So Is the cell really a super processor?

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

When a dual core is running Crysis completely maxed out, with physics far superior to any PS3 game.

WhenCicadasCry

Um, what? How about trees falling around you, shockwaves causing the vegetation to be effected by wind physics, aswell as particles, aswell as AI routines. Everything in PS3 exclusives is pre calculated. The PS3 struggles to play multiplats in 720p. :lol:

[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

Do they use it in the LHC? (large Hadron Collider)

Is it really more powerful than the latest PC processor (including i7)

I heard the cell outperform other processors? (in game?)

If so, when will it be commercialized as PC processor?

It's IBM, is it not? IBM started PC last I remembered.

Someone tell me how much powerful the cell is than a regular processor and why PS3 is cheaper than a latest gaming PC if the cell is so powerful?

Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]You seem to know quite a bit. Question for you. My motherboard only supports DDR2 but my video cards are DDR3. Is that creating a large bottleneck in my performance?XaosII

While your best bet is to ask in the PC hardware forum, your video card uses GDDR.. and its probably GDDR 4 or 5 by this point since GGDR 3 was used around 2002-ish.

Its completely different and seperate from your memory. Video cards "tap" in directly to your CPU bypassing most of your RAM. While you can get better performance out of more RAM, if you have any particular bottleneck, its like to come from your CPU or video card being too weak.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

Do they use it in the LHC? (large Hadron Collider)

Is it really more powerful than the latest PC processor (including i7)

I heard the cell outperform other processors? (in game?)

If so, when will it be commercialized as PC processor?

It's IBM, is it not? IBM started PC last I remembered.

Someone tell me how much powerful the cell is than a regular processor and why PS3 is cheaper than a latest gaming PC if the cell is so powerful?

TerrorRizzing

The cell is good at some things,

gaming is not one of those things.

The cell is good at some things,

gaming is not one of those things.

htekemerald

Do they use it in the LHC? (large Hadron Collider) No/

Is it really more powerful than the latest PC processor (including i7)AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH no.

I heard the cell outperform other processors? (in game?)no/

If so, when will it be commercialized as PC processor? never

It's IBM, is it not? IBM started PC last I remembered. IBM does a lot of things

Someone tell me how much powerful the cell is than a regular processor and why PS3 is cheaper than a latest gaming PC if the cell is so powerful?

Ravenchrome

wow, here we go again with these generically broad statements like "practical use" and "gaming"

pretty sure my ps3 gets lots of "practical use"

wow, here we go again with these generically broad statements like "practical use" and "gaming"

pretty sure my ps3 gets lots of practical use

i_am_interested

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

wow, here we go again with these generically broad statements like "practical use" and "gaming"

pretty sure my ps3 gets lots of practical use

GTR2addict

you mean something like Torne and PlayTV?

wow, here we go again with these generically broad statements like "practical use" and "gaming"

pretty sure my ps3 gets lots of "practical use"

i_am_interested

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

wow, here we go again with these generically broad statements like "practical use" and "gaming"

pretty sure my ps3 gets lots of "practical use"

ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

The cell is good at some things,

gaming is not one of those things.

i_am_interested

About as good as my old Athlon 4600X2 (crica 2005)

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

The cell is good at some things,

gaming is not one of those things.

htekemerald

About as good as my old Athlon 4600X2 (crica 2005)

listen to Sony's genuine PR for a few hours.

and your mind will be enveloped into the idea that it really is.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] actually its very good for gamingi_am_interested

About as good as my old Athlon 4600X2 (crica 2005)

Funnily enough my 4600 was hooked up to a 7800 gtx (which was significantly more powerful than the ps3)

So yes my q9550 /w 7800gtx would be much more amazing than the ps3.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

About as good as my old Athlon 4600X2 (crica 2005)

htekemerald

Funnily enough my 4600 was hooked up to a 7800 gtx (which was significantly more powerful than the ps3)

