So... How long before PSN starts having a monthly fee?

[QUOTE="DireOwl"]

When they can actually keep your credit card info safe. :lol:

Syn_Valence

lol, it's rat.

The more I think about it the more it seems that Sony will stick with the free multiplayer gaming and more features for PSN+ members that has been going on for a little while now.

Obviously they will not start charging for online for the PS3, which means IF they plan on implementing fees for the PS4 I think they'll have a hard time attracting consumers who are used to playing for free on the PS3.

Im sure I'll repeat whats already been said..BUT...SONY already have a PSN that cost money if im not mistaken?

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

It might be, but it also costs hundreds of millions of dollars to operate.

santoron

Source?

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http://www.1up.com/news/hirai-psn-losing-money-turn

"Speaking to Reuters Japan this week (via Hachimaki), Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai described the PlayStation Network as "in the red" but believed that it would turn a profit during the next fiscal year.

According to the report, PSN sales during the 2009 fiscal year added up to 36 billion yen (approx. $434.3 million USD). That number "nearly doubled" in 2010. However, Hirai said "we're aiming to enter the black during the 2011 fiscal year." Furthermore, he projected that PSN sales would reach 300 billion yen ($3.6 billion) in the 2012 fiscal year. He cited the number of registered PSN accounts (60 million as of November) as evidence of the service's growth.

In a separate English interview, Hirai said that Sony anticipated selling 15 million PlayStation 3 consoles by March 31st of next year, an increase from the 13 million they sold in the previous fiscal year."

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He says in fiscal year 2009 PSN made $434.3 million dollars, but remained in the red.

And then states that in fiscal year 2010 the PSN made nearly DOUBLE that $434.3 million (so around $860 million), and was STILL in the red.

Obviously in 2011 the PSN was in the red after the PSN fiasco (where they lost an estimated $171 million), so we can't really be sure if they'd have actually made a profit that year.

It's not free for Sony or MS to provide PSN and XBL. Anyone who thinks these services come cheap is really naive.

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

It might be, but it also costs hundreds of millions of dollars to operate.

SW__Troll

Source?

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http://www.1up.com/news/hirai-psn-losing-money-turn

"Speaking to Reuters Japan this week (via Hachimaki), Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai described the PlayStation Network as "in the red" but believed that it would turn a profit during the next fiscal year.

According to the report, PSN sales during the 2009 fiscal year added up to 36 billion yen (approx. $434.3 million USD). That number "nearly doubled" in 2010. However, Hirai said "we're aiming to enter the black during the 2011 fiscal year." Furthermore, he projected that PSN sales would reach 300 billion yen ($3.6 billion) in the 2012 fiscal year. He cited the number of registered PSN accounts (60 million as of November) as evidence of the service's growth.

In a separate English interview, Hirai said that Sony anticipated selling 15 million PlayStation 3 consoles by March 31st of next year, an increase from the 13 million they sold in the previous fiscal year."

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He says in fiscal year 2009 PSN made $434.3 million dollars, but remained in the red.

And then states that in fiscal year 2010 the PSN made nearly DOUBLE that $434.3 million (so around $860 million), and was STILL in the red.

Obviously in 2011 the PSN was in the red after the PSN fiasco (where they lost an estimated $171 million), so we can't really be sure if they'd have actually made a profit that year.

It's not free for Sony or MS to provide PSN and XBL. Anyone who thinks these services come cheap is really naive.

I read somewhere that XBL costs about $1 billion per year to run.

Apparently PSN costs around the same.

I wish XBL was more like PS+ for personal reasons.

With XBL I feel like I am renting my console, I feel like it isn't really "mine."

With PSN I feel like the machine is mine.

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

It might be, but it also costs hundreds of millions of dollars to operate.

SW__Troll

Source?

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http://www.1up.com/news/hirai-psn-losing-money-turn

"Speaking to Reuters Japan this week (via Hachimaki), Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai described the PlayStation Network as "in the red" but believed that it would turn a profit during the next fiscal year.

According to the report, PSN sales during the 2009 fiscal year added up to 36 billion yen (approx. $434.3 million USD). That number "nearly doubled" in 2010. However, Hirai said "we're aiming to enter the black during the 2011 fiscal year." Furthermore, he projected that PSN sales would reach 300 billion yen ($3.6 billion) in the 2012 fiscal year. He cited the number of registered PSN accounts (60 million as of November) as evidence of the service's growth.

