So the major advantage of consoles over PC is you can lay on a couch and play?

i hear the game was downloaded 4.5 million times on torrents and only solf 500,000 copies

dontshackzmii

It was incredibly popular for piraters in terms of downloading. Naturally, 1 download does not equate to one lost sale.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

[QUOTE="TheMaryCeleste"]

Links are not necessary. It's a common fact. PC games sell terribly compared to console games, and more and more developers will in the future focus on consoles.

We've seen Crysis 2 switching from being an exclusive, like the original, to being released on consoles. And we've seen the most anticipated game in the history of mankind (along with Halo 3 and GTA IV), Modern Warfare 2, sell terribly on the PC while its console sales make it one of the best-selling games of all time. And we've witnessed a lot more.

dontshackzmii

Aside from the nonsense you posted which was easily shot down by others. For the record, someone from Activision stated that Modern Warfare 2 actually sold MORE copies than Modern Warfare 1 on PC. So, selling more copies than the previous Modern Warfareis a failure? Granted that there was a supposed boycott by PC gamers for this game.

i hear the game was downloaded 4.5 million times on torrents and only solf 500,000 copies

Well I do know that they sold more than Modern Warfare 1.Don't know the final tally though. Not to mention some PC Gamers boycotted it. I think it would have sold more if they had dedicated servers.

PC to Console arguments are pointless...console's are easier to deal with for the adverage person sense they function as as intended from the start...PCs take some work to get running, and picking the right components plays a part of that. When i can afford to build another PC i will do so, PC gaming is more of a hobby than console gaming so it isnt fair to compare the two.

To the OP: When did you start playing video games? If you missed out playing the console exclusive titles to systems like the NES, Genesis, SNES, SS, N64 when they were hitting the shelves, you'd know the answer to your question. I'll give you a hint: it starts with G and ends with AMES.

If you started playing in the 6th and 7th gen, when MMORPGs and FPSs came to the forefront and overall game-play in games declined sharply, then what you're trying to say makes more sense to me. Even if it is flame-bait.

NEStorianPriest

lol? I started playing games since the late 80´s and PC always had the best games imo

Well sitting on the couch, and the best games...

The one reason I always seem to see for choosing consoles over PC is that you can sit or lay on your couch and play, is that correct? If this isnt the major reason then what is?

swontario

People have been talking about the "death of PC games" for years and it still hasn't happened. Hell I'm sure when the Atari came out people were talking about the death of PC gaming. But most people around here are kids so they wouldn't know any better.

I like to lay around on the couch so I'm on the 360 or PS3 more then the PC.

One nice aspect of consoles compared to pc is that you don't get treated like an unwanted stepchild by developers. I would keep a pc in the living room if it was treated equally but it misses out on too many great games like Skate and Red Dead. It's also become accepted that developers can delay the pc version and I don't like waiting for a game that I really want to play. Then there is also no guarantee that the delayed pc version will be worth the wait as with GTAIV.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

sorry took me a while to post it.. had a good laugh for a bit:D

lundy86_4

BTW can you PM me that post? I'd save it, but I think you have had a couple of different ones.

Naturally, if used, I will credit you :P

Me too and will you have my babiez? :P Epic post dude..best I've seen in awhile.Heil68

Check his blog, it's all posted in there as it wouldn't fit in a PM :(

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Me too and will you have my babiez? :P Epic post dude..best I've seen in awhile.lundy86_4

Check his blog, it's all posted in there as it wouldn't fit in a PM :(

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Me too and will you have my babiez? :P Epic post dude..best I've seen in awhile.Heil68

Check his blog, it's all posted in there as it wouldn't fit in a PM :(

Thanks a lot. Fortunately I remembered quite a few of them, otherwise the debate may have gone on longer :P

They're pretty handy to have for "PC iz deadzorz" threads.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Me too and will you have my babiez? :P Epic post dude..best I've seen in awhile.lundy86_4

Check his blog, it's all posted in there as it wouldn't fit in a PM :(

The maximum allowed size for a message is 4096 characters. Your message is 17594 characters long. :o

