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#1 Delsage
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Why did Halo Reach score the same as Killzone 2 on Metacritic? We all know what it scored on Gamespot, but from a Metacritic point of view it's at the same level. Eh, oh well I prefer the weighty controls to the floating men, and that is what it comes down to is preference... right?

But I do hope Killzone 3 will be more precise than KZ2.

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Because Halo is no better than Killzone except maybe in hype and number of rehashes.
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#3 ActicEdge
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I bet this would be the perfect time to play the standards change over time card right? I wonder who loves that saying. . . .

regardless, its always preference, it has nothing to do with other peoples opinions. Make up your own mind instead of blindly following any random reviewers opinion.

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I dunno. Wasn't impressed by either game's SP. I'd give them 7/10 in those areas.
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#6 mo0ksi
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Preference. Was this thread really worth the effort?
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Preference. Was this thread really worth the effort?mo0ksi
It took no more than 2 minutes to make it. So sure, why not.
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#8 DarkLink77
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The fact that Reach is lower than Halo 2 and 3 on Metacritic is sad, because it kicks both of them to the curb.

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its obvious sony payed off the reviewers:P

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The fact that Reach is lower than Halo 2 and 3 on Metacritic is sad, because it kicks both of them to the curb.

DarkLink77

People just are getting tired of things, no matter how good they are.

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The fact that Reach is lower than Halo 2 and 3 on Metacritic is sad.

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It is? Halo 2 and 3 were pretty good games...
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#12 Vader993
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the halo fanboy armada is coming :P

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The fact that Reach is lower than Halo 2 and 3 on Metacritic is sad, because it kicks both of them to the curb.

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People just are getting tired of things, no matter how good they are.

Yeah, but reviewers are supposed to be objective, and their clear inability to do so is pathetic.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The fact that Reach is lower than Halo 2 and 3 on Metacritic is sad.

metswonin69
It is? Halo 2 and 3 were pretty good games...

Reach is a MUCH better game than both of them.
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#15 Dead-Memories
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because if you're going to use scores, you have to use GS, and 9.5>9.0

in reality though, it does come down to preference, i'd say Halo reach has a much better campaign and way more content, but the substance of the competitive aspect is equal to that of killzone 2's imo.

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#16 Vader993
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[QUOTE="metswonin69"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The fact that Reach is lower than Halo 2 and 3 on Metacritic is sad.

DarkLink77

It is? Halo 2 and 3 were pretty good games...

Reach is a MUCH better game than both of them.

halo 2 had a better campaign than reach and 3,reach's campaign felt bit boring at some parts

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#17 FIipMode
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It's probably their preference, but I do get what your saying, some people act like Killzone shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath, usually because Halo sells more has much more players online and all that, but they were both great, single player is Reach all the way, I'd give multiplayer to Killzone, I love playing classes and mixing up special abilities.
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[QUOTE="Orchid87"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

The fact that Reach is lower than Halo 2 and 3 on Metacritic is sad, because it kicks both of them to the curb.

DarkLink77

People just are getting tired of things, no matter how good they are.

Yeah, but reviewers are supposed to be objective, and their clear inability to do so is pathetic.

If they were objective the Halo series should be AA quality.
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#19 FIipMode
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because if you're going to use scores, you have to use GS, and 9.5>9.0

in reality though, it does come down to preference, i'd say Halo reach has a much better campaign and way more content, but the substance of the competitive aspect is equal to that of killzone 2's imo.

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Your able to use other sites if you like, that GS scores only rule is for teh flopz.
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I'm more surprised at the reviews: A 5 for Reach, a 6 for Killzone 2, LOL wut?

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#21 enterawesome
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People can claim that because not everyone's a critic's tool. I don't need GS, IGN, or anyone else to tell me whether or not I should like a game, and that goes for all games.
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Killzone 2's multiplayer is quite mediocre where it seems the majority of players are fighting against the controls more then the actual enemy.. Watching two people medium distance trying to shoot one another is pathtetic.. They just stand and strafe alittel bit due to how clumsy the controls feel..
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#23 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="metswonin69"] It is? Halo 2 and 3 were pretty good games... Vader993

Reach is a MUCH better game than both of them.

halo 2 had a better campaign than reach and 3,reach's campaign felt bit boring at some parts

Halo 2 had the worst campaign in the entire series. Most of the levels were straight up awful.
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#24 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Orchid87"]

People just are getting tired of things, no matter how good they are.

kuraimen

Yeah, but reviewers are supposed to be objective, and their clear inability to do so is pathetic.

If they were objective the Halo series should be AA quality.

No, not really....

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#26 WiiMan21
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It's an opinion on who thinks what game is better.

This will of course change when Killzone 3 comes out, they changed it so much.

