Skyward Sword = Artistic graphics king 2011?

The game just has bad graphics and the art style is 10+ years old at this point. Luckily it's the gameplay that counts. Nintendo fanboys always moan about CoD milking a franchise but zelda hasn't changed since....Well OoT really. At least each gen Sony and Microsoft come up with new core first party games when was the last time Nintendo created a new STRONG ip?

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Bulletstorm is a good looking game, it's just a shame that reading those captions reminded me of why I have no interest in it.

topgunmv

Oh well. The reason I bought the game was because of those captions.:lol: He He. I have to play some mindless "cliched" games once in a while. It's kind of like watching a B movie. Cheesy as heck. But, I like it. I didn't even notice the nice vistas until well into the game.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

I'm not an art guy, so I ask, isn't there some kind of guideline to this? Becasue everytime I see these arguments about artistic graphics it seems it's all about the most cartooney, or the most bright colored, and apparently something that closely or nearly depicts reality is something that has zero art to it.

Bread_or_Decide

From the comments in SW you would get the impression that this isn't art:

No but this is...

Thank You!

I hope this ends that ridiculous "what is art" debate.

EVERY game has artistic design to a degree wether they go for a realistic sty1e or a cartoony sty1e art is art.

That said I'm playing SS right now and I have to say while the game is amazing the visuals are less than impressive to me. I get the sty1e they are going for and I think its a perfect fit for a Zelda game but the levels of jaggies in this game coupled with that blurry effect just distorts it to much for me so that I can't enjoy the full effect of SS's art direction.

Those PC shots look amazing and really capture the true spirit of the art but unfortunatley thats not how it appears played on a Wii....

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] You realize someone had to sit down and design the look of the game and all of the characters? That's called artistic design. Every game has it including call of duty. Saying that only games with designs like Limbo or Braid have a right to be called artistic is ignorant and close minded.

Bread_or_Decide

Don't even bother. Notice how he didn't respond to my post?

I get the feeling he's one of those brain dead types who is impervious to logic.

Stop banging on about Nier. It was rubbish!

Wow judging by those shots it's rather artisic janitor of 2011 or something. Wow a boring skeleton and an ogre?? These guys must have such an imagination!

The real artistic graphics king==

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] No no no no but it's LIKE A PAINTING SO IT'S OMGZ THE ARTSTYLEZ!!!!princeofshapeir

Do you call this a good Artistic style...??:lol:

How pathetic do you have to be to deliberately pick crappy low-res images to make Skyward Sword look like crap?

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]

Do you call this a good Artistic style...??:lol:

Advid-Gamer

How pathetic do you have to be to deliberately pick crappy low-res images to make Skyward Sword look like crap?

lol. you must be playing on a tiny little TV, then, because on my 42'' the game looks crisp and the art ****is clearly gorgeous even if it's jaggy and low-res. it looks nothing like that blurred mess he's passing off as representative of what the game looks like for everyone.

I'm sorry, but just because it's colourful and kiddy does not make it "artistic".

For something to be artistic, it has to make you stop dead in your tracks and make you say, "Oh my... That's perrttyy".

I'm sorry, but just because it's colourful and kiddy does not make it "artistic".

For something to be artistic, it has to make you stop dead in your tracks and make you say, "Oh my... That's perrttyy".

Cruxis27

Even if everything else was perfect in this game I'd still give it a 7.5 just cause of the awful artstyle.

That looks absolutely hideous. If it weren't called Zelda people would be saying it looks awful because it does. For similar, yet hugely better, graphics, see Tales of Monkey Island.

I'm sorry, but just because it's colourful and kiddy does not make it "artistic".

For something to be artistic, it has to make you stop dead in your tracks and make you say, "Oh my... That's perrttyy".

Cruxis27

Like the northern lights in Skyrim or the sunrise in Red Dead Redemption. You're right.

