So are you guys ready to finally see/accept the truth yet...

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article7118570.ece

Surely now you will agree that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft need to start taking Apple's threat to their game business seriously.

I mean if the President of Nintendo is actually saying it himself...

Handhelds? no :P

PC? Probably not.

If I was the president of Sony Computer Entertainment, how would an iPad scare me? PS3 and 360 are made to play video games + more but the iPads arent, video gaming we're just added. I dont see how its a threat to Sony or to Microsoft. As an Mp3 player or laptop sure. but as a video gaming device?

It's funny how all the evidence and signs are there but some people just don't want to see it.

lol

It's funny how all the evidence and signs are there but some people just don't want to see it.

lol

amaneuvering

When playing about with my daughter's Ipod Touch I could immediately see the threat to the DS. I think this has prompted the 3DS to try to keep Nintendo a step ahead. Let's face it, the PSP is becoming a waste of space.

Not sure about the traditional console side of things. I think On Live or similar will take over anyway and anyone will be able to produce a set-top box to receive/play these games.

Anyway, the more competition there is, generally the better it is for us consumers.

When playing about with my daughter's Ipod Touch I could immediately see the threat to the DS. I think this has prompted the 3DS to try to keep Nintendo a step ahead. Let's face it, the PSP is becoming a waste of space.

Not sure about the traditional console side of things. I think On Live or similar will take over anyway and anyone will be able to produce a set-top box to receive/play these games.

Anyway, the more competition there is, generally the better it is for us consumers.

nunchuck47

Handhelds? no :P

PC? Probably not.

gameofthering

apple will never seriously threaten the windows userbase, until they allow other companies to install mac os on pc. aslong as the only legal way to get apple os is to pay 1000 or so for a mac then microsoft has nothing to worry about.

as for handhelds ipod and iphone have completely different markets so you can't compare sales vs sales directly. although if apple gets some serious gaming talent on board, and start some 1st party developers up, then it might be interesting. but hardware sales will never count until a dedicated handheld is released and not a phone or mp3 player with the ability to run apps as it currently is.

You worms (that's what we're calling Apple fanboys right?) have a long way to go before you can be considered mighty.

Apple's best attempt at breaching the gaming market so far has been to create a bunch of remarkably sub-par games and lazy ports for the Iphone and Ipad that barely even stand up to flash games.

I don't think anyone with an actual market in gaming needs to be concerned just yet.

Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft must combine to make the Sonytendosoft and defeat the evil Apple! :P

Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft must combine to make the Sonytendosoft and defeat the evil Apple! :P

svenus97

Nintonysoft sounds better lol

While I can see an Apple branded console being released sooner rather than later, it just doesn't cater well to their business model. Apple relies on sly marketing gimmicks--having customers upgrade every 6 months or so--and with the extended life of consoles these days, that just wouldn't work. On top of that, entering the console market might actually hinder the perception people have of them as the "professionals" machine. Part of the reason they stay away from stressing games is to keep that image. It seems to be changing lately, but there's definitely two sides to the coin.

Apple sucks, their "game platforms" are terrible, they're basically out for the nubs that don't know any better and have tons of muneh. Let them be I say.

Well, the succes of Ipad does leave me with less hope for the human race. Does that count?

This, while being about Sony describes the Ipad accurately.

Edit: Do not watch if you easily take offense.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

It's funny how all the evidence and signs are there but some people just don't want to see it.

lol

hexashadow13

When playing about with my daughter's Ipod Touch I could immediately see the threat to the DS. I think this has prompted the 3DS to try to keep Nintendo a step ahead. Let's face it, the PSP is becoming a waste of space.

Not sure about the traditional console side of things. I think On Live or similar will take over anyway and anyone will be able to produce a set-top box to receive/play these games.

Anyway, the more competition there is, generally the better it is for us consumers.

nunchuck47

[QUOTE="gameofthering"]

Handhelds? no :P

PC? Probably not.

Mckenna1845

apple will never seriously threaten the windows userbase, until they allow other companies to install mac os on pc. aslong as the only legal way to get apple os is to pay 1000 or so for a mac then microsoft has nothing to worry about.

as for handhelds ipod and iphone have completely different markets so you can't compare sales vs sales directly. although if apple gets some serious gaming talent on board, and start some 1st party developers up, then it might be interesting. but hardware sales will never count until a dedicated handheld is released and not a phone or mp3 player with the ability to run apps as it currently is.

