So Bayonetta 2 bombs in Japan

so is this the media create thread?

or can i make a real one....

the ps4 numbers have gone up2k this month and the vita numbers have finally gone down the crapper in japan.

vita has been sub 13k for 2 weeks straight.

also the ps4 bump from destiny is pretty much over.

"This is bullshit!" - Jim Raynor

In the N64 era, Nintendo fans supported Acclaim (Turok), Lucasarts (various Star Wars games), and Rare (okay, the last one was technically a second party, but Nintendo only had like, lower than a half of shares of them, so they kind of count)

The GC era, they supported Namco (Soul Calibur II, Tales of Symphonia), Lucasarts (Rogue Squadron II), TT games (LEGO), Capcom (RE4), SEGA (Sonic series).

Wii? Well, SEGA (Sonic series), Activision (some CoD games, Guitar Hero III, Guitar Hero World Tour), TT games (LEGO), Capcom (RE4, Monster Hunter, and to an extent, TvsC), and Harmonix (Rock Band) all seem to have gotten hits on that console.

Capcom even has some decent selling games on the 3DS, ESPECIALLY Monster Hunter.

Sure almost none of those games (bar Rare on the N64) ever hit the top five, but to say Nintendo fans don't accept outsiders is absolute BS.

The original was on the PS3 and 360 and it sold poorly.

actually vgchartz says it sold 1million on ps3 and 800k on 360.

Bayonetta isn't a high school girl, chibi, or hentai or a rpg about high school kids. It was doomed from the start.

Having said that I preordered mine.

Not exactly; if their games keep bombing or under-performing, it's going to eventually turn publishers away from investing in distributing their games. That was already the case with this game, where Sega refused to publish it and Nintendo had to come to the rescue.

It wasn't, it's not all that popular of a game to begin with lol.

Except no one here knows what actually qualifies as under performing.

Critically they do fine, and have hit their incentives. Production wise, no one that has played a Platinum game can really be thinking those games are on some insane budget, if anything they are just a well managed mercenary studio at this point. As long as the quality of their games are good pubs will take chances on them, based purely on the fact that they know they are getting a good game. Meaning they just need to figure out how to market it, and plenty of publishers have enough hubris to think they can do it.

If Platinum was pulling some Square or Capcom shit this would be an issue, but in a lot of ways they've been a glorified indie dev.

She looks like a women. To sell in japan you need your main character to look like a loli.

well over here i can't buy it until the 10th of October.

but i'm no sheep.

Since the game was released on the Wii U, this is not surprising. At least we should be concerned over the game's quality than its sales.

And speaking of Bayonetta's popularity, several years back in a Famitsu poll, she was ranked in the Top 20 among popular video game characters in Japan. She does have an appeal among the Japanese.

But how much the first one sold in Japan?

vgchartz says 200k 360/ps3 combined

Shitty franchise, not surprised.

Doesn't surprise me.

I'm only basing this off of the first Bayonetta since apparently it didn't meet Sega's expectations. Yeah it's true that the bar varies publisher to publisher, but I can't imagine Nintendo investing in any more Platinum Games is Bayo2 underwhelms just like The Wonderful 101.

How about them xbone sales, LOL

Already has the 1/8th of the combined sales in a single week,not bad

From what I hear it only had one day to rank. So those aren't a full weeks sales. That and the fact that Japanese sales figures tend to be small anyway. Wait for it to be out for a month and then compare it against other software released within the month.

SEGA is just a publisher though. Nintendo, like Microsoft, can afford to fund and release exclusive games they already know will probably bomb.

Why do they do this? As console makers it is their job to fill holes that their first party teams can't cover. Thats why MS is funding a Kamiya action exclusive game and why nintendo secured the sequel to Bayo2, brought Bayo1 to the Wii U, salvaged Devil's Third and keeps funding Fatal Frame games. They know these games by themselves won't move systems, but covering all genres with quality games help to slowly make their product more appealing.

Thats why when I hear people genuinely arguing in favor of nintendo going third party I can't help but laugh. You would be worse off as consumer if that happened as there would be NO need for them to go through the supermarket list of genres and checking the boxes with niche games like Sin and Punishment 2 or Bayonetta 2. Just look at how many IPs SEGA has dropped since they went third party.

Don't worry about Bayo2. It will be critically very well received. It will sell like shit. Nintendo already expected this but got their hit out of the deal that they themselves couldn't develop. Platinum moves on to their next contract.

If the Wii U at least stabilizes at a number where nintendo is more comfortable with it, don't be surprised if they fund Bayonetta 3 to keep that top of the line character-action feather on their cap. Thats what the Mario Kart 8s of the world are for, to balance the "financial loss" of the Bayonettas.

And this is a surprise why??