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Me too and will you have my babiez? :P Epic post dude..best I've seen in awhile.devious742

Check his blog, it's all posted in there as it wouldn't fit in a PM :(

The maximum allowed size for a message is 4096 characters. Your message is 17594 characters long. :o

:lol:

That wasn't even coming close to fitting. Your post was too much awesome for GS to handle :P

One nice aspect of consoles compared to pc is that you don't get treated like an unwanted stepchild by developers.

dc337

You mean like Valve doesn´t seem to care about the console versions of their games,giving them almost no support whatsoever,unlike they do with the PC versions?

Maybe you mean Blizzard,one of the biggest developers in the world that doesn´t even look at the consoles?

Is that why Bioware is developing their most expensive game ever exclusively for the PC in a franchise that started as a console exclusive and now only PC gamers will be able to finish the story?

Perhaps you´re refering to Square Enix,wich is putting FFXIV on the PC at least 6 months before the console version?

Surely that´s why MS is developing a new AoE,a new fligth sim and a "secret" game that will push the graphics on the PC,while at the same time bringing Fable 3 and Kinect to the PC?

One nice aspect of consoles compared to pc is that you don't get treated like an unwanted stepchild by developers. I would keep a pc in the living room if it was treated equally but it misses out on too many great games like Skate and Red Dead. It's also become accepted that developers can delay the pc version and I don't like waiting for a game that I really want to play. Then there is also no guarantee that the delayed pc version will be worth the wait as with GTAIV.

dc337

If being treated like an unwanted stepchild by developers means still getting the most exclusives of any system, then... *shrug*

It does miss out on great games, much like the consoles miss out on great PC exclusives. That's the nature of the game and why people own multiple systems.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

my main problem is mouse hand cramping during long sessions.

overall consoles are more confortable

N30F3N1X

Lolwut?

I've had gaming sessions longer than your average day and never once felt hand cramping.

Same. Infact, I sit infront of my computer pretty much all day, (I do have real life friends, I'm just lazy > .>, and I've never experienced hand cramps. Maybe he should invest in a new mouse? :P

This is my current set up. Unfortunately, all the monitors at home are taken by other computers. So, I'm stuck with the old 32" 720p TV in the family room. I replayed Crysis and Warhead and finished both with this set up. Although I sat on the couch for a couple of levels, I felt more comfortable on the floor leaning on the couch. With RTS games, I just used the mouse on the couch surface. When surfing the web or doing most other PC functions, the wireless keyboard sat on my lap and the mouse on the couch.

I don't mind sitting on the floor. I've been to Japan several times and noticed most of the locals sat very close to the floor using legless floor chairs.

I'm on vacation for two weeks. So, I've been on the computer all day. No cramps.

Same. Infact, I sit infront of my computer pretty much all day, (I do have real life friends, I'm just lazy > .>, and I've never experienced hand cramps. Maybe he should invest in a new mouse? :P

WhenCicadasCry

As long as he doesn't have one of these[spoiler]


[/spoiler]

he should be fine.

Why is it so hard for console fanboys to realize that the PC has more high scoring exclusives, and more exclusives in general, then all consoles combined. :? Just think before you post, seriously. Less doesn't equal better. :lol: The PC has MORE dev support then all consoles combined.

Maybe you mean Blizzard,one of the biggest developers in the world that doesn´t even look at the consoles?Arach666

Blizzard doesn't make games that are playable from the couch. They are highly profitable but extremely slow when it comes to releasing anything not related to WoW. Very profitable but not a lot of releases.

Is that why Bioware is developing their most expensive game ever exclusively for the PC in a franchise that started as a console exclusive and now only PC gamers will be able to finish the story?Arach666

LOL you mean the Star Wars MMO that looks like a ps2 game? That is targeted at MMO addicts, not KOTOR fans. Anyone who played KOTOR on the xbox has a pc that will be able to play it. Anyone with a Mac will be able to play it as well.

