Skyrim wins Best RPG/Gamespot's Game of the Year 2011

Yes, quite groundbreaking. Unlike Skyrim. :roll:

SovietsUnited

Woo my sig prediction was correct! I have had this sig since before any screenshots had even become available for this game!

wow no dubious honors this year?lightleggy

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]wow no dubious honors this year?parkurtommo

Dark souls

After all that talk skyrim wins haha.

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]Yes, quite groundbreaking. Unlike Skyrim. :roll:

DarkLink77

i just came back from ign, ng4, and like 7 other forums and they are all LOL'ing at GS picking Portal 2 for best ps3 game.

i dont know folks, i think my time here is coming to an end.

if it was April's then i would understand the idea behind it but this is just straight out of Twilight Zone, lol.

ZoomZoom2490

Imagine if lems would take GOTY awards as seriously as you do? They would have abandoned this place back in 2008 :P

i just came back from ign, ng4, and like 7 other forums and they are all LOL'ing at GS picking Portal 2 for best ps3 game.

i dont know folks, i think my time here is coming to an end.

if it was April's then i would understand the idea behind it but this is just straight out of Twilight Zone, lol.

ZoomZoom2490

Portal 2 is a great game. What is better on the PS3?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]Yes, quite groundbreaking. Unlike Skyrim. :roll:

SovietsUnited

What is excellent about Skyrim?

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archerty=Bugged, and only bows
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.
• Story and writing are incredibly bad.
• The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me.
• Difficulty? There is none, thank level scaling for that.
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring.
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. Did they learn nothing from Oblivion.
• How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me. Making them unlimited was just...
• Balance is completely lacking as well.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Didn't say groundbreaking. I said "excellent." Reading is apparently really hard. :roll:

Maroxad

What is excellent about Skyrim?

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archerty=Bugged, and only bows
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.
• Story and writing are incredibly bad.
• The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me.
• Difficulty? There is none, thank level scaling for that.
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring.
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. Did they learn nothing from Oblivion.
• How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me. Making them unlimited was just...
• Balance is completely lacking as well.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

Well...@#$% this fourm page anyways. Since Skyrim won this whole thing is gonna explode with Skyrim hate threads everywhere. It's quite sad how we can not just move on with our lives. Anwyays, see ya System Wars and oh, by the way...

Flying Mammoths=GOTY. :P :lol:

Goyoshi12

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Didn't say groundbreaking. I said "excellent." Reading is apparently really hard. :roll:

Maroxad

What is excellent about Skyrim?

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archerty=Bugged, and only bows
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.
• Story and writing are incredibly bad.
• Character progression. The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me.
• Difficulty. There is none, thank level scaling for that.
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring.
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. This is worse than the stupidity in Fable.
• Dragons. How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me.
• Balance is completely lacking as well.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's strange how so, so many other people can think otherwise... I mean, bland overworld? Seriously? The place looks beautiful. I often find myself looking up at the mountains to High Hrothgar from Whiterun. The Reach area is also amazing.. Eh, to each his own.

i just came back from ign, ng4, and like 7 other forums and they are all LOL'ing at GS picking Portal 2 for best ps3 game.

i dont know folks, i think my time here is coming to an end.

if it was April's then i would understand the idea behind it but this is just straight out of Twilight Zone, lol.

ZoomZoom2490

He he ... At least PS3 GOTY is better than overall GOTY.

Defective turret - more personality than any of the hundreds upon hundreds Skyrim NPCs ...

Is anyone surprised by this?Anything Elder scrolls is always really popular.

I love Skyrim, but the combat in the game isn't so great, it could have been way better...and the game is pretty damn combat focused. AAllxxjjnn

LEGO Skyrim.

LEGO Skyrim.

KiZZo1

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"] If derivative stands as excellent, I see no reason why Skyrim doesn't belong in the same category.

Twin-Blade

What is excellent about Skyrim?

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archerty=Bugged, and only bows
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.
• Story and writing are incredibly bad.
• Character progression. The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me.
• Difficulty. There is none, thank level scaling for that.
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring.
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. This is worse than the stupidity in Fable.
• Dragons. How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me.
• Balance is completely lacking as well.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's strange how so, so many other people can think otherwise... I mean, bland overworld? Seriously? The place looks beautiful. I often find myself looking up at the mountains to High Hrothgar from Whiterun. The Reach area is also amazing.. Eh, to each his own.

The issue with the overworld is how every place looks the same. There are some vistas, but unfortunately, they did nothing for me. Perhaps a part of this is because I live in the norhern regions and more or less what I see in Skyrim is what I see every day.

