So I guess the PS3 now has better graphics than the Xbox 360 and PC.....?

That's your opinion that K/M is better

That it's better for you...that's a fact.

Why? Because my controller using friends would disagree with you, and there are many thousands of PC gamers that use controllers.

Unnatural101

actually thats wrong. factually for FPS games mouse and keyboard is better

Since you mentioned EA,

When I see MADDEN back on PC, then I'll give every PC gamer an apology.

Until then, My sentiments of "PC is dying" remains. Ok...maybe not dying....but in a coma. :lol:

Unnatural101

When I see the latest C&C back on console then I'll concede that consoles aren't dying.

Some games will never work on PC and some will never work on consoles. That's why PC's haven't had the latest Madden's, and it's why the consoles haven't seen the latest C&C or Tropico 4 for example.

GS must not have a good PC if they think PS3 graphics are close to PC's best

When I see the latest C&C back on console then I'll concede that consoles aren't dying.

Some games will never work on PC and some will never work on consoles. That's why PC's haven't had the latest Madden's, and it's why the consoles haven't seen the latest C&C or Tropico 4 for example.

FGMPR

I might buy what your selling except that I own the better C&C (Red Alert 3 2009) on my PS3. Also, Not only is Tropico 3 on consoles,

But Tropico 4 lists as XBOX 360 bound again.

Madden on the other hand, it hasn't been on PC for years and it isn't going back. In fact, lots other sports aren't either.

Face it, the only Genre PC has left is RTS's...and really, that's pretty sad....sad bunny sad.

And as soon as a developer discovers how to stop making lazy RTS's for consoles that are actually great, more RTS's will come to consoles just like every other genre.

Madden on the other hand, it hasn't been on PC for years.

Unnatural101

It's also been the same game for years as well

2K has done an amazing job supporting the PC

really Football is the only sport game that isn't on the PC

[QUOTE="FGMPR"]

When I see the latest C&C back on console then I'll concede that consoles aren't dying.

Some games will never work on PC and some will never work on consoles. That's why PC's haven't had the latest Madden's, and it's why the consoles haven't seen the latest C&C or Tropico 4 for example.

Unnatural101

I might buy what your selling except that I own the better C&C (Red Alert 3 2009) on my PS3. Also, Not only is Tropico 3 on consoles,

But Tropico 4 lists as XBOX 360 bound again.

Madden on the other hand, it hasn't been on PC for years and it isn't going back. In fact, lots other sports aren't either.

Face it, the only Genre PC has left is RTS's...and really, that's pretty sad....sad bunny sad.

So what if C&C: RA 3 is the better game? I completely agree. It doesn't change the fact that it wasn't profitable enough on consoles to bring out the expansion or the next game in the series. Also, Tropico 4 may be listed on some site, but it hasn't been confirmed from the publisher, and the Tropico 3 expansion pack never saw the light of day on consoles, so I wouldn't expect it.

The PC has a whole lot of genre's the consoles can't replicate, from 4x strategy, RTS, sims of every kind from proper racing sims (not half arsed sims like Forza or GT), to tank sims, sub sims, flight sims, proper hardcore FPS games like Red Orchestra and ARMA, and of course MMO's. I won't sit here and try and pretend that any of the titles in those catagories are selling millions of units (outside of WoW, of course), but they are selling plenty enough for them to keep coming out with games and sequels, and provide experiences that are unattainable on a control pad. I don't understand why you think PC gaming is "in a coma" in the first place. What would make you think that?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

A gaming PC from 2006 can run anything consoles can, and gaming PCs from 2007 can max-out/near max out games today. A low-end gaming PC can at least manage basic 720p in all of its games, something consoles have trouble with. Heck today even the GPUs that are cheap and more for movie playback than 3D rendering is better than consoles.