Perhaps you´re refering to Square Enix,wich is putting FFXIV on the PC at least 6 months before the console version?Arach666

Another MMO. See a pattern here? Developers only treat the pc well when it comes to certain genres.

The one reason I always seem to see for choosing consoles over PC is that you can sit or lay on your couch and play, is that correct? If this isnt the major reason then what is?

swontario

I'm not going to read the 6 pages of responses. Or any. I am sure the PC clan told you that you can PC game on your TV. I am sure they mentioned free online, free DLC, mods, better graphics,cheaper prices and maybe a few more i missed.

Very profitable but not a lot of releases.

dc337

People plays Blizzard games for more time than you can play all your consoles combined.

I have over 12k hours on SC, and half of that between D2 and WC3. I'm totally hooked to SC2 and don't plan to drop it anytime soon.

Your point is moot.

Blizzard doesn't make games that are playable from the couch. They are highly profitable but extremely slow when it comes to releasing anything not related to WoW. Very profitable but not a lot of releases.

From the couch?What kind of sad excuse is that?:lol:

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Is that why Bioware is developing their most expensive game ever exclusively for the PC in a franchise that started as a console exclusive and now only PC gamers will be able to finish the story?dc337

LOL you mean the Star Wars MMO that looks like a ps2 game? That is targeted at MMO addicts, not KOTOR fans. Anyone who played KOTOR on the xbox has a pc that will be able to play it. Anyone with a Mac will be able to play it as well.

LOL,I mean the game that will finish the story of the kotor games,and the biggest Bioware project ever. The could have done a console version like SE did with FFXI and with FFXIV,but the didn´t even bothered with that...

Perhaps you´re refering to Square Enix,wich is putting FFXIV on the PC at least 6 months before the console version?Arach666

Another MMO. See a pattern here? Developers only treat the pc well when it comes to certain genres.

Just like they treat the console well when it comes to certain genres. It works both ways.

Also,I love that you didn´t even adressed to the points I made related to valve and MS.:lol:

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

To the OP: When did you start playing video games? If you missed out playing the console exclusive titles to systems like the NES, Genesis, SNES, SS, N64 when they were hitting the shelves, you'd know the answer to your question. I'll give you a hint: it starts with G and ends with AMES.

If you started playing in the 6th and 7th gen, when MMORPGs and FPSs came to the forefront and overall game-play in games declined sharply, then what you're trying to say makes more sense to me. Even if it is flame-bait.

ohthemanatee

lol? I started playing games since the late 80´s and PC always had the best games imo

lol at what? The fact that someone thinks consoles have a massive library of great games that are worth playing? Or that the PC caters primarily to the MMORPG and FPS crowd, which imo have seriously dumbed down and degenerated gaming in general? Take a look at the best selling games for PC. Out of their top10, the only games that aren't of the above genre are Sims and Myst.Consoles, on the other hand, give you diversity.So enjoy pew-pew-pewing kids on-line and immersing yourself inMMORPGs with no gameplay. Meanwhile, I'll be playing Demon's Souls, Valkyrie Chonicles, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5, Last Guardian AND pewing-pewing Helghans on my 7th gen console. I would mention Fallout 3 and Oblivion, but both of those games are failures, imo.

The one reason I always seem to see for choosing consoles over PC is that you can sit or lay on your couch and play, is that correct? If this isnt the major reason then what is?

swontario

Computer is hooked up to 32' inch HDTV, and I own a bunch of wireless xbox 360 controller along with a wireless adapter for my PC. :)

What I'm saying is...That's no reason.

