SlyGamers: SONY To begin permanently Banning and to release FW 3.60 to combat PS

"Okay first off let me apologize about the really bad website layout right now as we are currently still a work in progress. Now with the latest news about Custom Firmware hitting PS3, and Geohotz incident many online users have been wondering if you can get ban. Now here is a phone call that someone has made to Sony Austrailia. "

Edited: Sorry guys about the download link i am in the process of uploading to Youtube. Please wait

n4g...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA8RPzDCpfU

you need to pay attention

1. Sony will try and ban consoles, those consoles will get unbanned more easy than jtags can

2. Sony can not brick us, but users can brick themselves by installing CFW (but thats besides the point)

3. hackers are allready on PSN if you didnt know (many more will come)

4. firmware updates to stop piracy and cfw are more useless than the PSP updates (its impossible for any FW update to fix this)

5. there is nothing Sony can do but try to ease down the piracy with scare tactics (what they are doing right now)

you need to pay attention ***

HaloinventedFPS

Speaking of which, I actually fell for that sig. Unreal.

I dont have a crystal ball, but Im pretty sure Fwu wont help it.

Just like Jailbreak PS3. Your PS3 console won't be able to connect to PSN and can't play online game. They ban your console MAC address and PSN account. I don't know if they can brick your console.

Yes go get em Sony! ban them all!

Just like Jailbreak PS3. Your PS3 console won't be able to connect to PSN and can't play online game. They ban your console MAC address and PSN account. I don't know if they can brick your console.

Everiez

this is nothing like the jailbreak

PS3 is now as open as a PC, everything sony can do we can do

Just like Jailbreak PS3. Your PS3 console won't be able to connect to PSN and can't play online game. They ban your console MAC address and PSN account. I don't know if they can brick your console.

Everiez

According to Digital Foundry, they are able to brick your console remotely. Though legally they can't. If you have modded your console, I believe its impossible to prove Sony could have done so.

it will be up-hill struggle for them, I'm kinf of tired of the whole thing

this is nothing like the jailbreak

PS3 is now as open as a PC, everything sony can do we can do

HaloinventedFPS

I know. What I meant is the ban method Sony use.

According to Digital Foundry, they are able to brick your console remotely. Though legally they can't. If you have modded your console, I believe its impossible to prove Sony could have done so.

DragoonKain1687

Maybe we'll see it soon. All depend on PSN protocols to detect or Sony can do it in Nintendo Wii styIe. Bricked it with FW update and ask customer to send it.

I still dont get what the big deal with ps3s hacking, people make it sound like the world will end or someting, all systems get hacked so what, 360 and wii both were hacked sicne what day 1 and their both going strong, nothing will be affected, those who buy games will keep on buying, lets move on. hacking threads getting way too annoying now. it just look like sony will focus on making updates to prevent hacks instead of giving us new stuff, thats hacking and hackers always ruin everything sigh -_-

Illegally downloading games is like buying a cooker but not paying for the food.

I still dont get what the big deal with ps3s hacking, people make it sound like the world will end or someting, all systems get hacked so what, 360 and wii both were hacked sicne what day 1 and their both going strong, nothing will be affected, those who buy games will keep on buying, lets move on. hacking threads getting way too annoying now. it just look like sony will focus on making updates to prevent hacks instead of giving us new stuff, thats hacking and hackers always ruin everything sigh -_-

finalstar2007

Depends on who are are which makes it a big or little deal.

Just you're average gamer...you may have to deal with cheaters, perhaps a loss in future exlusives because of developers leaving the platform. Etc.

For the actual developers themselves...down to the invidivual employees...this is a big deal. You're talking about careers being effected, or possibly terminated.

Sony really can't do much at all. Like others said everything they can do, so can we. So they ban, we can unban. :)

Oh boy! I can't wait to get banned just because I wanted to program stuff for my PS3.

king_of_metal

you need to pay attention

1. Sony will try and ban consoles, those consoles will get unbanned more easy than jtags can

2. Sony can not brick us, but users can brick themselves by installing CFW (but thats besides the point)

3. hackers are allready on PSN if you didnt know (many more will come)

4. firmware updates to stop piracy and cfw are more useless than the PSP updates (its impossible for any FW update to fix this)

5. there is nothing Sony can do but try to ease down the piracy with scare tactics (what they are doing right now)

HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="Everiez"]

Just like Jailbreak PS3. Your PS3 console won't be able to connect to PSN and can't play online game. They ban your console MAC address and PSN account. I don't know if they can brick your console.

