Here are some nice ones!:P[QUOTE="maoman"]
hmm this reminds me i need a new chair for my pc. any sugestions appreciated.
Arach666
lol. BMW side seat? thats awesome. i might actually take that idea.
So the major advantage of consoles over PC is you can lay on a couch and play?
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[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]
Huh? I don't have time to discuss this ridiculous thing with you. Both you and I know the PC is a format which more and more in the future will decide to abandon.
And Crytek is releasing Crysis 2 due to this.
lundy86_4
Really everyone is abandoning the PC? Then explain why MS is going back to the PC?
[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]
Huh? I don't have time to discuss this ridiculous thing with you. Both you and I know the PC is a format which more and more in the future will decide to abandon.
And Crytek is releasing Crysis 2 due to this.
lundy86_4
Don't have time, or can't find any links? You replied to me, I replied back asking, once again, for links which you haven't provided.
Piracy is a huge issue with PC games, everyone knows this. So what does the link prove? Not much. Like I said, many developers move to multiplatform to expand their sales, which is what Crytek is doing. What they think they are losing on piracy, they likely believe they can make up on consoles. Any company when it becomes large enough would rightfully expand, either into other markets or as a larger presence in their current market.
When I see more and more indie devs getting their breaks on PC, and more exclusives on the PC and the market INCREASING in size, it's hard to see people abandoning it completely. Like I said it's not only PC games going multiplat, as many console games are doing so as well. They are even releasing versions on the PC, the thing you state devs are "abandon"ing.
PC gaming increasing? Epic disagrees.Analysts disagree. Everyone that's not a gigantic PC fanboy disagrees.
Like I said, as far as gaming goes, the PC will be completely unnecessary in the future.
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]
Huh? I don't have time to discuss this ridiculous thing with you. Both you and I know the PC is a format which more and more in the future will decide to abandon.
And Crytek is releasing Crysis 2 due to this.
TheMaryCeleste
Don't have time, or can't find any links? You replied to me, I replied back asking, once again, for links which you haven't provided.
Piracy is a huge issue with PC games, everyone knows this. So what does the link prove? Not much. Like I said, many developers move to multiplatform to expand their sales, which is what Crytek is doing. What they think they are losing on piracy, they likely believe they can make up on consoles. Any company when it becomes large enough would rightfully expand, either into other markets or as a larger presence in their current market.
When I see more and more indie devs getting their breaks on PC, and more exclusives on the PC and the market INCREASING in size, it's hard to see people abandoning it completely. Like I said it's not only PC games going multiplat, as many console games are doing so as well. They are even releasing versions on the PC, the thing you state devs are "abandon"ing.
PC gaming increasing? Epic disagrees.Analysts disagree. Everyone that's not a gigantic PC fanboy disagrees.
Like I said, as far as gaming goes, the PC will be completely unnecessary in the future.
Ignoring my post I see. I asked you to explain why MS is going back to the PC and give us more exclusives then you 360 owners got from them in the past 2 years?
I am actually more comfortable on my computer chair than sitting on a couch playing games. When im on a couch I keep moving forward and back because I feel I am not close enough to the screen or to close.
NanoMan88
this guy has it right.
sometimes I end up on the floor, sitting against the couch and looking at the TV, and my body isn't even facing the TV, just my head.
I never had that problem sitting at a PC, more stiff necks/backs, but still more comfortable.
[QUOTE="NanoMan88"]
I am actually more comfortable on my computer chair than sitting on a couch playing games. When im on a couch I keep moving forward and back because I feel I am not close enough to the screen or to close.
HavocV3
this guy has it right.
sometimes I end up on the floor, sitting against the couch and looking at the TV, and my body isn't even facing the TV, just my head.
I never had that problem sitting at a PC, more stiff necks/backs, but still more comfortable.
my main problem is mouse hand cramping during long sessions.
overall consoles are more confortable
PC gaming increasing? Epic disagrees.Analysts disagree. Everyone that's not a gigantic PC fanboy disagrees.
Like I said, as far as gaming goes, the PC will be completely unnecessary in the future.
TheMaryCeleste
Epic "disagreed" after their catastrophic failure that was UT3. In 2007.
Pacther gets bashed even by lemmings for saying bs that makes no sense...
