So Mark Cerney himself says....

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Kind of big deal when it is cheaper, more powerful and will have the best looking multiplats and best quality and looking exclusives over the life of the consoles.

StrongBlackVine

That comparision means nothing. Sony is already way ahead it would take something MAJOR to derail it.

it's like that with every console stupid cows.  Compare 360 games in year one to 360 games in year 4.  Or PS3 games in year one to PS3 games in year 4.  God you guys are idiots.

Let me put it in a way that may help some people grasp the raw performance (TFLOPS) difference between the PS4 and Xbox One. The PS4 has roughly as much raw processing power as a Xbox One, a Xbox 360 and a PS3 combined.EXLINK

"Is the PS4 really that much more powerful than XBOX ONE?"

Option Four: Yes, because logic and hardware specs has proven that.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]and in the meantime, Sony will continue to deliver world class exclusives. Greatness awaits TC. Sony. PS4. Spartan070

Who cares where they are now? You know they are coming. Microsoft has nothing but Halo and whatever timed or console exclusive they can buy.

[QUOTE="EXLINK"]Let me put it in a way that may help some people grasp the raw performance (TFLOPS) difference between the PS4 and Xbox One. The PS4 has roughly as much raw processing power as a Xbox One, a Xbox 360 and a PS3 combined.Consternated

You are an idiot. 91 and 84 meta scores on the last two games are not mediocre.

Also clearly an alt so why did I even bother responding to you.

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]

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blackace

Both games look like @$$, so I don't see your point. I think fanboys are going to be in for a rude awakening once these games launch with the systems in Nov.

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

[QUOTE="EXLINK"]Let me put it in a way that may help some people grasp the raw performance (TFLOPS) difference between the PS4 and Xbox One. The PS4 has roughly as much raw processing power as a Xbox One, a Xbox 360 and a PS3 combined.StrongBlackVine

You are an idiot. 91 and 84 meta scores on the last two games are not mediocre.

lol @ Blackace

Says KZ:SF looks like crap, then says the game will be downgraded at launch. If it looks so bad, then why are you wishing so badly for it to be downgraded? The newest footage of KZ:SF has really gotten to lems.

The moment you start filling your post with smiley's. Yeah, you lost the argument.

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

[QUOTE="EXLINK"]Let me put it in a way that may help some people grasp the raw performance (TFLOPS) difference between the PS4 and Xbox One. The PS4 has roughly as much raw processing power as a Xbox One, a Xbox 360 and a PS3 combined.StrongBlackVine

You are an idiot. 91 and 84 meta scores on the last two games are not mediocre.

Also clearly an alt so why did I even bother responding to you.

The moment you start filling your post with smiley's. Yeah, you lost the argument.

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Consternated"] And my PC has more "raw performance" than the PS4, PS3, X1, and X360 combined :) Wee! Anyway, yeah... Graphics aren't the be all and end all. Who cares if Killzone has slightly better graphics? It's still probably going to be a mediocre game (based on previous entries in the series) :D

Ribnarak

You are an idiot. 91 and 84 meta scores on the last two games are not mediocre.

Also clearly an alt so why did I even bother responding to you.

What the hell is a zombie-lemming? I'm just stating my opinion - I haven't played a Killzone game (and I've played all three) that was above average in any way (except maybe visually). That being said, I'd rather play Killzone than Titanfall or Call of Duty, despite it's issues.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

The moment you start filling your post with smiley's. Yeah, you lost the argument.

Jonwh18

You sonofa bitch. :evil:

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stereointegrity

The ownage is unreal.

:lol: Blackace got owned AGAIN!

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

PS4 is more powerful than Xbone. PS4 exclusives are going to look better than Xbone exclusives. Deal with it.

Jonwh18

 So you think that the X1 is somehow going to be ulitizing it's full power on launch? No? Even before launch? :lol::lol::lol: 

Well, an underclocked 7870 is much more powerful and a 7770. That's all I know, as I've owned both cards. danten81

*Shrug* The difference between the Xbone & PS4 will be nothing compared to the difference between PS4 & PC visuals in multiplats next year... Hell, the PS4 version of Watch Dogs looks like arse compared to the PC version, from what we've seen so far. FPS dips into the 20s, lower quality textures... But it's alright, because it's prettier than the Xbone version - right guys?

