So it's been about six months since the PS3 and Wii launched

plenty of time indeed. people will always find excuses for both system's weak libraries though...

plus it's time to stop calling 360/PS3 "next gen"

I agree, ppl should stop using "360's been out for an extra year" as a defence,the words are right, but then again, 360 will always be a year older than the others (excluding PC), and the argument means nothing, now is now not a year before.

"360 didn't have a good library a year ago" while it does now and that's what matters.

here in England both are easy to find, but PS3 i dont are selling that well here atm most of my friends still dont have it (mainly price), i think its time for the PS3 o be directly compared to the xbox 360.

plenty of time indeed. people will always find excuses for both system's weak libraries though...

plus it's time to stop calling 360/PS3 "next gen"

bryehngeocef

Well Wii has the issue of late third party devs 

Plenty of time to do what?Jandurin

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?CaseyWegner

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

Six more months. The majority of the systems ever released were pretty terrible to mediocre in their first six months.

6 months and what have we got from the PS3?

1) Resistance: A game that visually looked rushed and was pretty much a Halo rip-off in every way possible

2) Motorstorm: An Arcade racer with 1 gameplay option and no splitscreen multiplayer. Nuff said.

3) VF5: A "next-gen" fighter with no new gameplay modes and no online. Again, nuff said.

4) Genji: Days of the Blade: Nice idea, too bad the camera is nothing more than a drunk uncle that ruins it.

5) F1 CE: Good sim that's hard to get into if your not a really hardcore fan of F1. Seriously, I tried.

6) MLB 07: The Show: Poor visuals and cruddy fielding leaves this thing in the dust.

wow, way to go Sony. Oh, and I didn't even bother to mention the pathetic Untold Legends and Gundam games.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?CaseyWegner

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

IMO, it shouldn't be an excuse for 1st/2nd party titles (but then for example the Wii already did put out some good first-party games. It is pretty logical that MP3, SSB Brawl and Mario Galaxy aren't out yet. Same could hold to a lesser extent for the PS3 and 360.)

But it is a good excuse for 3rd party developers... but I agree that that shouldn't automatically mean that the great 3rd party games will come >1 year after the system's release. 

6 months and what have we got from the PS3?

1) Resistance: A game that visually looked rushed and was pretty much a Halo rip-off in every way possible

2) Motorstorm: An Arcade racer with 1 gameplay option and no splitscreen multiplayer. Nuff said.

3) VF5: A "next-gen" fighter with no new gameplay modes and no online. Again, nuff said.

4) Genji: Days of the Blade: Nice idea, too bad the camera is nothing more than a drunk uncle that ruins it.

5) F1 CE: Good sim that's hard to get into if your not a really hardcore fan of F1. Seriously, I tried.

6) MLB 07: The Show: Poor visuals and cruddy fielding leaves this thing in the dust.

 

wow, way to go Sony. Oh, and I didn't even bother to mention the pathetic Untold Legends and Gundam games.

SkyCastleDan

Within 6 months, a console ought to at least have one killer app. I can count two for the Wii: Wii sports and LOZ:TP.

I can't count a single one for PS3 though...(and no, Resistance doesn't count, sorry)

wii already has zelda as a killer app. later this year wii will get 3 more: pokeman, mario, metroid, and ssbb. what more could you ask for in wiis lineup. 5 of nintendo's top franchises in 1 year. 

the good games will start rolling in this summer. remember it took 360 1 year to get its only killer app. just wait until the holiday season for the ps3. sony is going to annialate the competition this year.

when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?CaseyWegner

Considering that it takes around 8 to 14 months to develop a game for a console, I'd say you have until septemberish before you stop hearing that excuse. 

Within 6 months, a console ought to at least have one killer app. I can count two for the Wii: Wii sports and LOZ:TP.

I can't count a single one for PS3 though...(and no, Resistance doesn't count, sorry)

masterdeviance

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

6 months and what have we got from the PS3?

1) Resistance: A game that visually looked rushed and was pretty much a Halo rip-off in every way possible

2) Motorstorm: An Arcade racer with 1 gameplay option and no splitscreen multiplayer. Nuff said.

3) VF5: A "next-gen" fighter with no new gameplay modes and no online. Again, nuff said.

4) Genji: Days of the Blade: Nice idea, too bad the camera is nothing more than a drunk uncle that ruins it.

5) F1 CE: Good sim that's hard to get into if your not a really hardcore fan of F1. Seriously, I tried.

6) MLB 07: The Show: Poor visuals and cruddy fielding leaves this thing in the dust.

