Since a lot of people don't own an Xbox 360, 360/PC shared games can be called..

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It makes sense to me. You guys get the "console exclusive" title and we can call it "PC exclusive". It would end a lot of pointless arguments about exclusivity.
Fusible

Plain and simple. Console gamers don't recongnize PC gamers. PC gamers wants a little respect. It's like the Gieco Caveman commercials.shungokustasu

[QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Scroll up buff. How does that ilnk prove that Microsoft's original statement of 200million with gaming PCs is wrong? It just shows that games bought aren't proportional to systems owned. Now, disprove Microsoft. GO ahead, I'm waiting.Vandalvideo

Dude, Microsoft was referring to PC's actively used to play games - games like Solitaire included, not PC's with the "ability to play games." More than 200 million own PC's - and all of them have the ability to play a "game" so that 200 million estimate doesn't hold water using your logic. However, currently around 200 million PC's currently have "games" on them - this includes programs like Solitaire that come packed-in to the vast majority of the last decade's worth of PC sales. Hence the "200 million own gaming PC's."

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It makes sense to me. You guys get the "console exclusive" title and we can call it "PC exclusive". It would end a lot of pointless arguments about exclusivity.
Fusible

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Plain and simple. Console gamers don't recongnize PC gamers. PC gamers wants a little respect. It's like the Gieco Caveman commercials.wmc540

[QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It makes sense to me. You guys get the "console exclusive" title and we can call it "PC exclusive". It would end a lot of pointless arguments about exclusivity.
Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Scroll up buff. How does that ilnk prove that Microsoft's original statement of 200million with gaming PCs is wrong? It just shows that games bought aren't proportional to systems owned. Now, disprove Microsoft. GO ahead, I'm waiting.Spartan070

Dude, Microsoft was referring to PC's actively used to play games - games like Solitaire included, not PC's with the "ability to play games." More than 200 million own PC's - and all of them have the ability to play a "game" so that 200 million estimate doesn't hold water using your logic. However, currently around 200 million PC's currently have "games" on them - this includes programs like Solitaire that come packed-in to the vast majority of the last decade's worth of PC sales. Hence the "200 million own gaming PC's."

Plain and simple. Console gamers don't recongnize PC gamers. PC gamers wants a little respect. It's like the Gieco Caveman commercials.shungokustasu

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It makes sense to me. You guys get the "console exclusive" title and we can call it "PC exclusive". It would end a lot of pointless arguments about exclusivity.
Spartan070

The PC/Xbox360 game's exclusivity should not even be in question to begin with. If the game is the same(other then controls, it would be silly to call Call of Duty 3 on the Xbox an exclusive title because the PS3 has a different controller) on the other platform then why should you call it an exclusive title?smokeydabear076

Well I think that's a really bad analogy because the PS3 is still a gaming console, and in direct competition with the Xbox 360. The PC market is not in direct competition with the console market, at least not where I stand. In System Wars, to abide by the "rules" I consider the PC to be in direct competition with consoles, but outside this place, I consider the PC to be a completely seperate entity from consoles. So yes, outside of SW, I do consider games that are on the PC and 360 to be exclusive to the 360, as far as consoles go. I also consider games that are developed solely for WIndows to be PC exclusive but since there are very few games released on the Mac and PC, this is rarely an issue.

I will consider a game on the PC/360 to be a non exclusive for the 360 in System Wars, since that is the established rule here, but outside of this place, I consider it to be console exclusive.

[QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Scroll up buff. How does that ilnk prove that Microsoft's original statement of 200million with gaming PCs is wrong? It just shows that games bought aren't proportional to systems owned. Now, disprove Microsoft. GO ahead, I'm waiting.Vandalvideo

Dude, Microsoft was referring to PC's actively used to play games - games like Solitaire included, not PC's with the "ability to play games." More than 200 million own PC's - and all of them have the ability to play a "game" so that 200 million estimate doesn't hold water using your logic. However, currently around 200 million PC's currently have "games" on them - this includes programs like Solitaire that come packed-in to the vast majority of the last decade's worth of PC sales. Hence the "200 million own gaming PC's."

Hahaha.

Here are some facts:

670 million own PC's today (http://news.cnet.com/A+billion+PC+users+on+the+way/2100-1003_3-5290988.html . Keep in mind that link is two years old, so the current number is probably around 800 mill.) All of them have the abolity ot play a "game." However, not all of them have or are used to play games, this is why they are not included in the estimate. The "ability to play a game" does not qualify a PC as a gaming PC or else the entire number would've been included in the "Gaming PC" estimate.

Around 200 million own PC's that have one or more games within them - even simple pack-in games like Solitaire are included (as stated in the link I gave you on page 2.)

Microsoft claimed that 200 million "owned" gaming PC's - meaning PC's that either have games or are used to play games (once again, Solitaire included as Microsoft has always included this under tha gaming umbrella.) However, the vast majority of these "PC Gamers" have no impact on the retail PC gaming market - as reflected in the unit sales of retail PC games (Sims, Half Life, WOW, etc.) They merely play simple "games" like Minesweeper, Solitaire, etc. and nothing else.

