So it's Official, this was the year of

PC/Wii retain their dominance for another year!

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="themyth01"] I did, here's the link: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/index.html?navclk=xbox360&tag=nav-top;xbox360themyth01

I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusives, so I'll leave the exclusive only at that and go back to the main topic. Best system of the year:

# of AAAs:

360

PC

Wii

PS3

# of AAs:

Wii

360

PC

PS3

I'm sure you can begin to see the pattern.

I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!themyth01

I used Stevo's spreadsheet, which lists MLB 10 as exclusive. As does the other spreadsheet. This has been discussed, it's exclusive.

And I'm not counting XBLA games.

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusivesthemyth01

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] I assume you're counting AE too? If you do that, 360 just barely wins 11-10, but you're adding 7 AE for the 360 and only 3 for the PS3. 8.0>7.0 right?Sollet

I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusives, so I'll leave the exclusive only at that and go back to the main topic. Best system of the year:

# of AAAs:

360

PC

Wii

PS3

# of AAs:

Wii

360

PC

PS3

I'm sure you can begin to see the pattern.

What makes you think I am, take all the scores from their respective libraries and add them up, include Wiiware and PSN titles of course. 360 outdoes PS3 in AAAs, AAs, and As. The PS3 is just dead last, it's had a pretty mediocre library of games this year, with the few highlights being AA.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!Cherokee_Jack

I used Stevo's spreadsheet, which lists MLB 10 as exclusive. As does the other spreadsheet. This has been discussed, it's exclusive.

And I'm not counting XBLA games.

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusivesthemyth01

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

[QUOTE="themyth01"]I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!Cherokee_Jack

I used Stevo's spreadsheet, which lists MLB 10 as exclusive. As does the other spreadsheet. This has been discussed, it's exclusive.

And I'm not counting XBLA games.

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusivesthemyth01

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!themyth01

I used Stevo's spreadsheet, which lists MLB 10 as exclusive. As does the other spreadsheet. This has been discussed, it's exclusive.

And I'm not counting XBLA games.

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusivesthemyth01

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!Sollet

I used Stevo's spreadsheet, which lists MLB 10 as exclusive. As does the other spreadsheet. This has been discussed, it's exclusive.

And I'm not counting XBLA games.

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusivesthemyth01

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

So wait you want to measure the system with just exclusives?? as if I couldn't play Mass Effect 2, Splinter Cell Conviction, .. on the 360 heh... :shock: must have a special 360..whatever works for you. But as games (this is what's mostly used by SW) goes, 360 outdid the PS3 in AAAs, AAs, and As.

themyth01

[QUOTE="themyth01"]So wait you want to measure the system with just exclusives?? as if I couldn't play Mass Effect 2, Splinter Cell Conviction, .. on the 360 heh... :shock: must have a special 360..whatever works for you. But as games (this is what's mostly used by SW) goes, 360 outdid the PS3 in AAAs, AAs, and As.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!themyth01

I used Stevo's spreadsheet, which lists MLB 10 as exclusive. As does the other spreadsheet. This has been discussed, it's exclusive.

And I'm not counting XBLA games.

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusivesthemyth01

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

Cherokee_Jack

If you count only exclusives the 360 comes out ahead, I believe it was you who counted even using a Multiplaform for the PS3 ( really couldn't care less who adds it as what on what spreadsheet, the game is on PS2, plain and simple). So I guess according to your measures, the 360 still comes ahead of PS3 :roll:

Of course I was referring to all games, since that's what's obviously important in a platform. Games.

Wasn't the MLB thing discussed plenty of times on why it's an exclusive just like that Tom Clancy game is an exclusive on PC?

Wasn't the MLB thing discussed plenty of times on why it's an exclusive just like that Tom Clancy game is an exclusive on PC?

Luxen90

Given that we're so impartial and fair and have no bias whatsoever, maybe we should look to the very site that makes this decision:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/mlb10/index.html

What do you see under the Also on: tab in the game.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

Wasn't the MLB thing discussed plenty of times on why it's an exclusive just like that Tom Clancy game is an exclusive on PC?

themyth01

Given that we're so impartial and fair and have no bias whatsoever, maybe we should look to the very site that makes this decision:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/mlb10/index.html

What do you see under the Also on: tab in the game.

] If you count only exclusives the 360 comes out ahead, I believe it was you who counted even using a Multiplaform for the PS3 ( really could care less who adds it as what on what spreadsheet, the game is on PS2, plain and simple). So I guess according to your measures, the 360 still comes ahead of PS3 :roll:themyth01

Most will never accept because, well....it´s the 360!