Meh, I really don't think anyone halfway reasonable actually expected this game to do all that well. It's a niche game from a niche developer, and its predecessor, selling to an audience of over 40 million, couldn't achieve even 2 million worldwide, so it was highly unlikely that this was ever going to set sales records.

when even the Japanese are too embarrassed to go out in public and be seen buying your s&m fetish game you know you got trouble.

WiiU people just want Mario etc. Otherwise they'd get a ps4/one right? Sad to hear it though, maybe they'll port it after poor sales to cash some profit. I'd get it day one.

One thing that i'm genuinely curious about is if Platinum would get away with self-publishing Bayonetta 2 as a digital download on PS4 and PC. Maybe even Xbox One with Scalebound being a thing.

This is exactly right, I mean sure the sales of Bayonetta 2 might not impact their paycheck in the short term, but in the long term piss poor sales mean less demand for another title. Unless Ninty continue to pay them to make games that dont sell, which may well be the case, but its not something that can continue indefinitely...shame really.

Personally I wasnt a huge fan of the first game, fun for a brief moment but zero replayability and the humour....meh. Charmless after a half hour.

Cannot wait for it to release. Wonderful 101 was great and so was Mad World, Vanquish, Bayonetta. I definitely know I will replay the first again and then jump into Bayonetta 2.

man, i dont know why japanese gamers dont like console or console games. Its not like this is call of duty, its an all out action packed game that is really quirky in its storyline.

I don't think the point of Nintendo taking charge of Bayonetta 2 was ever to make it a massive commercial success. Would they have liked that? Sure. (Of course.) But I think of Bayonetta 2 much in the same way HBO views a lot of its television shows: Its purpose is to generate acclaim and buzz -- for Nintendo to be able to say strong content is associated with the brand. That's always been something Nintendo's been able to boast about, and Bayonetta brings more bragging rights to the table while appealing to a different audience this time -- a hardcore audience. So, my bet here, is that even though 39,000 isn't a big number, those 39,000 people are buyers Nintendo desperately wants to court. They're not the same folks who are purchasing Mario 3D World or Mario Kart 8, and that's of particular importance for Wii U's long-game.

Question : When was Bayonetta 2 launched and when was the numbers calculated?

Who honestly thought this game was gonna sell well? Did anyone? The only thing I care about is that the game actually exists, and so far the few reviews and hands on impressions show that this game is gonna be one of the best of the year.

@flashn00b: No. That is never gonna happen. Its Segas IP, but nintendo paid for the assets that went onto making that particular game.

Goes without saying that Platinum has jack shit to say on this matter.

Pretty much everyone predicted it would do poorly. I'm actually surprised that it sold that much to be honest. I doubt it will do much better anywhere else. I'm not a fan of Bayonettrash or platinum games so I have to admit that I'm enjoying the news.

LOL You have no idea how Japan is very insular and one dimensional and doesn't appreciate foreign games. Japan becoming irrelevant is the result.

They'll announce it next week in game magazines.

You guys DO realize that Super Smash Bros. for 3DS JUST came out in Japan...Right?

Platinum Games really deserves a lot more recognition.

Like a lot of Platinum's games, I doubt they'll have to sell many to turn a profit. Will be interesting to see if it even makes it to 1 mil worldwide, or if they and Nintendo even care.

They ARE recognized. They have many ex-Capcom staff there. Apart from the blue chips like Capcom, Square Enix and Namco Bandai etc., I'd say Platinum Games is among the top non-blue chip companies which gamers actually know about

For shame. Was hoping the game would sell well. Now I feel like I should buy it at launch to support it even more now...

@DocSanchez: Doesn't really change the fact that the Japanese Nintendo supporters seem to be supporting this game better than the Japanese Sony supporters are supporting any game.

?... The only thing that's a surprise is that there is another Bayonetta.

Gamers need to understand that sales matter more than anything... Bayonetta sold struggled to break 2 million sales total, Borderlands was pushing 6 million on consoles alone and it was from a studio that up until that point was failing. God of War 3 sold 4 million and its exclusive.

Nintendo getting a exclusive for a game that struggled to sell 2 million on 360 and PS3 total... On the Wii U?... Sounds like a recipe for success?!.

And yet, it still managed to sold more than any other console game...what the hell Japan ?

flop confirmed in NA

Todays gamers are idiots they wouldn't know a good game if they saw one. When a game like Watch Dogs can sell millions and yet a game like Bayonetta gets over looked.

Bayonetta 2 is the strangest choice for a Wii U exclusive game. Why? Like, why Bayonetta? Why the sequel? I don't get it. Never understood this marketing move. No one cares about this game enough to buy a Wii U... and Wii U owners don't care about this game.

Jesus, Bayo 1 sold more on the Xbox 360 in Japan with a muchsmaller install base than the Wii U.

Hey Pramath, maybe instead of kidnapping undocumented children from the border you could start buying some Wii U games? You should convince your fellow sheep to start doing the same instead of flooding forums with their Nintendo Defense Force routines every time someone questions Daddy Nintendo.