PC caters primarly to mmo and the FPS crowd? am I to just suddenly forget the dozens of quality RTS, TBS and RPG's the PC got over the years? Heck, even adventure games have been making a comeback

Take a look at the best selling games for PC. Out of their top10, the only games that aren't of the above genre are Sims and MystNEStorianPriest

here is the PC's top 10 best selling games and their genres according to gamespot :

1 - The Sims (virtual life)

2 - The Sims 2 (virtual life)

3- WOW (mmo)

5 - Starcraft (RTS)

6 - Half Life (FPS)

7 - Half Life 2 (FPS)

8 - Guild Wars (MMO)

9 - Myst (Adventure)

10 - Sim City 3000 (city building)

so that's 7 genres

now let's look at the top 10 console games

1. Wii Play (party)
2. Nintendogs (virtual life)
3. Wii Fit (sports)
4. Mario Kart Wii (racing)
5. New Super Mario Bros. (platformer)
6. 'Pokémon Red and Blue (RPG)
7. Wii Sports Resort (sports)
8. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (edutainment)
9. Super Mario Bros. 3 (platformer)
10. Mario Kart DS (racing)

that's 8 genres, only one genre in difference

Consoles, on the other hand, give you diversity.NEStorianPriest

So enjoy pew-pew-pewing kids on-line and immersing yourself inMMORPGs with no gameplay. Meanwhile, I'll be playing Demon's Souls, Valkyrie Chonicles, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5, Last Guardian AND pewing-pewing Helghans on my 7th gen console. I would mention Fallout 3 and Oblivion, but both of those games are failures, imo.NEStorianPriest

enjoy your run of the mill shooters and your dying JRPG's and platformers, meanwhile i'll enjoy the system with the most genres and with the most AAA and AA exclusives

from your post it's so obvious you know nothing about PC gaming, PC gets the most games, the most genres, the most exclusives and free content, unlike your DLC

The one reason I always seem to see for choosing consoles over PC is that you can sit or lay on your couch and play, is that correct? If this isnt the major reason then what is?

swontario

One nice aspect of consoles compared to pc is that you don't get treated like an unwanted stepchild by developers. I would keep a pc in the living room if it was treated equally but it misses out on too many great games like Skate and Red Dead. It's also become accepted that developers can delay the pc version and I don't like waiting for a game that I really want to play. Then there is also no guarantee that the delayed pc version will be worth the wait as with GTAIV.

dc337

I get treated like an unwanted stepchild?

Hmm, tell me again who has the most exclusives?

Who has the most varied library of games out there?

Who gets the most free content, and updates from developers?

PC caters primarly to mmo and the FPS crowd?

Yes, now they do. These are their best selling genres.

am I to just suddenly forget the dozens of quality RTS, TBS and RPG's the PC got over the years? Heck, even adventure games have been making a comeback

I didn't say you should forget anything. You would see that if I read my post.

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

here is the PC's top 10 best selling games and their genres according to gamespot :

1 - The Sims (virtual life)

2 - The Sims 2 (virtual life)

3- WOW (mmo)

5 - Starcraft (RTS)

6 - Half Life (FPS)

7 - Half Life 2 (FPS)

8 - Guild Wars (MMO)

9 - Myst (Adventure)

10 - Sim City 3000 (city building)

You have to look at the individual console best sellers(Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, Sony, Neo Geo, Turbografix, Atari. Lumping them together is like saying a PC and a Mac are the same thing. For those of who who want a reference, here's the link with sales figures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

The PC'sgenres in it's top ten list for all time, vs. all the genre's representedby all of the top console games, for all time. The OP is referring to consoles in general (meaning all of them) vs PC. If he's only speaking about 7th gen consoles, there are still more genres represented.

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]Consoles, on the other hand, give you diversity.ohthemanatee

Consoles have them. But they are not as popular, and are overshadowed by other more popular genres.

So enjoy pew-pew-pewing kids on-line and immersing yourself inMMORPGs with no gameplay. Meanwhile, I'll be playing Demon's Souls, Valkyrie Chonicles, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5, Last Guardian AND pewing-pewing Helghans on my 7th gen console. I would mention Fallout 3 and Oblivion, but both of those games are failures, imo.NEStorianPriest

enjoy your run of the mill shooters and your dying JRPG's and platformers, meanwhile i'll enjoy the system with the most genres and with the most AAA and AA exclusives