Your point hasn't been brought forward by an inch, You're only proving that you don't know what you're saying.
PC gaming increasing? Epic disagrees.Analysts disagree. Everyone that's not a gigantic PC fanboy disagrees.
Like I said, as far as gaming goes, the PC will be completely unnecessary in the future.
TheMaryCeleste
Epic has moved away due to piracy, which has been an issue almost as long as the Personal Computer has been around. Your own article even states "Nevertheless, Capps emphasized that the studio had not abandoned the stalwart PC as a viable gaming platform." They still see the PC as being viable, even though they are expanding to consoles due to piracy.
Your second link quotes Pachter. He's usually wrong with everything he says.
PC gaming software sales went up 3% in 2009.
PC gaming market is larger in terms of installed userbase than all consoles combined. Estimated at 196 million "gaming PC's" were shipped since the release of the 360. Their lowest gaming PC's in the study consisted of GPU's which were stripped versions of higher-end cards. The 5770 was given as the example. Still very capable of gaming, and those numbers don't even include hobbyists who build their own rigs. Which is a growing market.
Steam is also recording fantastic growth, and states they saw a 25% increase in users in 2009. Up to 25 million. They also state that "we've seen corresponding growth in account numbers, concurrent player numbers and developer support for the platform."
The PC gaming market is also worth 11 billion worldwide.
If the market is growing and developer support is moving away, please explain why Microsoft is moving back to PC gaming (link). They're also releasing a high-end game in order to push graphics -- likely to push DX11 and their newer OS'.
Also, AMD has shipped over 16 million DX11 GPU's in three quarters. That's almost half of the PS3 or 360 userbase in a little under a year (link) -- "In just three quarters, AMD has shipped more than 16 million Microsoft DirectX 11-capable GPUs. The ATI Radeon™ HD 5000 series remains the industry's only complete top-to-bottom family of DirectX11-compatible graphics solutions."
[QUOTE="HavocV3"]
[QUOTE="NanoMan88"]
I am actually more comfortable on my computer chair than sitting on a couch playing games. When im on a couch I keep moving forward and back because I feel I am not close enough to the screen or to close.
markinthedark
this guy has it right.
sometimes I end up on the floor, sitting against the couch and looking at the TV, and my body isn't even facing the TV, just my head.
I never had that problem sitting at a PC, more stiff necks/backs, but still more comfortable.
my main problem is mouse hand cramping during long sessions.
overall consoles are more confortable
oh yeah, now that you mention it, I got that from playing MMOs....spam clicking does hurt after a while. you even resort to clicking the mousewhile because it doesn't hurt as much.
it's pretty sad lol.:P
[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]
PC gaming increasing? Epic disagrees.Analysts disagree. Everyone that's not a gigantic PC fanboy disagrees.
Like I said, as far as gaming goes, the PC will be completely unnecessary in the future.
lundy86_4
Epic has moved away due to piracy, which has been an issue almost as long as the Personal Computer has been around. Your own article even states "Nevertheless, Capps emphasized that the studio had not abandoned the stalwart PC as a viable gaming platform." They still see the PC as being viable, even though they are expanding to consoles due to piracy.
Your second link quotes Pachter. He's usually wrong with everything he says.
PC gaming software sales went up 3% in 2009.
PC gaming market is larger in terms of installed userbase than all consoles combined. Estimated at 196 million "gaming PC's" were shipped since the release of the 360. Their lowest gaming PC's in the study consisted of GPU's which were stripped versions of higher-end cards. The 5770 was given as the example. Still very capable of gaming, and those numbers don't even include hobbyists who build their own rigs. Which is a growing market.
Steam is also recording fantastic growth, and states they saw a 25% increase in users in 2009. Up to 25 million. They also state that "we've seen corresponding growth in account numbers, concurrent player numbers and developer support for the platform."
The PC gaming market is also worth 11 billion worldwide.
Seems like overkill:Pnot having to buy new hardware for 6 years. firmwares are faster and safer then windows. great exclusives that look great on old console hardware due to great optimization . tv + controller are more comfortable witch is standardon console. yes you can do it on pc but you have to go out your way . my hdtv wont work with my pc. it looks awful and some of the picture gets cut off .
