3, or wii i never seem to see you there pointing out the misconceptions.  So you will have to excuse me if i believe you to be a little biased when it comes to the pc

 

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#133 machitocaliente
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="360_Degrees"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]^^^^ ATTACK OF THE KILLER CHUNKS OF SHINEY PLASTIC MEAT! Hisssssss.360_Degrees

Yeah, alright, Mass Effect will DESTROY STALKER in graphics. 10/10.

I was always told to stay away from poultry that looked too shiney and crystalized. It isn't healthy for you.

Its not shiny at all. And its not meaty, either.

Look at the character models and environments, unbelievable. Go back to your hole, hermit.

pathetic. you have to play the game first. in the case screens means nothing ( i tough it looked like farcry ) boy i was wrong. just look at one of those screens, from that point you could go on walking forever. its unlike any other game
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#134 grimhope
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[QUOTE="grimhope"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]hope: Are you telling me you can prove opinions wrong? I'd love to hear your brilliant invention for doing so. As far as my bias? I have never once said PC > Consoles ever. Not one, ever. I have said, however, that the PC can do anyhting the console can do. By no measure have I ever gone any further than that. Heck, I owned all three next gen consoles at one point and played them all equally. So where, exactly, is my bias?Vandalvideo

 

Whatever man......If you think you arent a pc fanboy than more power to you........I have been reading (mostly, occasionally posting on these forums) for more than 3 years and i can say for a fact that i have NEVER EVER seen you give any love for any console during that time...Now im sure i havnt seen all of your posts in that time but If you arent a Pc fanboy than i dont know who is....

I didn't know objectively portraying facts about a platform made them a fanboy. Dubly noted. You must not have seen my random assorted "I FREAKING LOVE SUIKODEN AND SILENT HILL!" posts. I'm big on jrpgs and fighters.

 

You see the thing is their facts when YOU say they are though.  Gears is shiney and MEaty is a fact to you.....I on the other hand didnt think the game was remotly shiney and is the grafical technical masterpiece of the last 5 years.......FACT?!?!?! 

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#135 360_Degrees
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360: I hate to break it to you, but that isn't a reason that developers are shying away from PC games, not when the vast majority of PC gamers could care less about review scores. Even games like Dark Messiah that was reviewed crap sold well. Look, if you want to prove to me that past games are not taken into account, PROVE IT. Oh thats right, you can't. You're working off of mere gueses and inference. I can, however, say that the review faq CLEARLY STATES they review games based off of all genres on the same platform. There is no exclusion clause ANYWHERE that states they cut off games after a set date. As far as you or I know, they DO include these games in their review scores. Prove they don't. Vandalvideo


Go read previous PC reviews and see if they take into account previous games.

Also, here are some loop-holes in your theory.

1. PC isn't a console and is irregular when comparing to the other platforms. Instead of having a fine line of when next-gen starts, its foggy and you don't have an exact time-line. So instead of making an educated hypothesis, you completely disreguard it and go onto believe that all games are similiar in each genre no matter how old they date. Pathetic.

 

2. If the review faq says they are in comparison to previously released games on the platform, then why do some PS3 multi-plat games score lower than 360 ones? Case-and-point, Tony Hawk Project 8 - there are no other extreme sports/skateboarding games available on PS3 and it was compared to the 360 version as having frame-rate problems.

That should do it for your standards theory... 

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#136 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="grimhope"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]hope: Are you telling me you can prove opinions wrong? I'd love to hear your brilliant invention for doing so. As far as my bias? I have never once said PC > Consoles ever. Not one, ever. I have said, however, that the PC can do anyhting the console can do. By no measure have I ever gone any further than that. Heck, I owned all three next gen consoles at one point and played them all equally. So where, exactly, is my bias?grimhope

 

Whatever man......If you think you arent a pc fanboy than more power to you........I have been reading (mostly, occasionally posting on these forums) for more than 3 years and i can say for a fact that i have NEVER EVER seen you give any love for any console during that time...Now im sure i havnt seen all of your posts in that time but If you arent a Pc fanboy than i dont know who is....

I didn't know objectively portraying facts about a platform made them a fanboy. Dubly noted. You must not have seen my random assorted "I FREAKING LOVE SUIKODEN AND SILENT HILL!" posts. I'm big on jrpgs and fighters.

 

You see the thing is their facts when YOU say they are though.  Gears is shiney and MEaty is a fact to you.....I on the other hand didnt think the game was remotly shiney and is the grafical technical masterpiece of the last 5 years.......FACT?!?!?! 

