So it's been about six months since the PS3 and Wii launched

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]nobody takes gamespots scores serious around the net, everyone uses gamerankings now. when games are as expensive as they are now and consoles cost as much as cheap cars, youd be dumb to go off scores from one site especially when their credibility has taken hits.

also pc ports arent exclusive.Chris-Hansen

when did i say they were? :|

gamespot was voted as to what should be used here as the standard. people started questioning gs when they didn't see what they wanted to see.

yes.

CaseyWegner

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, then.  My assessment of the nature of the groupthink differs from yours.

I've been checking practically every thread on the front page - in the absence of game releases to support hype bets, scores don't form a significant part of the majority of discussion.  There are obviously those that live and die by them, but they are balanced by many other cliques that don't give a damn about scores. 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

lol, does this mean SNES > X360?

I mean if it had more AAA games during it's first 6 months of launch it must be better rofl.

I'm not calling you an idoit but I am finding it funny you want to start an argument with flawed logic but defend it because that is "system war standards". Forgive me but I didn't honestly think the system war forum had standards.

Trading_Zoner

come back to the boat. you're drifting away. do you even realize that i didn't even mention the 360 until somebody else brought it up? i've never once even said that the 360 is better...i don't even have one. why are you bringing this snes into this?

there is no flaw in my logic. this is system wars so we use system wars standards.

:lol:

which is what exactly?

system wars standards: PS TRIPLE IS DA **** WII SHOULD COPY PS TRIPLES GAMES.

AA and AAA are what matter. gamespot's reviews are the standard that we use here. a game is a flop if it scores below what it was hyped to be.

those are the basics.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes.

Iyethar

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, then.  My assessment of the nature of the groupthink differs from yours.

I've been checking practically every thread on the front page - in the absence of game releases to support hype bets, scores don't form a significant part of the majority of discussion.  There are obviously those that live and die by them, but they are balanced by many other cliques that don't give a damn about scores. 

the ones who don't care about scores are the ones who don't have them to fall back on.

How else you think is calculated? Most of the NPD data is restrained and isn't worldwide.

loco145

I hadn't actually thought about it, to be honest.  The worldwide bit isn't actually a concern as both attach rate figures are for North America, anyway.  I guess I just accepted it at face value.

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How else you think is calculated? Most of the NPD data is restrained and isn't worldwide.

Iyethar

I hadn't actually thought about it, to be honest. The worldwide bit isn't actually a concern as both attach rate figures are for North America, anyway. I guess I just accepted it at face value.

Well, the truth is that xbox360 in USA do buy a lot of games though, but until Gears the 360 didn't had a single game selling like TP. The 4.9 Wii figure is WW, came from the last nintendo profit report.

the ones who don't care about scores are the ones who don't have them to fall back on.

CaseyWegner

the ones who don't care about sales are the ones who don't have them to fall back on.

the ones who don't care about graphics are the ones who don't have them to fall back on.

the ones who don't care about motion-sensing are the ones who don't have it to fall back on. 

the ones who don't care about Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony first party games are the ones who don't have them to fall back on.

Standards based on scores is a tautology.  The system that has the most games with high Gamespot review scores is the system that has the most games that were given high review scores by GameSpot.  That fact will have a certain amount of persuasive power depending on whom you are talking to.

Sony never releases their heavy hitters until 1 year after launch, and Nintendo doesnt need good games because people are buying the Wii like crazy...when the time is right, they will release games.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

lol, does this mean SNES > X360?

I mean if it had more AAA games during it's first 6 months of launch it must be better rofl.

I'm not calling you an idoit but I am finding it funny you want to start an argument with flawed logic but defend it because that is "system war standards".  Forgive me but I didn't honestly think the system war forum had standards.

CaseyWegner

come back to the boat. you're drifting away. do you even realize that i didn't even mention the 360 until somebody else brought it up? i've never once even said that the 360 is better...i don't even have one. why are you bringing this snes into this?

there is no flaw in my logic. this is system wars so we use system wars standards.

Ok I'm confused, adrift I guess :roll:

You say this isn't about X360 yet you want me to compare the amount of AAA exclusive games to them?  I believe it's a legit question however I'm trying to tell you it's impossible to use the standards you have placed upon on this arguement. 