Those are the facts - draw whatever conclusions you like, although I'm am 100% right, and you seem to be confused.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Plain and simple. Console gamers don't recongnize PC gamers. PC gamers wants a little respect. It's like the Gieco Caveman commercials.smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Scroll up buff. How does that ilnk prove that Microsoft's original statement of 200million with gaming PCs is wrong? It just shows that games bought aren't proportional to systems owned. Now, disprove Microsoft. GO ahead, I'm waiting.Buff-McBlumpkin

Dude, Microsoft was referring to PC's actively used to play games - games like Solitaire included, not PC's with the "ability to play games." More than 200 million own PC's - and all of them have the ability to play a "game" so that 200 million estimate doesn't hold water using your logic. However, currently around 200 million PC's currently have "games" on them - this includes programs like Solitaire that come packed-in to the vast majority of the last decade's worth of PC sales. Hence the "200 million own gaming PC's."

Hahaha.

Here are some facts:

670 million own PC's today (http://news.cnet.com/A+billion+PC+users+on+the+way/2100-1003_3-5290988.html . Keep in mind that link is two years old, so the current number is probably around 800 mill.) All of them have the abolity ot play a "game." However, not all of them have or are used to play games, this is why they are not included in the estimate. The "ability to play a game" does not qualify a PC as a gaming PC or else the entire number would've been included in the "Gaming PC" estimate.

Around 200 million own PC's that have one or more games within them - even simple pack-in games like Solitaire are included (as stated in the link I gave you on page 2.)

Microsoft claimed that 200 million "owned" gaming PC's - meaning PC's that either have games or are used to play games (once again, Solitaire included as Microsoft has always included this under tha gaming umbrella.) However, the vast majority of these "PC Gamers" have no impact on the retail PC gaming market - as reflected in the unit sales of retail PC games (Sims, Half Life, WOW, etc.) They merely play simple "games" like Minesweeper, Solitaire, etc. and nothing else.

Those are the facts - draw whatever conclusions you like, although I'm am 100% right, and you seem to be confused.

[QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Scroll up buff. How does that ilnk prove that Microsoft's original statement of 200million with gaming PCs is wrong? It just shows that games bought aren't proportional to systems owned. Now, disprove Microsoft. GO ahead, I'm waiting.Vandalvideo

Dude, Microsoft was referring to PC's actively used to play games - games like Solitaire included, not PC's with the "ability to play games." More than 200 million own PC's - and all of them have the ability to play a "game" so that 200 million estimate doesn't hold water using your logic. However, currently around 200 million PC's currently have "games" on them - this includes programs like Solitaire that come packed-in to the vast majority of the last decade's worth of PC sales. Hence the "200 million own gaming PC's."

Hahaha.

Here are some facts:

670 million own PC's today (http://news.cnet.com/A+billion+PC+users+on+the+way/2100-1003_3-5290988.html . Keep in mind that link is two years old, so the current number is probably around 800 mill.) All of them have the abolity ot play a "game." However, not all of them have or are used to play games, this is why they are not included in the estimate. The "ability to play a game" does not qualify a PC as a gaming PC or else the entire number would've been included in the "Gaming PC" estimate.

Around 200 million own PC's that have one or more games within them - even simple pack-in games like Solitaire are included (as stated in the link I gave you on page 2.)

Microsoft claimed that 200 million "owned" gaming PC's - meaning PC's that either have games or are used to play games (once again, Solitaire included as Microsoft has always included this under tha gaming umbrella.) However, the vast majority of these "PC Gamers" have no impact on the retail PC gaming market - as reflected in the unit sales of retail PC games (Sims, Half Life, WOW, etc.) They merely play simple "games" like Minesweeper, Solitaire, etc. and nothing else.

Those are the facts - draw whatever conclusions you like, although I'm am 100% right, and you seem to be confused.

Not true. That's not at all what I'm implying, and I haven't implied that at any point either - I have only said that those that play games like Solitaire are included in that 200 million estimate. Obviously the majority of those do not buy retail PC games otherwise the number of PC game software units sold would be astronomical and would greatly eclipse console sales. Since this isn't the case the only possible conclusion you can draw is that most who play "games" (Solitaire included) are in fact not buying retail PC game software despite the fact that they're considered to be "playing games." Obviously "hardcore" PC gamers are included in that number as well (like the members of this forum who play PC games) but occupy a minority of that 200 million estimate.

Any sensible person can see that you're not making very much sense here.

I'm going back to work now.

PS: Not every computer comes with Solitaire - in fact a majority don't (like those PC's sold in developing countries.)

Any sensible person can see that you're not making very much sense here.

I'm going back to work now.

Buff-McBlumpkin

[QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

Any sensible person can see that you're not making very much sense here.

I'm going back to work now.

Vandalvideo

IF YOU INCLUDE GAMES LIKE SOLITAIRE. How can you not get this?

If 200 million actively used PC's to play retail game software than PC game sales would be enormous - much more than console sales. That's not the case though.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

Any sensible person can see that you're not making very much sense here.

