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#101 reticulate

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[QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
Jandurin

Sure, but it's as much a gaming machine as any other. If it's the same game, why shouldn't it be considered as multiplatform when also on the PC? Bioshock will be the same, you know, on both.

I'm not denying that. Yes, you play games on PC, and yes, some of the ports will play the same. But that's not the point.

The point is that exclusivity marketing is designed to sell consoles.

It's just marketing. You get good exclusives to get over the other guy, and you sell more consoles. The concept has no meaning on the PC.

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#102 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

But standardized PCs can be the same as a console for all intents and purposes. You can purchase a PC that is a console.

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#103 Buff-McBlumpkin

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]No I'm not. Microsoft made that claim. I'm saying, "Disprove them".Vandalvideo

The the burden of proof is on them. It is still not up to people go and find information to refute their claims.

So a random person can say "There are not 200 million", and fo all intents and purposes not be refuted? Thats garbage. If yuo make a statement like that you best be ready to prove it.

I'm not saying there isn't 200 million, I'm saying I don't consider a person who plays a game like Solitaire, and only that game, to be a "PC Gamer" in the context of this forum. Why? BECUASE THEY DON'T BUY RETAIL PC GAMES OR PC GAMING HARDWARE UPGRADES (as evidenced by sales numbers.) Solitaire and Minesweeper don't contribute to the retail PC gaming software market.

If you include games like Solitaire - yes, there are 200 million+ "gaming" PC's.

That's what I've been saying all along.

Yes.........but now prove that those included as solitaire owners don't actually own full fledged gaming machines that are just used for solitaire.

Jesus Christ..... absurd.

I'm out.

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#104 deactivated-5e836a855beb2

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

So the DS and the PSP aren't comparable?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

But standardized PCs can be the same as a console for all intents and purposes. You can purchase a PC that is a console.

But not a console that is a pc...? And who would purchase a PC to be a console?

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#106 deactivated-5e836a855beb2

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
reticulate

Sure, but it's as much a gaming machine as any other. If it's the same game, why shouldn't it be considered as multiplatform when also on the PC? Bioshock will be the same, you know, on both.

I'm not denying that. Yes, you play games on PC, and yes, some of the ports will play the same. But that's not the point.

The point is that exclusivity marketing is designed to sell consoles.

It's just marketing. You get good exclusives to get over the other guy, and you sell more consoles. The concept has no meaning on the PC.

We aren't marketing, we're playing the game of System Wars! Not console wars.

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#107 shungokustasu

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

But standardized PCs can be the same as a console for all intents and purposes. You can purchase a PC that is a console.

The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?

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#108 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

But standardized PCs can be the same as a console for all intents and purposes. You can purchase a PC that is a console.

But not a console that is a pc...? And who would purchase a PC to be a console?

People who love the console experience? Most of the reasons I hear console fanboys saying "ZOMG PC IS TEH BAD" is because of PC misconceptions. The PC can be everything the console can be.

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[QUOTE="reticulate"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
Jandurin

Sure, but it's as much a gaming machine as any other. If it's the same game, why shouldn't it be considered as multiplatform when also on the PC? Bioshock will be the same, you know, on both.

I'm not denying that. Yes, you play games on PC, and yes, some of the ports will play the same. But that's not the point.

The point is that exclusivity marketing is designed to sell consoles.

It's just marketing. You get good exclusives to get over the other guy, and you sell more consoles. The concept has no meaning on the PC.

We aren't marketing, we're playing the game of System Wars! Not console wars.

But the game of system wars requires all the ammunition you got.

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#110 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

But standardized PCs can be the same as a console for all intents and purposes. You can purchase a PC that is a console.

The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?

You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

But standardized PCs can be the same as a console for all intents and purposes. You can purchase a PC that is a console.

But not a console that is a pc...? And who would purchase a PC to be a console?

People who love the console experience? Most of the reasons I hear console fanboys saying "ZOMG PC IS TEH BAD" is because of PC misconceptions. The PC can be everything the console can be.

Splitscreen multiplayer?

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#112 Vandalvideo

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^^^ PC has splitscreen multiplayer. Try PES, Serious Sam, Halo, or any modded game.