If I remember correctly the way Gamespot will rate a games, part of the score is based off does it push the bar past the current standard.  My point is when you have 2nd generation X360 games rasing the bar so high it'll be impossible to compare 1st generation PS3 games scores.  X360 had the benefit of being first, therefore their scores are going to be higher by default.  Are you saying you don't understand this?

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]nobody takes gamespots scores serious around the net, everyone uses gamerankings now. when games are as expensive as they are now and consoles cost as much as cheap cars, youd be dumb to go off scores from one site especially when their credibility has taken hits.

also pc ports arent exclusive.CaseyWegner

when did i say they were? :|

gamespot was voted as to what should be used here as the standard. people started questioning gs when they didn't see what they wanted to see.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?darthogre

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

You can compare the first six months of each console all you want, it doesn't change the fact that right NOW the PS3 has almost nothing and the Xbox 360 has a very strong lineup of games.  

You can compare the first six months of each console all you want, it doesn't change the fact that right NOW the PS3 has almost nothing and the Xbox 360 has a very strong lineup of games.  -Beowulf

No doubt, I never disputed that infact I've said over and over if it wasn't for the Hardware problems, X360 would have the best shot at being number 1 this gen.

What is ridiculous is trying to argue about 1st generation titles.......historically you don't see huge games until a year after it's released.  X360 proves this point.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?-Beowulf

Really?

6 months of X360 they had: CAll Duty 2, DOA 4, Madden, Need 4 Speed M. Wanted, Perfect DZ, PGR 3, Tony Hawk, King Kong, Quake 4, Kameo, Fight Night R 3, Full Auto, Ghost Recon A. War, Oufit, Battlfield 2, Burnout Rev, Rumble Rose XX, X-men 3.

Did I miss anything?

PS3 same time period: Tony Hawk, Marvel Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Madden, NBA 07, Ridge Racer, Need for Speed Carbon, Sonic the Hedgehog, Genji 2, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, F1 Racing, Def Jam Icon, NBA Street Homecourt, Motorstorm, Armored Core 4, Virtua Tennis3, Splinter Cell Doubt Agent, Spiderman 3, F.E.A.R, MLB 07.

Fanboy or not, if you didn't complain about X360's lineup and complain about PS3's lineup for the first 6 months......you don't have a leg to stand on.

You can compare the first six months of each console all you want, it doesn't change the fact that right NOW the PS3 has almost nothing and the Xbox 360 has a very strong lineup of games.  

Further, this question about good games is also pointless. What is a good game? That is an opinion. And any attempt to standardize other peoples judgements with a single review score is foolish. We all have AAA games which we cannot stand and games that scored below 7 we love. It's a matter of opinion. Trying to remove the individual aspect of that is impossible, foolhardy, and arrogant.

The only purpose that review scores serve in this context is to score "ownage" in some fanboy pissing contest. I don't know about you guys, but I think there's more to SW than that, and any attempt to boil SW down to just that should be treated with distain.

The only purpose that review scores serve in this context is to score "ownage" in some fanboy pissing contest. I don't know about you guys, but I think there's more to SW than that, and any attempt to boil SW down to just that should be treated with distain.

Hoffgod

Awesome, couldn't say it better myself.  System Wars is what people contribute to it.  Nothing more, but also nothing less. 

when are we going to stop hearing that we should give them time since they just launched? it's been six months. that sounds like plenty of time to me. :?CaseyWegner

nobody takes gamespots scores serious around the net, everyone uses gamerankings now. when games are as expensive as they are now and consoles cost as much as cheap cars, youd be dumb to go off scores from one site especially when their credibility has taken hits.

also pc ports arent exclusive.Chris-Hansen

If you want to use gamerankings go to their site or another forum. This site and forum is for GS incase you didn't notice the name of the site you're in. If you don't like it you should leave cause the rule here is GS scores are the standard. Not saying I agree with tall of the scores but that's the standard and I didn't make up the rules here 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]nobody takes gamespots scores serious around the net, everyone uses gamerankings now. when games are as expensive as they are now and consoles cost as much as cheap cars, youd be dumb to go off scores from one site especially when their credibility has taken hits.

also pc ports arent exclusive.Chris-Hansen

when did i say they were? :|

gamespot was voted as to what should be used here as the standard. people started questioning gs when they didn't see what they wanted to see.

