So the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?

The PS3 is the more powerful when they build a game from the ground up using the cell architecture, right?

Yup PS3 is far more powerful.sethman410

[QUOTE="sethman410"]Yup PS3 is far more powerful.brandontwb

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[QUOTE="sethman410"]Yup PS3 is far more powerful.Floppy_Jim

NO crysis 2 and RAGE are the best looking console games and they run better on the 360Nisim19

From everything I have read the 360 should be able to produce better graphics due to its graphics card and RAM. The PS3 currently has the best looking games though. Will have to wait and see what games come out in the future.

The PS3 is 5-10% more powerful than the 360 if properly optimized for.

So in theory, yes.

In practice, no.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]FAR more powerful? I thought it was only a bit.

brandontwb

[QUOTE="brandontwb"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Correct, only slightly more powerful. Well, "far more" powerful is a stretch anyway.Floppy_Jim

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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]But multiplatform games only perform worse because it's complicated to develop for and so devs just lower the resolution and AA right? I saw a list of PS3/Xbox 360 games and the multiplats were either the same (rare) or worse.brandontwb

The PS3 is so much more powerful thats why 90% of multi-plats look better on it... oh wait! lol

[QUOTE="brandontwb"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Something like that. Although when mulitplats lead on the PS3, they're as close to 100% identical as you can get. (Barring Ghostbusters, dunno WTF happened there)

Floppy_Jim

The PS3 is the more powerful when they build a game from the ground up using the cell architecture, right?

brandontwb

This must be the time of day sony fanboys flock to the forums.

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The PS3 is the more powerful when they build a game from the ground up using the cell architecture, right?

darthogre

If you have both systems and are getting deadspace get the 360 version. The ps3 one has some weird banding issues with shadows.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]So what games were led on the PS3? Was bad company or burnout paradise? Those games had the same resolutions. brandontwb

If you wannna find out which is more powerful just make a post on the B3D forums.
Of course your answer will probably that they're equal, but different.

2006 all over again?

No its not. Both are tecnically very similar like lots of games have been proving...

NO crysis 2 and RAGE are the best looking console games and they run better on the 360Nisim19

Some specs w/ the ps3 are higher than the 360, but it's really chump change when developing gaming software. Due to the ps3 using inefficient/abnormal hardware/software/api's though it means you have few people that are good with the ps3, and you end up spending much more time to get the same result.

As for building from the ground up on the ps3. Basically it's easier to "port" from the ps3 to the 360 than it is to port from the 360 to the ps3. If you port from the 360 to the ps3 you're almost rebuilding the game anyway since you'll have to reprogram a ton of stuff so it works on the ps3.

Hypothetically let's say you have 2 equal development teams. A ps3 team, and a 360 team both of which are going to make the same game from the ground up separately. They have 2 years to develop the game, and 20 million in funding. I can tell you that the 360 version will most likely be better.

Now hypothetically if you gave the ps3 more time, and more money they "might" be able to do slightly better, but it's not a difference worth the extra costs and time.

Some specs w/ the ps3 are higher than the 360, but it's really chump change when developing gaming software. Due to the ps3 using inefficient/abnormal hardware/software/api's though it means you have few people that are good with the ps3, and you end up spending much more time to get the same result.

As for building from the ground up on the ps3. Basically it's easier to "port" from the ps3 to the 360 than it is to port from the 360 to the ps3. If you port from the 360 to the ps3 you're almost rebuilding the game anyway since you'll have to reprogram a ton of stuff so it works on the ps3.

Hypothetically let's say you have 2 equal development teams. A ps3 team, and a 360 team both of which are going to make the same game from the ground up separately. They have 2 years to develop the game, and 20 million in funding. I can tell you that the 360 version will most likely be better.

Now hypothetically if you gave the ps3 more time, and more money they "might" be able to do slightly better, but it's not a difference worth the extra costs and time.

jrhawk42

The PS3 is the more powerful when they build a game from the ground up using the cell architecture, right?

brandontwb

Yup PS3 is far more powerful.sethman410

From everything I have read the 360 should be able to produce better graphics due to its graphics card and RAM. The PS3 currently has the best looking games though. Will have to wait and see what games come out in the future.sleepingzzz

Now I'm unsure if I want to support a system that's harder on developers.brandontwb

Save the Developers, not the stupid Whales!

I'm sure you didn't buy a PS2, since that was an even larger hardship on the developers. Those Developers are being overworked, and I refuse to buy games that make them sweat to hard.

