so can we agree now the ps3 is more powerful?

[QUOTE="dethroned3"]

[QUOTE="NBSRDan"]So, you are assuming that all of my facts are false because you deem the source as untrusted. Well then, please tell me, what are the TRUE hardware specifications of the generation 7 home consoles? Is the Playstation 3 processor NOT a 3.2 Ghz Cell Broadband Engine and actually a 4.0 Ghz dual-core IBM PowerPC? Come on, I want numbers!NBSRDan

THIS WAS WHAT YOU SAID:

"The Playstation 3 processor is over 4 times as fast as that of the Wii, and about equal to that of the Xbox 360. Its graphics card is about 10% more powerful than that of the Xbox 360, and a little over twice as powerful as that of the Wii. It has less than half the RAM of either Wii or Xbox 360. And these aren't my experiences, these are facts I just looked up on Wikipedia. "

those are false.

why the hell did you just bring up the 3.2 Ghz thing?

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]That logic makes no sense. mutliplats are only as good as the port.djsifer01

[QUOTE="NBSRDan"][QUOTE="dethroned3"]

THIS WAS WHAT YOU SAID:

"The Playstation 3 processor is over 4 times as fast as that of the Wii, and about equal to that of the Xbox 360. Its graphics card is about 10% more powerful than that of the Xbox 360, and a little over twice as powerful as that of the Wii. It has less than half the RAM of either Wii or Xbox 360. And these aren't my experiences, these are facts I just looked up on Wikipedia. "

those are false.

why the hell did you just bring up the 3.2 Ghz thing?

Steppy_76

Right it takes some understanding of how they work and what you are trying to do. Fortunately I understand this even though people here tell me I don't know what i'mt alking about here all the time, which is funny in itself.

I'm Just gonna say that PS3 is stronger then the Xbox 360 CPU-wise and the 360 is stronger on the GPU side

sam890

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]That logic makes no sense. mutliplats are only as good as the port.djsifer01

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]That logic makes no sense. mutliplats are only as good as the port.djsifer01

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="NBSRDan"]If the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 each employ exactly one processor whose speed averages 3.2 on the same system of measurement, then their processors are of equal power. If you tell me that the two processors employed by the aforementioned consoles are not of equal power, then you are saying that one or both does not average a speed of 3.2 Ghz. If you can prove that the PS3 and '360 employ processors of different power, then I am wrong, and if I can prove that their processors are of the same power, then you are wrong. In either case, the wrongness is a factual statement.Walker34

Right it takes some understanding of how they work and what you are trying to do. Fortunately I understand this even though people here tell me I don't know what i'mt alking about here all the time, which is funny in itself.

[QUOTE="Walker34"]

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]There is no system of measurement, Mhz/Ghz is a measurement of frequency. To get the most basic idea of how powerful these processors are, you have to take that frequency and multiply it by how much work that architecture can do in each cycle. We've got TONS of examples of equivilently clocked processors performing drastically different in the IT world(most famously probably the Pentium 4 vs. the Athlon XP).

Steppy_76

Right it takes some understanding of how they work and what you are trying to do. Fortunately I understand this even though people here tell me I don't know what i'mt alking about here all the time, which is funny in itself.

Or coming from someone on system wars you saying that doesn't mean a whole lot. Actually you saying pretty much voids any credibility you have.

The Playstation 3 processor is over 4 times as fast as that of the Wii, and about equal to that of the Xbox 360. Its graphics card is about 10% more powerful than that of the Xbox 360, and a little over twice as powerful as that of the Wii. It has less than half the RAM of either Wii or Xbox 360. And these aren't my experiences, these are facts I just looked up on Wikipedia.NBSRDan

what a minute... you're saying the ps3 processor is over 4 times faster than the wii's because.... the cell has 3.2ghz and the wii has.... 729mhz???

and you're saying the wii has twice the ram than the ps3's because... the wii has 512mb flash storage?

that's some fundamentally flawed logic.

and by your logic the xbox 360 processor is 3 times more powerful than the cell, because its actually a tricore cpu, meaning.... it has 9.6 ghz compared to the cell's measly 3.2

[QUOTE="sam890"]

I'm Just gonna say that PS3 is stronger then the Xbox 360 CPU-wise and the 360 is stronger on the GPU side

Supa__Mario

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] How do you know?vaderhater

Just because you think it, does not mean it's true TC.

From what we've seen, they are fairly even, both outclassing each other in different instances.