I do recall saying that was my opinon that it was shiney. Welcome to the pace.
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#137 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Im gonna repost this, since people seem to have missed it.:::

ok, I will try to explain what I mean using real Pictures. this is what the abandoned city of Chernobyl looks like....     now when you see these what is the first thing you see? its decay, you see a city that has been abandoned for over 20 years, collapsing in on itself.... look at the walls, the ceilings, or anything else. Its simply deteriorating. Now look at STALKER  obviously it is nowhere near as good....But it is still Damn amazing.... This attention to detail is simply unseen within GEOW, Mass Effect, or anything else you can give me.

grimhope

What attention to detail. I mean its a bathroom!!!!! Some brown and green tiles and a rotted toilet.. Now im not saying the game isnt amazing or fun to play, considering i havnt played the game yet and i usually dont rip on/praise a game i havnt personally played, but i think you hermits are reaching a little bit with the whole grafix thing on this game.......

thats not the point, they could have easily made it one single color, and called it a day....but that wouldnt have given it the same feel would it...... It wouldnt stand out, it would be like any normal bathroom you could find in any game..... now look at GEOW.....  sure it looks nice....characters are well outlined and detailed...... But now look at the background...Its all one single color.....Gray...... Despite the fact that GEOW like STALKER, is set in a ruined world...What tells you that the World in GEOW is falling apart.....what is their to signal this........Nothing......Sure there is Ruble here or their, but thats pretty much as far as it goes. But thats not as far as it goes in STALKER...its not only the enviroments, its also the characters....You can see groups of "Stalkers" sitting around a campfire for heat, while singing in Russian, and playing Guitars....
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#138 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]360: I hate to break it to you, but that isn't a reason that developers are shying away from PC games, not when the vast majority of PC gamers could care less about review scores. Even games like Dark Messiah that was reviewed crap sold well. Look, if you want to prove to me that past games are not taken into account, PROVE IT. Oh thats right, you can't. You're working off of mere gueses and inference. I can, however, say that the review faq CLEARLY STATES they review games based off of all genres on the same platform. There is no exclusion clause ANYWHERE that states they cut off games after a set date. As far as you or I know, they DO include these games in their review scores. Prove they don't. 360_Degrees



Go read previous PC reviews and see if they take into account previous games.

Also, here are some loop-holes in your theory.

1. PC isn't a console and is irregular when comparing to the other platforms. Instead of having a fine line of when next-gen starts, its foggy and you don't have an exact time-line. So instead of making an educated hypothesis, you completely disreguard it and go onto believe that all games are similiar in each genre no matter how old they date. Pathetic.

 

2. If the review faq says they are in comparison to previously released games on the platform, then why do some PS3 multi-plat games score lower than 360 ones? Case-and-point, Tony Hawk Project 8 - there are no other extreme sports/skateboarding games available on PS3 and it was compared to the 360 version as having frame-rate problems.

That should do it for your standards theory... 

Why do games on different consoles score less, like multiplats? Well that would have to be perceived standards. Not to mention multiplats are NOT carbon copies of each other. Some may have slightly lower frame rates or less content. I hold to that they said "We compare gamse based on the same genre asme platform". The PC is not divided into different platforms, it is one platform. There isn't anything that would stipulate they don't take into account these previous gamse.
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#139 360_Degrees
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^ Artistic style, dude. And please, go look at screenshots from the train levels and underground levels.
I love how you are argueing for STALKER's artistic values, yet bashing Gears for having a distinct colour tone. Good one, genius.
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#140 hoankiemdinh
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If the thread creator claims such no console game can match that then why did Gears of War get a 10 in graphics? Stalker got an 8. Plus why did so many review say that "Gears of War is the best looking game right now"
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#141 Vandalvideo
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If the thread creator claims such no console game can match that then why did Gears of War get a 10 in graphics? Stalker got an 8. Plus why did so many review say that "Gears of War is the best looking game right now"hoankiemdinh
Standards of the platforms are far different. You can't directly compare raw number scores across platforms. Gamespot doesn't work that awy.
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#142 grimhope
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[QUOTE="grimhope"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="grimhope"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]hope: Are you telling me you can prove opinions wrong? I'd love to hear your brilliant invention for doing so. As far as my bias? I have never once said PC > Consoles ever. Not one, ever. I have said, however, that the PC can do anyhting the console can do. By no measure have I ever gone any further than that. Heck, I owned all three next gen consoles at one point and played them all equally. So where, exactly, is my bias?Vandalvideo

 

Whatever man......If you think you arent a pc fanboy than more power to you........I have been reading (mostly, occasionally posting on these forums) for more than 3 years and i can say for a fact that i have NEVER EVER seen you give any love for any console during that time...Now im sure i havnt seen all of your posts in that time but If you arent a Pc fanboy than i dont know who is....