So yes my q9550 /w 7800gtx would be much more amazing than the ps3.

not some vanilla game disc that comes as is with no adjustable settings right?

feel free to show me any of these 7800gtx game photos or videos you may have

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] because youre q9550 threoretically connected to a 7800gtx is so amazing right?i_am_interested

Funnily enough my 4600 was hooked up to a 7800 gtx (which was significantly more powerful than the ps3)

So yes my q9550 /w 7800gtx would be much more amazing than the ps3.

not some vanilla game disc that comes as is with no adjustable settings right?

feel free to show me any of these 7800gtx game photos or videos you may have

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Funnily enough my 4600 was hooked up to a 7800 gtx (which was significantly more powerful than the ps3)

So yes my q9550 /w 7800gtx would be much more amazing than the ps3.

htekemerald

not some vanilla game disc that comes as is with no adjustable settings right?

feel free to show me any of these 7800gtx game photos or videos you may have

just like i thought, a lame comparison to vanilla as is console games that dont come anywhere near showing the ps3s power

and who said anything about rendering? i thought we were just talking CPUs here, im sure your 4600 played an amazing role in the rendering process

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] yeah, and by "more powerful" you mean improved ndviida written engine drivers with adjustable developer graphics slider settings right?

not some vanilla game disc that comes as is with no adjustable settings right?

feel free to show me any of these 7800gtx game photos or videos you may have

i_am_interested

just like i thought, a lame comparison to vanilla as is console games that dont come anywhere near showing the ps3s power

and who said anything about rendering? i thought we were just talking CPUs here, im sure your 4600 played an amazing role in the rendering process

If you look up synonyms for the words, "joke" or "failure" you'll find "cell" in there somewhere.

Like, - "I'm just celling with you". or - "That cell was funny" etc.

Technology moves forward, for everybody except the most die hard cows it seems. Six years ago maybe the cell was something to brag about but not today.

If cell was all that, why is Sony ditching using it in PS4 I wonder? If Cell really was more powerful than a high end PC CPU then why the extra cost replacing it with a traditional PC CPU in the next playstation???

If you look up synonyms for the words, "joke" or "failure" you'll find "cell" in there somewhere.

Like, - "I'm just celling with you". or - "That cell was funny" etc.

Technology moves forward, for everybody except the most die hard cows it seems. Six years ago maybe the cell was something to brag about but not today.

If cell was all that, why is Sony ditching using it in PS4 I wonder? If Cell really was more powerful than a high end PC CPU then why the extra cost replacing it with a traditional PC CPU in the next playstation???

fireballonfire

[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

Do they use it in the LHC? (large Hadron Collider)

Is it really more powerful than the latest PC processor (including i7)

I heard the cell outperform other processors? (in game?)

If so, when will it be commercialized as PC processor?

It's IBM, is it not? IBM started PC last I remembered.

Someone tell me how much powerful the cell is than a regular processor and why PS3 is cheaper than a latest gaming PC if the cell is so powerful?

Zero_epyon

That's marketing for you. Cell is a terrible cPU processor. lol. don't believe sony's hype BS.

bphan

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

Nope, the PS3 CPU is far weaker than current computer CPUs.

i_am_interested

lol teh powah

i dun know why all the fuzz and talk about the Cell, it's a good processor but complex, that's about it.

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

Nope, the PS3 CPU is far weaker than current computer CPUs.

i_am_interested

At anything.

The PS3 CPU is pretty weak.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] because shooting 300 stacked barrels fits well into killzone and uncharted's stories right?i_am_interested

Um, what? How about trees falling around you, shockwaves causing the vegetation to be effected by wind physics, aswell as particles, aswell as AI routines. Everything in PS3 exclusives is pre calculated. The PS3 struggles to play multiplats in 720p. :lol:

I am going to pwn you with one video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL-UJksVtlA

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

Nope, the PS3 CPU is far weaker than current computer CPUs.

RyviusRan

At anything.

