SNES is the greatest console of all time.

well great mind and all that :P. though I do disagree heavily with your assessment of Xenogears, I love that shit flaws and all I guess.

I don't think the game is bad at all, it's fascinating (if way too hooky to actually be meaningful), but how it stacks up against some of the best that genre has to offer is unfortunately not all that strong, because that 2nd half is such a missed opportunity.

Yeah it definitely tapers off towards the end. My dream is for the current Xeno games to capture what made that first half so great, unfortunately that's pretty impossible as the tone of both games is so vastly different.

The liberties Xenogears took with the religious overtones was pretty damn fascinating to me at the time, but honestly Illusion of gaia outright had you go kill God, lol. Damn I miss how games back in the day didn't flinch on making the enemy an impossible foe, lol. Nothing is more bad ass than taking on an omnipotent being.

Well I guess there's God of war, but that's a bit different.

Let's be clear, it had the best library of any console. You can argue that. But I dunno, maybe it's just me being semantic, but when you say "greatest console of all time" I immediately think of things inherent to the console, namely hardware.

Also, Mega Man X2 > Mega Man X

I played one game on SNES so i still say ps2

Dreamcast is my best console ever love it to death. however objectively speaking the ps2 is the best console ever tons of games tons of Genres tons of sales it has it all.

I wasn't even gaming when this was a thing!

PS2 is better. There is no debate.

Yes Super Nintendo is my favorite console of all time also. I had played everyone of those games you listed. This is Nintendo's best console that they have ever released.

I owned most of those games that TC mentioned.

SNES=PS2 in my book. Such magnificent libraries on both systems. Anyone claiming otherwise are just being hipsters ;-P

Best thread this year... I want to sticky it for truth.

Damn that was a great time to be a gamer. Having the one-two punch of the SNES and Genesis was an era that will be forever cemented in my psyche.

More like subjective.

Remember that shitty best nintendo console thread and people tried to put the SNES and NES at the bottom below the likes of the Wii and the WiiU? Never forgot that blasphemy Jeff.

Geoff*

And damn you folks for forgetting Dino Crisis, that game is fun as ****.

SNES is such a goldmine man, I just wish the PSP emulators for it didn't suck. My Super Metroid run is stuck halfway through.

One of the few Mikami joints I haven't played, and I've given PN 03 a chance, **** that game sucked.

@jg4xchamp: It's schlocky as most 3D 90s games go when it comes to how it plays, but damn if there isn't tension knowing there's fucking raptors on the loose. Backtracking is unabashedly Resident Evil, but I think you'd enjoy it as RE with a dinosaur skin like RDR is GTA with a Wild West skin.

Maybe, I don't really dig going back to the old re games, with the exception of Resident Evil Remake. That one is a bit more meticulous with its design, the older games have more growing pain and dull action. But eventually I'll give it a go might as well play everything Mikami has directed. His Aladdin game is pretty rad.

@jg4xchamp: I just figure if you're casting votes to a best Nintendo console and the Snes and nes aren't sitting 1-2, you either don't realize just how many relevant franchises/games graced those two consoles, or you weren't around yet to experience it. It's Snes and nes and in terms of Nintendo, then theres the distance to the sun before you start discussing third place.

SNES is an amazing console with a great games library.. Personally I was quite a Sega fanboy back tehn so my console was the MegaDrive (Genesis)..

However spent countless hours gaming at my cousins house (2 minutes away) on the SNES and it was fun.. The good old 90's & 16bit era !!

As for the best ever console, I still believe PS2 takes the crown..

I see what you're saying. And from a revolutionary standpoint, I agree. But the games man, Super Metroid is better than Metroid in every way. So is Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island than any platformer on the NES. LTTP > Zelda 1 and 2 and it isn't close.

But as you say, nothing was like them before the NES. You do indeed have an argument.

Neo Geo was a more powerful console than the SNES and Genesis yes, but look at Blue's Journey. It's a platformer game and doesn't look as good as Yoshi's Island or Sonic 2 by any means.

Nope, 360 holds that title and probably will for the next few decades.

Well I mean, N64 is third place if we want to be objective. But yeah, a distant third place at that. If Gamecube never had Metroid Prime 1 and 2 then it would fall behind the Wii which had the Galaxy games. Shit, Nintendo consoles really are pathetic nowadays. Talk about downhill.

@bobrossperm:

That looks like one cheap game. Time and money, I suppose. Neo Geo is a great console and gets a bad rap because it was the system everybody wanted but could not get--or even was so out of reach that they didn't even think about it.

It is one of the game consoles I'd actually like to have. I'm a big fan of sprite animation and games like Metal Slug are a joy to look at. It has also got great sound.

So in ways I agree with RenegadeFury up there regarding the Genesis. It offers some genres in higher quality than the snes.

Metal Slug is fantastic. Yeah that stuff really showed something that was significantly more powerful than the SNES or Genesis. Same with Art Of Fighting on SNES vs Neo Geo. Neo's sprites were much more impressive.

I did started on SNES back in the early 90s when I was still a brat but the thing is, Star Fox was my first ever game my Parents got for me and boy, I was a Pro day one enjoying the hell out of that game

What I didn't know at the time was that this game could have go the boundaries on SNES with it's super chip that was in the cartridge and SNES could go 3D. Star Fox made history on the SNES but this is not common among gamers and Star Fox 64 also made history on N64 but that's another story.

@davillain- said:

I did started on SNES back in the early 90s when I was still a brat but the thing is, Star Fox was my first ever game my Parents got for me and boy, I was a Pro day one enjoying the hell out of that game

What I didn't know at the time was that this game could have go the boundaries on SNES with it's super chip that was in the cartridge and SNES could go 3D. Star Fox made history on the SNES but this is not common among gamers and Star Fox 64 also made history on N64 but that's another story.

confusing post.