Who says console shooters are run of the mill? Reviews for console many console shooters, including the one I mentioned above, are excellent, not to mention challenging.Have you tried finishing KZ2 on Elite like I did? Take Halo, for instance, where you can almost pull off a HS blindfolded. Also, Platformers and JRPGs aren't going anywhere. Nintendo, Naughty Dog and Insomnia have put out some great platformers this generation. Ar Tonelico 3 and Valkyria Chronicles 2, not to mention White Knight Chronicles 2 and undoubtedly more Tales games are on the way. And I will enjoy them.

from your post it's so obvious you know nothing about PC gaming, PC gets the most games, the most genres, the most exclusives and free content, unlike your DLC

Actually, I know a decent amount about PC gaming, since I've done some PC gaming. Do I know a lot about recent PC gaming. A little. But I don't play many PC games these days because the games available just aren't worth spending the money on a quality rig on which to play them.

PC caters primarly to mmo and the FPS crowd?

Yes, now they do. These are their best selling genres.NEStorianPriest

Starcraft is an RTS and it's the PC's top selling game of 2010 :|

and the sims 3 was the best selling PC game of 2009

neither of them are shooters or MMO's

I didn't say you should forget anything. You would see that if I read my post.NEStorianPriest

enjoy your run of the mill shooters and your dying JRPG's and platformers, meanwhile i'll enjoy the system with the most genres and with the most AAA and AA exclusives

Also, thanks for pointing out to me that the PC has no AAAA titles, while the PS3 has 2 (1 exclusive). Also, the PS3 has more games with a rating of 9 or higher than PC, and more genres are represented.

BTW, I don't sit on the couch when I playmy consoles, so for me it's certainly not a reason.

Also, thanks for pointing out to me that the PC has no AAAA titles, while the PS3 has 2 (1 exclusive). Also, the PS3 has more games with a rating of 9 or higher than PC, and more genres are represented.NEStorianPriest

and part of the reason for that is due to the fact that PC has higher standards, or haven't you noticed that GTA scored lower on the PC despite the fact that the game actually has better graphics on the PC?

also, the PS3 has ONE more AAA tittle, then the PC, while the PC has about 30 more AA titles :lol:

BTW, I don't sit on the couch when I playmy consoles, so for me it's certainly not a reason.

NEStorianPriest

huh?

It's simply more enjoyable. Not to mention that the majority of the PC games are trash, and the fact that PC gaming is becoming less and less significant as time goes by.

TheMaryCeleste

not read much of this thread

i sit in my pc chair when playing my ps3 quite a lot although i like to chill out and lye in my bed and play it half the time, but all i have to do to get my pc on the same tv is to go in to ati catlyst software for my graphics card click duplicate on my monitor then use my tv controller to select hdmi 2, and plug a nice wired 360 controller into a usb slot on the front of my pc case, then i start a game and lay down on my bed watching my pc on my tv, its really simple to do and looks a lot better to boot.

some games even automatically lower their resolution to 1920x1080 then the next time i start them on monitor only their back to my 1920x1200 setting :)

justcause 2 and dirt 2 do that and i use a pad and sit in chair or lay down on bed and play them on my tv all maxed out :)

did i mention my lcd hdtv 32 inch and ps3 cost a bit more than my quadcore pc with 4 gig ddr3 and a 24 inch lcd monitor oh i forgot consoles are cheaper right?

Actually consoles are better because when you game on a PC it means you're fat and have no friends or social life. Consoles on the other hand are for the cool kids. [spoiler] jk :P but I know some insecure hermit is gonna flame me [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

Also, thanks for pointing out to me that the PC has no AAAA titles, while the PS3 has 2 (1 exclusive). Also, the PS3 has more games with a rating of 9 or higher than PC, and more genres are represented.ohthemanatee

and part of the reason for that is due to the fact that PC has higher standards, or haven't you noticed that GTA scored lower on the PC despite the fact that the game actually has better graphics on the PC?

The mysterious "higher standards" argument. A game is a game is a game. It's either stellar or its not. Crysis looks like your watching a movie instead of playing a game, yet Uncharted 2 got the same score. SO what does that tell you about Uncharted 2? Maybe that its not all about performance and that gameplay and other elements are what really counts. Graphics are jsut window dressing.

also, the PS3 has ONE more AAA tittle, then the PC, whioe the PC has about 30 more AA titles :lol:

That's funny. A minute ago you made a big deal about it.