The PS3 CPU is pretty weak.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Um, what? How about trees falling around you, shockwaves causing the vegetation to be effected by wind physics, aswell as particles, aswell as AI routines. Everything in PS3 exclusives is pre calculated. The PS3 struggles to play multiplats in 720p. :lol:

RyviusRan

I am going to pwn you with one video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL-UJksVtlA

if your argument is - no game is capable of this kind of physics especially since crysis is not and cant be done on ps3 (cell) and no ps3 exclusive matches that kind of physics, you might want to find a new argument

but the graphics... yeah, we're talking cpus here

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] at doing what exactly? running microsoft office?

i_am_interested

At anything.

The PS3 CPU is pretty weak.

And that matters?

I use Xvid when I compress videos and other stuff.

The PS3 is a game console not like it is editing videos like a PC so it doesn't do anything for gaming performance.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

At anything.

The PS3 CPU is pretty weak.

RyviusRan

And that matters?

I use Xvid when I compress videos and other stuff.

The PS3 is a game console not like it is editing videos like a PC so it doesn't do anything for gaming performance.

Ps3? woah woah woah we're talking cell processor here specifically

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] wow, wind physic affecting vegetation, ever hear of flower? even killzone 2 had wind physics that could affect the characters and the particles

i_am_interested

I am going to pwn you with one video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL-UJksVtlA

if your argument is - no game is capable of this kind of physics especially since crysis is not and cant be done on ps3 (cell) and no ps3 exclusive matches that kind of physics, you might want to find a new argument

but the graphics... yeah, we're talking cpus here

ZZZZZZzzzzz you really like nitpicking.

I would like to see the PS3 run that.

Or how about the PS3 run max physx in Mafia 2?

oh wait it is the weakest on physx out of the Xbox 360 and PC.

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] would anything include h.264 encoding?i_am_interested

And that matters?

I use Xvid when I compress videos and other stuff.

The PS3 is a game console not like it is editing videos like a PC so it doesn't do anything for gaming performance.

Ps3? woah woah woah we're talking cell processor here specifically

Your argument is like saying your PS3 is better at cooking meat.

When it really doesn't matter because it is a "game" console.

youd like to see it run it? you mean like the pretty graphics pixels? or the physics calculations? because theyre two different things

its the weakest on physics? why? because 2k czech and massive bear studios failed to implement it?

youre kidding yourself if you think that xenon is better than cell at physics calculations

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

I am going to pwn you with one video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL-UJksVtlA

RyviusRan

if your argument is - no game is capable of this kind of physics especially since crysis is not and cant be done on ps3 (cell) and no ps3 exclusive matches that kind of physics, you might want to find a new argument

but the graphics... yeah, we're talking cpus here

ZZZZZZzzzzz you really like nitpicking.

I would like to see the PS3 run that.

Or how about the PS3 run max physx in Mafia 2?

oh wait it is the weakest on physx out of the Xbox 360 and PC.

youd like to see it run it? you mean like the pretty graphics pixels? or the physics calculations? because theyre two different things its the weakest on physics? why? because 2k czech and massive bear studios failed to implement it? youre kidding yourself if you think that xenos is better than cell at physics calculationsi_am_interested

Well you have little to no proof.

And if the PS3 can run games like that with physx then it doesn't matter how strong it is.

If it can't be implemented in today's games then it is useless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMHeIGjLZ9I

Mafia 2 has nice physx where the debris actually stay on the ground unlike the console versions where it disappears.

I crash into some when driving and the debris from his car fell on my roof and while driving away it rolled off the top of the car.

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] awsome, nothing in that video indicated anything kind of physics calculating that cant be done on cell

if your argument is - no game is capable of this kind of physics especially since crysis is not and cant be done on ps3 (cell) and no ps3 exclusive matches that kind of physics, you might want to find a new argument

but the graphics... yeah, we're talking cpus here

ferret-gamer

ZZZZZZzzzzz you really like nitpicking.