More A+ games, alot more dowloadable quality games, better versions of most multiplats, 360 S and even the fact kinect was kinda success. I think it´s pretty obvious 360 had a better year.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]] If you count only exclusives the 360 comes out ahead, I believe it was you who counted even using a Multiplaform for the PS3 ( really could care less who adds it as what on what spreadsheet, the game is on PS2, plain and simple). So I guess according to your measures, the 360 still comes ahead of PS3 :roll:Cherokee_Jack

But why would you go down to AAE and not AE, might as well only count AAAE then ;) 360's AAAE > PS3 AAAE, add Limbo and you have 2 AAAE > 1 AAAE for 360 and PS3 respectively. In no metric do I see PS3 topping 360 unless you so picky as to first ignore Limbo, use only AAAE and AAE and ignore everything else, but then that really wouldn't prove anything except someone can manipulate the numbers to make themselves feel better. If we add all titles scores we are already accounting for quality since both top titles and middle titles are counted with their respective weights, in this measure again the 360 wins.

Do you want to go down the road of all AAAs on 360 and PS3 since we're discussing quality, then we'll see an even bigger gap. I'm not sure if you were serious with the last post though, it's pretty obvious this was not PS3's year.

I feel like I need to make a flowchart of fanboy logic for this thread. I'll be back. ;)

Most will never accept because, well....it´s the 360!

More A+ games, alot more dowloadable quality games, better versions of most multiplats, 360 S and even the fact kinect was kinda success. I think it´s pretty obvious 360 had a better year.

PAL360

What are you talking about? The PC has the better version of essentially all multiplats (there might be a few exceptions, but I am personally unaware of them). Also, it honestly seems like the TC keeps changing the rules. Also, do take note that A games are generally not that great (granted there are always gems there that have been under rated due to one reason or another) so by you argument of quality>quantity using AE games essentially goes against that. On the other hand AAE games are generally very good games. Also, Mass Effect 2 and SC: Conviction do not count, why? Because they are not exclusive, and in these debates, we always use exclusive games, given that they are the ones that differentiate one system from the rest. Oh and also, how is Kinect good? It sold well yes (although taht was kinda expected based on the heavy marketing being done, cuz lets be honest here, consumers are dumb, and if you can market something well, you can get them to buy it), but in terms of games, other than Dance Central, there rest of the Kinect line-up is brutal (same goes for the Move lineup). jonathant5

I too found it odd how people wanted to omit games unless they were only on one platform. Indeed taking ME2 and SC:C, wouldn't help the PS3 much, with those games it'd be PC > 360 >>>>>> PS3.

games that didn't deliver . I played old games like Starcraft 1 and The Witcher this year and realized how much better they are than anything released this year . I'll make an exception for the Wii (it really had a good 2010) , Mass Effect 2, Starcraft 2 and Red Dead Redemption . Especially the PS3 made me sad . I expected so much from 2010 and it while it may have been great for some, I remember better times...

I feel like I need to make a flowchart of fanboy logic for this thread. I'll be back. ;)

Ryan_Som

I'm excited to see this.

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]What are you talking about? The PC has the better version of essentially all multiplats (there might be a few exceptions, but I am personally unaware of them). Also, it honestly seems like the TC keeps changing the rules. Also, do take note that A games are generally not that great (granted there are always gems there that have been under rated due to one reason or another) so by you argument of quality>quantity using AE games essentially goes against that. On the other hand AAE games are generally very good games. Also, Mass Effect 2 and SC: Conviction do not count, why? Because they are not exclusive, and in these debates, we always use exclusive games, given that they are the ones that differentiate one system from the rest. Oh and also, how is Kinect good? It sold well yes (although taht was kinda expected based on the heavy marketing being done, cuz lets be honest here, consumers are dumb, and if you can market something well, you can get them to buy it), but in terms of games, other than Dance Central, there rest of the Kinect line-up is brutal (same goes for the Move lineup). themyth01

I too found it odd how people wanted to omit games unless they were only on one platform. Indeed taking ME2 and SC:C, wouldn't help the PS3 much, with those games it'd be PC > 360 >>>>>> PS3.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]What are you talking about? The PC has the better version of essentially all multiplats (there might be a few exceptions, but I am personally unaware of them). Also, it honestly seems like the TC keeps changing the rules. Also, do take note that A games are generally not that great (granted there are always gems there that have been under rated due to one reason or another) so by you argument of quality>quantity using AE games essentially goes against that. On the other hand AAE games are generally very good games. Also, Mass Effect 2 and SC: Conviction do not count, why? Because they are not exclusive, and in these debates, we always use exclusive games, given that they are the ones that differentiate one system from the rest. Oh and also, how is Kinect good? It sold well yes (although taht was kinda expected based on the heavy marketing being done, cuz lets be honest here, consumers are dumb, and if you can market something well, you can get them to buy it), but in terms of games, other than Dance Central, there rest of the Kinect line-up is brutal (same goes for the Move lineup). jonathant5

I too found it odd how people wanted to omit games unless they were only on one platform. Indeed taking ME2 and SC:C, wouldn't help the PS3 much, with those games it'd be PC > 360 >>>>>> PS3.