Unnatural101

Here let me give you a tangible example so you can be more clear:

Street Fighter IV

Operating system Windows XP or Windows Vista CPU Pentium 4 2.0GHz or higher Intel Core2Duo 2.0GHz or higher Memory 1 GB or higher 2 GB or higher Hard drive space 4.5 GB of free space Graphics hardware DirectX 9.0c/Shader3.0 or higher compatible, NVIDIA GeForce6600 series, ATI Radeon(TM) X1600 or higher, VRAM 256MB or higher DirectX 9.0c/Shader3.0 or higher compatible, NVIDIA GeForce8600 series or higher, ATI Radeon(TM) X 1900 or higher, VRAM 512MB or higher Sound hardware DirectSound compatible, DirectX 9.0c (or higher) compatible

PS3 is more powerful than the low end computer that can run STREET FIGHTER 4 (2009)

PC has about 300 million unit sales per year. About 48 percent of it refers to AMD(Radeon HD) and NVIDIA(Geforce) GPUs.

In 2009,

15 percent of total AMD GPU sales refers to Radeon HD 4600s. 7.5 percent from 300 million would yield about 22 million units i.e. the up take is faster than combined Xbox 360 and PS3 yearly unit sales. In 2010, Radeon HD 4600s(RV730) was replaced by Madison GpGPU which ranges from Radeon HD 5500, 5600, 5700M, 6500M.

5 percent of total AMD GPU sales efers to Radeon HD 4800s. 2.5 percent from 300 million would yield about 7.5 million units i.e. the up take is faster than Xbox 360 yearly unit sales.

Its over guys, get over it.

The PS3 won the best graphics awards for 3 years straight now edging out even Crysis and now Metro?

So I guess the PS3 is the best when it comes to pumping out the best graphics?

Adamantium4k2

That's just what one group of people think. That does not make it fact. PC still owns all right now in graphics. Neither the PS3 or XBox 360 can due the highest resolution that a PC can do. Anyway.. these awards come from a group that picked Demon's Soul as GOTY over Uncharted 2. lol!! *shakes head*. Too funny. blackace

Gamespot is teh master here.

Whomever doesn't like it.....there's the door.

*points at door*

PS3 is the GRAPHIX KING.

Deal.

And graphics are still the least important part of a game.

[QUOTE="malikmmm"]dont feed this troll guys!Banjo_Kongfooie

Wow way to ad hominem man. I mean seriously all of the multiplats on 360 look better so I do not see why people put Ps3 in second place, are you saying that is not a valid arguement or are you just enraged because you cannot refute it?

Pc is so irrelevant here and i hope it stays that way. Ps3 is winning all the best graphic award until this gen is over.

You do have a point TC. We do only follow GS's decisions on SW, and according to GS:

MGS4 > Crysis Warhead

God of War 3 > Metro 2033 and Just Cause 2

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

That's your opinion that K/M is better

That it's better for you...that's a fact.

Why? Because my controller using friends would disagree with you, and there are many thousands of PC gamers that use controllers.

washd123

actually thats wrong. factually for FPS games mouse and keyboard is better

Maybe its because what the PS3 has produced graphically is more impressive than what the PC platform has to offer. Is only seriously suggesting that (well idk about the crysis argument did that win or lose to MGS? I cant remember xD ) but yeah anything on the PC now is really "amazing". Are there any games that use quad 580gtxs to their maxium with 24GB Ram to produce some insaine graphics? or do we simply have multiplats which do look better on the PC but for what you need to run them with its just not that impressive and if anything its more to be expected.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Really you already made another account? SC2's piracy numbers are under 400k while sales are above 4 million from the last report. Blizzard never said, confirmed, or in any way shape or form that YOU can think of, that they're bringing Diablo 3 to consoles. Diablo-related products doesn't count. It'll be a spinoff in the Diablo series for consoles just like Starcraft: Ghost was (And we all should know how that turned out.) But fanatics like yourself aren't worth convincing as you'll just ignore what anyone says.