If it were just about Apple releasing another hand held games console I really wouldn't be wasting time on threads like this.

People don't seem to quite understand that it's the very fact that the iPhone is a phone (a device that in this day and age is considered almost essential and that almost everyone in the civilized world has), that is also slowly becoming a serious games machine too, that is the biggest threat and trump card against the other gaming companies.

Pretty much everyone carries a phone these days and as devices like the iPhone become these serious games devices very soon there won't be much of an incentive for the average person to bother carrying around an additional dedicated games console at all, and especially when they can just get their gaming fix on this single device they always have with them (and almost every other fix it seems too such as movies, music, books, games, Apps, phone etc etc etc).That's what Nintendo, Sony and even Microsoft have to worry about because Apple is uniquely positioned to get their device into more people's hands than anyone else and if that device just happens to be a portable games console to boot then most of those same people aren't going to bother with other games devices just for the sake of it.

I think the main point I am getting at is that as more people buy an iPhone or iPad, and see just how good they are as games devices too (and for most people trust me they are going to be perfectly happy with their games functionality), less and less people are going to go out and buy another expensive and separate dedicated games console. That has to mean at some point that Apple's products are going to be a direct threat to the sales of any products that compete in the same functionality, and that includes moves and music and books too as well as games.

This is really the first time there's even been a phone that we can take seriously as a games device, from both a hardware and software/service perspective, and that's a major difference between now and in the past when some slightly ignorant people claimed phones were going to replace hand held games consoles.

With devices like the iPhone and iPad Apple has a near perfect combination of hardware, software and services, unlike nearly every single other company out there imo, and all the pieces are in place to make Apple's domination in the games space a very likely reality in the not too distant future.

Apple is a huge threat to any company currently involved in gaming with their iPhone and iPad hardware and software/service solutions (and certainly those involved in portable gaming for sure).

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

apple will never seriously threaten the windows userbase, until they allow other companies to install mac os on pc. aslong as the only legal way to get apple os is to pay 1000 or so for a mac then microsoft has nothing to worry about.

as for handhelds ipod and iphone have completely different markets so you can't compare sales vs sales directly. although if apple gets some serious gaming talent on board, and start some 1st party developers up, then it might be interesting. but hardware sales will never count until a dedicated handheld is released and not a phone or mp3 player with the ability to run apps as it currently is.

amaneuvering

If it were just about Apple releasing another hand held games console I really wouldn't be wasting time on threads like this.

People don't seem to quite understand that it's the very fact that the iPhone a phone, that is slowly becoming a serious games machine too, that is the biggest threat and trump card here.

Pretty much everyone carries a phone these days and as devices like the iPhone become these serious games devices very soon there won't be much of an incentive for the average person to bother carrying around an additional dedicated games console at all, and especially when they can just get their gaming fix on this single device they always have with them (and almost every other fix it seems too such as movies, music, books, games, Apps, phone etc etc etc).That's what Nintendo, Sony and even Microsoft have to worry about because Apple is uniquely positioned to get their device into more people's hands than anyone else and if that device just happens to be a portable games console to boot then most of those same people aren't going to bother with other games devices just for the sake of it.

I think the main point I am getting at is that as more people buy an iPhone or iPad, and see just how good they are as games devices too (and for most people trust me they are going to be perfectly happy with their games functionality), less and less people are going to go out and buy another expensive and separate dedicated games console. That has to mean at some point that Apple's products are going to be a direct threat to the sales of any products that compete in the same functionality, and that includes moves and music and books too as well as games.