I would like to see the PS3 run that.

Or how about the PS3 run max physx in Mafia 2?

oh wait it is the weakest on physx out of the Xbox 360 and PC.

I know what I am talking about and I am trying to say that even if the PS3 CPU was good at physx if it cannot implement it well in current gen games then it doesn't matter how strong it is.

Another crysis physx vid with the guy throwing 100,000 particle explosion gernades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOjEBBFGsU

Or how about have the PS3 trying to run Arma 2 with 1700+ unscripted AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TnEyrN55I

Arma 2 can be very stressful on the CPU.

yeah dude you dont know anything about the cell processor when it comes to calculations other than apparently what 2k czech and massive bear studios has "educated" you with because apparently theyre cell experts when it comes game development feel free to keep talking about mafia 2 thoughi_am_interested

Like it doesn't matter when the PS3 has weak hardware.

It has a very low amount of RAM and an outdated and gimped GPU.

Without good hardware it wouldn't matter.

Even the best PS3 games that are made just for the PS3 pale in comparison to many PC games.

I also question your knowledge when you only bring up h.264 encoding as an argument.

Words mean very little when videos can be shown running games.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

ZZZZZZzzzzz you really like nitpicking.

I would like to see the PS3 run that.

Or how about the PS3 run max physx in Mafia 2?

oh wait it is the weakest on physx out of the Xbox 360 and PC.

RyviusRan

I know what I am talking about and I am trying to say that even if the PS3 CPU was good at physx if it cannot implement it well in current gen games then it doesn't matter how strong it is.

Another crysis physx vid with the guy throwing 100,000 particle explosion gernades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOjEBBFGsU

Or how about have the PS3 try to run Arma 2 with 1700+ unscripted AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TnEyrN55I

Arma 2 can be very stressful on the CPU.

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] honestly you arent helping your argument very much when you dont understand what you are talking about.i_am_interested

I know what I am talking about and I am trying to say that even if the PS3 CPU was good at physx if it cannot implement it well in current gen games then it doesn't matter how strong it is.

Another crysis physx vid with the guy throwing 100,000 particle explosion gernades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOjEBBFGsU

Or how about have the PS3 try to run Arma 2 with 1700+ unscripted AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TnEyrN55I

Arma 2 can be very stressful on the CPU.

Excuses.....Excuses.

Like I said the PS3 hardware is far too old and outdated.

Saying that you have no evidence because everyone sucks at developing for the architectureof the CPU is not getting you anywhere.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

I know what I am talking about and I am trying to say that even if the PS3 CPU was good at physx if it cannot implement it well in current gen games then it doesn't matter how strong it is.

Another crysis physx vid with the guy throwing 100,000 particle explosion gernades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOjEBBFGsU

Or how about have the PS3 try to run Arma 2 with 1700+ unscripted AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TnEyrN55I

Arma 2 can be very stressful on the CPU.

RyviusRan

Excuses.....Excuses.

Like I said the PS3 hardware is far too old and outdated.

Saying that you have no evidence because everyone sucks at developing for the architectureof the CPU is not getting you anywhere.

no.

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] awsome dude, youre only argument is "show me it on ps3" - gladly, just let start up my imaginary version of cryengine 3 here while i wait for my imaginary debug kit to start up cpu wasnt good enough to implement it? or the developer wasnt? never mind that it was probably their first attempt with an asymmetrical processori_am_interested

Excuses.....Excuses.

Like I said the PS3 hardware is far too old and outdated.

Saying that you have no evidence because everyone sucks at developing for the architectureof the CPU is not getting you anywhere.

Ummmm no I don't want you to show me a Crysis modded video running on a PS3. I want you to show me any PS3 video game that shows something comparable.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

ZZZZZZzzzzz you really like nitpicking.

I would like to see the PS3 run that.

Or how about the PS3 run max physx in Mafia 2?

oh wait it is the weakest on physx out of the Xbox 360 and PC.