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#113 deactivated-5e836a855beb2

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"] The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?

Oh... because it changes more often. Still, whatever. The same games come out on consoles and PCs more and more. Shoot, Spore is going to the DS. I dunno, Arcade game technically destroy exclusivity, I've heard. I think it's just similar games, and that's it. Whatever the standards, if it's the same game on two systems, it isn't exclusive. Regardless of the system.

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#114 Cicatraz_ESP

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
wmc540

Sure, but it's as much a gaming machine as any other. If it's the same game, why shouldn't it be considered as multiplatform when also on the PC? Bioshock will be the same, you know, on both.

I'm not denying that. Yes, you play games on PC, and yes, some of the ports will play the same. But that's not the point.

The point is that exclusivity marketing is designed to sell consoles.

It's just marketing. You get good exclusives to get over the other guy, and you sell more consoles. The concept has no meaning on the PC.

We aren't marketing, we're playing the game of System Wars! Not console wars.

But the game of system wars requires all the ammunition you got.

Hahahahaha. This is funny.

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#115 shungokustasu

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Explain.

We can't compar PC with consoles. The standards are different. Because they do the same thing, don't make them the same. It's like comparing a Nascar to a Kia.

So the DS and the PSP aren't comparable?

I honestly I think there not. It's another misconception gamers have too.

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#116 cakeorrdeath

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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?Vandalvideo

You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

You are seriosuly trying to say that you can buy a PC that will have a seven year life span (like the PS2) without any upgrades?

New titles would simply not run. And even after only a few years the titles would no longer be optimal for the system.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?cakeorrdeath

You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

You are seriosuly trying to say that you can buy a PC that will have a seven year life span (like the PS2) without any upgrades?

New titles would simply not run. And even after only a few years the titles would no longer be optimal for the system.

He has a miracle self healing pc.

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[QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]It makes sense to me. You guys get the "console exclusive" title and we can call it "PC exclusive". It would end a lot of pointless arguments about exclusivity.
Vandalvideo

I agree. Since console, and pc are 2 different things. I think it should.

You could buy a PC thats exactly like a console in every single facet for the same price. Just thworing that out there.

Like you said "like", but it's not.

How is it not? It does everything a console does. For all intents and purposes it is a console.

So shall we change it then, since every publication takes a different approach on how they label there games. PC game console= PC gaming machine, Video Game Console= Console. But the problem is PC's aren't just for games. That is why everybody makes this distinction between both. PC gaming is PC gaming, and Console gaming is Console gaming. Nobody is going to change those distinctions, just for the sake of your argument.

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#119 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?cakeorrdeath

You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

You are seriosuly trying to say that you can buy a PC that will have a seven year life span (like the PS2) without any upgrades?

New titles would simply not run. And even after only a few years the titles would no longer be optimal for the system.

New titles WILL run. Its called console variations. I could conceivably program a game like Crysis to run on a TI 4 and look similar to other games on that card. Now before you go saying "It takes know how", let me address that by saying there are many automated tweak programs you can actually purchase that scale down the games for you for these systems.

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#120 reticulate

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[QUOTE="reticulate"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="reticulate"]Exclusivity is a console concept.

The PC isn't a console.
Jandurin

Sure, but it's as much a gaming machine as any other. If it's the same game, why shouldn't it be considered as multiplatform when also on the PC? Bioshock will be the same, you know, on both.

I'm not denying that. Yes, you play games on PC, and yes, some of the ports will play the same. But that's not the point.

The point is that exclusivity marketing is designed to sell consoles.

It's just marketing. You get good exclusives to get over the other guy, and you sell more consoles. The concept has no meaning on the PC.

We aren't marketing, we're playing the game of System Wars! Not console wars.

Of course, the rules of System Wars do not in any way actually represent reality.

Let's agree to disagree. This argument could go on pretty much forever.

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#121 Cicatraz_ESP

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

Vandalvideo.....come on now dude.....

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#123 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Cicatraz_ESP"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

Vandalvideo.....come on now dude.....

Dead serious here.

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#124 reticulate

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[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?Vandalvideo

You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

You are seriosuly trying to say that you can buy a PC that will have a seven year life span (like the PS2) without any upgrades?