HaloinventedFPS

this is nothing like the jailbreak

PS3 is now as open as a PC, everything sony can do we can do

But you won't be connecting to PSN or any Sony's servers, they are not open servers. Good luck investing millions of $$ in creating PSN replica with servers.

People are frigging stupid.I mean come on if your are using a custom firmware then don't go online.It's like thy are just asking to get banned.

With all the news about breached security, homebrew and Sony taking hackers to court, the underlying allure of installing custom firmware on the PS3 is still something a lot of people are interested in. Whether they simply want to return OtherOS to their machines, mess around with emulators or pirate games is beside the point. We here at TheSixthAxis do not recommend dabbling about in the custom pond for one simple reason: you could irreparably damage your console. Case in point, the recently released CFW 3.55 which, according to the very community that are driving custom firmware development, appears to have bricked a number of consoles. Hacker Waninkoko (hackinblack on Twitter) announced today: Yay! It's coming! Custom Firmware v3.55 for PS3 released! Only to be followed 19 minutes later with: Do NOT install in Slim consoles! Looks like users are reporting bricking issues. That's weird as the CFW was tested on both models. Well… I don't know if those problems are real or just jokes. As I said, some testers tried this and worked in both models. Brickage was confirmed a few minutes later when an apology was also issued: I'm sorry for all the consoles that have died, this was unexpected :S The coding elite over at NeoGaf, watching from the sidelines as the nightmare of PS3s dying around the hacking world unfolded, have chimed in, warning interested parties of the inherent perils of going rogue. Apparently the guy who made this messed with lvl2 to make it accept a bigger payload, this is why random consoles are killing themselves. lesson = let the guinea pigs go first. Sure, it's early days yet and, who knows, it's very likely the hacking community will iron out these issues and create a safe, robust custom firmware. Then all you have to worry about is Uncle Sony nuking your PS3 from orbit. Seriously, there will always be those who get a kick out of circumventing security measures; the challenge of cracking what is perceived as the uncrackable sublimely attractive. For the rest of us, be aware that you not only risk losing your PS3 altogether (either now or in the future when your CFW may be detected) but will likely spend more time updating and tweaking your console rather than what it's actually intended for: playing games.

[QUOTE="king_of_metal"]

Oh boy! I can't wait to get banned just because I wanted to program stuff for my PS3.

Crossel777

according to the Supreme Court, there is absolutely nothing wrong with home brew. The precedent set on mobile phones will almost certainly be expanded to include home consoles and other electronics.

This forum needs to update its rules to go in line with the Supreme Court. For now, I understand the rule because strictly speaking home brew has not been clarified for home consoles, but legal precedent is an extremely powerful thing...

im glad sony got this handled like they always do. the ps3 will always be the hack proof leader this gen imho

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

[QUOTE="king_of_metal"]

Oh boy! I can't wait to get banned just because I wanted to program stuff for my PS3.

KingsMessenger

according to the Supreme Court, there is absolutely nothing wrong with home brew. The precedent set on mobile phones will almost certainly be expanded to include home consoles and other electronics.

This forum needs to update its rules to go in line with the Supreme Court. For now, I understand the rule because strictly speaking home brew has not been clarified for home consoles, but legal precedent is an extremely powerful thing...

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

[QUOTE="Crossel777"] You can certainly get banned from these forums for even suggesting that you home brew.

fusionhunter

according to the Supreme Court, there is absolutely nothing wrong with home brew. The precedent set on mobile phones will almost certainly be expanded to include home consoles and other electronics.

This forum needs to update its rules to go in line with the Supreme Court. For now, I understand the rule because strictly speaking home brew has not been clarified for home consoles, but legal precedent is an extremely powerful thing...

I never said it wasn't illegal when used for piracy.... However, Other OS was removed, making any educational use of a personal PS3 impossible and ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT, YOU own your property and have the right to do with it whatever you please unless those acts are illegal. That right supercedes the T&C. Apple and AT&T had to deal with this with iPhone jailbreaking. The Supreme Court reaffirmed the individual's right to use their PROPERTY.

It is just a matter of time before the Supreme Court expands that ruling to include home consoles and home entertainment electronics.