RyviusRan

I know what I am talking about and I am trying to say that even if the PS3 CPU was good at physx if it cannot implement it well in current gen games then it doesn't matter how strong it is.

Another crysis physx vid with the guy throwing 100,000 particle explosion gernades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOjEBBFGsU

Or how about have the PS3 trying to run Arma 2 with 1700+ unscripted AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TnEyrN55I

Arma 2 can be very stressful on the CPU.

Nah ya dont, you just think ya do. :P So i will point out some flaws.

1. Crysis doesnt use physx cryengine2 has its own in house physics engine.

2. Xigmatek's crysis vids that you have posted are made with an altered timescale to allow his processor more time to calculate hte physics. AKA not in real time..

3. neither the 360 nor the ps3 verison of mafia 2 have any physx implementationonly the PC. And that can only be ran smoothly with a powerful graphics card, even an i7 would start crying from medium physx although that is partially from nvidia's x86 coding of the cpu physx, but even with the theoritical 2x performance increase from using sse3 instructions no processor would be enough to run mafia 2's physx smoothly on medium.

4. Your analysis of the ps3 and nvidia cuda physx type applications is incorrect, the cell would have an advantage over a traditional processor. CUDA Physx is a parralell processing technique used to calculate large amount of physx interactions. That sort of thing is what the cell was made for, just pumping out mathematical operations like the h.x264 encoding. The cell can utilize parralell processing capabilities just like a nvidia CUDA card or an ATI STream card.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

Excuses.....Excuses.

Like I said the PS3 hardware is far too old and outdated.

Saying that you have no evidence because everyone sucks at developing for the architectureof the CPU is not getting you anywhere.

RyviusRan

Ummmm no I don't want you to show me a Crysis moddedvideoon a PS3 I want you to show me any PS3 video game that shows something comparable.

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] honestly you arent helping your argument very much when you dont understand what you are talking about.ferret-gamer

I know what I am talking about and I am trying to say that even if the PS3 CPU was good at physx if it cannot implement it well in current gen games then it doesn't matter how strong it is.

Another crysis physx vid with the guy throwing 100,000 particle explosion gernades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOjEBBFGsU

Or how about have the PS3 trying to run Arma 2 with 1700+ unscripted AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6TnEyrN55I

Arma 2 can be very stressful on the CPU.

Nah ya dont, you just think ya do. :P So i will point out some flaws.

1. Crysis doesnt use physx cryengine2 has its own in house physics engine.

2. Xigmatek's crysis vids that you have posted are made with an altered timescale to allow his processor more time to calculate hte physics. AKA not in real time..

3. neither the 360 nor the ps3 verison of mafia 2 have any physx implementationonly the PC. And that can only be ran smoothly with a powerful graphics card, even an i7 would start crying from medium physx although that is partially from nvidia's x86 coding of the cpu physx, but even with the theoritical 2x performance increase from using sse3 instructions no processor would be enough to run mafia 2's physx smoothly on medium.

4. Your analysis of the ps3 and nvidia cuda physx type applications is incorrect, the cell would have an advantage over a traditional processor. CUDA Physx is a parralell processing technique used to calculate large amount of physx interactions. That sort of thing is what the cell was made for, just pumping out mathematical operations like the h.x264 encoding. The cell can utilize parralell processing capabilities just like a nvidia CUDA card or an ATI STream card.

1. it is still a demonstration of physics and mass calculation.

2. Ummm no......I have some of his mods and they run just fine.

3. I can run mafia 2 on high physx just fine on an amd athlon x2 5200+, I just removed the NPC clothes phsyx. It still shows vito's clothes in high phyxs and destructible environments too.

4. Sure it may be good at encoding h .x264 videos but when it comes to games it has yet to be seen at all so it is useless.

Isnt the cell one of the reasons why most games perform worse on PS3? It may be very powerfull in theory, but it not very good in practice.