Dude you think so low of this site and say it has no "Cred" in the real world then please leave it. If you don't like it then don't post here it's very simple. If you think it's "microspot" then by all means find a better place for yourself 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]nobody takes gamespots scores serious around the net, everyone uses gamerankings now. when games are as expensive as they are now and consoles cost as much as cheap cars, youd be dumb to go off scores from one site especially when their credibility has taken hits.

also pc ports arent exclusive.Chris-Hansen

when did i say they were? :|

gamespot was voted as to what should be used here as the standard. people started questioning gs when they didn't see what they wanted to see.

the people who call it microspot are just the ones who are mad that they didn't see what they wanted to see. it's ridiculous. gamespot has flopped more hyped xbox/xbox 360 games than it has gc/ps2/wii/ps3 games combined.

Ok I'm confused, adrift I guess :roll:

You say this isn't about X360 yet you want me to compare the amount of AAA exclusive games to them?  I believe it's a legit question however I'm trying to tell you it's impossible to use the standards you have placed upon on this arguement. 

If I remember correctly the way Gamespot will rate a games, part of the score is based off does it push the bar past the current standard.  My point is when you have 2nd generation X360 games rasing the bar so high it'll be impossible to compare 1st generation PS3 games scores.  X360 had the benefit of being first, therefore their scores are going to be higher by default.  Are you saying you don't understand this?

darthogre

you think gamespot is comparing 1st gen ps3 games to 2nd gen 360 games?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?CaseyWegner

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

The 360 didn't get its system seller until a year after it launched.  I think we should wait a year for the other console's killer aps.

it sounds ridiculous that we should have to wait a year for high quality games to come out. CaseyWegner

it sounds ridiculous that we should have to wait a year for high quality games to come out. CaseyWegner

Depends, when did people start working on games for them?t2wave

when was the last time a console launched without a AAA game? ;)

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it sounds ridiculous that we should have to wait a year for high quality games to come out. Jandurin

why does it matter that i don't have a current gen system?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it sounds ridiculous that we should have to wait a year for high quality games to come out. CaseyWegner

why does it matter that i don't have a current gen system?

I don't either, but I have played all 3 and for what's available and coming out soon, I'm getting the 360 and wii first then waiting a cpl years for ps3

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Depends, when did people start working on games for them?CaseyWegner

when was the last time a console launched without a AAA game? ;)

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Depends, when did people start working on games for them?Chris-Hansen

when was the last time a console launched without a AAA game? ;)

you don't play baseball by the rules of tennis and you don't play system wars by the rules of gamerankings.com

Dude you think so low of this site and say it has no "Cred" in the real world then please leave it. If you don't like it then don't post here it's very simple. If you think it's "microspot" then by all means find a better place for yourself kcpp2b

the people who call it microspot are just the ones who are mad that they didn't see what they wanted to see. it's ridiculous. gamespot has flopped more hyped xbox/xbox 360 games than it has gc/ps2/wii/ps3 games combined. CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Depends, when did people start working on games for them?CaseyWegner

when was the last time a console launched without a AAA game? ;)

you don't play baseball by the rules of tennis and you don't play system wars by the rules of gamerankings.com

its not only the scores but the news coverage, stories, articles, comparisons, etc.Chris-Hansen

again, it's people not seeing what they wanted to see. when resistance was reviewed, there was massive backlash calling gamespot biased and a lot of ps3 die hards left or threatened to leave. you know what?...it wasn't AAA at gamerankings either. these are the kinds of people calling gamespot microspot. if they'd open their eyes they'd see how ridiculous their claims actually are.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="t2wave"]Depends, when did people start working on games for them?Chris-Hansen

when was the last time a console launched without a AAA game? ;)

you don't play baseball by the rules of tennis and you don't play system wars by the rules of gamerankings.com

gamespot is one of 30 (i believe) sources to give pdz a 9 or higher. more gave it lower but you're acting like they were the only ones to rate it that high.