PC gaming increasing? Epic disagrees.Analysts disagree. Everyone that's not a gigantic PC fanboy disagrees.
Like I said, as far as gaming goes, the PC will be completely unnecessary in the future.
TheMaryCeleste
yea sure ok:lol:
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Gaming PCs outsell all consoles combined twice over
The PC Gaming Alliance has announced some of the results of a giant research project which claims that more gaming-capable PCs were sold in 2009 than all consoles on the market (not including handhelds).
Indeed, PCs outsold home consoles at a ratio larger than 2-to-1 last year, with revenues totaling $54.6 billion. That brings their total number to 212.6 million worldwide. PCGA expects those numbers to reach $61.3 billion and 322 million in the next 5 years. For comparison's sake, there are currently 73 million Wiis, 41.7 million Xbox 360s, and 36.3 million PlayStation 3s out there.
What is a gaming-capable PC? According to them, they're the ones with a discrete graphics card, i.e. not netbooks or others with integrated GPUs. Here's most of the press release:
SAN RAMON, Calif. – August 2, 2010 – The PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA), a nonprofit corporation dedicated to driving the worldwide growth of PC gaming, today unveiled its Horizons Hardware research report, an exclusive research study encompassing major aspects of the PC gaming hardware industry worldwide.Among the key findings: Annual shipment volumes for the PC Gaming hardware market in 2009 were over two times larger than the combined Wii™, PlayStation® 2, PlayStation® 3 and Xbox 360® console units shipped in the same period. This trend for the PC Gaming hardware market to outpace all console shipments combined is expected to continue through the forecasted period of the research. In addition, revenues from consumer PCs capable of gaming that shipped with a discrete GPU (excludes Netbooks and integrated graphics-based PCs) totaled approximately $54.6 billion in 2009 and are forecasted to grow to $61.3 billion by 2014. These revenue figures are based on an estimated 61.5 million PCs (Desktop and Laptops) shipped in 2009 that can largely be associated with PC gaming as a key usage scenario.
The report also estimates the worldwide number of consumers gaming with discrete graphics solutions on their PCs (Desktop and Notebooks) to be 212.6 million for 2009 and expects this to grow to about 322 million by 2014. The report also includes detailed breakouts of various PC configurations (e.g. Basic, Mass Market, etc), by form factor and by geographic territory.
The Asia Pacific region continues to be the world's largest hardware gaming market with approximately 33% market share followed by Western Europe and the United States at 24% and 22% respectively. The rest of the world follows with 21.5%. Growth is expected to continue through 2014, largely driven by the Asia Pacific region.
"One of the biggest trends I'm seeing in the 2009 Horizon's hardware report indicates a strong demand for more capable mobile based systems by PC Gamers." said Matt Ployhar PCGA Research Committee Chairman. "PC Gamers are playing a central role in fueling healthier margins, and driving innovation in this space worldwide".
"PC gaming is the highest profile and most mature example of a new era of computing systems based on usage," said Richard Shim, research manager at IDC covering PCs. "These new usage-based systems are hardware configurations optimized for an improved user experience. Consumers are often willing to pay more for such an experience. In the case of gaming PCs, up to 25% more as compared to a mainstream system."
PCs Played More Than Any Console, Reports NPD
PCs are used for gaming more than any console and PlayStation 3 owners are more likely to have multiple consoles, according to the results of the Games Segmentation 2008 report from sales tracking and research firm The NPD Group.
In addition to stating that PlayStation 3 owners are most likely to have other "next-generation" consoles than Wii and Xbox 360 owners, NPD claimed that only 10% of PS2 owners have a PS3. In the realm of portables, 45% of PSP owners have a Nintendo DS, but only 21% of DS owners have a PSP.
Despite the broad declarations, NPD did not provide specific figures for console and PC playtime. Likewise, an exact breakdown showing the ownership patterns of those that have multiple "next-generation" consoles was absent from the release.
BioWare Says the PC is "Made For Games"
BioWare designer Daniel Erickson says the PC is "made for games" and that despite the never-ending predictions of its imminent demise, it's the "natural" platform for BioWare's RPGs.