New titles would simply not run. And even after only a few years the titles would no longer be optimal for the system.

New titles WILL run. Its called console variations. I could conceivably program a game like Crysis to run on a TI 4 and look similar to other games on that card. Now before you go saying "It takes know how", let me address that by saying there are many automated tweak programs you can actually purchase that scale down the games for you for these systems.

Bad example. Crysis needs SM3.0 minimum, if I'm not mistaken.

A 4xTi wouldn't have the raw fillrate to do Crysis anyway.

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#125 deactivated-5e836a855beb2

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[QUOTE="wmc540"] He has a miracle self healing pc.

Like Christine! Teh horror.

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#126 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?reticulate

You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

You are seriosuly trying to say that you can buy a PC that will have a seven year life span (like the PS2) without any upgrades?

New titles would simply not run. And even after only a few years the titles would no longer be optimal for the system.

New titles WILL run. Its called console variations. I could conceivably program a game like Crysis to run on a TI 4 and look similar to other games on that card. Now before you go saying "It takes know how", let me address that by saying there are many automated tweak programs you can actually purchase that scale down the games for you for these systems.

Bad example. Crysis needs SM3.0 minimum, if I'm not mistaken.

A 4xTi wouldn't have the raw fillrate to do Crysis anyway.

I'll repeat, console variations allow to scale down the game past that. It may not look ilke Crysis anymore, btu you CAN run it on a TI 4.

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#127 shungokustasu

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Of course, the rules of System Wars do not in any way actually represent reality.

Let's agree to disagree. This argument could go on pretty much forever.
reticulate

It's time to change these rules. No one see PC as part of SW. "A flamingo amongst Cranes".

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#128 Cicatraz_ESP

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cicatraz_ESP"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

Vandalvideo.....come on now dude.....

Dead serious here.

Okay well good luck man he's got a pretty good point going there...

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#130 deactivated-5e836a855beb2

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Who wants to run a crappy looking Crysis on dated hardware? You know you would upgrade if you wanted to play it in all it's glory.

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Casey still has a point. If only 12 million people own a 360 - and MS's own figures count 200 million gaming capable PC's - then it would make a whole lot more sense to call 360/PC games as PC exclusive.

Right...?

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#132 cakeorrdeath

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[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]The standards of a PC changes every 6 months. console is every 5-7 years. See the big difference?Vandalvideo

You don't have to upgrade a PC. You can have a standardized PC that runs all new games fine that will conceivablly look better than consoles for that rentire generation if the hardware is innately better.

You are seriosuly trying to say that you can buy a PC that will have a seven year life span (like the PS2) without any upgrades?

New titles would simply not run. And even after only a few years the titles would no longer be optimal for the system.

New titles WILL run. Its called console variations. I could conceivably program a game like Crysis to run on a TI 4 and look similar to other games on that card. Now before you go saying "It takes know how", let me address that by saying there are many automated tweak programs you can actually purchase that scale down the games for you for these systems.

Wow that guy who bought his system to be exactly like a games console has moved on a bit hasn't he!

Play game on PS2:

Step 1: Stick disk in tray
Step 2: Play

Play game on PC:
Step 1: Install Game
Step 2: Research to find automated tweek program
Step 3: Download Program
Step 4: Install program
Step 5: Run Program
Step 6: Play completely unoptimised game!

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[QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"].
You could buy a PC thats exactly like a console in every single facet for the same price. Just thworing that out there.Vandalvideo

Like you said "like", but it's not.

How is it not? It does everything a console does. For all intents and purposes it is a console.

So shall we change it then, since every publication takes a different approach on how they label there games. PC game console= PC gaming machine, Video Game Console= Console. But the problem is PC's aren't just for games. That is why everybody makes this distinction between both. PC gaming is PC gaming, and Console gaming is Console gaming. Nobody is going to change those distinctions, just for the sake of your argument.

Thats fine, but you can purchase a PC that is the same as a cosnole irregardless. For all intents and purposes it is a console.

But the question here is since consoles come with set of hardware that is permanent, it is called a console. And PC come in a variety combinations of hardware installed. That is why there is a distinction made between both. Now the question is should it, or should it not be called console exclusive, if it's on both the PC, or just one of the other consoles. It's really a simple question.