Skyrim will be a good game one day. But that day has not arrived yet.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This year? Gears 3, Dark Souls, Bastion, Bulletstorm, The Witcher 2. There's five. DarkLink77

I will say, however, Bethesda is still behind the curve on a lot of things. Most games these days are **** written, so that's almost a given to any game but it's still something they need to improve on -- at least on the main quest side. Then there's the bugs....we all know that. The gameplay is also pretty poor. But at the same time the gameplay is just feasible enough to make the exploration fun. There are many sites to see and things to do in Skyrim that really make the game feel magical. It's something I haven't felt in a long time with modern games. I just wish one game could get it all right -- exploration, gameplay, story.........there are games that have come close (like Metroid Prime for me) but there aren't many modern games that do that all well =\.

But when I think back on it, and realize all its faults, I still think it's easily one of the best (if not the best game) this particular year. It's the only one that has yielded the most enjoyment other than maybe TW2. But even TW2's gameplay with mediocre and it was seemingly well written until the very end where the plot falls off completely. I would say it's worse than Skyrim's gameplay anyway, so I don't see why you don't knock on that (unless you have in previous threads that I haven't seen). Every game has its faults. But there are certain games, like Skyrim, that have something so special that they overcome the many problems presented.

Not a terrible list. Portal 2 won a decent amount of awards and KOF13 won fighting game of the year.

I don't care too much for the others. Can't wait for Xenoblade since it's finally being released here though.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

What is excellent about Skyrim?

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archerty=Bugged, and only bows
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.
• Story and writing are incredibly bad.
• Character progression. The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me.
• Difficulty. There is none, thank level scaling for that.
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring.
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. This is worse than the stupidity in Fable.
• Dragons. How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me.
• Balance is completely lacking as well.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

Maroxad

I'm sorry to hear that. It's strange how so, so many other people can think otherwise... I mean, bland overworld? Seriously? The place looks beautiful. I often find myself looking up at the mountains to High Hrothgar from Whiterun. The Reach area is also amazing.. Eh, to each his own.

The issue with the overworld is how every place looks the same. There are some vistas, but unfortunately, they did nothing for me. Perhaps a part of this is because I live in the norhern regions and more or less what I see in Skyrim is what I see every day.

Skyrim will be a good game one day. But that day has not arrived yet.

what about Deus ex HR??
anyone else feels that this game got past by?
Also Me2 was on ps3 THIS year. it SHOULD got mentioned because I VE PLAYED THE DAMN GAME FOR 6 TIMES THIS YEAR and it still is awesome!!!!!!!

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archery=Bugged, and only bows. I'm guessing you like turn-based combat ? Why is wielding dual spells stupid, if the game is using its own logic and ruleset ?
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.This is one of the most beautiful gameworlds i've seen in a while. It perfectly captures the nordic feel.
• Story and writing are incredibly bad. I agree.
• Character progression. The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me. Perks are just copied from Oblivion skill inceases, which isn't a bad thing. The old stat system had many useless stats (who actually maxed out to 255 ?)
• Difficulty. There is none, thank level scaling for that. Go to settings. Raise the difficulty level. Not so easy now, is it ?
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring. Considering the sheer number of dungeons, what did you expect ?
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. This is worse than the stupidity in Fable. This is not so big of a flaw now, is it ?
• Dragons. How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me. Right. But hey, they're much better than the boring Planes of Oblivion ?
• Balance is completely lacking as well. Overpowered ? Crank up the difficulty.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

Maroxad

In the end, it seems we have much different opinons. I've had a blast in my 70+ hours in Skyrim.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

I'm sorry to hear that. It's strange how so, so many other people can think otherwise... I mean, bland overworld? Seriously? The place looks beautiful. I often find myself looking up at the mountains to High Hrothgar from Whiterun. The Reach area is also amazing.. Eh, to each his own.

Lethalhazard

The issue with the overworld is how every place looks the same. There are some vistas, but unfortunately, they did nothing for me. Perhaps a part of this is because I live in the norhern regions and more or less what I see in Skyrim is what I see every day.

Skyrim will be a good game one day. But that day has not arrived yet.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The issue with the overworld is how every place looks the same. There are some vistas, but unfortunately, they did nothing for me. Perhaps a part of this is because I live in the norhern regions and more or less what I see in Skyrim is what I see every day.

Skyrim will be a good game one day. But that day has not arrived yet.

parkurtommo

Just Cause 2.

Can't say I agree with all of that list.