Stop banging on about Nier. It was rubbish!Chemical_Viking

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Going through a large portion of this thread has brought up something that has been on my mind for the past little while. When a thread like this comes up, people most commonly start posting pictures of their favorite cel-shaded game, or game that "looks like a moving painting." Now, nothing against those games... but what about JUST the visual stylization makes a game "artistic?" Gaming is about more than just visuals. There is a layer of interactivity that separates games from movies or cartoons. So why aren't those things AS WELL AS the visuals being considered? To me, Wind Waker was a very derivative Zelda game, that despite having that "style" people sing about in these threads, couldn't keep my attention past the first dungeon. Yet Twilight Princess, a game considered by many to be stylistically "dull" not only held me till the end of the game... I beat it twice. Now, I start thinking about what games I would consider to be "the most artistic" and come up with examples like Mirror's Edge, Nier, Shadow of the Colossus, Cursed Mountain and Castlevania: Curse of Darkness. Why? I don't know. They strike me as "passionately crafted" in all aspects; visuals, music, world design, character design and most importantly, gameplay. Sure, they aren't the finest examples of hyper-polished games (Bayonetta for instance over Nier and Curse) but their unique gameplay elements, and how they are strung together sets them apart from other games I've played. And they are memorable. A lot of the "polished" games I've played this gen, I barely remember anything about them... but in Nier, Curse or Shadow, if I were more artistically inclined to drawing, I could recreate all of the environments in intricate detail (like that white cat laying on top if those boxes in the market in the village). Of course, "art" is still entirely subjective... but why is it that only "visually" artistic games get talked about in these threads? Nier certainly isn't a looker... but how the game is strung together is definitely "artistic" to me.skrat_01

I'd say that some of Uncharted 3's enviroments are truly stunning aswell. A recent favourite aswell has to be for me (don't hate me for this) the night time level in Moder Warfare 3, set in London docks. It feels so right you can almost smell the fish

In terms of the style? Maybe. In terms of the character design? No way. I HATE Mogma's and the little robot guys. They both drive me nuts. I like the Kwiki's though.

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

How pathetic do you have to be to deliberately pick crappy low-res images to make Skyward Sword look like crap?

princeofshapeir

lol. you must be playing on a tiny little TV, then, because on my 42'' the game looks crisp and the art ****is clearly gorgeous even if it's jaggy and low-res. it looks nothing like that blurred mess he's passing off as representative of what the game looks like for everyone.

Thats what it looks like, I have a 52' 1080p sony bravia, and great looking games look great on it. Zelda ss looks like crap, it is widely known and lol at "crisp" graphics on the wii, the only games that look decent are SMg 1 and 2

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Thats what it looks like, if you didnt know the wii is low rez, the pics the tc posted are not being displayed on the wii.

Advid-Gamer

lol. you must be playing on a tiny little TV, then, because on my 42'' the game looks crisp and the art ****is clearly gorgeous even if it's jaggy and low-res. it looks nothing like that blurred mess he's passing off as representative of what the game looks like for everyone.

Thats what it looks like, I have a 52' 1080p sony bravia, and great looking games look great on it. Zelda ss looks like crap, it is widely known and lol at "crisp" graphics on the wii, the only games that look decent are SMg 1 and 2

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

lol. you must be playing on a tiny little TV, then, because on my 42'' the game looks crisp and the art ****is clearly gorgeous even if it's jaggy and low-res. it looks nothing like that blurred mess he's passing off as representative of what the game looks like for everyone.

Shinobishyguy

Thats what it looks like, I have a 52' 1080p sony bravia, and great looking games look great on it. Zelda ss looks like crap, it is widely known and lol at "crisp" graphics on the wii, the only games that look decent are SMg 1 and 2

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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

Thats what it looks like, I have a 52' 1080p sony bravia, and great looking games look great on it. Zelda ss looks like crap, it is widely known and lol at "crisp" graphics on the wii, the only games that look decent are SMg 1 and 2

Advid-Gamer

art = graphic. Say again?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

I'm not an art guy, so I ask, isn't there some kind of guideline to this? Becasue everytime I see these arguments about artistic graphics it seems it's all about the most cartooney, or the most bright colored, and apparently something that closely or nearly depicts reality is something that has zero art to it.

TheOtherTheoG

From the comments in SW you would get the impression that this isn't art:

Now what do I win?

First of all a kick in the nuts.

*puts monocle on*

It's "Demoiselles" not "Mademoiselles".

And second, it really shows the PC's power if you're comparing it with the painting that was responsible for starting the cubist movement. Had you said something along the lines of Neo****cism(what has this art movement ever done to you gamespot?), I would have seen your point.