I still dont get what the big deal with ps3s hacking, people make it sound like the world will end or someting, all systems get hacked so what, 360 and wii both were hacked sicne what day 1 and their both going strong, nothing will be affected, those who buy games will keep on buying, lets move on. hacking threads getting way too annoying now. it just look like sony will focus on making updates to prevent hacks instead of giving us new stuff, thats hacking and hackers always ruin everything sigh -_-

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

according to the Supreme Court, there is absolutely nothing wrong with home brew. The precedent set on mobile phones will almost certainly be expanded to include home consoles and other electronics.

This forum needs to update its rules to go in line with the Supreme Court. For now, I understand the rule because strictly speaking home brew has not been clarified for home consoles, but legal precedent is an extremely powerful thing...

KingsMessenger

I never said it wasn't illegal when used for piracy.... However, Other OS was removed, making any educational use of a personal PS3 impossible and ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT, YOU own your property and have the right to do with it whatever you please unless those acts are illegal. That right supercedes the T&C. Apple and AT&T had to deal with this with iPhone jailbreaking. The Supreme Court reaffirmed the individual's right to use their PROPERTY.

It is just a matter of time before the Supreme Court expands that ruling to include home consoles and home entertainment electronics.

I just hope Sony win by technicality. It's destroying gaming full stop.

I think Sony should scout out those who use this for Piracy and sue them. Let people do what they want with homebrew but keep it offline (and legal). All that GeoHotz has accomplised is hurting the PS3 even more for some CFW. Harsh but what can we do but ban em. Yes they can ban you for using custom firmware because it against Sony's T&C's like I already stated.

I just hope Sony win by technicality. It's destroying gaming full stop.

fusionhunter

That's not going to work though. The way that pirates have been pirating games, as far as I know, looks no different to Sony than playing the original off of a disc. The other sentence I made bold, I completely agree with. Also, someone has just informed me that Geohot didn't do the signing right. Sony candisable all homebrew apps signed with Geohot's tools.

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]. Also, someone has just informed me that Geohot didn't do the signing right. Sony candisable all homebrew apps signed with Geohot's tools.

king_of_metal

[QUOTE="king_of_metal"]

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]. Also, someone has just informed me that Geohot didn't do the signing right. Sony candisable all homebrew apps signed with Geohot's tools.

Antantics

Sony can't do a damn thing about this. The CFW uses the same security key as sony's official firmware to log into the PSN servers so in short they won't even know who is playing an original or pirated game for the simple reason that it's using their own security key. All sony is saying is pure scare tactics in the hope that some people fall for their lies.

Sony can't do a damn thing about this. The CFW uses the same security key as sony's official firmware to log into the PSN servers so in short they won't even know who is playing an original or pirated game for the simple reason that it's using their own security key. All sony is saying is pure scare tactics in the hope that some people fall for their lies.

USS_Data

Yeah... about that. Every time you start a game on your PS3, it is logged into a few files that Sony downloads from your PS3 when it boots up. The pirated games may show up as legit games, but the programs used to get those on the PS3 don't. Also, can't post the source for the disabling homebrew thing, but it explains exactly how Sony can tell what's real and not.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Sony can't do a damn thing about this. The CFW uses the same security key as sony's official firmware to log into the PSN servers so in short they won't even know who is playing an original or pirated game for the simple reason that it's using their own security key. All sony is saying is pure scare tactics in the hope that some people fall for their lies.

king_of_metal

Yeah... about that. Every time you start a game on your PS3, it is logged into a few files that Sony downloads from your PS3 when it boots up. The pirated games may show up as legit games, but the programs used to get those on the PS3 don't. Also, can't post the source for the disabling homebrew thing, but it explains exactly how Sony can tell what's real and not.

• Block any and all forms of Firmware installation except for Game Discs (which have the hardware lock preventing recorded discs from working) and PSN (more below). They may even start monkeying with the Service Mode if they can, to make sure it can't reverse the install.
• Update the PSN loging and update system to go through SSL, using Sony's SSL certificate. As far as is known, that key hasn't been cracked yet.
• Start a basic blacklist of known bad apps (by hash) and start blacklisting PS3's that possess them. Look for any possible backdoors and seal them.
• Start a basic whitelist of important software applications (by hash) and start blacklisting PS3's that use altered apps (yes, they can be signed, but making a signed hack app with the same hash as the original is prohibitively hard).

And I doubt I'm listing all the things Sony can do with this firmware update.