Lethalhazard. Pick any mmo, Dark Souls, Two Worlds 2. All had far more varied landscapes than skyrim. Even the Oblivion mod Nehrim was more varied with its environments.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archery=Bugged, and only bows. I'm guessing you like turn-based combat ? Why is wielding dual spells stupid, if the game is using its own logic and ruleset ?When controlling one char Action is the best combat system. When controling a party, Turn Based is best. When Controlling a lot of people, RTWP is best.
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.This is one of the most beautiful gameworlds i've seen in a while. It perfectly captures the nordic feel.I disagree about that. I found it to be derivative and ultimately boring.
• Character progression. The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me. Perks are just copied from Oblivion skill inceases, which isn't a bad thing. The old stat system had many useless stats (who actually maxed out to 255 ?)True, they are an evolution, the issue is that you get 1 perk per level which is too much, then there are several perks themselves that are just bad.
• Difficulty. There is none, thank level scaling for that. Go to settings. Raise the difficulty level. Not so easy now, is it ?Played on Master. Furthermore, I want difficulty htat comes though actual challange, not enemies with extra bloated life bars.
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring. Considering the sheer number of dungeons, what did you expect ?I knew they were going to be bad, personally I wish they went with quality as opposed to quantity.
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. This is worse than the stupidity in Fable. This is not so big of a flaw now, is it ?Not a big flaw, but it did detract from immersion.
• Dragons. How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me. Right. But hey, they're much better than the boring Planes of Oblivion ?They are both terrible. But I would say I thought Dragons were worse, simply because they are much harder to ignore.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

SovietsUnited

In the end, it seems we have much different opinons. I've had a blast in my 70+ hours in Skyrim.

As you probably can see, many of my issues with Skyrim comes from easily fixable issues, the core gameplay is great, it is just undercooked and ruined by bad ideas and poor execution.

Skyrim is the winnar.

who didnt see this coming? Anyways, I still have no intentions to play Skyrim.Nengo_Flow

Deserved it. After Oblivion, and to a lesser extent Morrowind, Bethesda delivered a game that sucked me in and didn't punishing me exorbitantly for fighting things. By far the largest problem I had with the previous two Elder Scrolls.

Woo Xenbecauseoblade stomps Skyward Sword :twisted:

WreckEm711

Lethalhazard. Pick any mmo, Dark Souls, Two Worlds 2. All had far more varied landscapes than skyrim. Even the Oblivion mod Nehrim was more varied with its environments.

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

• Terrible combat system. Melee combat=weapon rubbing, Magic=Dual wielding spell stupidity Archery=Bugged, and only bows. I'm guessing you like turn-based combat ? Why is wielding dual spells stupid, if the game is using its own logic and ruleset ?When controlling one char Action is the best combat system. When controling a party, Turn Based is best. When Controlling a lot of people, RTWP is best.
• Exploration. Bland overworld which looks the same no matter where you go, it is only slighlty more varied than Oblivion's.This is one of the most beautiful gameworlds i've seen in a while. It perfectly captures the nordic feel.I disagree about that. I found it to be derivative and ultimately boring.
• Character progression. The whole stat upgrade system in not only insanely dumbed down, but also really unbalanced at the same time. Furthermore Skyrim has by far the worst implementation of perks I have ever seen. How could they have screwed up this bad is beyond me. Perks are just copied from Oblivion skill inceases, which isn't a bad thing. The old stat system had many useless stats (who actually maxed out to 255 ?)True, they are an evolution, the issue is that you get 1 perk per level which is too much, then there are several perks themselves that are just bad.
• Difficulty. There is none, thank level scaling for that. Go to settings. Raise the difficulty level. Not so easy now, is it ?Played on Master. Furthermore, I want difficulty htat comes though actual challange, not enemies with extra bloated life bars.
• Dungeons, either you find a basement, or a dungeon which drags on for too long becoming downright boring. Considering the sheer number of dungeons, what did you expect ?I knew they were going to be bad, personally I wish they went with quality as opposed to quantity.
• Immersion killers. Every damn time I pass through a town at least 3 NPCs will comment at me. This is worse than the stupidity in Fable. This is not so big of a flaw now, is it ?Not a big flaw, but it did detract from immersion.
• Dragons. How Bethesda could make fighting dragons so boring is beyond me. Right. But hey, they're much better than the boring Planes of Oblivion ?They are both terrible. But I would say I thought Dragons were worse, simply because they are much harder to ignore.

Ok, it is highly moddable, but otherwise I see little redeeming about Skyrim.

In the end, it seems we have much different opinons. I've had a blast in my 70+ hours in Skyrim.

As you probably can see, many of my issues with Skyrim comes from easily fixable issues, the core gameplay is great, it is just undercooked and ruined by bad ideas and poor execution.

Skyrim win was well deserved (although competition was tough - Witcher 2 and Dark Souls would both win RPG of the year easily were they released any other year), but Portal 2 didnt deserve to win PS3 GOTY imo, the campaign was too short and the multiplayer too for a GOTY, I would give it to Dark Souls.

Also Im surprised Crysis 2 (PC version) won the best technical graphics award, its definitely up there after the DX11 patch but I thought Battlefield 3 deserved it more.

Didn't take a genius to see this coming.