I'm going back to work now.

Buff-McBlumpkin

IF YOU INCLUDE GAMES LIKE SOLITAIRE. How can you not get this?

If 200 million actively used PC's to play retail game software than PC game sales would be enormous - much more than console sales. That's not the case though.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Look, I'll repeat. YOU CAN NOT DISPROVE PROVE THAT these 200 million are gaming PCs int he full sense of the word. Jandurin

Exactly, that's what I've been saying - those are considered to be gaming PC's by companies like Microsoft - hence the 200 million estimate. However, most playing those games have no impact on the retail PC game software market. How do I know - by looking at the sales numbers for PC games. It's clear most of them are not buying retail PC games. End of story.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Look, I'll repeat. YOU CAN NOT DISPROVE PROVE THAT these 200 million are gaming PCs int he full sense of the word. Buff-McBlumpkin

Exactly, that's what I've been saying - those are considered to be gaming PC's by companies like Microsoft - hence the 200 million estimate. However, most playing those games have no impact on the retail PC game software market. How do I know - by looking at the sales numbers for PC games. It's clear most of them are not buying retail PC games. End of story.

But by no means does that disprove that there are 200millino out there with gaming machines. AT ALLVandalvideo

No I'm not. Microsoft made that claim. I'm saying, "Disprove them".Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It makes sense to me. You guys get the "console exclusive" title and we can call it "PC exclusive". It would end a lot of pointless arguments about exclusivity.
Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]No I'm not. Microsoft made that claim. I'm saying, "Disprove them".cakeorrdeath

Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
reticulate

[QUOTE="Buff-McBlumpkin"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Look, I'll repeat. YOU CAN NOT DISPROVE PROVE THAT these 200 million are gaming PCs int he full sense of the word. Vandalvideo

Exactly, that's what I've been saying - those are considered to be gaming PC's by companies like Microsoft - hence the 200 million estimate. However, most playing those games have no impact on the retail PC game software market. How do I know - by looking at the sales numbers for PC games. It's clear most of them are not buying retail PC games. End of story.

Jesus Christ.

This has to be one of, if not the dumbest argument(s) I've ever been involved in.

The fact that you can't cobble together the simplest logic doesn't bode well for you. Maybe you should go back and re-read my posts, everything I've said has been 100% factual, and all you've said amounts to "prove it." I'm not attacking your platform of choice either, I don't think you realize this.

I'm going back to work now, have fun.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It makes sense to me. You guys get the "console exclusive" title and we can call it "PC exclusive". It would end a lot of pointless arguments about exclusivity.
Fusible

[QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
Jandurin

So a random person can say "There are not 200 million", and fo all intents and purposes not be refuted? Thats garbage. If yuo make a statement like that you best be ready to prove it.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
shungokustasu

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]No I'm not. Microsoft made that claim. I'm saying, "Disprove them".Vandalvideo

I'm not saying there isn't 200 million, I'm saying I don't consider a person who plays a game like Solitaire, and only that game, to be a "PC Gamer" in the context of this forum. Why? BECUASE THEY DON'T BUY RETAIL PC GAMES OR PC GAMING HARDWARE UPGRADES (as evidenced by sales numbers.) Solitaire and Minesweeper don't contribute to the retail PC gaming software market.

If you include games like Solitaire - yes, there are 200 million+ "gaming" PC's.

That's what I've been saying all along.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]The PC/Xbox360 game's exclusivity should not even be in question to begin with. If the game is the same(other then controls, it would be silly to call Call of Duty 3 on the Xbox an exclusive title because the PS3 has a different controller) on the other platform then why should you call it an exclusive title?The_Game21x

Well I think that's a really bad analogy because the PS3 is still a gaming console, and in direct competition with the Xbox 360. The PC market is not in direct competition with the console market, at least not where I stand. In System Wars, to abide by the "rules" I consider the PC to be in direct competition with consoles, but outside this place, I consider the PC to be a completely seperate entity from consoles. So yes, outside of SW, I do consider games that are on the PC and 360 to be exclusive to the 360, as far as consoles go. I also consider games that are developed solely for WIndows to be PC exclusive but since there are very few games released on the Mac and PC, this is rarely an issue.

I will consider a game on the PC/360 to be a non exclusive for the 360 in System Wars, since that is the established rule here, but outside of this place, I consider it to be console exclusive.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
shungokustasu

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]No I'm not. Microsoft made that claim. I'm saying, "Disprove them".Buff-McBlumpkin

I'm not saying there isn't 200 million, I'm saying I don't consider a person who plays a game like Solitaire, and only that game, to be a "PC Gamer" in the context of this forum. Why? BECUASE THEY DON'T BUY RETAIL PC GAMES OR PC GAMING HARDWARE UPGRADES (as evidenced by sales numbers.) Solitaire and Minesweeper don't contribute to the retail PC gaming software market.

If you include games like Solitaire - yes, there are 200 million+ "gaming" PC's.

That's what I've been saying all along.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
Jandurin