If we focus on 360 vs PS3 then I ask the same question you did, why should we not count Mass Effect 2 when it's on 360 and not on PS3 for this year? why shouldn't we take into account the quality disparity between Bayonetta if quality is what we're after? why should discard Limbo a AAAE title for the 360 because it's a 2D game? Why should we only count AAE and up, why not AE games as well? why be so selective? Then it's not really quality that we're looking for, is it. Quality takes into account all the games in the system in comparison to all the games in the other system, why should we compromise on this if the systems libraries is what's important to us...

Wii.

If we focus on 360 vs PS3 then I ask the same question you did, why should we not count Mass Effect 2 when it's on 360 and not on PS3 for this year? why shouldn't we take into account the quality disparity between Bayonetta if quality is what we're after? why should discard Limbo a AAAE title for the 360 because it's a 2D game? Why should we only count AAE and up, why not AE games as well? why be so selective? Then it's not really quality that we're looking for, is it. Quality takes into account all the games in the system in comparison to all the games in the other system, why should we compromise on this if the systems libraries is what's important to us...

themyth01

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Never made any rules to begin with, but as far as I'm concerned quality is based on all of the platform's games for the year and how well those games did.

I too found it odd how people wanted to omit games unless they were only on one platform. Indeed taking ME2 and SC:C, wouldn't help the PS3 much, with those games it'd be PC > 360 >>>>>> PS3.

themyth01

If we focus on 360 vs PS3 then I ask the same question you did, why should we not count Mass Effect 2 when it's on 360 and not on PS3 for this year? why shouldn't we take into account the quality disparity between Bayonetta if quality is what we're after? why should discard Limbo a AAAE title for the 360 because it's a 2D game? Then it's not really quality that we're looking for, is it. Quality takes into account all the games in the system in comparison to all the games in the other system, why should we compromise on this if the systems libraries is what's important to us...

As for Limbo, given that it is a 2Ddownloadablegame, it is not rated using the same standards as other games, hence it should not be included since the criteria for rating that game, and a game such as say halo: reach is vastly different. (then again, the same argument could be made for rating between genres and platforms).

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="jonathant5"] But I aint arguing on behalf of any particular system, I am simply trying to be objective by using what I know, meaning using only exclusives which are the thing that differentiate systems. Also, based on that how would the X360 be so much better than the PS3? As far as I am aware the PS3 has more AAE+AAAE this year than the x360 (also still pales in comparison to the Wii and PC, although personally i dont much enjoy most of the Wii games). Still though PS3 has more quality exclusives (AA and up) than X360, while PC and Wii beat em both. Also, just like GRAW PC is exclusive and GRAW 360 is also considered to be an exclusive (vastly different games) so is MLB10 exclusive (cuz the game is vastly different from the other versions). Anyway, overall, exclusives wise, this has been a fairly crappy year for the systems, especially the x360+ps3.jonathant5

If we focus on 360 vs PS3 then I ask the same question you did, why should we not count Mass Effect 2 when it's on 360 and not on PS3 for this year? why shouldn't we take into account the quality disparity between Bayonetta if quality is what we're after? why should discard Limbo a AAAE title for the 360 because it's a 2D game? Then it's not really quality that we're looking for, is it. Quality takes into account all the games in the system in comparison to all the games in the other system, why should we compromise on this if the systems libraries is what's important to us...

How is this particular argument just exclusives? A system performance is measure by the entirety of its library of games, that is if we're looking for quality. I thought this was a given but apparently there's some hidden rule somewhere that only AAE and AAAE and nothing else (including downloadable titles) should be counted which frankly makes no sense to me whatsoever, not only does it ignore a huge library of games but it doesn't even take into account other quality differences such as bad ports, etc..

I've since updated the thread which make it clear, it's about the entire library of games for the year. So judging on the entire library of games for the year then, good year heh.

PC>Wii>PS3>360.

As for Limbo, given that it is a 2Ddownloadablegame, it is not rated using the same standards as other games, hence it should not be included since the criteria for rating that game, and a game such as say halo: reach is vastly different. (then again, the same argument could be made for rating between genres and platforms).

jonathant5

Actually the argument I would make on it would be that it's judged based on its value and quality since the title costs a lot less than Halo Reach, then it's AAA status is just as deserved as any AAA game since you don't have to fork over the same amount of money. I would make this argument for Wii games too, they deserve their AA/AAA/AAAA rating even if held to different standards. Again, I see no reason to compromise on this since it is games we're going for.