[QUOTE="king_of_metal"]

Oh boy! I can't wait to get banned just because I wanted to program stuff for my PS3.

Crossel777

[QUOTE="king_of_metal"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Sony can't do a damn thing about this. The CFW uses the same security key as sony's official firmware to log into the PSN servers so in short they won't even know who is playing an original or pirated game for the simple reason that it's using their own security key. All sony is saying is pure scare tactics in the hope that some people fall for their lies.

HuusAsking

Yeah... about that. Every time you start a game on your PS3, it is logged into a few files that Sony downloads from your PS3 when it boots up. The pirated games may show up as legit games, but the programs used to get those on the PS3 don't. Also, can't post the source for the disabling homebrew thing, but it explains exactly how Sony can tell what's real and not.

• Block any and all forms of Firmware installation except for Game Discs (which have the hardware lock preventing recorded discs from working) and PSN (more below). They may even start monkeying with the Service Mode if they can, to make sure it can't reverse the install.
• Update the PSN loging and update system to go through SSL, using Sony's SSL certificate. As far as is known, that key hasn't been cracked yet.
• Start a basic blacklist of known bad apps (by hash) and start blacklisting PS3's that possess them. Look for any possible backdoors and seal them.
• Start a basic whitelist of important software applications (by hash) and start blacklisting PS3's that use altered apps (yes, they can be signed, but making a signed hack app with the same hash as the original is prohibitively hard).

And I doubt I'm listing all the things Sony can do with this firmware update.

SSL has been cracked though.

pretty sure if you're smart enough to even mod a console you're smart enough NOT to get banned from using modded console. I don't understand Sony thinking they can do anything about this, look at the PSP for christs sake, why haven't they even remotely curbed that mod scene? Oh yeah, cause they can't.VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="king_of_metal"]

Yeah... about that. Every time you start a game on your PS3, it is logged into a few files that Sony downloads from your PS3 when it boots up. The pirated games may show up as legit games, but the programs used to get those on the PS3 don't. Also, can't post the source for the disabling homebrew thing, but it explains exactly how Sony can tell what's real and not.

rpgs_shall_rule

• Block any and all forms of Firmware installation except for Game Discs (which have the hardware lock preventing recorded discs from working) and PSN (more below). They may even start monkeying with the Service Mode if they can, to make sure it can't reverse the install.
• Update the PSN loging and update system to go through SSL, using Sony's SSL certificate. As far as is known, that key hasn't been cracked yet.
• Start a basic blacklist of known bad apps (by hash) and start blacklisting PS3's that possess them. Look for any possible backdoors and seal them.
• Start a basic whitelist of important software applications (by hash) and start blacklisting PS3's that use altered apps (yes, they can be signed, but making a signed hack app with the same hash as the original is prohibitively hard).

And I doubt I'm listing all the things Sony can do with this firmware update.

SSL has been cracked though.

As in they already know Sony's SSL private key, too? That wouldn't be anywhere in the PS3.HuusAsking

The encryption's been cracked, and they can get the certificate itself by intercepting the packets.

Guess i wont be updating gonna wait a while for all the chinks to get worked out although I'm strictly against piracy the prospect of buying a 1tb to make a backup of all my ps3 games and be able to launch them all from the game menu without having to change disk would be really neat one of the things I really like about the pc is i can have over a hundred of game installed and switch between them with just a few clicks of my mouse no disk swapping which would be a pretty inconvenient. Hope next-gen console have an option to install the full game and play without a disk even it reguires some sort of online check to work I'd be ok with that if my internet goes out i still have the disk just in case. Handhelds would benefit even more from this feature i hope the 3ds and psp2 both have have an option to install my games on them and play them without the need for the umd/cartridge in the game. Or at least offer full digital downloads of the entire game libary for me to buy and install on my 3ds or psp2, not the half-assed selection psp go offered where not all games where available which is just laughable considering it was download only. Of course this is in addition to retail don't want to see the gaming world go download only having choices is always nice.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]As in they already know Sony's SSL private key, too? That wouldn't be anywhere in the PS3.rpgs_shall_rule

The encryption's been cracked, and they can get the certificate itself by intercepting the packets.

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]As in they already know Sony's SSL private key, too? That wouldn't be anywhere in the PS3.HuusAsking

The encryption's been cracked, and they can get the certificate itself by intercepting the packets.