"There was not a question when we started Old Republic - or any of our games, for that matter - [what the lead format would be]," he said. "There's a reason the lead SKU for Dragon Age was [PC] as well. When we're developing an RPG, it's a natural place to be."
PC Most Popular Format For Euro Gamers
Who's the most popular gaming format, eh? Who is? Who is? Is it you? Is it? Awwwww, yes, you ARE the most popular gaming format! You big, loveable thing you…
Oh, I'm sorry, you've caught me having a chat with my PC. Because my beautiful little boy is the most popular kid in school. According to an MCV report, as I've been saying for the last four hundred million years, the PC is by far the most popular means of playing games in the UK.
ELSPA and ISFE (Interactive Software Federation of Europe) have conducted a survey of British gamers that finds 33% of all sentient gaming humans are playing their chosen distractions on the big grey box.
Valve: Don't Believe The US Press, PC Gaming Is Alive And Well
in an interview with Good Game that slipped under the radar, Valve's business manager, Jason Holtman, said all the talk about PC gaming dieing because of some super-game console comes from "North America press looking at North American reports". "And North America retail reports don't have Europe in them, and they don't have online PCs on them, they don't have micro-transactions PCs in it. Steam has 20 million users right now and you've got figures like the Cartner Group tells us there's 260 million online PC gamers in the world
Valve: PC Gaming Alive and Well, But Developers Off Their Game
Valve's marketing vice president and frequent spokesman, Doug Lombardi, laughed off the idea that PC gaming is dying, but said other developers need to get with the program.
"I mean, I think, we sort of laugh at it," Lombardi said of increasingly high-pitched concerns over the viability of PC gaming in an interview with Shacknews.com
"Because we've been wildly successful - we're very fortunate, you know. Our games have all done really, really well, Steam has taken off and become this whole other business for us, Valve has never been in better shape - and yet everybody is talking about how in the PC world, the sky is falling," said Lombardi.
Lombardi pointed out that the sales data often cited to buttress claims of a dying PC industry do not include MMOG subscribers, Steam users, other customers of digital download services, or even other countries.
"NPD, god love 'em, they release a U.S. retail sales report, and people take that and say that's the world picture. And it's just not true...if people were looking at WoW's subscriptions alone and factoring it in, looking at Steam sales and factoring it in...Just look at what Popcap's doing - Bejeweled and Peggle and all this stuff - they're not in that NPD data."
Lombardi also said part of the brouhaha was effective PR by console makers and the absence of anything similar on the PC front.
"It is absolutely a perception problem. I mean one of the things that happens is - Microsoft has an army of PR people that work for Microsoft. They have at least two agencies that are additional armies. Nintendo I'm not as familiar with their PR outline, but I'm sure it's similar. Sony is similar. The PC has nobody," he said.
At the same time, Lombardi blasted developers for not taking accurate stock of what computers gamers have, and for aiming only at the high-end. He contrasted this with his own company, which conducts surveys twice a year to gauge the horsepower of gamers' computers.
"You know, it's hard to be able to have games that scale, and to write performance on the high end, and write performance on the bottom end, but you know, winning in any industry means some hard work, and there's a certain level of hard work that developers have to take responsibility for," he observed.
BioWare: PC gaming is in fine health
More PC players and more money being generated "than ever before"
The CEO of BioWare has told us that, contrary to numerous 'PC gaming is dying' claims, the sector's in fine health on a number of fronts.
I think there are more people playing PC games and more dollars being spent on the PC space than ever before, but it's taking a different form," Ray Muzyka said in a recent interview.
Study: PC Software Sales Up 3% To $13.1 Billion In 2009
The PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA), a non-profit PC gaming advocacy group, revealed a new research study indicating that PC gaming software revenues worldwide reached $13.1 billion in 2009, a 3 percent increase over the previous year.
That increase came in spite of decreased retail boxed sales for PC games, which suffered the "biggest downturn" out of all the sales categories PCGA tracked and now accounts for less than 20 percent of total software revenue for the year.
Digital distribution growth also largely offset losses in other PC gaming software categories. In its surveys of PC gamers in North America and Europe, the report found that 70 percent of respondents have purchased a full game online.
"The most notable trend in recent years has been the movement to digital distribution and payment for subscriptions, and the growing popularity with consumers of online games as a service," says PCGA president and Intel director Randy Stude.
