So Mark Cerney himself says....

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]

You stupid cows are in for a rude awakening. Keep your tissues by your side. lol!!

blackace

I'm not a sheep, cow, lem or hermit. I'm a gamer.

one of the most delusional lems here saying this?

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

 

Find me a PS4 copy of Watch Dogs that costs less than £30, which is what the PC version costs, and will be cheaper by launch when GMG/GOG/Steam compete for preorder deals ( the PS4 version is £47, by the way). Also find me a PC platform for Watch Dogs that requires me to pay a £40 per year subscription to play online.

tormentos

Please on PC games are cheap because of the 99% piracy rates,still find me a $399 PC that can even stand close to the PS4.

Yeah find me a £40 PC subscription that will give you games ever month without extra charge..

Wait find me a 7800GTX from 2005 running Crysis 3 like the xbox 360 and PS3 does.?

So yeah consoles are cheaper and their GPU get supported way longer.

Drop the charade troll.

Oh look, it's this old argument. Prices are cheaper on PC because there's no second hand, and often no physical retail - but the competition for your money is still huge. Anyway, even with your "99% piracy rates", EA seem to be doing alright, considering PC players don't care about anything they do anymore other than BF & the Sims.

Damn, poor EA. If it weren't for that 99% piracy rate, they'd be trillionaires! On the flipside, if it weren't for Fifa/Madden, the consoles wouldn't even be part of the equation. The cost of production:profit ratio for PC & console, for EA at least, would probably favour the PC... And yeah, we're not even talking about a PC-centric developer.

Alright... GIVE you games for £40 a year without extra charge? If you're talking about Xbox Live, why on earth would I benefit from getting a free copy of Halo 3? I've already played that game to death. Are you on about PS+? That's nothing but a glorified rental service. I was subscribed for a few months, but I fail to see the value for money (for me, personally) - If I want a game really bad, I'll buy it. If I kind of want it, the cross platform version will be on PC for under £5 before it's anywhere near PS Plus.

Find you a GTX 7800 that runs Crysis 3 like the PS3 does? Why? Unlike consoles, PCs can ditch old technologies, and enjoy a bleeding edge experience for, what is in the long run, no extra cost. How many AAA PS3 & Xbox titles have you bought this generation? 50? 100? Let's just say 50 - not an unreasonable amount at all, considering both systems have been out for so long - maybe you've bought more than that, who knows? Average price of £40-45, compared with £20-30 on PC. Difference of £12.50 a game, multiplied by just fifty games, and over a generation, that would be a saving of £625. Oh, don't forget the 8 years of Xbox Live - £320 there (value for money? Pfft). Surpassing the consoles "optimization" curve, by spending that £945 on hardware upgrades alone, would be a pretty easy thing to do. Hell, if you just wanted to stick with the console experience, there would be very little work necessary. Even "back in the day", you could build a PC to do PS3/Xbox like performance for a low price, but that's irrelevant, because even the most casual of PC gamers have moved past SD upscaled to 720p many moons ago.

Lets be fair, I compared both formats in the most console friendly way possible. What if I were to talk about sales? What about if I were to talk about preorder bonuses? Didn't the PS3 version of BioShock Infinite come with a copy of BioShock? Like no-one and their mother had already played that... £40 for BioShock Infinite & BioShock vs £22.99 for BioShock Infinite, XCOM: Enemy Unknown, Civilization V, BioShock, & BioShock 2? What if I decided, a year after release, I wanted to buy myself a game I didn't pay much attention to... Deus Ex: Human Revolution, £3 last summer, still £15+ on consoles everywhere (I know, because I brought it as a gift for a family member). The Batman games, both around £3 each last year. Sleeping Dogs, £3, just a few months after release.

I could continue to pull names out of a hat forever, but you'd spout the same ill-informed piracy malarky, despite every Xbox gamer I know personally having an extra chipped Xbox they use to play single player games offline. I'm just after great games, and I'm sure in the end there will be a few for the PS4 & Xbox One, so I'll buy them, but it's a big price to pay for those few games. Looking back at the PS3, how many of it's first party titles would I consider must plays? Uncharted 2, LittleBigPlanet, TLOU (although overrated), Demon's Souls, MGS4, maybe God of War III, and Journey. I sure as hell got my £500 outta that console.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

 

Find me a PS4 copy of Watch Dogs that costs less than £30, which is what the PC version costs, and will be cheaper by launch when GMG/GOG/Steam compete for preorder deals ( the PS4 version is £47, by the way). Also find me a PC platform for Watch Dogs that requires me to pay a £40 per year subscription to play online.