Apple is a huge threat to any company currently involved in gaming with their iPhone and iPad hardware and software/service solutions (and certainly those involved in portable gaming for sure).

ah yeah i get your point. that could definitely be the direction the handhelds will go in, because all-in-one device >>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple devices. in it's current form though, the iphone etc. at least from my perspective is still primarily a phone, tablet or mp3 player. to say the ipad/iphone has sold x million units so can now be considered a ds beater, can't really be directly compared (you didn't say this).

if they start some 1st party teams, and get some exclusive support and not some ports/flash type game then i think they would be a serious threat. in their current form i still think it's more of an additional function, and not a ds/psp replacement.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

apple will never seriously threaten the windows userbase, until they allow other companies to install mac os on pc. aslong as the only legal way to get apple os is to pay 1000 or so for a mac then microsoft has nothing to worry about.

as for handhelds ipod and iphone have completely different markets so you can't compare sales vs sales directly. although if apple gets some serious gaming talent on board, and start some 1st party developers up, then it might be interesting. but hardware sales will never count until a dedicated handheld is released and not a phone or mp3 player with the ability to run apps as it currently is.

Mckenna1845

If it were just about Apple releasing another hand held games console I really wouldn't be wasting time on threads like this.

People don't seem to quite understand that it's the very fact that the iPhone a phone, that is slowly becoming a serious games machine too, that is the biggest threat and trump card here.

Pretty much everyone carries a phone these days and as devices like the iPhone become these serious games devices very soon there won't be much of an incentive for the average person to bother carrying around an additional dedicated games console at all, and especially when they can just get their gaming fix on this single device they always have with them (and almost every other fix it seems too such as movies, music, books, games, Apps, phone etc etc etc).That's what Nintendo, Sony and even Microsoft have to worry about because Apple is uniquely positioned to get their device into more people's hands than anyone else and if that device just happens to be a portable games console to boot then most of those same people aren't going to bother with other games devices just for the sake of it.

I think the main point I am getting at is that as more people buy an iPhone or iPad, and see just how good they are as games devices too (and for most people trust me they are going to be perfectly happy with their games functionality), less and less people are going to go out and buy another expensive and separate dedicated games console. That has to mean at some point that Apple's products are going to be a direct threat to the sales of any products that compete in the same functionality, and that includes moves and music and books too as well as games.

Apple is a huge threat to any company currently involved in gaming with their iPhone and iPad hardware and software/service solutions (and certainly those involved in portable gaming for sure).

ah yeah i get your point. that could definitely be the direction the handhelds will go in, because all-in-one device >>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple devices. in it's current form though, the iphone etc. at least from my perspective is still primarily a phone, tablet or mp3 player. to say the ipad/iphone has sold x million units so can now be considered a ds beater, can't really be directly compared (you didn't say this).

if they start some 1st party teams, and get some exclusive support and not some ports/flash type game then i think they would be a serious threat. in their current form i still think it's more of an additional function, and not a ds/psp replacement.

You guys are so gullible. Apple has never been even kinda-good for games. All they're good at is producing over-priced gimmicks. PC will always -- ALWAYS -- be superior to Apple platforms for gaming. And no, Apple wont make a console that threatens M$, Sony, or Nintendo...

I can definitely see iphones/droid phones enroaching heavily on the ds/psp because as mentioned, its an all in one device. Not only that, but things like the app store can give some pretty good games for only small amounts of money, e.g £2 and so easily get away as an impulse purchase and appear better value, while ds/psp games are £20+ and aren't something most simply buy on a whim etc.

JONO51

You guys are so gullible. Apple has never been even kinda-good for games. All they're good at is producing over-priced gimmicks. PC will always -- ALWAYS -- be superior to Apple platforms for gaming. And no, Apple wont make a console that threatens M$, Sony, or Nintendo...

trollop_scat

See, the problem with your thinking imo is that you're stuck looking at the past and basically using that to try to predict what's going to happen in the future, even though things have CLEARLY changed with Apple since oh so many years ago, whereas I'm looking at the present domination that Apple has in the music player and phone markets, and soon to be ebook market too, both hardware and software by the way, as well as their obvious new attitude towards and focus on gaming, and projecting that forwards to see what is most likely going to happen in the future based on the current trends.

I think I'm probably being a little more analytical here and ultimately I think what I am saying is far more likely to happen than what you appear to be stuck on.

Also, they've already made the "console" that will threaten Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony.

It's called the iPhone (and iPad so some extent too).

Kinda the whole point of my post...

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article7118570.ece

Surely now you will agree that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft need to start taking Apple's threat to their game business seriously.