Tales of PC gaming's death have been greatly exaggerated
The "death of PC gaming" has become reliable column and blog fodder for tech journalists. Perhaps it stems from lingering bitterness over time wasted editing Warcraft batch files in DOS 6.0. Regardless, you shouldn't take the idea seriously.
To prove it, we won't even lean on that most tempting pillar of PC gaming, the 12 million-strong World of Warcraft monthly subscription-paying player base. Instead we'll point to a report by Rock, Paper, Shotgun's Kieron Gillen from Britain's Develop 09 conference, specifically from a presentation on digital distribution.
Chart Track also estimated that digital distribution makes up 22 percent of the $13 billion global PC market, which boils down to $2.86 billion. If global digital distribution sales follow the same growth pattern that Chart Track projects for Steam for 2009, worldwide digital game sales will climb by $2.23 billion. That brings the global digital from from $2.86 billion in 2008 to almost $5.1 billion for 2009.
Now let's look at retail, in this case we'll use NPD's $701 million in U.S retail sales. Globally, Chart Track says PC retail sales represent 24 percent of the $13 billion pie, or $3.12 billion. That means NPD's $701 million figure represents approximately 23 percent of the worldwide retail market in 2008.
To recap our estimates for 2009:
* Global retail PC game sales: $2.37 billion (23% decrease)
* Global digital PC game sales: $5.09 billion (78% increase)
* Global in-game PC ad sales: $1.32 billion (26.8% increase)
* Global subscription and microtransactions: >$5.98 billion (unknown % increase)
* Total 2009 global PC game sales: $14.76 billion-plus (minimum 13.5% increase)
Sega: PC sales are stronger than reported
Growing digital sales mean that the charts don't tell the full PC games story
Publishing giant Sega has defended PC gaming, calling it a strong and vital market for the games industry.
Physical retail sales of PC games are continuing to slide in 2010, but Sega's UK MD John Clark says that isn't a fair representation of the market – with digital sales now accounting for a large proportion of revenue.
"The PC market is third in terms of its year-on-year performance with a decline of 26 per cent, but this doesn't really reflect the full picture," said Clark.
"The PC digital download business is now a viable sector but somewhat invisible as it's not yet covered by Chart-Track. The PC market overall is actually performing much better than is currently reported and remains a vital and strong sector to be involved in."
Sega was the second biggest UK PC publisher in 2009, with 12 per cent share of the market.
Meanwhile, year-to-date in 2010 the company has a 12.8 per cent share of the PC games sector. This was boosted by the strong performance last month of Aliens vs Predator, Napoleon: Total War, as well as continued sales of Football Manager 2010.
"Last month's PC chart illustrates Sega's position within this sector," added Clark.
"Napoleon: Total War, Football Manager 2010 and Aliens vs Predator are three different **** of game from three different genres. They can all drive a strong, community fan base with the ability to consistently deliver endless hours of gameplay. Incidentally, they are all developed in the UK.
"For 2009, Sega was ranked the second biggest PC publisher in the market. In 2010 year-to-date, we are once again ranked second. Long may it continue."
PC receives high-profile backing from EA
Whilst High Street sales of PC software can paint a picture of decline, the un-monitored online revenues coming from the format are drastically increasing – a fact that helped EA enjoy a strong performance on the format last year.
VG247 points out that EA released 32 PC games in its last fiscal year – far ahead of Xbox 360 (26), PS3 (23), DS (22), Wii (21), PS2 (14), PSP (8 ) and Xbox (1).
Revenues from EA's digital services hit $429m – up 27 per cent compared to the same period the year before.
"This is a big year for us [on PC]," said EA CFO Eric Brown. "The online part of our business is growing as much as 60 percent year over year.
"In terms of distribution, the way we look at a lot what's happening in the future is, we've got probably a billion PCs out there in the world. Very rapidly the PC is becoming the largest gaming platform in the world, just not in a packaged-good product."