How else would they raise the difficulty? Also if morre health and damage isn't a challenge then what is?Brean24

Better AI. Raising health and damage don't make the enemies in Skyrim any more difficult in battle, it just means they take far longer to kill. The strategy to do so is pretty much the same though. They do the same animation, at the same speed, with the same predicality no matter what difficulty you play on.

[QUOTE="Brean24"]How else would they raise the difficulty? Also if morre health and damage isn't a challenge then what is?Kickinurass

Better AI. Raising health and damage don't make the enemies in Skyrim any more difficult in battle, it just means they take far longer to kill. The strategy to do so is pretty much the same though. They do the same animation, at the same speed, with the same predicality no matter what difficulty you play on.

I think that combat system is the biggest weakness of Skyrim. But then again - after I played Demons Souls its pretty hard to please me with a combat system :)

How else would they raise the difficulty? Also if morre health and damage isn't a challenge then what is?Brean24

Many ways.

• Improve AI
• More varied enemy abilities, both passive and active.
• Level design
• Varied enemy encounters, resulting in players possibly being forced to adapt.
• Remove level scaling, so you know, you will actually face foes way out of your league.
• Remove/nerf the redicilously overpowered perks
• Better balancing

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Brean24"]How else would they raise the difficulty? Also if morre health and damage isn't a challenge then what is?BlbecekBobecek

Better AI. Raising health and damage don't make the enemies in Skyrim any more difficult in battle, it just means they take far longer to kill. The strategy to do so is pretty much the same though. They do the same animation, at the same speed, with the same predicality no matter what difficulty you play on.

I think that combat system is the biggest weakness of Skyrim. But then again - after I played Demons Souls its pretty hard to please me with a combat system :)

It's not great, but it's servicaable to the point I don't hate fighting things. Which is was how it was for me in Morrowind and Oblivion.

Never played Demon Souls, but I'm also very happy with Dark Souls combat. Very satisfying and challenging. And how every weapon feels completely different... it's awesome. I'd prefer Skyrim's to be a bit more like that, myself. Someone on skyrimNexus was kicking around a mod idea to make it happen once the creation kit drops.

Skyrim deserves it. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Better AI. Raising health and damage don't make the enemies in Skyrim any more difficult in battle, it just means they take far longer to kill. The strategy to do so is pretty much the same though. They do the same animation, at the same speed, with the same predicality no matter what difficulty you play on.

Kickinurass

I think that combat system is the biggest weakness of Skyrim. But then again - after I played Demons Souls its pretty hard to please me with a combat system :)

It's not great, but it's servicaable to the point I don't hate fighting things. Which is was how it was for me in Morrowind and Oblivion.

Never played Demon Souls, but I'm also very happy with Dark Souls combat. Very satisfying and challenging. And how every weapon feels completely different... it's awesome. I'd prefer Skyrim's to be a bit more like that, myself. Someone on skyrimNexus was kicking around a mod idea to make it happen once the creation kit drops.

Dark Souls is pretty much the same as Demons Souls, except more refined.

It is pretty amazing how we are already getting some nice mods for Skyrim. I would love a battle system that is like Mount & Blade mixed with Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

I think that combat system is the biggest weakness of Skyrim. But then again - after I played Demons Souls its pretty hard to please me with a combat system :)

Maroxad

It's not great, but it's servicaable to the point I don't hate fighting things. Which is was how it was for me in Morrowind and Oblivion.

Never played Demon Souls, but I'm also very happy with Dark Souls combat. Very satisfying and challenging. And how every weapon feels completely different... it's awesome. I'd prefer Skyrim's to be a bit more like that, myself. Someone on skyrimNexus was kicking around a mod idea to make it happen once the creation kit drops.

Dark Souls is pretty much the same as Demons Souls, except more refined.

It is pretty amazing how we are already getting some nice mods for Skyrim. I would love a battle system that is like Mount & Blade mixed with Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

Never thought of it before but Dark Messiah of Might and Magic was actually a bit like Demons/Dark Souls in terms of combat system. :) If there will actually be mods to Skyrim that change even the combat system, Im really glad I decided to get it on PC.

I disagree with a lot of the list but those are just opinions. The most disappointing thing about the awards is that The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword was not even a nomination. Seeing the water color effect in the distance morph to the area you were running around was stunning and just beautiful design. The lack of a nomination was disappointing in my eyes.

Dark Souls got shafted. Seems like the same thing that happened to SMG2 last year because of it's prequal.

Best game this year. The Witcher 2 might have stood a chance if the second chapter didn't feel like a complete fetch quest, as well as the third chapter. Feels like they threw that chapter together in 10 minutes. Still like the game.

Da_lil_PimP

Damn, Skyrim is becoming the next Uncharted 2 in terms of GOTY awards.

This is gonna be an interesting award season.

And how the hell does Demon Souls win GOTY in 09, and absolutely NOTHING in 11'? I mean, I hate the games, but some weird stuff is going on...