I didn't know objectively portraying facts about a platform made them a fanboy. Dubly noted. You must not have seen my random assorted "I FREAKING LOVE SUIKODEN AND SILENT HILL!" posts. I'm big on jrpgs and fighters.

 

You see the thing is their facts when YOU say they are though. Gears is shiney and MEaty is a fact to you.....I on the other hand didnt think the game was remotly shiney and is the grafical technical masterpiece of the last 5 years.......FACT?!?!?!

I do recall saying that was my opinon that it was shiney. Welcome to the pace.

 

Well like I said you are intended to your opinion.....and you know what i like you simply because you are pretty well educated when it comes to games and hardware and you usually dont pull random fanboyish statments out of your a**.  So I'll leave it at that.  You can think whatever you want about the whole grafix thing but i must say i firmly disagreee with your opinion... 

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#143 machitocaliente
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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"][QUOTE="majadamus"]Gears of War looks better. real_madrid_99
gears of war scale = stalker bathroom

stalker looks like a 2004 game with ultra-high res textures....................Gears looks better lmao just looks at the characters hand LMAo

ok. stalker is better than Gears of War. GET IT? much better
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#144 grimhope
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[QUOTE="hoankiemdinh"]If the thread creator claims such no console game can match that then why did Gears of War get a 10 in graphics? Stalker got an 8. Plus why did so many review say that "Gears of War is the best looking game right now"Vandalvideo
Standards of the platforms are far different. You can't directly compare raw number scores across platforms.

So 360=10=8 on pc?????  Comon man, this is why i say you are a fanboy.......

 

 

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Why do games on different consoles score less, like multiplats? Well that would have to be perceived standards. Not to mention multiplats are NOT carbon copies of each other. Some may have slightly lower frame rates or less content. I hold to that they said "We compare gamse based on the same genre asme platform". The PC is not divided into different platforms, it is one platform. There isn't anything that would stipulate they don't take into account these previous gamse.Vandalvideo

 

Multi-plats are usually clones of a game. And in my examples, Tony Hawk Project 8 had no other differences. Your really not convincing me with your theory as your reasoning is false behind the lower scored PS3 multi-plats.

Yes, the PC is 1 platform, I agree. Too bad I can't use my PC for over 5 years without an upgrade.

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[QUOTE="hoankiemdinh"]If the thread creator claims such no console game can match that then why did Gears of War get a 10 in graphics? Stalker got an 8. Plus why did so many review say that "Gears of War is the best looking game right now"Vandalvideo
Standards of the platforms are far different. You can't directly compare raw number scores across platforms. Gamespot doesn't work that awy.

-When Critics say it "The best looking game out NOW"..they mean all GAMEs. Even including PC games. Get Owned.

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#147 Vandalvideo
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Hope: I don't recall saying anything about their relative meaning. I merely said that you can't directly compare scores cross platform because of how gamespot reviews games.
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No one expected S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s graphics to be that great since the environment was so huge but they still have a lot of detail. From a technical standpoint Gears of War has better graphics, same with Ranbow Six Vegas, out of fact you can't deny that, but if it is your opinion that Stalker has better graphics that's fine. Stalker's graphics look great though.
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#149 cobrax25
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^ Artistic style, dude. And please, go look at screenshots from the train levels and underground levels.
I love how you are argueing for STALKER's artistic values, yet bashing Gears for having a distinct colour tone. Good one, genius.
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Really so show me these Train Levels and Underground levels that are so bland....go ahead...... Its not just one picture you have to look at....Its the whole game...... what other game lets you sit around drinking Vodka, while listing to members of your faction play music, and talk to each other.....none..... http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/stalker/video_player.html?id=IXw6xmSo5bkFuzHb
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#150 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Why do games on different consoles score less, like multiplats? Well that would have to be perceived standards. Not to mention multiplats are NOT carbon copies of each other. Some may have slightly lower frame rates or less content. I hold to that they said "We compare gamse based on the same genre asme platform". The PC is not divided into different platforms, it is one platform. There isn't anything that would stipulate they don't take into account these previous gamse.360_Degrees

 

Multi-plats are usually clones of a game. And in my examples, Tony Hawk Project 8 had no other differences. Your really not convincing me with your theory as your reasoning is false behind the lower scored PS3 multi-plats.

Yes, the PC is 1 platform, I agree. Too bad I can't use my PC for over 5 years without an upgrade.

So if I were to put in NBA 07 for the PS3 and 360 they'd totally be the exact asme, and there would be no divergence what so ever? Thats funny, i do recall the review saying that there was certain issues with one version of the game. But I digress, multiplats are not perfect, sometimes frame rate issues and added bonuses add extra depth to them. Is COD3 for the Wii the same as COD3 for the 360?