Anyway, wth happened to this thread, it's... long

I'm really sick of "artistic" being used as a cover for terrible graphics. No matter what the art direction of the game is, it is held back by the terrible ground/wall textures and various other things. I mean, look at almost any object in the environment. Leaves and trees look like utter trash which would BARELY pass last gen, the blending between dirt roads and grass is absolutely terrible, and there are so many jaggies and sharp angles that you might poke an eye out just for taking a critical look at the game.

I will never accept "art direction" as an excuse for graphics being terrible. Imagine if Skyward Sword had been developed for PC/360/PS3 - it would have the same art direction yet the graphical quality of the entire game would've been elevated to a different level. As it stands, it looks dated - much like everything else the Wii has to offer, and that's a damn shame because it REALLY pulls you out of the immersion of an otherwise well-designed game when you see trees and environments that look like they were rendered with technology which is a decade old.

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[QUOTE="illmatic87"]No, not even close. The Witcher 2 and Bastion take it so far, Rayman and El Shaddai look fantastic too even though I havent played them. If Trine 2 comes out this year, that'll get my vote.StealthSting

???

What's "artistic" about The Witcher 2's graphics? :|

You guys might as well define what artistic graphics look like... I mean, I go through this thread, and people seem to be associating artistic graphics(apparently not artstyle) with cel-shaded graphics. So yeah, I'm a bit confused on why The Witcher 2 can't possibly be brought up in this debate--that said I haven't played it yet, but I've heard nothing but praise toward the game's artstyle.

Nah,I prefer Rayman:Origins

and I enjoyed Skyward Sword's Art.

Nah,I prefer Rayman:Origins

and I enjoyed Skyward Sword's Art.

Kandlegoat

Rayman Origins, Skyward Sword, The Witcher 2, Arkham City, Sonic Generations, SM3DL, and way more.

Too many games with fantastic art. I'd pick TW2 as my only choice though,

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]

Do you call this a good Artistic style...??:lol:

Advid-Gamer

How pathetic do you have to be to deliberately pick crappy low-res images to make Skyward Sword look like crap?

The tc pics are from the PC Emulation.The photos that i have post are from the Gamespot.Skyward Sword graphics are very poor and ugly.

[QUOTE="StealthSting"]

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

???

What's "artistic" about The Witcher 2's graphics? :|

savagetwinkie

You guys might as well define what artistic graphics look like... I mean, I go through this thread, and people seem to be associating artistic graphics(apparently not artstyle) with cel-shaded graphics. So yeah, I'm a bit confused on why The Witcher 2 can't possibly be brought up in this debate--that said I haven't played it yet, but I've heard nothing but praise toward the game's artstyle.

No. Since you can't even play The Witcher 2 twinkle, don't bother commenting on it. It has an artstyle on it's own, and it's only your opinion that Dark/Demon's Souls and Skyrim looks better, do not pass that off as fact.

I'm probably the only one but i'd give that to Alice madness return.

The game is out in Japan :D

The game is out in Japan :D

nitekids2004

[QUOTE="illmatic87"]No, not even close. The Witcher 2 and Bastion take it so far, Rayman and El Shaddai look fantastic too even though I havent played them. If Trine 2 comes out this year, that'll get my vote.lightleggy

you do know that both can work together. ArmA is pretty technical but its focus on photorealism doesn't make look as appealing as say The Witcher 2 :P nice try

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

The game is out in Japan :D

DragonfireXZ95

Here's a gameplay screenshot

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="illmatic87"]No, not even close. The Witcher 2 and Bastion take it so far, Rayman and El Shaddai look fantastic too even though I havent played them. If Trine 2 comes out this year, that'll get my vote.NoodleFighter

you do know that both can work together. ArmA is pretty technical but its focus on photorealism doesn't make look as appealing as say The Witcher 2 :P nice try

If people really think The Witcher 2 is not artistic, then please people, show us a real life photograph or place that looks like it belongs in The Witcher 2.

Do it.

Use this pic as reference.

Also, Skyrim copied The Witcher 2. :P

^What's up with his face? He has sackboy textured skin.ActionRemix

That's the shadows. They aren't all that great. :P

You don't really notice them during gameplay though unless you stop and look for them.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]^What's up with his face? He has sackboy textured skin.DragonfireXZ95

That's the shadows. They aren't all that great. :P

You don't really notice them during gameplay though unless you stop and look for them.

I found it grew on me. I just look at it as part of the stylized look now.