 

Witcher 2 was one of the best looking console games this generation, but it just couldn't compare to the PC version. Wait until Witcher 3 releases next year... Will be a fun comparison :)

Consternated

This is nothing new, always takes years for consoles to show off the best looking games.

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

*Shrug* The difference between the Xbone & PS4 will be nothing compared to the difference between PS4 & PC visuals in multiplats next year... Hell, the PS4 version of Watch Dogs looks like arse compared to the PC version, from what we've seen so far. FPS dips into the 20s, lower quality textures... But it's alright, because it's prettier than the Xbone version - right guys?

 

Witcher 2 was one of the best looking console games this generation, but it just couldn't compare to the PC version. Wait until Witcher 3 releases next year... Will be a fun comparison :)

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What do TLHBO & TCHBO even mean?Consternated

The Cows Have Been Owned

his mindeset makes sense to me ;) Compare Resistance FOM with TLOU, its like a generationial leap in graphics

[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Lol I'm not a cow at all. I'm a sheep. I'm just not delusional like you. The gap between the PS4 and the X1 will be noticeable.

Jonwh18

I'm not a sheep, cow, lem or hermit. I'm a gamer. I doubt there will be a huge gap between multiplat games on both systems. No one is delusional here. I'll be getting both systems. The only differences will be some FPS performances on each platform. No real deal breakers.

As I said before I'm a sheep. Graphics don't really matter at all. But I'm not in denial either. I realise that the Wii U is behind the X1 and PS4. But I also realise the X1 is behind the PS4. To say otherwise is foolish. 

That it will take atleast 3-4 years for the PS4's capabilities to be fully utilized. Hmm, seems to me that a certain group of people who frequent these forums have been doing nothing but ranting and raving about how the PS4 out the gate was going to destroy the XBOX ONE graphically speaking. Yet to date I simply dont see a game in the PS4 launch window that is head and shoulders above what the XBOX ONE is offering. So lets be honest here, for the forseeable future these consoles are pretty much going to be on even footing outside of maybe an exclusive here and there on either side. Like most of us sane, non-brainwashed people have been saying...."Theoretical numbers on paper don't mean a damn thing if they aren't used"!! Oh and before you call me a Lem, Im getting both consoles at launch because I can!!!ShoTTyMcNaDeS

No dude that is to take advantage of the GPU modification they did,straight out of the machine even without taking advantage out the compute and all that crap,the PS4 still outpower the xbox one,there is no way around this just dropping a game from PC on PS4 and xbox one will always perform better on PS4anks to having more resources,taking advantage of the customizations they did to the GPU like heavy compute and other things will take more.

This happens with all consoles. ButDuuude

*Shrug* The difference between the Xbone & PS4 will be nothing compared to the difference between PS4 & PC visuals in multiplats next year... Hell, the PS4 version of Watch Dogs looks like arse compared to the PC version, from what we've seen so far. FPS dips into the 20s, lower quality textures... But it's alright, because it's prettier than the Xbone version - right guys?

 

Witcher 2 was one of the best looking console games this generation, but it just couldn't compare to the PC version. Wait until Witcher 3 releases next year... Will be a fun comparison :)

Consternated

Find me a $399 PC that can even run Watch dogs close to the PS4 then you have a point.

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

*Shrug* The difference between the Xbone & PS4 will be nothing compared to the difference between PS4 & PC visuals in multiplats next year... Hell, the PS4 version of Watch Dogs looks like arse compared to the PC version, from what we've seen so far. FPS dips into the 20s, lower quality textures... But it's alright, because it's prettier than the Xbone version - right guys?

 

Witcher 2 was one of the best looking console games this generation, but it just couldn't compare to the PC version. Wait until Witcher 3 releases next year... Will be a fun comparison :)

tormentos

Find me a $399 PC that can even run Watch dogs close to the PS4 then you have a point.