In a separate English interview, Hirai said that Sony anticipated selling 15 million PlayStation 3 consoles by March 31st of next year, an increase from the 13 million they sold in the previous fiscal year."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

He says in fiscal year 2009 PSN made $434.3 million dollars, but remained in the red.

And then states that in fiscal year 2010 the PSN made nearly DOUBLE that $434.3 million (so around $860 million), and was STILL in the red.

Obviously in 2011 the PSN was in the red after the PSN fiasco (where they lost an estimated $171 million), so we can't really be sure if they'd have actually made a profit that year.

It's not free for Sony or MS to provide PSN and XBL. Anyone who thinks these services come cheap is really naive.

None of that actually denotes a cost of running a P2P matchmaking service, which is what lems seems to hope PSN charges for. The cost of providing demos, dedicated servers for select 1st party titles, DD content, and their streaming media services are far more expensive, and yet it sounds like Sony believes the current pricing model will become profitable with the existing pricing structure.

Anyone who thinks providing a matchmaking server for people to play their games on their internet service using their own hardware as a server is really naive.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Wow, been a very long time since lems asked that.

Giancar

It´s because it will be ownage to RIP OFF Ps users like LIVE.

Instead of asking MS to change their revenue structure, they pray other companies start doing the same sh!t :lol:

and PC gaming does the same as live and better! If Sony does that, I will play only mp games for the PC. No way I am paying for that!

Obviously not going to happen with the PS3. Expect it with the PS4, though.

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

It might be, but it also costs hundreds of millions of dollars to operate.

santoron

Source?

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Source?

santoron

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http://www.1up.com/news/hirai-psn-losing-money-turn

"Speaking to Reuters Japan this week (via Hachimaki), Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai described the PlayStation Network as "in the red" but believed that it would turn a profit during the next fiscal year.

According to the report, PSN sales during the 2009 fiscal year added up to 36 billion yen (approx. $434.3 million USD). That number "nearly doubled" in 2010. However, Hirai said "we're aiming to enter the black during the 2011 fiscal year." Furthermore, he projected that PSN sales would reach 300 billion yen ($3.6 billion) in the 2012 fiscal year. He cited the number of registered PSN accounts (60 million as of November) as evidence of the service's growth.

In a separate English interview, Hirai said that Sony anticipated selling 15 million PlayStation 3 consoles by March 31st of next year, an increase from the 13 million they sold in the previous fiscal year."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

He says in fiscal year 2009 PSN made $434.3 million dollars, but remained in the red.

And then states that in fiscal year 2010 the PSN made nearly DOUBLE that $434.3 million (so around $860 million), and was STILL in the red.

Obviously in 2011 the PSN was in the red after the PSN fiasco (where they lost an estimated $171 million), so we can't really be sure if they'd have actually made a profit that year.

It's not free for Sony or MS to provide PSN and XBL. Anyone who thinks these services come cheap is really naive.

None of that actually denotes a cost of running a P2P matchmaking service, which is what lems seems to hope PSN charges for. The cost of providing demos, dedicated servers for select 1st party titles, DD content, and their streaming media services are far more expensive, and yet it sounds like Sony believes the current pricing model will become profitable with the existing pricing structure.

Anyone who thinks providing a matchmaking server for people to play their games on their internet service using their own hardware as a server is really naive.

PS Vita already has Party System and Cross Game Chat for free :). I hope Sony will keep it free for the PS4.FlamesOfGrey

Why would they make PSN have a monthly fee?That'd just be stupid.

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

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http://www.1up.com/news/hirai-psn-losing-money-turn

"Speaking to Reuters Japan this week (via Hachimaki), Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai described the PlayStation Network as "in the red" but believed that it would turn a profit during the next fiscal year.

According to the report, PSN sales during the 2009 fiscal year added up to 36 billion yen (approx. $434.3 million USD). That number "nearly doubled" in 2010. However, Hirai said "we're aiming to enter the black during the 2011 fiscal year." Furthermore, he projected that PSN sales would reach 300 billion yen ($3.6 billion) in the 2012 fiscal year. He cited the number of registered PSN accounts (60 million as of November) as evidence of the service's growth.

In a separate English interview, Hirai said that Sony anticipated selling 15 million PlayStation 3 consoles by March 31st of next year, an increase from the 13 million they sold in the previous fiscal year."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

He says in fiscal year 2009 PSN made $434.3 million dollars, but remained in the red.

And then states that in fiscal year 2010 the PSN made nearly DOUBLE that $434.3 million (so around $860 million), and was STILL in the red.