Seems like overkill:P
Rougehunter
You better not go back and re-read then. I added some more about MS moving back to PC gaming, and the amount of DX11 GPU's AMD has shipped in 3 quarters... I figure I better put an end to this argument quickly. Like ripping off a band-aid :P
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lol at PCGA, yeah ok, and why do devs give more attention to consoles? Why? because more people play games on consoles than games, if you have a good processor and videocard all of a sudden you are considered a gamer, lol, unreal I dont know why all the multiplats sell better on the 360 and PS3, Dont get it lol, where is madden on the PC? lol
devious742he quotes Sega yet Sega starts a game like vanquish on the PC and then just leaves it for dead, lol PS3 360 wii are doing better than PC gaming I dont understand why people are so sensative about it, even MS which considers PC gaming apart of its division would say that console gaming is where its at to make money. PC gaming is very good but not realistic for most.
:roll:
lol at PCGA, yeah ok, and why do devs give more attention to consoles? Why? because more people play games on consoles than games, if you have a good processor and videocard all of a sudden you are considered a gamer, lol, unreal I dont know why all the multiplats sell better on the 360 and PS3, Dont get it lol, where is madden on the PC? lol
ProjectNatalFan
PCGA doesn't do the research themselves. They hire out a company to create a report. I believe they use JonPeddie.
Yup,you guys sure did!;)Arach666
A little overkill, but it's better than leaving the opposition with the sense that they can still win :P
:roll:
lol at PCGA, yeah ok, and why do devs give more attention to consoles? Why? because more people play games on consoles than games, if you have a good processor and videocard all of a sudden you are considered a gamer, lol, unreal I dont know why all the multiplats sell better on the 360 and PS3, Dont get it lol, where is madden on the PC? lol
ProjectNatalFan
Fable 3
New Microsoft Flight Simulator
New AoE
Kinect multiplatform
/thread
[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]
Serious or not? Console gaming is a lot bigger than PC gaming.
lundy86_4
Links would be nice. Plus it's funny that I didn't say the PC gaming market was larger than the console's. Just that the PC market is increasing in general.
I dont know anybody who pc games in my age group (im 21)...I actually dont know anybody that does but from what i can tell is older ppl are the pc gamers while the consoles tend to draw the attention of younger ppl....the younger kids will grow up playing consoles just like the pc gamers grew up playing pc...this will decrease pc sales and such over the years wouldnt it?
he quotes Sega yet Sega starts a game like vanquish on the PC and then just leaves it for dead, lol PS3 360 wii are doing better than PC gaming I dont understand why people are so sensative about it, even MS which considers PC gaming apart of its division would say that console gaming is where its at to make money. PC gaming is very good but not realistic for most.
ProjectNatalFan
If you can discount all of mine and Devious' points, then we'll take what you have said as truth. Unfortunately, it may take you a while.
Microsoft has recently moved back into PC gaming, and they would naturally earn more from the consoles due to their royalty fees.
Is that why MS is bringing Fable 3 to the PC? And Kinect? And doing a new AoE,new Fligth sim and a new "secret" graphics intense game all on the PC? And apparently even Reach is possible...he quotes Sega yet Sega starts a game like vanquish on the PC and then just leaves it for dead, lol PS3 360 wii are doing better than PC gaming I dont understand why people are so sensative about it, even MS which considers PC gaming apart of its division would say that console gaming is where its at to make money. PC gaming is very good but not realistic for most.
ProjectNatalFan
I was wondering where you were devious742.;)Arach666sorry took me a while to post it.. had a good laugh for a bit:D
[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]
:roll:
lol at PCGA, yeah ok, and why do devs give more attention to consoles? Why? because more people play games on consoles than games, if you have a good processor and videocard all of a sudden you are considered a gamer, lol, unreal I dont know why all the multiplats sell better on the 360 and PS3, Dont get it lol, where is madden on the PC? lol
N30F3N1X
Fable 3
New Microsoft Flight Simulator
New AoE
Kinect multiplatform
/thread
reach
Kinect starting with xbox 360
Gears of War 3
lol thanks man
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]
Serious or not? Console gaming is a lot bigger than PC gaming.
OfficerLeach_
Links would be nice. Plus it's funny that I didn't say the PC gaming market was larger than the console's. Just that the PC market is increasing in general.
I dont know anybody who pc games in my age group (im 21)...I actually dont know anybody that does but from what i can tell is older ppl are the pc gamers while the consoles tend to draw the attention of younger ppl....the younger kids will grow up playing consoles just like the pc gamers grew up playing pc...this will decrease pc sales and such over the years wouldnt it?