I mean if the President of Nintendo is actually saying it himself...

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article7118570.ece

Surely now you will agree that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft need to start taking Apple's threat to their game business seriously.

I mean if the President of Nintendo is actually saying it himself...

When playing about with my daughter's Ipod Touch I could immediately see the threat to the DS. I think this has prompted the 3DS to try to keep Nintendo a step ahead. Let's face it, the PSP is becoming a waste of space.

Not sure about the traditional console side of things. I think On Live or similar will take over anyway and anyone will be able to produce a set-top box to receive/play these games.

Anyway, the more competition there is, generally the better it is for us consumers.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article7118570.ece

Surely now you will agree that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft need to start taking Apple's threat to their game business seriously.

I mean if the President of Nintendo is actually saying it himself...

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article7118570.ece

Surely now you will agree that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft need to start taking Apple's threat to their game business seriously.

I mean if the President of Nintendo is actually saying it himself...

amaneuvering

It's funny how all the evidence and signs are there but some people just don't want to see it.

lol

the iFad is not a real gaming device - when it has games the quality of FFIV DS or MGS: Peace Walker, we'll talk. Until then, its a mini-game haven and shouldn't even be compared to real systems.spence1988

if its like most iPhone games, we'll be seeing the PSP mini version very soon lol and although I'm sure this game is good as an app game, I doubt it actually compares to full fledged games as the review tries to suggest.spence1988

the touch is cool, and its got some neat games but no I dont see it getting anywhere near the level of the DS or PSP anytime in the near future.

IDK about mac, maybe now that its getting steam supporti t could rise up as a platform but IM not seeing that as likely either tbh with you.

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

If it were just about Apple releasing another hand held games console I really wouldn't be wasting time on threads like this.

People don't seem to quite understand that it's the very fact that the iPhone a phone, that is slowly becoming a serious games machine too, that is the biggest threat and trump card here.

Pretty much everyone carries a phone these days and as devices like the iPhone become these serious games devices very soon there won't be much of an incentive for the average person to bother carrying around an additional dedicated games console at all, and especially when they can just get their gaming fix on this single device they always have with them (and almost every other fix it seems too such as movies, music, books, games, Apps, phone etc etc etc).That's what Nintendo, Sony and even Microsoft have to worry about because Apple is uniquely positioned to get their device into more people's hands than anyone else and if that device just happens to be a portable games console to boot then most of those same people aren't going to bother with other games devices just for the sake of it.

I think the main point I am getting at is that as more people buy an iPhone or iPad, and see just how good they are as games devices too (and for most people trust me they are going to be perfectly happy with their games functionality), less and less people are going to go out and buy another expensive and separate dedicated games console. That has to mean at some point that Apple's products are going to be a direct threat to the sales of any products that compete in the same functionality, and that includes moves and music and books too as well as games.

Apple is a huge threat to any company currently involved in gaming with their iPhone and iPad hardware and software/service solutions (and certainly those involved in portable gaming for sure).

amaneuvering

ah yeah i get your point. that could definitely be the direction the handhelds will go in, because all-in-one device >>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple devices. in it's current form though, the iphone etc. at least from my perspective is still primarily a phone, tablet or mp3 player. to say the ipad/iphone has sold x million units so can now be considered a ds beater, can't really be directly compared (you didn't say this).

if they start some 1st party teams, and get some exclusive support and not some ports/flash type game then i think they would be a serious threat. in their current form i still think it's more of an additional function, and not a ds/psp replacement.

It being a phone is part of the problem as well. Contracts and frequent upgrades will keep it from succeeding as a gaming platform. Nintendo and Sony have supported a consistent device for over 5 years. The chances of apple settling on a tech for the games is EXTREMELY slim. You really think Apple will have a mobile phone/game platform that remains static for years? Look what happened to SEga--people LOVED the Master System and Genesis, and then they released update after update and people eventually lost faith. The saturn and dreamcast failed because of this. I wont deny that Apple is the "it" name at teh moment, but so was sega back at that time.

And the problem is they really can't settle on a standard, because the biggest initial buyers are the tech savy and business types that WANT, and don't mind, upgrading every 8 months. The mobile game and techie market is a split one.