Consternated

Please on PC games are cheap because of the 99% piracy rates,still find me a $399 PC that can even stand close to the PS4.

Yeah find me a £40 PC subscription that will give you games ever month without extra charge..

Wait find me a 7800GTX from 2005 running Crysis 3 like the xbox 360 and PS3 does.?

So yeah consoles are cheaper and their GPU get supported way longer.

Drop the charade troll.

Oh look, it's this old argument. Prices are cheaper on PC because there's no second hand, and often no physical retail - but the competition for your money is still huge. Anyway, even with your "99% piracy rates", EA seem to be doing alright, considering PC players don't care about anything they do anymore other than BF & the Sims.

Damn, poor EA. If it weren't for that 99% piracy rate, they'd be trillionaires! On the flipside, if it weren't for Fifa/Madden, the consoles wouldn't even be part of the equation. The cost of production:profit ratio for PC & console, for EA at least, would probably favour the PC... And yeah, we're not even talking about a PC-centric developer.

Alright... GIVE you games for £40 a year without extra charge? If you're talking about Xbox Live, why on earth would I benefit from getting a free copy of Halo 3? I've already played that game to death. Are you on about PS+? That's nothing but a glorified rental service. I was subscribed for a few months, but I fail to see the value for money (for me, personally) - If I want a game really bad, I'll buy it. If I kind of want it, the cross platform version will be on PC for under £5 before it's anywhere near PS Plus.

Find you a GTX 7800 that runs Crysis 3 like the PS3 does? Why? Unlike consoles, PCs can ditch old technologies, and enjoy a bleeding edge experience for, what is in the long run, no extra cost. How many AAA PS3 & Xbox titles have you bought this generation? 50? 100? Let's just say 50 - not an unreasonable amount at all, considering both systems have been out for so long - maybe you've bought more than that, who knows? Average price of £40-45, compared with £20-30 on PC. Difference of £12.50 a game, multiplied by just fifty games, and over a generation, that would be a saving of £625. Oh, don't forget the 8 years of Xbox Live - £320 there (value for money? Pfft). Surpassing the consoles "optimization" curve, by spending that £945 on hardware upgrades alone, would be a pretty easy thing to do. Hell, if you just wanted to stick with the console experience, there would be very little work necessary. Even "back in the day", you could build a PC to do PS3/Xbox like performance for a low price, but that's irrelevant, because even the most casual of PC gamers have moved past SD upscaled to 720p many moons ago.

Lets be fair, I compared both formats in the most console friendly way possible. What if I were to talk about sales? What about if I were to talk about preorder bonuses? Didn't the PS3 version of BioShock Infinite come with a copy of BioShock? Like no-one and their mother had already played that... £40 for BioShock Infinite & BioShock vs £22.99 for BioShock Infinite, XCOM: Enemy Unknown, Civilization V, BioShock, & BioShock 2? What if I decided, a year after release, I wanted to buy myself a game I didn't pay much attention to... Deus Ex: Human Revolution, £3 last summer, still £15+ on consoles everywhere (I know, because I brought it as a gift for a family member). The Batman games, both around £3 each last year. Sleeping Dogs, £3, just a few months after release.

I could continue to pull names out of a hat forever, but you'd spout the same ill-informed piracy malarky, despite every Xbox gamer I know personally having an extra chipped Xbox they use to play single player games offline. I'm just after great games, and I'm sure in the end there will be a few for the PS4 & Xbox One, so I'll buy them, but it's a big price to pay for those few games. Looking back at the PS3, how many of it's first party titles would I consider must plays? Uncharted 2, LittleBigPlanet, TLOU (although overrated), Demon's Souls, MGS4, maybe God of War III, and Journey. I sure as hell got my £500 outta that console.

[QUOTE="Consternated"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Please on PC games are cheap because of the 99% piracy rates,still find me a $399 PC that can even stand close to the PS4.

Yeah find me a £40 PC subscription that will give you games ever month without extra charge..

Wait find me a 7800GTX from 2005 running Crysis 3 like the xbox 360 and PS3 does.?

So yeah consoles are cheaper and their GPU get supported way longer.

Drop the charade troll.