And lol at people who think consoles can even come close to PC in visuals. 2008 should've gone to Crysis Warhead, 2009 should've gone to Cryostasis, and now Gamespot once again took the award away from PC. Metro 2033 was clearly the best looking game this year by far. They nominated Just Cause 2 on PC but not Metro?

EDIT: Also it's Battle.net, not blizzard.net. That website doesn't exist.

I've got news for you...

StarCraft II is the most pirated computer game of 2010

and

Report: Starcraft 2 Pirated More than 2.3 Million Times

I've got news for you too. YOU CAN'T READ!

From the first link: "the damage calculated is currently over 260,000 illegal downloads of the RTS epic."

From the second link: oh wait it's the same thing. Guess what? Torrent =/= illegally downloaded. Blizzard uses torrent files for it's game. Yes WoW, SC2, ect downloading is done through torrenting. That's what had the 2 million + downloads. This doesn't even count the number of people who tried downloading it from more than one torrent, canceling it, ect.

Even if you wern't the person I thought you were, you still believe the same thing. Diablo related (And what was it? 1 or 2 job positions?) doesn't mean Diablo 3. It means they're looking into console development like they did with Starcraft: Ghost. They're past console products such as SC:G and Diablo 1 were all done by seperate studios. You're right, this isn't rocket science. So I don't see why you're trying to state something that isn't there.

Ehh, I'm just going to post Crysis pictures. I'm probably not getting any friends out of this but from reading the thread from page one and onwards, that's not a big loss.

One image can tell more than a thousand words. There's a very special message to be found in this very post and it's not actually related to Crysis graphics.

Ehh, I'm just going to post Crysis pictures. I'm probably not getting any friends out of this but from reading the thread from page one and onwards, that's not a big loss.

Filthybastrd

I'm pretty sure PC is better than PS3. But PS3 is much better than the 360.IceBlazerX

[QUOTE="blackace"] That's just what one group of people think. That does not make it fact. PC still owns all right now in graphics. Neither the PS3 or XBox 360 can due the highest resolution that a PC can do. Anyway.. these awards come from a group that picked Demon's Soul as GOTY over Uncharted 2. lol!! *shakes head*. Too funny. Unnatural101

Gamespot is teh master here.

Whomever doesn't like it.....there's the door.

*points at door*

PS3 is the GRAPHIX KING.

Deal.

"There is currently some disagreement on a game being considered a "true flop", and growing debate over what review scores "count" for that flop. The official policies of System Wars currently dictate that only GameSpot scores count, however other sites are often used to attempt to predict GameSpot's review scores."

which =/= GS's wordbeing law in everything else.

funny how so many try and twist it though.

I'm pretty sure PC is better than PS3. But PS3 is much better than the 360.IceBlazerX

not really.

PC would be much better than PS3, and 360.

differences between 360 and PS3 aren't that big. but PS3 has the edge.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

[QUOTE="blackace"] That's just what one group of people think. That does not make it fact. PC still owns all right now in graphics. Neither the PS3 or XBox 360 can due the highest resolution that a PC can do. Anyway.. these awards come from a group that picked Demon's Soul as GOTY over Uncharted 2. lol!! *shakes head*. Too funny. HavocV3

Gamespot is teh master here.

Whomever doesn't like it.....there's the door.

*points at door*

PS3 is the GRAPHIX KING.

Deal.

"There is currently some disagreement on a game being considered a "true flop", and growing debate over what review scores "count" for that flop. The official policies of System Wars currently dictate that only GameSpot scores count, however other sites are often used to attempt to predict GameSpot's review scores."

which =/= GS's wordbeing law in everything else.

funny how so many try and twist it though.

PS3 is Graphix King for 2010, 2009, and 2008. I'm good with that ;)

[QUOTE="IceBlazerX"]I'm pretty sure PC is better than PS3. But PS3 is much better than the 360.HavocV3

not really.

PC would be much better than PS3, and 360.

differences between 360 and PS3 aren't that big. but PS3 has the edge.