Ya, you're right. I just re-read the article. Guess I should read more carefully in the future.

you need to pay attention

1. Sony will try and ban consoles, those consoles will get unbanned more easy than jtags can

2. Sony can not brick us, but users can brick themselves by installing CFW (but thats besides the point)

3. hackers are allready on PSN if you didnt know (many more will come)

4. firmware updates to stop piracy and cfw are more useless than the PSP updates (its impossible for any FW update to fix this)

5. there is nothing Sony can do but try to ease down the piracy with scare tactics (what they are doing right now)

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]Illegal when used for piracy. Also Sony have every right to ban anyone using homebrew from Playstation Network too if they feel like it. It's their T&C. You agree. You break. No have no excuse.

fusionhunter

I never said it wasn't illegal when used for piracy.... However, Other OS was removed, making any educational use of a personal PS3 impossible and ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT, YOU own your property and have the right to do with it whatever you please unless those acts are illegal. That right supercedes the T&C. Apple and AT&T had to deal with this with iPhone jailbreaking. The Supreme Court reaffirmed the individual's right to use their PROPERTY.

It is just a matter of time before the Supreme Court expands that ruling to include home consoles and home entertainment electronics.

I just hope Sony win by technicality. It's destroying gaming full stop.

It isn't destroying gaming. It is hurting gaming. But EVERY industry has been forced to learn how to adapt. The music industry is just about as strong as it ever was now despite ubiquitous piracy. Home Video sales are better than ever despite rampant piracy. Ebooks have exploded in popularity despite appear AFTER piracy had become common(piracy of books in digital form happened almost before books were widely available in digital form).

The industry just needs to evolve. People are going to pirate. That is a FACT. They WILL manage to figure out how to do it. The fact that the industry has taken up a position of increasing hostility toward it rather than simply improving service to make piracy less desirable shows how out of touch the entire gaming industry is. Gaming SHOULD have been the first industry to push fully into the digital world simply because of the nature of the technology involved and the demographic of gamers. However, gaming has been taking longer than any other industry to push into digital distribution in any significant way.

Gaming needs to evolve. And the appeasement policy that gamers seem to have towards letting publishers and developers constantly drag their feet and make the experience more inconvenient for paying users while the illegal users constantly find ways around everything and end up with a better overall experience is unacceptable.

[QUOTE="Everiez"]

Just like Jailbreak PS3. Your PS3 console won't be able to connect to PSN and can't play online game. They ban your console MAC address and PSN account. I don't know if they can brick your console.

HaloinventedFPS

this is nothing like the jailbreak

PS3 is now as open as a PC, everything sony can do we can do

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Everiez"]

Just like Jailbreak PS3. Your PS3 console won't be able to connect to PSN and can't play online game. They ban your console MAC address and PSN account. I don't know if they can brick your console.

this is nothing like the jailbreak

PS3 is now as open as a PC, everything sony can do we can do

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Sony can't do a damn thing about this. The CFW uses the same security key as sony's official firmware to log into the PSN servers so in short they won't even know who is playing an original or pirated game for the simple reason that it's using their own security key. All sony is saying is pure scare tactics in the hope that some people fall for their lies.

king_of_metal

Yeah... about that. Every time you start a game on your PS3, it is logged into a few files that Sony downloads from your PS3 when it boots up. The pirated games may show up as legit games, but the programs used to get those on the PS3 don't. Also, can't post the source for the disabling homebrew thing, but it explains exactly how Sony can tell what's real and not.

You're talking about the eboot.bin file well guess what you don't need that file to play backups. You just delete the eboot.bin file and then do something and the game works. Like I said Sony can't do a damn thing about it.

[QUOTE="king_of_metal"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Sony can't do a damn thing about this. The CFW uses the same security key as sony's official firmware to log into the PSN servers so in short they won't even know who is playing an original or pirated game for the simple reason that it's using their own security key. All sony is saying is pure scare tactics in the hope that some people fall for their lies.

USS_Data

Yeah... about that. Every time you start a game on your PS3, it is logged into a few files that Sony downloads from your PS3 when it boots up. The pirated games may show up as legit games, but the programs used to get those on the PS3 don't. Also, can't post the source for the disabling homebrew thing, but it explains exactly how Sony can tell what's real and not.

You're talking about the eboot.bin file well guess what you don't need that file to play backups. You just delete the eboot.bin file and then do something and the game works. Like I said Sony can't do a damn thing about it.