Tighaman

Oh look, it's this old argument. Prices are cheaper on PC because there's no second hand, and often no physical retail - but the competition for your money is still huge. Anyway, even with your "99% piracy rates", EA seem to be doing alright, considering PC players don't care about anything they do anymore other than BF & the Sims.

Damn, poor EA. If it weren't for that 99% piracy rate, they'd be trillionaires! On the flipside, if it weren't for Fifa/Madden, the consoles wouldn't even be part of the equation. The cost of production:profit ratio for PC & console, for EA at least, would probably favour the PC... And yeah, we're not even talking about a PC-centric developer.

Alright... GIVE you games for £40 a year without extra charge? If you're talking about Xbox Live, why on earth would I benefit from getting a free copy of Halo 3? I've already played that game to death. Are you on about PS+? That's nothing but a glorified rental service. I was subscribed for a few months, but I fail to see the value for money (for me, personally) - If I want a game really bad, I'll buy it. If I kind of want it, the cross platform version will be on PC for under £5 before it's anywhere near PS Plus.

Find you a GTX 7800 that runs Crysis 3 like the PS3 does? Why? Unlike consoles, PCs can ditch old technologies, and enjoy a bleeding edge experience for, what is in the long run, no extra cost. How many AAA PS3 & Xbox titles have you bought this generation? 50? 100? Let's just say 50 - not an unreasonable amount at all, considering both systems have been out for so long - maybe you've bought more than that, who knows? Average price of £40-45, compared with £20-30 on PC. Difference of £12.50 a game, multiplied by just fifty games, and over a generation, that would be a saving of £625. Oh, don't forget the 8 years of Xbox Live - £320 there (value for money? Pfft). Surpassing the consoles "optimization" curve, by spending that £945 on hardware upgrades alone, would be a pretty easy thing to do. Hell, if you just wanted to stick with the console experience, there would be very little work necessary. Even "back in the day", you could build a PC to do PS3/Xbox like performance for a low price, but that's irrelevant, because even the most casual of PC gamers have moved past SD upscaled to 720p many moons ago.

Lets be fair, I compared both formats in the most console friendly way possible. What if I were to talk about sales? What about if I were to talk about preorder bonuses? Didn't the PS3 version of BioShock Infinite come with a copy of BioShock? Like no-one and their mother had already played that... £40 for BioShock Infinite & BioShock vs £22.99 for BioShock Infinite, XCOM: Enemy Unknown, Civilization V, BioShock, & BioShock 2? What if I decided, a year after release, I wanted to buy myself a game I didn't pay much attention to... Deus Ex: Human Revolution, £3 last summer, still £15+ on consoles everywhere (I know, because I brought it as a gift for a family member). The Batman games, both around £3 each last year. Sleeping Dogs, £3, just a few months after release.

I could continue to pull names out of a hat forever, but you'd spout the same ill-informed piracy malarky, despite every Xbox gamer I know personally having an extra chipped Xbox they use to play single player games offline. I'm just after great games, and I'm sure in the end there will be a few for the PS4 & Xbox One, so I'll buy them, but it's a big price to pay for those few games. Looking back at the PS3, how many of it's first party titles would I consider must plays? Uncharted 2, LittleBigPlanet, TLOU (although overrated), Demon's Souls, MGS4, maybe God of War III, and Journey. I sure as hell got my £500 outta that console.

That was an early rumor that was proven false.

There is no fixed 14/4, devs can manage it as they wish.

Its not proven false I said after that rumor came out he said that you could use the whole 18 cu but he suggest devs to use 2cu for the cpu maybe devs need to use them fpr audio?Tighaman

Yes it was there is no 14+4.

No the PS4 has an audio chip and doesn't have kinect mandatory which is why the xbox need a beefier audio chip,and is just 15 Gflops by the way,nothing the PS4 will be hurt by even if the GPU had to do the audio.

But once again if the PS4 uses 400+Gflops for cumpute from where in hell the xbox one will pull resources to emulate that,because if you use 400Gflosp from the xbox one that mean you only had like 800Gflops vs the PS4 1400+Gflops.

Anything the PS4 does on a multiplatform game most be emulated by the xbox one in order to keep parity,if the PS4 uses 400Gflops for compute jobs the xbox one will be in a huge problem.

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]

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blackace

Both games look like @$$, so I don't see your point. I think fanboys are going to be in for a rude awakening once these games launch with the systems in Nov.

You really think KZ looks like ass?  REally?