The PS3 can't compete with the PC in graphics, but since Crysis, the PC hasn't had any graphical achievements beyond sheer consistent quality. PS3 games won those awards because of achievement, not necessarily best graphics period.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Ehh, I'm just going to post Crysis pictures. I'm probably not getting any friends out of this but from reading the thread from page one and onwards, that's not a big loss.

jalexbrown

Sure, I'll admit that that. Metro 2033 can be stunning, especially in screenshots:

But it still does'nt quite compete with Crysis. People who maxed Metro and modded Crysis should know what I'm talking about, especially when you start ripping into the enviroment with your weapons.

And console fans can stick to GS nominations all they want.... 07: Crysis, 08: Warhead, 09: Cryostasis (I'm willing to debate here), 10: Metro 2033 (PC).

Edit: Besides, Scenes like that image hurts the fps in Metro more than some of the worst Crysis can throw at you at all.

Keep telling yourself that PC games played on my 60" 1080p HDTV look significantly better then any of my ps3 games played on the samet T.V lol at gs awarding MGS4 technical graphics when its one of the ugier looking ps3 games i've played the sub-hd res really shows and to top it off ps3 struggles at times to keep the framerate at 30 or above lol.

Ps3 wins in sales, games and graphics. Xbox 360 is on life support at this point.-Renegade

Ps3 wins in sales, games and graphics. Xbox 360 is on life support at this point.-Renegade

Really because it's not winning in any of those.

On the first point, I beg to differ. According to figures from the last financial quarter, the PS3 has sold 41.6 million units worldwide, whilst the 360 has sold 3 million more, 44.6 million. Marginal difference, but you can't rampade around saying how the PS3 has sold more. And anyway, both are obliterated by the Wii, which has sold over 75 million units. Again, with the last point, I beg to differ. The 360 is outselling the PS3 2:1 in NA - in the US it has sold 11.3 mil compared to 5.6 mil for the PS3. As well, 360 exclusives are outselling PS3 exclusives by a way - the Halo and Gears of War series outsell the Uncharted and God of War series 2 or 3 times over, with Forza sales about equalling the aforementioned PS3 titles. Dunno about you, but I definitely don't see that as 'life support'. I'm no lemming, but you can't argue with statistics. TheOtherTheoG

PS3 is the 3rd fastest selling console in the history of gaming.....Only the PS2 and the Wii have sold at a faster rate. Come March 31, PS3 will have sold 50 million units....not that sales matter, because what's important here is

PS3 is the 2010 GRAPHIX KING! ;)

Ever since GT5 flopped cows have become obsessed with sales.

[QUOTE="TheOtherTheoG"]On the first point, I beg to differ. According to figures from the last financial quarter, the PS3 has sold 41.6 million units worldwide, whilst the 360 has sold 3 million more, 44.6 million. Marginal difference, but you can't rampade around saying how the PS3 has sold more. And anyway, both are obliterated by the Wii, which has sold over 75 million units. Again, with the last point, I beg to differ. The 360 is outselling the PS3 2:1 in NA - in the US it has sold 11.3 mil compared to 5.6 mil for the PS3. As well, 360 exclusives are outselling PS3 exclusives by a way - the Halo and Gears of War series outsell the Uncharted and God of War series 2 or 3 times over, with Forza sales about equalling the aforementioned PS3 titles. Dunno about you, but I definitely don't see that as 'life support'. I'm no lemming, but you can't argue with statistics. Unnatural101

PS3 is the 3rd fastest selling console in the history of gaming.....Only the PS2 and the Wii have sold at a faster rate. Come March 31, PS3 will have sold 50 million units....not that sales matter, because what's important here is

PS3 is the 2010 GRAPHIX KING! ;)

If you're so obsessed with graphics try getting a gaming pc.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]Ps3 wins in sales, games and graphics. Xbox 360 is on life support at this point.TheOtherTheoG

[QUOTE="TheOtherTheoG"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]Ps3 wins in sales, games and graphics. Xbox 360 is on life support at this point.hoosier7

U.S. is one of the biggest markets so it's not a meaningless stat.