This thread is nothing but a damage control, open invite to bring in the PS3 bashers because over the past couple of days people have been talking about how impressed they were with Sony's gamers day, and have expressed how excited that they were for the upcoming releases that the PS3 has coming out over the course of the next few months....which LOOK FANTASTIC. The TC, being a MOD obviously knows that these games are getting ready to come out as well....and that is actually what I find to be the most humorous thing about this entire topic.:P

I also find it rather hilarious that everytime someone brings up how subpar the 360's first 6 months were as a comparison, everyone is quick to jump on the defensive by spouting off how, "well that was then, and the PS3 should be compared to the 360 now", lol. I really like this one as well, "no, you cannot use Resistance as a worthy title...it does not count".:lol: As if the 360's LACK LUSTER first six months and YEAR HEADSTART are not relevant to the fact that the PS3 has only been out for 6 months, lol. Sounds real fair, and logical there guys.:lol:

No matter though. After the games like Sigma, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Killzone 2, ect start dropping over the course of the next few months, there are not going to be anymore "there are no games" excuses to use in order to try and make yourself feel superior and justified in your hate of the PS3 for whatever ridiculous reasons, lol. But, I guess you can just go ahead and keep trying to ignore the fact of the existence of these impending releases if it really makes you feel better, lol. 

its not that simple, you act like gamespot isnt the same thing as all the other sites, you are all rating games not playing different sports as your analogy puts it.with times rules change, especially corrupt rules. maybe its time for a change ;) when a rating is off by 10 points and is barely AA according to everyone else and AAA here, there is something wrong.helium_flash

it sounds ridiculous that we should have to wait a year for high quality games to come out. CaseyWegner

Quality? I assume you going by SW rules...You don't think it's ridiculous to put SW rules for gaming on others? Quality is subjective. Quality is not SW rating system. 

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]its not only the scores but the news coverage, stories, articles, comparisons, etc.CaseyWegner

again, it's people not seeing what they wanted to see. when resistance was reviewed, there was massive backlash calling gamespot biased and a lot of ps3 die hards left or threatened to leave. you know what?...it wasn't AAA at gamerankings either. these are the kinds of people calling gamespot microspot. if they'd open their eyes they'd see how ridiculous their claims actually are.

This thread is nothing but a damage control, open invite to bring in the PS3 bashers because over the past couple of days people have been talking about how impressed they were with Sony's gamers day, and have expressed how excited that they were for the upcoming releases that the PS3 has coming out over the course of the next few months....which LOOK FANTASTIC. The TC, being a MOD obviously knows that these games are getting ready to come out as well....and that is actually what I find to be the most humorous thing about this entire topic.:P

I also find it rather hilarious that everytime someone brings up how subpar the 360's first 6 months were as a comparison, everyone is quick to jump on the defensive by spouting off how, "well that was then, and the PS3 should be compared to the 360 now", lol. I really like this one as well, "no, you cannot use Resistance as a worthy title...it does not count".:lol: As if the 360's LACK LUSTER first six months and YEAR HEADSTART are not relevant to the fact that the PS3 has only been out for 6 months, lol. Sounds real fair, and logical there guys.:lol:

No matter though. After the games like Sigma, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Killzone 2, ect start dropping over the course of the next few months, there are not going to be anymore "there are no games" excuses to use in order to try and make yourself feel superior and justified in your hate of the PS3 for whatever ridiculous reasons, lol. But, I guess you can just go ahead and keep trying to ignore the fact of the existence of these impending releases if it really makes you feel better, lol. 

ironcreed

actually, this was a spur of the moment thread and had nothing to do with the sony conference considering i mentioned the wii as well. nice that you ignored that. :)

what i find more hilarious than what you find hilarious is that it's the cows saying that you can't compare the 360's first 6 months with the ps3...not the lemmings. the 360 had a good first six months. :)

it sounds ridiculous that we should have to wait a year for high quality games to come out. CaseyWegner

Quality games aren't always AAA.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]it sounds ridiculous that we should have to wait a year for high quality games to come out. -The-G-Man-

Quality games aren't always AAA.

Once again, we get to subjectivity, which this whole thread seems to ignore. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Plenty of time to do what?CaseyWegner

a common complaint is the lack of "good" games. how long should we have to wait?

well, for people with 360, they wait a year for games like GeoW to come out

if you can't wait, just go play PC or go to gym