 

wow, way to go Sony. Oh, and I didn't even bother to mention the pathetic Untold Legends and Gundam games.

mmirza23

Hey now! I've played MLB. It does run smoother, at times. Some animations are really clunky don't ya think? As for the stadiums and player models....they look like crap. Come on, no turning a blind eye now. Plus, gameplay hasn't changed at all from the PS2 version, which was a great game mind you.

How long did lemmings use that excuse?karicha9

I really dont know why lemmings would use it. I thought the games at launch all the way till now have been good atleast to me so I have really never used that crap ass exuse.

How long did lemmings use that excuse?karicha9

until geow came out.

[QUOTE="mmirza23"][QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

6 months and what have we got from the PS3?

1) Resistance: A game that visually looked rushed and was pretty much a Halo rip-off in every way possible

2) Motorstorm: An Arcade racer with 1 gameplay option and no splitscreen multiplayer. Nuff said.

3) VF5: A "next-gen" fighter with no new gameplay modes and no online. Again, nuff said.

4) Genji: Days of the Blade: Nice idea, too bad the camera is nothing more than a drunk uncle that ruins it.

5) F1 CE: Good sim that's hard to get into if your not a really hardcore fan of F1. Seriously, I tried.

6) MLB 07: The Show: Poor visuals and cruddy fielding leaves this thing in the dust.

 

wow, way to go Sony. Oh, and I didn't even bother to mention the pathetic Untold Legends and Gundam games.

SkyCastleDan

Hey now! I've played MLB. It does run smoother, at times. Some animations are really clunky don't ya think? As for the stadiums and player models....they look like crap. Come on, no turning a blind eye now. Plus, gameplay hasn't changed at all from the PS2 version, which was a great game mind you.

[QUOTE="masterdeviance"]

Within 6 months, a console ought to at least have one killer app. I can count two for the Wii: Wii sports and LOZ:TP.

I can't count a single one for PS3 though...(and no, Resistance doesn't count, sorry)

nickmag

Nah.  "Killer App" usually means a game that scores well and is recieved well by the general public.  In other words, it doesn't just sell itself, it sells consoles.  Oblivion isn't really doing that.  It didn't do that for the 360 either. 

[QUOTE="karicha9"]How long did lemmings use that excuse?InfamousC

until geow came out.

But Lemmings got to use that excuse when the next-gen was actually  new. Now Sony enters the market thinking its the new-breed of gaming, but its not. Hence why the Wii's got the right idea by offering a million or so virtual console games and good 1st party titles like Zelda and Wario Ware. PS3 just entered the next-gen market thinking, ok the next-gen wars start now cause were here, and got the butts kicked.

Oh, and before Gears, Lemmings had Kameo, Dead Rising and other GOOD games to talk about. PS3? Well, a Halo clone, an arcade racer with one gameplay option and no multiplayer and a fighter with no online or new gameplay options. And any other killer-ap PS3 has is just garbage (Genji, Gundam) So Lemmings win on that one mister InfamousCow.

when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?CaseyWegner

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

In the console market, perception gets well established in the first nine months.  After that it's very resistant to change.  Just ask the "No games" PSP, the "Just FPS" Xbox 360, or the "kiddy" GameCube. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?CaseyWegner

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

What are u trying to say the PS3 doesnt have good games?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?darthogre

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

compare AAA and AA exclusives. how does your list look after that?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?-Sir-Poof-

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

What are u trying to say the PS3 doesnt have good games?

i said "good" games. games that qualify as good in system wars are AA and above.

Wii / PS3 have been out for 6 months.

360 has been out for 18 months.

So 360 has been out for 3 times as long as the PS3 / Wii.

So when you consider that I'd say both the PS3 and the Wii are doing good.

when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?CaseyWegner

Only a fool wouldn't wait for the games that are releasing this fall (on both the Wii and PS3). I have all three and I think that the Wii is lacking more compared to the other two consoles at the moment :(.

The only reason people tend to believe that there are no "good" games to play on the PS3 is becuase of no AAA title here on GameSpot. Fans forget that the PS3 is selling very well, especially with actual next-gen competition.

The Wii is somehow excused most of the time for lack of games due to it's crazy sales.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?CaseyWegner

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

I had to wait 8 months for the Ps2. 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?Episode_Eve

Only a fool wouldn't wait for the games that are releasing this fall (on both the Wii and PS3). I have all three and I think that the Wii is lacking more compared to the other two consoles at the moment :(.

The only reason people tend to believe that there are no "good" games to play on the PS3 is becuase of no AAA title here on GameSpot. Fans forget that the PS3 is selling very well, especially with actual next-gen competition.

The Wii is somehow excused most of the time for lack of games due to it's crazy sales.