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]

As for Limbo, given that it is a 2Ddownloadablegame, it is not rated using the same standards as other games, hence it should not be included since the criteria for rating that game, and a game such as say halo: reach is vastly different. (then again, the same argument could be made for rating between genres and platforms).

themyth01

Actually the argument I would make on it would be that it's judged based on its value and quality since the title costs a lot less than Halo Reach, then it's AAA status is just as deserved as any AAA game since you don't have to fork over the same amount of money. I would make this argument for Wii games too, they deserve their AA/AAA/AAAA rating even if held to different standards. Again, I see no reason to compromise on this since it is games we're going for.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"]I'm wondering why you left Limbo out. I take it you counted MLB 10 for PS3 even if it's on PS2 and PSP?!themyth01

I used Stevo's spreadsheet, which lists MLB 10 as exclusive. As does the other spreadsheet. This has been discussed, it's exclusive.

And I'm not counting XBLA games.

But alas, best year goes to the system with better games overall, not just exclusivesthemyth01

I think I missed the memo on that one. Who decided that?

Plus exclusive is a relative term, if your comparing to systems then anything not on the other system is exclusive to that system, or if your comparing multiple systems anything that is either on 1 or a subset of systems can be considered exclusive. English dictionary > gamespot "rules" and fanboism

this is reasonable, any one skewing the term exclusive to make it seem like ps3 had a better year is just dillusional. 360 has games, the ps3 doesn't becmoe an equal platform because you can avoid a 360 by playing on the PC.

Plus exclusive is a relative term, if your comparing to systems then anything not on the other system is exclusive to that system, or if your comparing multiple systems anything that is either on 1 or a subset of systems can be considered exclusive. English dictionary > gamespot "rules" and fanboism

savagetwinkie

And you are fine to argue that. Outside System Wars.

Limbo is not going to count as an AAAE here for the same reason Comet Crash on PSN didn't last year.

And multiplats have never counted in the system wars game. They won't start now either.

How can anyone claim the PS3 has had a better year than the 360? I mean, the PS3 looks like it's going to wipe the floor with most in 2011, but it's been pretty poor this year in comparison.

How can anyone claim the PS3 has had a better year than the 360? I mean, the PS3 looks like it's going to wipe the floor with most in 2011, but it's been pretty poor this year in comparison.

Twin-Blade

This thread is so much fail...... For one, system wars officially agreed to count MLB the show as a PS3 exclusive, there was a vote on it and the mods agreed. you cannot change this no matter how hard you want to.

Second, threads like this is where I really start to hate these stupid "only gamespot matterz" loopholes people use here. For instance, you keep running on about how "teh 360 haz moor AAA's" when MLB 10: The Show is AAA on Metacritic/Gamerankings, yet in system wars (and only in system wars) its an 8.0 game. Really? The game is AAA in real life and on metacritic and you wont count it, yet your counting crap like Limbo and Super Meat Boy? :lol:

And lol @ leaving out Mod Nation Racers, and Yakuza 3. Lemme guess, you count the psp version of Mod Nation to be the same game and thus, not exclusive? So your basically picking and choosing which games make your list and which games dont is that correct? :roll:

HELLO?? Why isn't Civ5 listed up there? It got AAAE. :|

HELLO?? Why isn't Civ5 listed up there? It got AAAE. :|

kunggustaf

They seem so close by about any metric, whether exclusives or just AAAs, and both are squashed by PC and Wii. Tis the truth no matter how uppity 360 fans get.Floppy_Jim

No, you're lying. 360 has 20 secret A to the 100th power rated games. That's why you're all confused by the TC's words. Honest mistake really.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

How can anyone claim the PS3 has had a better year than the 360? I mean, the PS3 looks like it's going to wipe the floor with most in 2011, but it's been pretty poor this year in comparison.

Luxen90

Of course it's subjective, but I was hoping system wars was open minded enough to acknowledge which console had the better year in general. You've shown me it's still not possible.

[QUOTE="Luxen90"][QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

How can anyone claim the PS3 has had a better year than the 360? I mean, the PS3 looks like it's going to wipe the floor with most in 2011, but it's been pretty poor this year in comparison.

Twin-Blade

Of course it's subjective, but I was hoping system wars was open minded enough to acknowledge which console had the better year in general. You've shown me it's still not possible.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]They seem so close by about any metric, whether exclusives or just AAAs, and both are squashed by PC and Wii. Tis the truth no matter how uppity 360 fans get.catfishmoon23

No, you're lying. 360 has 20 secret A to the 100th power rated games. That's why you're all confused by the TC's words. Honest mistake really.

PS3 did beat 360, TC cherry picked the games, missed MLB 10/Yakuza 3/MNR