You bring anecdotes, and logic derived from your anecdotes to a MIGHTY LINK BATTLE!?
Proabably not a good idea.
[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]Is that why MS is bringing Fable 3 to the PC? And Kinect? And doing a new AoE,new Fligth sim and a new "secret" graphics intense game all on the PC? And apparently even Reach is possible...he quotes Sega yet Sega starts a game like vanquish on the PC and then just leaves it for dead, lol PS3 360 wii are doing better than PC gaming I dont understand why people are so sensative about it, even MS which considers PC gaming apart of its division would say that console gaming is where its at to make money. PC gaming is very good but not realistic for most.
Arach666
Pc gaming is not the money maker console gaming is, Pc gaming is not practical to most my friend, think what you may, I love pc gaming but its not on the same level as consoles.
[QUOTE="OfficerLeach_"]
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
Links would be nice. Plus it's funny that I didn't say the PC gaming market was larger than the console's. Just that the PC market is increasing in general.
lundy86_4
I dont know anybody who pc games in my age group (im 21)...I actually dont know anybody that does but from what i can tell is older ppl are the pc gamers while the consoles tend to draw the attention of younger ppl....the younger kids will grow up playing consoles just like the pc gamers grew up playing pc...this will decrease pc sales and such over the years wouldnt it?
You bring anecdotes, and logic derived from your anecdotes to a MIGHTY LINK BATTLE!?
Proabably not a good idea.
lol they can make all the GIFs, joke pictures all they want, it isnt gonna change the landscape of gaming today, I love PC gaming but to think that it gets the same attentions that consoles get from devs is comical, to think it sells more software than console gaming is comical, and in the end who cares, PC gaming is a niche community and is surviving but it isnt the beast that console gaming is.
lol they can make all the GIFs, joke pictures all they want, it isnt gonna change the landscape of gaming today, I love PC gaming but to think that it gets the same attentions that consoles get from devs is comical, to think it sells more software than console gaming is comical, and in the end who cares, PC gaming is a niche community and is surviving but it isnt the beast that console gaming is.
ProjectNatalFan
You're right, it doesn't get the same. It must get more, due to the sole fact that it has MORE exclusives.
When you discredit all mine and Devious' points, then we can talk. Until then you're doing the equivalent of spitting into a forest fire.
[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]
reach
Kinect starting with xbox 360
Gears of War 3
lol thanks man
N30F3N1X
That's all X360 gets this year.
I'm only talking about what PC is getting from MS alone.
"lol thanks man".
ok lol thanks man and Microsoft would agree with me and albeit all those games are apart of PC gaming division of MS which people on this forum wont recongize either. /thread im leaving and I feel vindicated.
[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]
lol they can make all the GIFs, joke pictures all they want, it isnt gonna change the landscape of gaming today, I love PC gaming but to think that it gets the same attentions that consoles get from devs is comical, to think it sells more software than console gaming is comical, and in the end who cares, PC gaming is a niche community and is surviving but it isnt the beast that console gaming is.
lundy86_4
Your right, it doesn't get the same. It must get more, due to the sole fact that it has MORE exclusives.
When you discredit all mine and Devious' points, then we can talk. Until then you're doing the equivalent of spitting into a forest fire.
lundy i love you man but its a moot point, pc gaming is awesome, pm me if you wanna play some games on steam ill give u my game tag.
lundy i love you man but its a moot point, pc gaming is awesome, pm me if you wanna play some games on steam ill give u my game tag.