The Wii's success doesn't really have much to do with its gaming library at this point. The motion sensor technology has been the real selling point.

wii already has zelda as a killer app. later this year wii will get 3 more: pokeman, mario, metroid, and ssbb. what more could you ask for in wiis lineup. 5 of nintendo's top franchises in 1 year.

the good games will start rolling in this summer. remember it took 360 1 year to get its only killer app. just wait until the holiday season for the ps3. sony is going to annialate the competition this year.

InfamousC

Right, because PDZ, Oblivion, and GRAW, all of which were AAA titles werent system sellers? Not to mention R6V, Dead Rising, COD2, Madden 07 as well, all of which came out in the first year. Dude, your denial is beneath you, and thanks to the use of hallucinagenic drugs,...I see through you.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?CaseyWegner

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

compare AAA and AA exclusives. how does your list look after that?

Now it's about scores? Games are games regardless of scores. Looking outside of SW scores, they can be fair or less in comparison. But if you put those scores aside, then you have a even amount of games.

What was the point of this thread again?

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?CaseyWegner

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

compare AAA and AA exclusives. how does your list look after that?

Changes the list up, but nobody ourside of the vocal minority (i.e. the hardcore) would notice, or care.

[QUOTE="InfamousC"]

[QUOTE="karicha9"]How long did lemmings use that excuse?SkyCastleDan

until geow came out.

But Lemmings got to use that excuse when the next-gen was actually  new. Now Sony enters the market thinking its the new-breed of gaming, but its not. Hence why the Wii's got the right idea by offering a million or so virtual console games and good 1st party titles like Zelda and Wario Ware. PS3 just entered the next-gen market thinking, ok the next-gen wars start now cause were here, and got the butts kicked.

Oh, and before Gears, Lemmings had Kameo, Dead Rising and other GOOD games to talk about. PS3? Well, a Halo clone, an arcade racer with one gameplay option and no multiplayer and a fighter with no online or new gameplay options. And any other killer-ap PS3 has is just garbage (Genji, Gundam) So Lemmings win on that one mister InfamousCow.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?Michael85

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

compare AAA and AA exclusives. how does your list look after that?

Changes the list up, but nobody ourside of the vocal minority (i.e. the hardcore) would notice, or care.

Motorstorm, Sonic, SSX Blur and Crackdown are about in the same level. 

when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?CaseyWegner

Compare the releases of the first 6 months of the 360. Not much difference in number of games and sales (and europe has released only 2 months ago). In my book resistance own every 360 laucnh game by far. Did you even see what's comming? (drake's fortune, lbp, home, ff13, mgs, ratched, ninja gaiden, socom, GT and then there's team ico, god of war etc.). They have alot of variety setup while the 360 is going the shooter route again.

Wii is another story. Doesn't interest me but they're succeding in sales apparently. Just not a gamers machine but a party crowd getter. 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?Episode_Eve

Only a fool wouldn't wait for the games that are releasing this fall (on both the Wii and PS3). I have all three and I think that the Wii is lacking more compared to the other two consoles at the moment :(.

The only reason people tend to believe that there are no "good" games to play on the PS3 is becuase of no AAA title here on GameSpot. Fans forget that the PS3 is selling very well, especially with actual next-gen competition.

The Wii is somehow excused most of the time for lack of games due to it's crazy sales.

[QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?CaseyWegner

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

What are u trying to say the PS3 doesnt have good games?

i said "good" games. games that qualify as good in system wars are AA and above.

I swore I was playing "good" games whenever i popped in Resistance, VF, Ridge Racer, Call of Duty, NBA 2K7, Motorstorm o wait by your standards its not a "good" game because of .1 point.

The Wii's success doesn't really have much to do with its gaming library at this point. The motion sensor technology has been the real selling point.

masterdeviance

Wrong.  It's the motion-sensing software that the technology enables.  Only a small minority composed of enthusiasts purchase hardware because they actually have interest in the hardware itself.  For the bulk of the market, acquiring the hardware is simply an obstacle to overcome in order to play the games they want to play.  You're forced to buy a DVD player to watch movies, and you're forced to buy a Wii to play Wii Sports or Super Paper Mario or Rayman Raving Rabbids or Zelda.

[QUOTE="Michael85"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?loco145

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

compare AAA and AA exclusives. how does your list look after that?

Changes the list up, but nobody ourside of the vocal minority (i.e. the hardcore) would notice, or care.

Motorstorm, Sonic, SSX Blur and Crackdown are about in the same level.

Regarding the general gaming public, I would assume that Crackdown is the title to pick out of those four.  I'm talking casuals and hardcore together.