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stereointegrity

That it will take atleast 3-4 years for the PS4's capabilities to be fully utilized. Hmm, seems to me that a certain group of people who frequent these forums have been doing nothing but ranting and raving about how the PS4 out the gate was going to destroy the XBOX ONE graphically speaking. Yet to date I simply dont see a game in the PS4 launch window that is head and shoulders above what the XBOX ONE is offering. So lets be honest here, for the forseeable future these consoles are pretty much going to be on even footing outside of maybe an exclusive here and there on either side. Like most of us sane, non-brainwashed people have been saying...."Theoretical numbers on paper don't mean a damn thing if they aren't used"!! Oh and before you call me a Lem, Im getting both consoles at launch because I can!!!ShoTTyMcNaDeS

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

*Shrug* The difference between the Xbone & PS4 will be nothing compared to the difference between PS4 & PC visuals in multiplats next year... Hell, the PS4 version of Watch Dogs looks like arse compared to the PC version, from what we've seen so far. FPS dips into the 20s, lower quality textures... But it's alright, because it's prettier than the Xbone version - right guys?

 

Witcher 2 was one of the best looking console games this generation, but it just couldn't compare to the PC version. Wait until Witcher 3 releases next year... Will be a fun comparison :)

tormentos

Find me a $399 PC that can even run Watch dogs close to the PS4 then you have a point.

not all of us depend on christmas gifts :lol:

you get what you pay for. You pay a cheap console, you get cheap hardware that cant run things properly.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Lol I'm not a cow at all. I'm a sheep. I'm just not delusional like you. The gap between the PS4 and the X1 will be noticeable.

Jonwh18

I'm not a sheep, cow, lem or hermit. I'm a gamer. I doubt there will be a huge gap between multiplat games on both systems. No one is delusional here. I'll be getting both systems. The only differences will be some FPS performances on each platform. No real deal breakers.

As I said before I'm a sheep. Graphics don't really matter at all. But I'm not in denial either. I realise that the Wii U is behind the X1 and PS4. But I also realise the X1 is behind the PS4. To say otherwise is foolish. 

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Reminds me of "Teh Cell and the Hidden Powah!"foxhound_fox

Which was fully realized and utilized in engines by Sony's 1st party. The difference with GPGPU in the PS4 is that it's something that every major studio is working on. Crytek already demonstrated asynchronous compute by showing water drying up on a surface.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

*Shrug* The difference between the Xbone & PS4 will be nothing compared to the difference between PS4 & PC visuals in multiplats next year... Hell, the PS4 version of Watch Dogs looks like arse compared to the PC version, from what we've seen so far. FPS dips into the 20s, lower quality textures... But it's alright, because it's prettier than the Xbone version - right guys?

 

Witcher 2 was one of the best looking console games this generation, but it just couldn't compare to the PC version. Wait until Witcher 3 releases next year... Will be a fun comparison :)

Consternated

Find me a $399 PC that can even run Watch dogs close to the PS4 then you have a point.

Lol owned

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

Uncharted evolution

silversix_

This. The architecture now is just like PC's, so theres no such thing as "devs will tap into more power later on".

It is familiar from DAY 1.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

Uncharted evolution

kipsta77

This. The architecture now is just like PC's, so theres no such thing as "devs will tap into more power later on".

It is familiar from DAY 1.

That's ridiculous. You're talking about immensely complex hardware here, being based on PC parts doesn't change that. Do you have any idea what goes on inside a GPU? Besides, PC's keep the programmer separated from the hardware by making them go through a wall of API's. For almost all programmers this will be the first time they really get aquainted with the low-level details of the GPU. Not to mention the fact that the unified memory system offered by the APU's can completely change the way you approach things compared to a PC GPU where video memory is completely separate and isn't directly accessible to the software. Developers are going to spend years figuring out the best way to make the CPU and GPU work together.

if developers cant get whats in the wiiu , , at or near launch what makes you really think their gonna show the full power of the x1 -ps4 ,    not counting first party titles we all know they can do it ,

 but will they is a good question , ,