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The truth of the situation is that, since KZ2 has the same MC of HR, KZ3 will probably score substantially higher than HR. Anyways, KZ3 has much more content and features for MP, and all of the criticisms of KZ2 have been more than fixed, on top of a "much longercampain"

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Killzone 2 is better than reach to me .
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halo does so much more its not even funny'

co-op, online split screen, forge etc. KZ2 was good but a pretty damn thin package compared to reach

and i wouldnt call a 9 a yr and a half ago the same as a 9 today

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#31 Vader993
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[QUOTE="Vader993"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Reach is a MUCH better game than both of them.DarkLink77

halo 2 had a better campaign than reach and 3,reach's campaign felt bit boring at some parts

Halo 2 had the worst campaign in the entire series. Most of the levels were straight up awful.

i beg to differ,i enjoy the covenant side of the story,in halo 3 bungie abandoned the idea,making the storyline feel uneven

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Then why you're here?

Well, I was expecting a better argument from the TC

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yeah, but reviewers are supposed to be objective, and their clear inability to do so is pathetic.DarkLink77

If they were objective the Halo series should be AA quality.

No, not really....

Yes, yes really. You're seeing the consequence of continuosly overrating a franchise. Do people really think the Halo games deserve the scores they get here? How can a game like Halo 2 receive a 9.4 and ODST a 9? The scores are mostly product of hype and the fact that there's a lot of money behind the series but not of objective analysis. But then again who could be completely objective? is just that Halo goes beyong overhype and overrateness, at least Metacritic levels things a little bit although the Halo franchise is still hugely overrated IMO.
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The truth of the situation is that, since KZ2 has the same MC of HR, KZ3 will probably score substantially higher than HR. Anyways, KZ3 has much more content and features for MP, and all of the criticisms of KZ2 have been more than fixed, on top of a "much longercampain"

justsayin117

They better work on the weapons.. KZ2 made a mind boggling decision with how low tech the weapons are.. Weapons today surpass the weapons in KZ2.. I mean its like the 24th century. Mankind has mastered space combat and space travel.. Yet the most advanced shotgun they have is a pump action with a flashlight attachment? When we already have highly advanced shotguns such as the AA-12. A fully automatic gas powered shotgun..

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] If they were objective the Halo series should be AA quality.kuraimen

No, not really....

Yes, yes really. You're seeing the consequence of continuosly overrating a franchise. Do people really think the Halo games deserve the scores they get here? How can a game like Halo 2 receive a 9.4 and ODST a 9? The scores are mostly product of hype and the fact that there's a lot of money behind the series but not of objective analysis. But then again who could be completely objective? is just that Halo goes beyong overhype and overrateness, at least Metacritic levels things a little bit although the Halo franchise is still hugely overrated IMO.

For consoles when it comes to FPS's.. Yes.. Halo's multiplayer is second to none most times.. Things like being able to play 4 accounts online on the same system is groudn breaking.. Yet I have never seen any other console game come closer.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] If they were objective the Halo series should be AA quality.kuraimen

No, not really....

Yes, yes really. You're seeing the consequence of continuosly overrating a franchise. Do people really think the Halo games deserve the scores they get here? How can a game like Halo 2 receive a 9.4 and ODST a 9? The scores are mostly product of hype and the fact that there's a lot of money behind the series but not of objective analysis. But then again who could be completely objective? is just that Halo goes beyong overhype and overrateness, at least Metacritic levels things a little bit although the Halo franchise is still hugely overrated IMO.

How is it overrated. Please, enlighten with with something that is beyond your opinion.
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[QUOTE="justsayin117"]

The truth of the situation is that, since KZ2 has the same MC of HR, KZ3 will probably score substantially higher than HR. Anyways, KZ3 has much more content and features for MP, and all of the criticisms of KZ2 have been more than fixed, on top of a "much longercampain"

sSubZerOo

They better work on the weapons.. KZ2 made a mind boggling decision with how low tech the weapons are.. Weapons today surpass the weapons in KZ2.. I mean its like the 24th century. Mankind has mastered space combat and space travel.. Yet the most advanced shotgun they have is a pump action with a flashlight attachment? When we already have highly advanced shotguns such as the AA-12. A fully automatic gas powered shotgun..

kz takes place 200 years before halo,on a side note halo's shotgun is pumpaction too

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Killzone 2's multiplayer is quite mediocre where it seems the majority of players are fighting against the controls more then the actual enemy.. Watching two people medium distance trying to shoot one another is pathtetic.. They just stand and strafe alittel bit due to how clumsy the controls feel.. sSubZerOo

this is so true

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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="Rhino53"]

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Then why you're here?

Well, I was expecting a better argument from the TC

Haven't there been over 30 arguments on this topic? Why do you need another of the same old same old. I am just stating a fact along with my personal preference. If you don't like it you don't have to post.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Vader993"]

halo 2 had a better campaign than reach and 3,reach's campaign felt bit boring at some parts

Vader993

Halo 2 had the worst campaign in the entire series. Most of the levels were straight up awful.

i beg to differ,i enjoy the covenant side of the story,in halo 3 bungie abandoned the idea,making the storyline feel uneven

The Arbiter levels are god-awful. I played Halo 2's campaign recently, and the reason they didn't focus on him in Halo 3 was because no one liked it.
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[QUOTE="Vader993"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Halo 2 had the worst campaign in the entire series. Most of the levels were straight up awful.DarkLink77

i beg to differ,i enjoy the covenant side of the story,in halo 3 bungie abandoned the idea,making the storyline feel uneven

The Arbiter levels are god-awful. I played Halo 2's campaign recently, and the reason they didn't focus on him in Halo 3 was because no one liked it.