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#135 Vandalvideo

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Cake: Actually, Vista that comes with most of these standardized PCs allows you to stream the game from the disc, skipping installations, these tweak programs come with them, and most of these games get optimized ahead oftime. -_-

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Prove to me that Santa doesn't exist!

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#137 Vandalvideo

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Fusible: Thats the thing, there are standardized PCs like the EVO that come with all the same hardware. -_-

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Wow that guy who bought his system to be exactly like a games console has moved on a bit hasn't he!cakeorrdeath

Heh, you made the point I was about to make.

So a PC can do anything a console can do, providing you have the time to do it. But as one of the main attractions of a console is its simplicity, then a PC really can't do anything a console does.

No doubt Vandelvideo will break down my post and scrutinize it to the most literal extent, but I'm sure most people understand what I'm getting it.

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But the question here is since consoles come with set of hardware that is permanent, it is called a console. And PC come in a variety combinations of hardware installed. That is why there is a distinction made between both. Now the question is should it, or should it not be called console exclusive, if it's on both the PC, or just one of the other consoles. It's really a simple question.Fusible

Considering you can replace the hard drive of both the PS3 not making it a "set of hardware that is permanent" does that not fall outside of your definition of "console"? But you are counting it as a console.... why? Is it because its only partly upgradeable. So what determines whether a system's games are exclusive or not....is based on how upgradeable the hard is.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? The hardware determines the exclusibility of the software it has.

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#141 JeffGenocideX

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Exclusive to X360 & PC. Get over it. Thats the way it is.

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#143 shungokustasu

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Exclusive to X360 & PC. Get over it. Thats the way it is.JeffGenocideX

Does double posting makes it true?

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#144 reticulate

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[QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]Exclusive to X360 & PC. Get over it. Thats the way it is.shungokustasu

Does double posting makes it true?

Forums are playing up, I think.

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Exclusive to X360 & PC. Get over it. Thats the way it is.JeffGenocideX

Thats what we call "multiplat." A game on the PS3 and 360 (because the wii cant handle it) might be "exclusive to the 360 and PS3"....but it doesnt stop it form being multiplat.

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Fusible: Thats the thing, there are standardized PCs like the EVO that come with all the same hardware. -_-Vandalvideo

OK. But who in the majority has one. Not many. But the question still hasn't been answered. Should it...or should not be called exclusive? Thats all I want to hear you say. YES or NO.

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#147 cakeorrdeath

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Exclusive to X360 & PC. Get over it. Thats the way it is.JeffGenocideX

The conversation seems to have moved way on from that.

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#148 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Fusible: Thats the thing, there are standardized PCs like the EVO that come with all the same hardware. -_-Fusible

OK. But who in the majority has one. Not many. But the question still hasn't been answered. Should it...or should not be called exclusive? Thats all I want to hear you say. YES or NO.

I haven't even touched the main topic at hand. Oh and just because the majority doesn't have one doesn't mean they don't exist.

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#149 JeffGenocideX

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[QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]Exclusive to X360 & PC. Get over it. Thats the way it is.XaosII

Thats what we call "multiplat." A game on the PS3 and 360 (because the wii cant handle it) might be "exclusive to the 360 and PS3"....but it doesnt stop it form being multiplat.

Multiplat on a MS platform ;)

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#150 shungokustasu

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[QUOTE="Fusible"] But the question here is since consoles come with set of hardware that is permanent, it is called a console. And PC come in a variety combinations of hardware installed. That is why there is a distinction made between both. Now the question is should it, or should it not be called console exclusive, if it's on both the PC, or just one of the other consoles. It's really a simple question.XaosII

Considering you can replace the hard drive of both the PS3 not making it a "set of hardware that is permanent" does that not fall outside of your definition of "console"? But you are counting it as a console.... why? Is it because its only partly upgradeable. So what determines whether a system's games are exclusive or not....is based on how upgradeable the hard is.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? The hardware determines the exclusibility of the software it has.

Very bad with the console is not a console because you can upgrade to hard rive. A console is a console because I don't have to reconfigure it every six months to make games look the best it can be.

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