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="TheOtherTheoG"] On the first point, I beg to differ. According to figures from the last financial quarter, the PS3 has sold 41.6 million units worldwide, whilst the 360 has sold 3 million more, 44.6 million. Marginal difference, but you can't rampade around saying how the PS3 has sold more. And anyway, both are obliterated by the Wii, which has sold over 75 million units. Again, with the last point, I beg to differ. The 360 is outselling the PS3 2:1 in NA - in the US it has sold 11.3 mil compared to 5.6 mil for the PS3. As well, 360 exclusives are outselling PS3 exclusives by a way - the Halo and Gears of War series outsell the Uncharted and God of War series 2 or 3 times over, with Forza sales about equalling the aforementioned PS3 titles. Dunno about you, but I definitely don't see that as 'life support'. I'm no lemming, but you can't argue with statistics. chase_arizona

U.S. is one of the biggest markets so it's not a meaningless stat.

Whoever tries comparing PC graphics with console graphics is in the wrong forum. Killzone 3 is living proof that we're in good hands gaming on the PS3.

[QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

[QUOTE="hoosier7"] First off i think he meant by winning sales wise he meant that the PS3 has generally outsold the 360 year on year. 2nd US doesn't equal the world (PS3 outsells 10:1 in Japan, i can do meaningless stats too :P), the PS3 may not have a title touching Halo's sales but Gear's sales are not as high as you may think, not up there with GT and Halo games, the sales are more spread amongst games with the likes of MAG and Heavy Rain both selling a million each unlike with the 360 where the sales are more big game orientated (e.g. Alan Wake sold poorly), PS3 total software sales where higher last year, on traget to this year. 3rd like how you didn't mention graphics :P Finally the life support thing is rubbish, expect it from the fanboys, we saw it at the start of the gen when the 360 was on top so now we'll see it later in the gen when the PS3 is taking more of a hold.hoosier7

U.S. is one of the biggest markets so it's not a meaningless stat.

I know but the U.S. is a very important market so it does matter and the Xbx360's games are selling much more.

Whoever tries comparing PC graphics with console graphics is in the wrong forum. Killzone 3 is living proof that we're in good hands gaming on the PS3.

gamerfan85

Killzone 3 doesn't look as good as Gears of War 3 or UC.

Sure, I'll admit that that. Metro 2033 can be stunning, especially in screenshots:

But it still does'nt quite compete with Crysis. People who maxed Metro and modded Crysis should know what I'm talking about, especially when you start ripping into the enviroment with your weapons.

And console fans can stick to GS nominations all they want.... 07: Crysis, 08: Warhead, 09: Cryostasis (I'm willing to debate here), 10: Metro 2033 (PC).

Edit: Besides, Scenes like that image hurts the fps in Metro more than some of the worst Crysis can throw at you at all.

Filthybastrd

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

U.S. is one of the biggest markets so it's not a meaningless stat.

I know but the U.S. is a very important market so it does matter and the Xbx360's games are selling much more.

[QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

[QUOTE="hoosier7"] It is meaningless when we're looking at total sales, doesn't matter if it sells well in one place if overall it's being outsold does it?hoosier7

I know but the U.S. is a very important market so it does matter and the Xbx360's games are selling much more.

Like I said ever since GT5 flopped ps3 fanboys have become obsessed with sales lol.

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

I know but the U.S. is a very important market so it does matter and the Xbx360's games are selling much more.

Like I said ever since GT5 flopped ps3 fanboys have become obsessed with sales lol.

The PS3 can't compete with the PC in graphics, but since Crysis, the PC hasn't had any graphical achievements beyond sheer consistent quality. PS3 games won those awards because of achievement, not necessarily best graphics period.

789shadow