BTW, I don't sit on the couch when I playmy consoles, so for me it's certainly not a reason.

NEStorianPriest

huh?

Remember the OP? He's askingif sitting on the couch is a reason to play consoles instead of PC. I'm saying its not.

I sit on the floor because I have a 1 year old who tried pulling up on my speakers stands. Took them down and put them on the floor so they won't fall on him. (6 1/2 inch drivers, so they're really heavy). Just a temporary solution but I like being on axis when sound is coming through my speakers.

Actually consoles are better because when you game on a PC it means you're fat and have no friends or social life. Consoles on the other hand are for the cool kids...... but I know some insecure hermit is gonna flame me

ujjval16

You're just as geeky and nerdy as any of us. Any coolness you may feel is all in your mind.:lol: Don't try to separate yourself from your peers.

The one reason I always seem to see for choosing consoles over PC is that you can sit or lay on your couch and play, is that correct? If this isnt the major reason then what is?

swontario

[QUOTE="ujjval16"]

Actually consoles are better because when you game on a PC it means you're fat and have no friends or social life. Consoles on the other hand are for the cool kids...... but I know some insecure hermit is gonna flame me

jun_aka_pekto

You're just as geeky and nerdy as any of us. Any coolness you may feel is all in your mind.:lol: Don't try to separate yourself from your peers.

lol aye i seen that it was an aswesome post :)

quick hide hermits that dont read are about to attack or ones with broken sarcasm detectors :P

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="ujjval16"]

Actually consoles are better because when you game on a PC it means you're fat and have no friends or social life. Consoles on the other hand are for the cool kids...... but I know some insecure hermit is gonna flame me

ujjval16

You're just as geeky and nerdy as any of us. Any coolness you may feel is all in your mind.:lol: Don't try to separate yourself from your peers.

Oh baloney. I'm joking too. That's why I have the smiley....you know, this :lol: Besides, why would I insult myself as well?

Now, I had an earlier response at a different thread with a post similar to yours. It was a bit more more negative because, I just got done dealing with two nephews who were in a heated argument about games while eating supper.

[QUOTE="ujjval16"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

You're just as geeky and nerdy as any of us. Any coolness you may feel is all in your mind.:lol: Don't try to separate yourself from your peers.

jun_aka_pekto

Oh baloney. I'm joking too. That's why I have the smiley....you know, this :lol: Besides, why would I insult myself as well?

Now, I had an earlier response at a different thread with a post similar to yours. It was a bit more more negative because, I just got done dealing with two nephews who were in a heated argument about games while eating supper.

im still waiting on a console user to say but you have to plug in the xbox 360 controller to a usb slot in front of your pc......

oh wait wouldnt i have to do that with an actual xbox any way? i also have to do that to charge my ps3 controllers oh noes pc gaming is too complicated.

im still waiting on a console user to say but you have to plug in the xbox 360 controller to a usb slot in front of your pc......

oh wait wouldnt i have tio do that with an actual xbox any way?

Yrkoon99

[QUOTE="Yrkoon99"]

im still waiting on a console user to say but you have to plug in the xbox 360 controller to a usb slot in front of your pc......

oh wait wouldnt i have tio do that with an actual xbox any way?

ujjval16

yeh though wireless is pretty rubbish for gaming though and i would like a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and there is wireless xbox pads for pc's although im impressed with the length of the wired 360 controller, it has the longest wire ever :)

untill i get blue tooth keyboards and mice ill settle for my wired g11 keybaord and mx518 mouse along with a wired xbox controller and force feedback joystick :)

rumble on pads has nothing against a stick that actually moves against you, pity my old old force feedback steering wheel and pedals dont work on win7 or vista and were that old had trouble working on xp a vibrating wheel while using pedals and the wheel going against you nothing compares cept the force feedback stick that does the same :)