Man this TC has an extreme hardon for apple...all his posts are about how the Ipod touch is the next big gaming handheld when it cant even hold a flame to the old barcode Tiger handhelds...

touch screen controls = FAIL. Move along man...move along.

Sony's definitely getting beaten out of the handheld race next gen. iPhone came in and slaughtered it within 2 years, and the PSP is currently being annihilitated in software sales by both the NDS and iPhone.

Nintendo has such a huge list of IPs that sell their handhelds. Pokemon alone is enough let alone the dozens of other games.

Nintendo is correct in thinking of Apple as more of a threat than Sony is.

Ipad = daeth to all ps3s, 360s, and wiis. :lol:

Sony's definitely getting beaten out of the handheld race next gen. iPhone came in and slaughtered it within 2 years, and the PSP is currently being annihilitated in software sales by both the NDS and iPhone.

Nintendo has such a huge list of IPs that sell their handhelds. Pokemon alone is enough let alone the dozens of other games.

Nintendo is correct in thinking of Apple as more of a threat than Sony is.

treedoor

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Sony's definitely getting beaten out of the handheld race next gen. iPhone came in and slaughtered it within 2 years, and the PSP is currently being annihilitated in software sales by both the NDS and iPhone.

Nintendo has such a huge list of IPs that sell their handhelds. Pokemon alone is enough let alone the dozens of other games.

Nintendo is correct in thinking of Apple as more of a threat than Sony is.

Respawn-d

The PSP sold on brand power alone. Sony was the big dog of the industry when the system first released.

However, the thing sells software like crap. The iPhone and NDS sell software like not-crap.

Software developers are going to focus a much larger shift on the iPhone and the 3DS. PSP does still get a few titles that are good, but I feel that has mroe to do with the fanbase. MGS fans aren't going to own an iPhone or NDS for the next Metal Gear game.

But the PSP isn't going to have the graphics advantage that it had this gen. Any dev that's smart is going to produce their good looking titles on the next Nintendo handheld, or the iPhone. It'd be stupid to shoot for great sales on the worst selling system with 11% of the software market. 11% compared to the iPhones 19% (which overtook the PSP in one year), and the NDS with 70%.

Last year alone the PSP had roughly 125 reviewed games on Metacritic. The closest system to it was the PS3 with 225ish, and the NDS has like 350.

Developers are leaving the PSP in droves. It's as simple as that, and next gen I can only forsee an outcome where Sony gets slaughtered as hard as they did when the iPod came out in competition with Sony's line of music players. Nobody goes around calling music players "Walkman" anymore

Developers are leaving the PSP in droves. It's as simple as that, and next gen I can only forsee an outcome where Sony gets slaughtered as hard as they did when the iPod came out in competition with Sony's line of music players. Nobody goes around calling music players "Walkman" anymore

treedoor

Not exactly. Ready At Dawn is returning to make God of War : Ghost of Sparta, Valkyria Chronicles has its sequel made on the PSP instead of the PS3, Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep which has been highly rated is coming out and the success of Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker in Japan and the potential success it will have in other countries is so high that Konami is thinking of porting it on the PS3.

Not to mention, E3 has yet to show new releases. Who knows? A better Assassin's Creed game? or maybe a new Uncharted game (devs said they'd love to make episodical adventures of Uncharted on the PSP.

I'm pretty optimistic about the PSP. Sure, it may not have enough games as the DS or its number of AAA titles on Metacritic, but it's a great system.

Also, the Digital Comics for the PSP has begun and is doing pretty damn well.

And as for being slaughtered, it managed to sell 60 million despite having a juggernaut of a rival called the DS. That just shows how the PSP can hold its ground. Apple will never be a gaming company like the Big 3 (Nintendo,Sony and Microsoft) and what they are trying to pull off is a lazy attempt to make more cash.

Man this TC has an extreme hardon for apple...all his posts are about how the Ipod touch is the next big gaming handheld when it cant even hold a flame to the old barcode Tiger handhelds...

touch screen controls = FAIL. Move along man...move along.

SRTtoZ

They are making a peripheral because the touch screen controls are poor. And guess what? You have to pay for it too.

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