You would think that companies would treat them better, but these guys make games in sweatshops some where in Cambodia, with no AC, and only one meal, and 3 water breaks.

Save the developers!

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Now I'm unsure if I want to support a system that's harder on developers.SolidTy

Save the Developers, not the stupid Whales!

I'm sure you didn't buy a PS2, since that was an even larger hardship on the developers. Those Developers are being overworked, and I refuse to buy games that make them sweat to hard.

You would think that companies would treat them better, but these guys make games in sweatshops some where in Cambodia, with no AC, and only one meal, and 3 water breaks.

Save the developers!

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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Now I'm unsure if I want to support a system that's harder on developers.brandontwb

Save the Developers, not the stupid Whales!

I'm sure you didn't buy a PS2, since that was an even larger hardship on the developers. Those Developers are being overworked, and I refuse to buy games that make them sweat to hard.

You would think that companies would treat them better, but these guys make games in sweatshops some where in Cambodia, with no AC, and only one meal, and 3 water breaks.

Save the developers!

The PS2 was even more complicated for no reason.

The PS2 was FAR MORE Ridiculous than the PS3, with no GPU at all, and coding all having to be done on a CPU by scratch.

While I was joking with my stupi comment, you weren't. LOOKING AT BOTH COMMENTS, I fail to see which was truly the, *ahem* , stupi comment.

Did you buy a PS2?

Apparently 360 has better GPU and memory-wise, the OS is also better and so its the development environment, the PS3 has more processing power, now which is more powerful from that... Let's see now, the endless debate but it can be proven which console is actually more powerful even though they're so alike it wouldn't matter let alone be worth all the research into actually proving it. However anyone who tells you which is really more powerful is guessing blindly and stupidly. Even when devs speak, they're guessing. A computer engineer could provide pages and pages of numbers and benchmarks of pushing polygons and watching the cycles, measuring and doing mathematical formulas to calculate which console overall is able to push more polygons on screen given the best coding practices and taking advantage of the hardware features to the max, then an answer could be achieved, otherwise it's all bs.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Now I'm unsure if I want to support a system that's harder on developers.SolidTy

Save the Developers, not the stupid Whales!

I'm sure you didn't buy a PS2, since that was an even larger hardship on the developers. Those Developers are being overworked, and I refuse to buy games that make them sweat to hard.

You would think that companies would treat them better, but these guys make games in sweatshops some where in Cambodia, with no AC, and only one meal, and 3 water breaks.

Save the developers!

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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Now I'm unsure if I want to support a system that's harder on developers.themyth01

Save the Developers, not the stupid Whales!

I'm sure you didn't buy a PS2, since that was an even larger hardship on the developers. Those Developers are being overworked, and I refuse to buy games that make them sweat to hard.

You would think that companies would treat them better, but these guys make games in sweatshops some where in Cambodia, with no AC, and only one meal, and 3 water breaks.

Save the developers!

Yeah, and that was a fine debate in 2005, but in 2009, we are already past hypotheticals for this generation.Quite frankly the developers aren't working as hard as they were pre PS3 and early PS3, tools are out simplifiying things, most devs are on their second game re-using old assets and engines.

We both know this, the guy above, he doesn't but he wants to make a point, so I'm trying to let him.

I am not going to defend sloppy design, or Sony's decision, I'm not them, because we are well past that stage in the console lifecycle.

Pretty much... yea But mostly its on the developers part how good a game looks.Ringx55

Well I guess it will take more than 3 years to clear the Sony BS from fanboys heads.:(

[QUOTE="Nisim19"]NO crysis 2 and RAGE are the best looking console games and they run better on the 36012345678ew

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]From everything I have read the 360 should be able to produce better graphics due to its graphics card and RAM. The PS3 currently has the best looking games though. Will have to wait and see what games come out in the future.Twig978

[QUOTE="12345678ew"][QUOTE="Nisim19"]NO crysis 2 and RAGE are the best looking console games and they run better on the 360vaderhater

Yes, when developers use the Cell structure the way it was supposed to be done, by integrating it with the GPU, it does lead to better results. However, on multiplats developers seldom do this so the games will look slightly better on the 360.

[QUOTE="sethman410"]Yup PS3 is far more powerful.XanderZane

The PS3 architecture the CELL and 7 SPEs = more calculating power the the 3 processor architecture of the 360.