ProjectNatalFan
How is it moot? It's only moot if it's open to debate. Until you discredit all the previous points, there is no debate to be had.
sorry took me a while to post it.. had a good laugh for a bit:D Yeah,the links you an lundy posted pretty much ended the thread,everything else trying to couter it after that is just irrelevant.:)[QUOTE="Arach666"]I was wondering where you were devious742.;)devious742
[QUOTE="devious742"]sorry took me a while to post it.. had a good laugh for a bit:D Yeah,the links you an lundy posted pretty much ended the thread,everything else trying to couter it after that is just irrelevant.:)[QUOTE="Arach666"]I was wondering where you were devious742.;)Arach666
PC still loses in hand cramping.
you're gonna have to give that up come day. I'll mediate that one until I die:P
Is that why MS is bringing Fable 3 to the PC? And Kinect? And doing a new AoE,new Fligth sim and a new "secret" graphics intense game all on the PC? And apparently even Reach is possible...[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]
he quotes Sega yet Sega starts a game like vanquish on the PC and then just leaves it for dead, lol PS3 360 wii are doing better than PC gaming I dont understand why people are so sensative about it, even MS which considers PC gaming apart of its division would say that console gaming is where its at to make money. PC gaming is very good but not realistic for most.
ProjectNatalFan
Pc gaming is not the money maker console gaming is, Pc gaming is not practical to most my friend, think what you may, I love pc gaming but its not on the same level as consoles.
Is that the reason why Microsoft is afraid to release a 360 and pc game at the same.. ever wonder why?remember... outside of the USA(USA =/= the world) PC gaming is far more popular
MGS Europe business boss Peter Zetterberg
"But in Germany for example, we want more gamers to buy our Xbox 360. If we launch a game that is on 360 and PC simultaneously, we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version - because they are more likely to buy that than spend their money on the Xbox 360.
"If we launched a Halo game on PC and 360 in Germany simultaneously, 80 per cent of sales would be on the PC,"
Link
But hey who the heck is he... hes just MGS Europe business boss Peter Zetterberg a nobody.. where as you.. you are a industry analyst:|
*edit* Btw hes not just talking about Germany..he is talking about outside of the USA in general
Yeah,the links you an lundy posted pretty much ended the thread,everything else trying to couter it after that is just irrelevant.:)[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="devious742"] sorry took me a while to post it.. had a good laugh for a bit:D
HavocV3
PC still loses in hand cramping.
you're gonna have to give that up come day. I'll mediate that one until I die:P
Well,I´ll admit that after some really,really long sessions it may cramp a bit,but in general I never have that issue.;)My hands are pretty used to it by now.:P
PC games scale. I can play the same games on my laptop, my current PC, and my old PC.... Upgrading to play games with max graphics settings is a choice, not a requirement. true, but i'd still have to upgrade eventually and, if i had the money, i'd choose to play on the maximum settings.[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]not having to worry about upgrades and system requirementsjuno84
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[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]
Serious or not? Console gaming is a lot bigger than PC gaming.
TheMaryCeleste
Links would be nice. Plus it's funny that I didn't say the PC gaming market was larger than the console's. Just that the PC market is increasing in general.
Links are not necessary. It's a common fact. PC games sell terribly compared to console games, and more and more developers will in the future focus on consoles.
We've seen Crysis 2 switching from being an exclusive, like the original, to being released on consoles. And we've seen the most anticipated game in the history of mankind (along with Halo 3 and GTA IV), Modern Warfare 2, sell terribly on the PC while its console sales make it one of the best-selling games of all time. And we've witnessed a lot more.
Aside from the nonsense you posted which was easily shot down by others. For the record, someone from Activision stated that Modern Warfare 2 actually sold MORE copies than Modern Warfare 1 on PC. So, selling more copies than the previous Modern Warfareis a failure? Granted that there was a supposed boycott by PC gamers for this game.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
Links would be nice. Plus it's funny that I didn't say the PC gaming market was larger than the console's. Just that the PC market is increasing in general.
Xtasy26
Links are not necessary. It's a common fact. PC games sell terribly compared to console games, and more and more developers will in the future focus on consoles.
We've seen Crysis 2 switching from being an exclusive, like the original, to being released on consoles. And we've seen the most anticipated game in the history of mankind (along with Halo 3 and GTA IV), Modern Warfare 2, sell terribly on the PC while its console sales make it one of the best-selling games of all time. And we've witnessed a lot more.
Aside from the nonsense you posted which was easily shot down by others. For the record, someone from Activision stated that Modern Warfare 2 actually sold MORE copies than Modern Warfare 1 on PC. So, selling more copies than the previous Modern Warfareis a failure? Granted that there was a supposed boycott by PC gamers for this game.
i hear the game was downloaded 4.5 million times on torrents and only solf 500,000 copies
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