Thought all that was common knowledge. Starfox was the most revolutionary game from that period. First GPU, I believe.

I completely agree. Not only did it have a massive library of first and 3rd party games, the level of quality of many of these games are still unmatched.

Sure PS2 had a huge library, but it didn't have the quality ceiling of SNES. There were a lot of good games, but very few great games IMHO.

@Heirren: My bad, I should have explain it more carefully. I meant that it's not common knowledge to the younger generation of gamers today and yes, older gamers who grew up with Nintendo knows t that Star Fox was revolutionary.

What do you say about the genres the snes didn't meet up to the genesis with?

I agree about the ps2 library as well. It is a good console but it doesn't really excel at anything. I'm not sure it has the best of anything.

Got to also factor in controllers and here the snes is the clear winner vs Genesis. dpad is better and the 6 button layout is better--even for fighters. I never really understood why people wanted 6 face on a control pad. In an arcade machine it works because your hand has immediate access to all 6 buttons. On a controller there's too much thumb movement. Snes controller your fingers are touching all six buttons at all times.

Nope. No way. But rather than list consoles I think are better I'll just leave you with most consoles can provide a list of great games that should not have been missed.

I would have to agree. SNES is my all time favorite console so far.

I think Snes and Megadrive are at the same level.

While thats not a popular opinion, 360 has indeed one of the biggest libraries of quality games out of any system, any gen. 360 is not my number one, but it's clearly in my top 5.

lol No.

There's debate for everything, and I for one do not think the PS2 was the best console ever made. Library aside, that console had problems that prevent that.

Believe me I know that's unpopular here lol

360 was an amazing console tech wise for launching in 2005 that brought HD gaming on consoles, XBLA which added HD and online MP to previous gen games all with free trials, free demos of most 360 games, XBL really set the standard for consoles and the best controller in the biz plus thousands upon thousands of games now that indies suddenly count this gen. :P

The only reason why everyone would say PS2 is the best was the fact it was the first console to have a built-in DVD drive at it's time and DVD was still a thing, not to mention DVD players were more expensive then PS2 making it best Gaming+DVD console combo. PS2 did had the best games on it yes, but I too wouldn't say it was the best console.

Lol, people suddenly thinking in large groups Axelay being a good shooting game the last few years has really just made me lol every time I see it.

Also no. No it's not.

LOL what? Robotrek was garbage. Beat em ups would be made this gen, and SF2 definately would have been made this gen, in fact, they recently released another remakes, expect another one this gen of SF2 STTTSTSTS edition.

Only if you pretend they don't exist.

This didn't actually happen.

And yes there were games like those games, not all games were frogger and misssle command.

PS2 for library.

@TigerSuperman:

The NES didn't turn the industry around? It surely did. Not how one could think otherwise.

And NES controller revolutionize gaming when the gaming was still using the Stick and one button. That should be noted.

Uh no, the NES helped revitalize the VALUE of the industry (industry and consumer are two different things), faster than it was, as the industry was already recovering. gaming wasn't dead, games and consoles were still being sold and companies released, or were planning to release more consoles. Not to mention the NES had two other systems launch at the same time, one of which helped with that (not sega, also I mention this because of this long rumor for years that NES came out in 1985 and sold millions out the gate which never happened it launched in 1986 nationwide). There's a lot of contradicting and fake narratives aroudn the NES, yes it did a service, it's service is often however hyperbole. NES is also a double edge sword, because while it did speed up the process of how much money the industry was generating, it also caused a few issues which is why certain developers/publishers never touched it or jumped off when the SNES came out. So it wasn't all good as people believe.

Because the 2600 was the only way to play games, no other consoles or systems to play games existed, as only the one button Atari 2600 was the ONLY way to play games.

Are you serious?

Look at this one button controller:

SNES is still my all time favorite system. With recent prices my SNES collection is worth a small fortune.

@TigerSuperman:

I can't agree. Nintendo brought videogames back to the limelight. Stores dedicated entire retail areas to the NES. The NES made videogames a viable product again. I'm not sure how this can be disputed.

That doesn´t make SNES the greatest console of all time, it only makes it your favorite console.

It's definitely one of the best, but others will beg to differ. Probably most likely stating awful consoles as the best... as is cool to do these days.

Videogames never died, only think they did was industry value, which is important, but it's nowhere near this belief that video games themselves were dead, game releases and consoles releases during the "death' period is literally proof by itself. I mean, again, NES being more in some stores shelves doesn't mean anything. NES was popular, NES had games on lock, eventually a couple year in NES pretty much wiped out it's closest competitor, that's great, ti was popular, ok, but none of that equates to video games were dead before the NES, all it equates to is the NES was popular and eventually destroyed all that had a 2% chance of taking market share from them. Which wasn't even instant.

I can't see how you can disagree with facts like games STILL being sold, and consoles planning or releasing during the period of "DEAD" and still believe video games were not a thing until the NES it doesn't make sense. You also have to ignore this was a console only situation and pretend computers didn't exist as well.

Video games were never NOT a viable product (Example 1985 the year of the low Atari sold 1 million consoles with no advertising. How would this be possible if video games had no value?). This never happened. Ever. NES brought money to the industry's worth, that's the end of NES involvement. Think of the NES as a jump start for your car, the old jump start was going to work, but the new jump start got you moving faster.

@TigerSuperman:

Agreed, it's a sorta urban myth since I've been gaming longer than most and never stopped and in fact I went with Sega and The Master System. :P

Hey a BOF III fan. Good times.