As for which is more powerful? How is a general forum goer going to know? Unless they have experience dev'ing on both consoles.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="Walker34"]

Right it takes some understanding of how they work and what you are trying to do. Fortunately I understand this even though people here tell me I don't know what i'mt alking about here all the time, which is funny in itself.

Walker34

Or coming from someone on system wars you saying that doesn't mean a whole lot. Actually you saying pretty much voids any credibility you have.

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="sam890"]

I'm Just gonna say that PS3 is stronger then the Xbox 360 CPU-wise and the 360 is stronger on the GPU side

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] How do you know?Steppy_76

Funny. http://www.videogamer.com/news/fary_cry_2_dev_pleased_by_ps3_spu_efficiency.html

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] ...then why do ps3 exclusives look better......Supa__Mario

man conviction looks just as good as uncharted and Alan wake owns all.

i think that the PS3 is slightly more powerful, but its really a draw between the two.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] ...then why do ps3 exclusives look better......Supa__Mario

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Its easy, a game is developed for a specific system, the derv then has a port kit for the other systems. The game will look the best on the lead platform is was developed on which in most cases is the 360. That is why most multiplats look the best on the 360. djsifer01

[QUOTE="Walker34"]

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]To be honest, you don't know really what you're talking about. Most of the stuff in your posts this thread has been either wrong, or nonsensical suppositions.

Steppy_76

Or coming from someone on system wars you saying that doesn't mean a whole lot. Actually you saying pretty much voids any credibility you have.

Just because you know what frequency is, doesn't mean you can see past what is right in front of you either. I work with techs all the time who can't tell their ass from their elbow. Speaking of which one of my techs who knows the subject matter just improperly installed antivirus software on our network when the systems were not set up to handle it. I in turn corrected the problem because he wasn't able to. I read the things you said man and it's all great. But that doesn't mean you see the bigger picture either. If you think you know everything that pretty much says it all right there. I don't know everything and i don't pretend to. You apparently do. Which leads me to believe you don't.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Its easy, a game is developed for a specific system, the derv then has a port kit for the other systems. The game will look the best on the lead platform is was developed on which in most cases is the 360. That is why most multiplats look the best on the 360. djsifer01

only the devs know.. but based on the games released maybe yes.. but the difference is minimal.

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]Please give the whole list of multiplats between the 360 and PS3 and then beside each game make a note of which system got the port or if two teams did them at the same time k. Otherwise you are talking out of your ass. No 360 game made by a first party dev has enjoyed the time support and money of KZ2.

Steppy_76

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="Walker34"]

Or coming from someone on system wars you saying that doesn't mean a whole lot. Actually you saying pretty much voids any credibility you have.

Walker34

Just because you know what frequency is, doesn't mean you can see past what is right in front of you either. I work with techs all the time who can't tell their ass from their elbow. Speaking of which one of my techs who knows the subject matter just improperly installed antivirus software on our network when the systems were not capable of handling it. I in turn corrected the problem. I read the things you said man and it's all great. But that doesn't mean you see the bigger picture either.

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]Ok then suppose the same game same devs spent the same amount of time and money on a 360 version? How would it look?

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Its easy, a game is developed for a specific system, the derv then has a port kit for the other systems. The game will look the best on the lead platform is was developed on which in most cases is the 360. That is why most multiplats look the best on the 360. djsifer01

i think that the PS3 is slightly more powerful, but its really a draw between the two.

clone01

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]You do know that this "lead system" version garbage started THIS gen because cows were deperate to explain why the new PS3 couldn't outshine the older 360 from day one right? The PS2 was the lead platform for almost all titles last gen and the "ports" to the xbox were better almost universally. Never before has a system released a year later had so little success displaying a power advantage over the old system.

Steppy_76

i think that the PS3 is slightly more powerful, but its really a draw between the two.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Multiplats dont take advantage of SPUs, prove me wrong.djsifer01

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]Please give the whole list of multiplats between the 360 and PS3 and then beside each game make a note of which system got the port or if two teams did them at the same time k. Otherwise you are talking out of your ass. No 360 game made by a first party dev has enjoyed the time support and money of KZ2.

vaderhater

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Honestly i dont really care. I like the PS3 miles better than my 360. I was explaining how multiplats are produced.djsifer01

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]No, you made a claim that the lead platform always gets the best version, and I showed that statement to be completely wrong. Now that the statement is shown to be wrong, and you "don't really care"(even though your posting history suggests otherwise). Like your PS3 more than the 360 all you want, cool. Don't use BS to support unproven claims though.