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[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

halo does so much more its not even funny'

co-op, online split screen, forge etc.

and i wouldnt call a 9 a yr and a half ago the same as a 9 today

Kz2 has an extremely deep ranking system with tons of things to unlock, a squad system with dedicated voice channel, 7 classes to choose and mix abilities from, offline MP with up to 15 other A.I. bots, etc
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] No, not really....

sSubZerOo

Yes, yes really. You're seeing the consequence of continuosly overrating a franchise. Do people really think the Halo games deserve the scores they get here? How can a game like Halo 2 receive a 9.4 and ODST a 9? The scores are mostly product of hype and the fact that there's a lot of money behind the series but not of objective analysis. But then again who could be completely objective? is just that Halo goes beyong overhype and overrateness, at least Metacritic levels things a little bit although the Halo franchise is still hugely overrated IMO.

For consoles when it comes to FPS's.. Yes.. Halo's multiplayer is second to none most times.. Things like being able to play 4 accounts online on the same system is groudn breaking.. Yet I have never seen any other console game come closer.

So why is a game like Warhawk not scoring the same if it has multiplayer than can be played 4 people on the same system? Halo gets the score just because it's Halo, there are other better or comparable games that don't get as much hype and so they get normal, more objective scores.
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Did you know that both of these games don't share roughly 40 of their reviews on Metacritic? That's nearly half of them!


There's a reason we use Gamespot scores on System Wars. Because you can actually compare scores because each game should be judged by the same standards here.

Comparing 40 exclusive Xbox reviews against 40 exclusive Playstation reviews is stupid

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Vader993"]

i beg to differ,i enjoy the covenant side of the story,in halo 3 bungie abandoned the idea,making the storyline feel uneven

Vader993

The Arbiter levels are god-awful. I played Halo 2's campaign recently, and the reason they didn't focus on him in Halo 3 was because no one liked it.

say that to my face

The campaign for Halo 2 was built in 8 months. It sucked. The Arbiter levels sucked. Even Bungie has admitted this.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Killzone 2's multiplayer is quite mediocre where it seems the majority of players are fighting against the controls more then the actual enemy.. Watching two people medium distance trying to shoot one another is pathtetic.. They just stand and strafe alittel bit due to how clumsy the controls feel.. johnnyblazed88

this is so true

...Apparently, both of you dont own PS3's, and I dont think mediocre MP recieves "Best MP of the year" awards...
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#47 johnnyblazed88
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[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

halo does so much more its not even funny'

co-op, online split screen, forge etc.

and i wouldnt call a 9 a yr and a half ago the same as a 9 today

justsayin117

Kz2 has an extremely deep ranking system with tons of things to unlock, a squad system with dedicated voice channel, 7 classes to choose and mix abilities from, offline MP with up to 15 other A.I. bots, etc

i have it

and like i saidits a a thin package compared to reach

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] No, not really....

DarkLink77

Yes, yes really. You're seeing the consequence of continuosly overrating a franchise. Do people really think the Halo games deserve the scores they get here? How can a game like Halo 2 receive a 9.4 and ODST a 9? The scores are mostly product of hype and the fact that there's a lot of money behind the series but not of objective analysis. But then again who could be completely objective? is just that Halo goes beyong overhype and overrateness, at least Metacritic levels things a little bit although the Halo franchise is still hugely overrated IMO.

How is it overrated. Please, enlighten with with something that is beyond your opinion.

It doesn't make things much better than other lower scoring games. Shallow characters and story and mostly forgetable SP campaigns. The only thing it excels on is multiplayer and even that has other games matching it already.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="justsayin117"]

The truth of the situation is that, since KZ2 has the same MC of HR, KZ3 will probably score substantially higher than HR. Anyways, KZ3 has much more content and features for MP, and all of the criticisms of KZ2 have been more than fixed, on top of a "much longercampain"

Vader993

They better work on the weapons.. KZ2 made a mind boggling decision with how low tech the weapons are.. Weapons today surpass the weapons in KZ2.. I mean its like the 24th century. Mankind has mastered space combat and space travel.. Yet the most advanced shotgun they have is a pump action with a flashlight attachment? When we already have highly advanced shotguns such as the AA-12. A fully automatic gas powered shotgun..

kz takes place 200 years before halo,on a side note halo's shotgun is pumpaction too

True but this was just a example of 99% of ALL the weapons in the game.. Halo at least has some futuristic looking weapons with certain things that don't exist today..

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#50 Vader993
Member since 2010 • 7533 Posts

[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Killzone 2's multiplayer is quite mediocre where it seems the majority of players are fighting against the controls more then the actual enemy.. Watching two people medium distance trying to shoot one another is pathtetic.. They just stand and strafe alittel bit due to how clumsy the controls feel.. justsayin117

this is so true

...Apparently, both of you dont own PS3's, and I dont think mediocre MP recieves "Best MP of the year" awards...

And game of the year from gamereactor

http://n4g.com/news/444890/killzone-2-wins-goty-09-award-from-gamereactor