Obviously in 2011 the PSN was in the red after the PSN fiasco (where they lost an estimated $171 million), so we can't really be sure if they'd have actually made a profit that year.

It's not free for Sony or MS to provide PSN and XBL. Anyone who thinks these services come cheap is really naive.

WilliamRLBaker

None of that actually denotes a cost of running a P2P matchmaking service, which is what lems seems to hope PSN charges for. The cost of providing demos, dedicated servers for select 1st party titles, DD content, and their streaming media services are far more expensive, and yet it sounds like Sony believes the current pricing model will become profitable with the existing pricing structure.

Anyone who thinks providing a matchmaking server for people to play their games on their internet service using their own hardware as a server is really naive.

WTF are you on about now, troll? Nowhere on my post will you see me trying to include costs for one side and not another. Fact remains, matchmaking servers for P2P games are not expensive to run. Certainly not in the context of the other things I've mentioned. I've said it for years, and for both services: charge whatever they want for the optional services not needed to play your own games, but P2P online multiplayer is a core part of this generation of gaming, costs very little to build and maintain, and should be seperated from the glitter services people use to defend Live.

Now, go have a good cry about it, and next time, read more closely before you post.

Why would they make PSN have a monthly fee?That'd just be stupid.

Michael0134567

hmmm... Sony needs money very badly. PSN fees would make them easy money from an existing service.

nope. I can't think of any reasons....

PSN+ already exists.

It's whether they will start charging for online play, and I think they'll fight to keep that feature free. It's a selling point over the competition at the end of the day.

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Sony really coulda used those extra funds this gen that a PSN subscription fee would have delivered. :o

If only cows weren't so cheap, Sony would be in much better financial standing today. :twisted:

AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Online fees? Selling off studios?

This sounds familiar.

WilliamRLBaker

A company never doing those things would probably lead to them going out of business.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Why would they make PSN have a monthly fee?That'd just be stupid.

gensigns

hmmm... Sony needs money very badly. PSN fees would make them easy money from an existing service.

nope. I can't think of any reasons....

I dont expect there to be a PS4, so no, they will never a monthly fee for their hacker haven network.

I say never. That's why they have PSN plus for extra content. It's the exact reason why MP should be inclued on Live Silver but knowing M$'s greedy asses they will never do it.

6 months? 3? Kaz needs them monies soon! I wonder which studios will be sold off first?gensigns

Uh, never? Good try... uh, no, maybe not.

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Source?

santoron

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http://www.1up.com/news/hirai-psn-losing-money-turn

"Speaking to Reuters Japan this week (via Hachimaki), Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai described the PlayStation Network as "in the red" but believed that it would turn a profit during the next fiscal year.

According to the report, PSN sales during the 2009 fiscal year added up to 36 billion yen (approx. $434.3 million USD). That number "nearly doubled" in 2010. However, Hirai said "we're aiming to enter the black during the 2011 fiscal year." Furthermore, he projected that PSN sales would reach 300 billion yen ($3.6 billion) in the 2012 fiscal year. He cited the number of registered PSN accounts (60 million as of November) as evidence of the service's growth.

In a separate English interview, Hirai said that Sony anticipated selling 15 million PlayStation 3 consoles by March 31st of next year, an increase from the 13 million they sold in the previous fiscal year."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

He says in fiscal year 2009 PSN made $434.3 million dollars, but remained in the red.

And then states that in fiscal year 2010 the PSN made nearly DOUBLE that $434.3 million (so around $860 million), and was STILL in the red.

Obviously in 2011 the PSN was in the red after the PSN fiasco (where they lost an estimated $171 million), so we can't really be sure if they'd have actually made a profit that year.

It's not free for Sony or MS to provide PSN and XBL. Anyone who thinks these services come cheap is really naive.

None of that actually denotes a cost of running a P2P matchmaking service, which is what lems seems to hope PSN charges for. The cost of providing demos, dedicated servers for select 1st party titles, DD content, and their streaming media services are far more expensive, and yet it sounds like Sony believes the current pricing model will become profitable with the existing pricing structure.

Anyone who thinks providing a matchmaking server for people to play their games on their internet service using their own hardware as a server is really naive.

Sony believes it'll happen, and yet year after year it never has.

That's a problem Microsoft avoided.

I want Sony to charge for the sake of the company. They can't just keep taking these billion dollar hits year after year, and as long as they keep trying to catch up to the Xbox Live feature-wise that cost will just become greater and greater and greater.