Steppy_76

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Multiplats dont take advantage of SPUs, prove me wrong.djsifer01

I agree PS3 is more powerful than 360, BUT power means nothing if the devs aren't using it.

unknown37

I agree PS3 is more powerful than 360, BUT power means nothing if the devs aren't using it.

[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]Here http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-crysis-2-pushes-ps3-to-limits

vaderhater

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]I wasnt saying your right, Because your not, i was basicly saying arguing with you is pointless.djsifer01

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]I wasnt saying your right, Because your not, i was basicly saying arguing with you is pointless.djsifer01

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"][QUOTE="unknown37"]

I agree PS3 is more powerful than 360, BUT power means nothing if the devs aren't using it.

Supa__Mario

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"] Well said... It all boils down to Sonys dev team because the average dev team isn't going to spend years squeezing out eye bleeding graphics. But to say Sony's game are leaps and bounds beyond 360 game's is a lie. Steppy_76

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"] Well said... It all boils down to Sonys dev team because the average dev team isn't going to spend years squeezing out eye bleeding graphics. But to say Sony's game are leaps and bounds beyond 360 game's is a lie. Steppy_76

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]lol, that game is being developed for each system, not ported.djsifer01

First of all, the PS3 and XBox360's GPU's are virtually identical from an instrumental standpoint. The biggest difference is that the PS3 is it divides its RAM into GPU and CPU whereas the 360 shares one type of RAM between the two. I honestly have no idea what that means; I doubt it matters in the end.

What does matter is a 100% installment base for hard drives. Because some 360's don't have hard drives, games can't require installs. This is why you have more pop up in GTAIV and maybe the reason why MGS4 never came to the 360. I would've expected the PC fanboys in this thread to explain the virtues of having hard drive access (and it's more than just loading times).

But in the end, there's plenty of engines that look great on both. The graphics could NEVER provide a basis of decision between the two unless you're an idiot. If you're a graphics snob, get a good PC. If you could care less, get a Wii. If you want adequate graphics that are beautiful and immersive but relatively affordable, grab a 360 or a PS3. And base your decision on Blu Ray, or first party exclusives, or the upcoming motion controls (I'd hold your breath on those), or even the media-related options.

The biggest sell in terms of graphics is probably the first party exclusives, and since Microsoft is content to release expansion packs on engines that debuted a year after the 360 went on the market (ODST) or using Proprietary Engines they didn't even make themselves (Unreal Engine), you're probably going to see better graphics from Sony, and Sony's devs are probably the only reason why people think the PS3's graphics are so much better (even though they are, in fact, marginally better).

but ps3 beats 360 in graphics....lighting....physics...my point is...its not just one thing......i would say thats more then a little better.....Supa__Mario

[QUOTE="mD-"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]but the 360 beats the PS3 in graphics...lighting...physics...my point is....its not just one thing.....i would say thats more than a little better. See, anybody can make claims without supporting evidence...no evidence means nothing more than opinion.

Supa__Mario

After seeing that gameplay in HD, then you don't even need it to be released. You can see it all going on right infront of you. If I find a video of Gears of War 2 online and then go play it on my TV, it ends up looking similar enough (obviously better on my TV), but my point is that you know Uncharted 2 has going on

First of all, the PS3 and XBox360's GPU's are virtually identical from an instrumental standpoint. The biggest difference is that the PS3 is it divides its RAM into GPU and CPU whereas the 360 shares one type of RAM between the two. I honestly have no idea what that means; I doubt it matters in the end.

What does matter is a 100% installment base for hard drives. Because some 360's don't have hard drives, games can't require installs. This is why you have more pop up in GTAIV and maybe the reason why MGS4 never came to the 360. I would've expected the PC fanboys in this thread to explain the virtues of having hard drive access (and it's more than just loading times).

But in the end, there's plenty of engines that look great on both. The graphics could NEVER provide a basis of decision between the two unless you're an idiot. If you're a graphics snob, get a good PC. If you could care less, get a Wii. If you want adequate graphics that are beautiful and immersive but relatively affordable, grab a 360 or a PS3. And base your decision on Blu Ray, or first party exclusives, or the upcoming motion controls (I'd hold your breath on those), or even the media-related options.

The biggest sell in terms of graphics is probably the first party exclusives, and since Microsoft is content to release expansion packs on engines that debuted a year after the 360 went on the market (ODST) or using Proprietary Engines they didn't even make themselves (Unreal Engine), you're probably going to see better graphics from Sony, and Sony's devs are probably the only reason why people think the PS3's graphics are so much better (even though they are, in fact, marginally better).